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BlatantConservative 6 hs ago

bioRxiv is receiving many new papers on coronavirus SARS-CoV-2. A reminder: these are preliminary reports that have not been peer-reviewed. They should not be regarded as conclusive, guide clinical practice/health-related behavior, or be reported in news media as established information.

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inmyhead7 6 hs ago

Before everyone freaks out, the vaccine is most likely to still work. If needed, the mRNA vaccine can be updated to accommodate this new strain.

In the meantime, we need to shut this virus down quick with a global response. No more rampant infections which lead to mutations like this

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dignified_fish 5 hs ago

I continue to feel like the only way to stop this shit is a complete shutdown not unlike what new zealand did. But im just a carpenter.

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inmyhead7 17 mins ago

Jesus??

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PanikLIji 6 hs ago

That's not ideal.

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metallifuknca 6 hs ago

Thanks China

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macazinc 6 hs ago

While not directly related to covid, this might be useful for people to take a look at before freaking out over the results in this preprint:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-020-01278-5

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XoFoX1995 7 hs ago

What dose that mean? because there is no solid evidence that even the guy who is inflected with the first version is immune to same version for so long and reinfection is inevitable. So just gotta live the life just differently for sometime and wear mask and social distance for a year and so.

Don't die from just bad news, because thats whats killing us not the real covid. Stay positive, love.

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Mhra123 7 hs ago

Oh, shit. This is the worst possible news. Was about to go to sleep goddamit.

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the-player-of-games 7 hs ago

Actual abstract of the paper

SARS-CoV-2 501Y.V2, a novel lineage of the coronavirus causing COVID-19, contains multiple mutations within two immunodominant domains of the spike protein. Here we show that this lineage exhibits complete escape from three classes of therapeutically relevant monoclonal antibodies. Furthermore 501Y.V2 shows substantial or complete escape from neutralizing antibodies in COVID-19 convalescent plasma. These data highlight the prospect of reinfection with antigenically distinct variants and may foreshadow reduced efficacy of current spike-based vaccines.

OP needs to stop editorializing titles for clickbait

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chovybizzasser 7 hs ago

the globalists are evolving!

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collegemathchef Yesterday

The vaccine elicits a polyclonal response, and there are other things like t and B cells involved. Vaccine will almost certainly still be okay

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TacoDog420 Yesterday

Definitely seems to be the case based on https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.15.426911v1. Looks like current antibody therapies may be in trouble, but current vaccines will be okay for a while.

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collegemathchef 11 hs ago

Yeah that seems to be it. Seems like the vaccines will be our last gate, but it's not infinitely strong. Let us pray that we can at least make it to 2022 before a new variant blows it open

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Mob_Nice Yesterday

This is bad, but not the end of the world. Just want to calm some peoples nerves.

At worst this variant could reduce the vaccines efficacy, but it's unlikely it would be able to evade it all together.
The mRNA vaccines can be updated in as little as six weeks and probably wouldn't need fully fledged trials again like they've already had.
Despite this evidence there hasn't been a noticeable spike in re-infections (correct me if I'm wrong) which is a good sign.

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bacharama 49 mins ago

In the event that the mRNA vaccines are quickly updated, what happens to the millions who have already received a vaccine by that point? Do they have to go back on a two-dose regimen, thus starting the whole vaccine process over again for the populace at large?

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Udjebfk Yesterday

What about the other vaccines? Can they be updated?

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Mob_Nice Yesterday

Yes but not as quickly. One of the benefits of mRNA. I have no idea how long it would take AstraZeneca or J&J to update theirs.

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MrDataSharp Yesterday

“While antibody effector functions elicited by infection and vaccination have been implicated in protecting from reinfection and disease 35, 36, the role of non-neutralizing antibodies and the efficacy of T cell responses to 501Y.V2 remain to be elucidated. Ultimately, the correlates of protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection and severe COVID-19 disease remain undetermined and rely upon ongoing large-scale clinical trials.”

The immune system extends beyond neutralizing antibodies. This is bad news, but we don’t know what it will mean in clinical reality.

New monoclonal therapies can be developed. New vaccines can and are being developed. Let’s have some faith.

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DNAhelicase Yesterday

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P-Taters Yesterday

December 50th, 2020.

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Mob_Nice Yesterday

this joke wasn't funny the 1000 times i heard it before.

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wotantx Yesterday

March 4018, 2020.

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GallantIce Yesterday

Yes, [preliminary], [need much more data], [T cells], [vaccines different], [etc].

But irrespective of all this, I find this very concerning (combined with the epi data, convergent evolution, etc). RBD and NTD mutations & deletions.

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NotAnotherEmpire 7 hs ago

"Escapes" is the correct word in this paper << "When these same samples were assessed against the 501Y.V2 virus, nearly half (21 of 44, 48%) had no detectable neutralization activity, with only three samples (7%) retaining titresof ID50>400 (Fig.2a-right). Notably, all three of these samples were obtainedfrom individuals reporting severe disease who had some of the highest neutralization titres against the original virus. To define the location of dominant escape mutations, neutralization was also assessed against the RBD chimeric viral construct containing only three 501Y.V2 mutations (K417N, E484K, N501Y) (Fig.2a-middle). Asubstantial loss of neutralization wasalsoobserved against the RBD-only mutant, with 27% of the samples losing all activity against the RBD triple mutants, while only 23% retained higher titres of ID50>400. These data provide more evidence forthe dominance of Class 1 and Class 2 neutralizing antibodies in polyclonal sera. However, the differences in neutralization betweenthe RBD-only chimera and 501Y.V2 also highlight the contribution of 501Y.V2 NTD mutations (L18F, D80A, D215G, and Δ242-244) to neutralization escape. This was particularly evident in the higher titresamples, which retained an average titre of ID50680 against the RBD-only mutant. << My comment: The NTD mutation appears to be beneficial to escape. That the total package in a (very viable, wild) virus does this is a much bigger deal than "E484K mutarion may mean reduced neutralizing activity." Lower titers - correlating to the large majority of SARS-CoV-2 infections in a representative population - didn't work at all on the variant. This thing has evolved to be evasive against a human immune response. It's not merely more infectious - although it appears to be as well from other assessments and has N501Y - it can dodge antibodies created fighting what had been the virus in the first wave.

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helembad 5 hs ago

The presence (or lack) of antibodies is far from being the only indicator of immunity. We already know that antibody may decay after a few months, and that could imply the potential for reinfection in some people.

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einar77 PhD - Molecular Medicine Yesterday

At this point, it's time for experiments in animals, I'd say. We can stay all day wondering if neutralization works or not, if it correlates with protection or not, but given the complexity of the whole thing, challenge experiments are a must. EDIT: Figure 2A with regards to neutralization activity shows a (by eye) lower presence of escape sera in patients which had high neutralizing activity against the wild type variant. This may be as well a random effect but in my opinion needs to be evaluated more. It looks (one would need more samples and a proper statistical test) that the lower the original titer, the higher the chance of escape. At this point, I wonder if vaccines, which elicit a far stronger immune response, would be able to withstand the change. Of course, this is all speculation because the relationship titer - protection is unknown.

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smoothvibe 4 hs ago

Why animals? The UK already had planned to do voluntary challenge experiments with humans. With other animals we still won't have a complete picture.

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einar77 PhD - Molecular Medicine 4 hs ago

Because animals are for sure easier to handle and might still give some important information. I'm not sure when and if challenge experiments will start.

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ohsnapitsnathan Neuroscientist 5 hs ago

The other thing we can look at is how it's behaving in a real human population, which can give us a better sense of how it interacts with the whole immune system. Unfortunately there's not a whole lot of data on this yet but what there is suggests that it can escape immunity in some, but not all people with a previous infection. >[Assuming complete cross-protection, we estimate 501Y.V2 is 1.50 (95% CrI: 1.20-2.13) times as transmissible as previously circulating variants. Assuming instead that 501Y.V2 is identically transmissible, the new variant evades 21% (95% CrI: 11-36%) of previously acquired immunity. Reality may lie between these extremes, with an intermediate increase in transmissibility and mildly imperfect cross-protection from past exposure. Though our analysis does not identify where on this spectrum 501Y.V2 lies, the entire range has serious public health consequences.](https://cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/sa-novel-variant.html)

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einar77 PhD - Molecular Medicine 4 hs ago

For natural immunity, it is likely that some reinfections (with unknown severity at this point) might happen, although I'd love if we eventually found some biological data to justify why that happens. However at this point my main concern is with vaccine-mediated immunity.

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MineToDine 7 hs ago

When I compare the RBD column with the vaccine neutralization graphs for same (in the other paper) it looks to me that vaccine serum is more consistent. For the same changes in the RBD the neutralization drop is less significant in the vaccinees than in convalescents. That said, I think we might need a multivalent approach to vaccines in the not too distant future.

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einar77 PhD - Molecular Medicine 7 hs ago

That's a given: relieving results are also no excuse to be complacent and not keep an eye on variants. More countries need to ramp up surveillance so that we know in advance the problematic variants, and we can mount a defense before things get out of hand. That said, I'm hopeful that such changes in vaccines will happen *after* we're out of this mess.

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dankhorse25 11 hs ago

It all comes down to how many different classes of neutralizing antibodies someone elicits. The more the better. Edit. There is an issue with animals because the human Fc part is not working on most animals, although I think it works in some NHP.

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the_timboslice Yesterday

Would these mutations make this variant more infectious but less severe by any chance?

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DJTHatesPuertoRicans Yesterday

Worse, this initial data indicates that if you had run of the mill COVID-19 and recovered from it your immune system wouldn't recognize this new strain allowing you to be reinfected. Potentially, this could mean the vaccines wouldn't be effective against it as well. That's the real danger in letting a disease spread unchecked, each host gives it a small chance to evolve new characteristics. Give it enough hosts and not even people in Madagascar are safe.

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UFOThrowaway88 8 hs ago

Read another thread just posted here in COVID19, can’t link it, however it appears the vaccines although slightly less effective provide sterilizing immunity against this strain and the UK one as well

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88---88 5 hs ago

This is absolutely baseless speculation. Without lockdown, any virus has increased opportunities to mutate. Brazil, Nigeria, and the UK didn't have severe lockdowns at the time and still have ended up with more virulent mutations.

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Blightking 10 hs ago

I really hate this take. There’s always selective pressure for a virus to become more infectious. Lockdowns couldn't matter less here.

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IMDbRefugee 9 hs ago

You're welcome! ;-)

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einar77 PhD - Molecular Medicine Yesterday

> Potentially, this could mean the vaccines wouldn't be effective against it as well. Which does not seem to be the case. See the other preprint posted in this sub.

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boooooooooo_cowboys 5 hs ago

What are you talking about? The paper that you linked to below looked at a different variant than this one is. And they still saw a reduction in the degree of neutralization.

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darth_tonic 3 hs ago

“However, activity against SARS-CoV-2 variants encoding E484K or N501Y or the K417N:E484K:N501Y combination was reduced by a small but significant margin.” The paper directly mentions the E484k mutation, which is of most concern unless I’m mistaken. It sounds like efficacy may take a small hit (though again, immunity is more than just neutralizing antibodies), but we’re not yet looking at an escape scenario. Unless the NTD deletion is the key determinant... but that would be baseless speculation on my end.

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einar77 PhD - Molecular Medicine 5 hs ago

A reduction is not escape, though. And from my reading of this preprint and the other one, the main difference in that other preprint (aside the fact that they were using vaccinated sera there and here we have convalescent sera) is the lack of the deletion in the NTD. The other key mutations (in the spike) are there as far as I can see. But soon we'll know for sure.

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Evan_Th Yesterday

Which preprint? I’m probably not recognizing the title.

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einar77 PhD - Molecular Medicine Yesterday

It's https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.15.426911v1

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woohalladoobop 1 h ago

what am i missing here? my reading of the abstract is that 14 of 17 existing mABs do not effectively neutralize the mutated virus, which seems bad!

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CloudWallace81 9 hs ago

I can already guess which of the two pre-prints will be largely covered by the general media and twitter...

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Evan_Th 11 hs ago

Thank you! I'm greatly relieved.

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boooooooooo_cowboys 5 hs ago

That paper isn’t looking at the same variant as this one.

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birnbaumone69 2 hs ago

Yes it is

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TacoDog420 Yesterday

I’m super curious about how T cell immunity interplays with these new variants. Obviously the focus so far is on antibodies due to relevance and ease of doing the experiments, but knowing how CD8+ T cells fit into the equation will be the most illuminating in my opinion.

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einar77 PhD - Molecular Medicine Yesterday

Indeed. And that would need to be checked in both recovered people and vaccinated people.

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PerfectSaucer Yesterday

No! God please no!! Noooooooo

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slavamedvedanko Yesterday

Explain this to me like I’m 7

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wacko_bryan Yesterday

Vaccines don’t work

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Mob_Nice Yesterday

this is bad information. a better way to put it is: "vaccine may be *less effective."*

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wacko_bryan 3 hs ago

Much less effective

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mynewaccount2200 Yesterday

Regenerons antibody cocktail doesn't work on it

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ab2140 Yesterday

This version of the virus basically escapes the wrath of COVID-19 anti-bodies. If this version takes off then, from the perspective of our immune system, we are dealing with two different viruses.

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StonePlastic Yesterday

No, if anything, it will make the vaccines a bit less effective. Sars 1 produces antibodies that can bind to covid 19. A covid 19 'variant' is not just going to evade our immune system. If it escapes our immune system, then we're looking at completely different strain.

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completelyperdue Yesterday

Right, so quite possibly the vaccines that have been developed might not be effective against this virus.

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StonePlastic Yesterday

They will be effective but maybe not as much.

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TacoDog420 Yesterday

Some data to support that pont: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.15.426911v1.

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Bbrhuft Yesterday

I've suspected fur a couple of weeks this variant, 501.V2 in South Africa, and the 501.V3 variant in Brazil, popped in areas that previously reached herd immunity. That herd immunity provided selection pressure to evolve mutations that could circumvent antibodies and reinfect people, kicking off 2nd waves. Manaus experienced a second wave, despite apparently reaching herd immunity last November (76% catching the virus). Some were sceptical of the antibody study, but this paper on immune escape supports this idea. That said, they say the mRNA vaccines can be updated in as little as 6 weeks. The technology is a revolution, allowing rapid development and update of vaccines. Edit: >The independent emergence and subsequent selection for two distinct 501Y lineages with key mutations conferring neutralization resistance strongly argues for selection by neutralizing antibodies as the dominant driver for SARS-CoV-2 spike diversification.

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collegemathchef Yesterday

It’s been debunked that they hit herd immunity. That’s misinfo

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Bbrhuft 4 hs ago

I'd like to read about it being debunked, do you have a link? Here's the paper. I know a weakness people point out is that they used blood donors, rather than a random sample (which would have been better). Buss, L.F., Prete, C.A., Abrahim, C.M., Mendrone, A., Salomon, T., de Almeida-Neto, C., França, R.F., Belotti, M.C., Carvalho, M.P., Costa, A.G. and Crispim, M.A., 2020. [Three-quarters attack rate of SARS-CoV-2 in the Brazilian Amazon during a largely unmitigated epidemici](https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6526/288.abstract). Science. Vol. 371, Issue 6526, pp. 288-292. DOI: 10.1126/science.abe9728

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Helpful-Error Yesterday

I am not 100% convinced as of yet that it really does evade the vaccines to a meaningful degree. As of now all we know that there is a chance. There is also a chance that it only lowers the efficacy by some percent while still giving meaningful protection. If it did end up making the current vaccines close to worthless though, even a 6 weeks update seems to be quite bad to me though. It is taking the world many many months to vaccinate a meaningful percentage of the population and that is with many vaccines being already pre manufactured prior to approval. If we have to wait 6 weeks and then start a new round of vaccine manufacturing and distribution it would throw us back by at least another year. Let us all hope that these versions of the virus only lower the vaccines efficacy and don’t manage to almost completely circumvent them.

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idkwhatimbrewin Yesterday

6 weeks is just how long it would take to make a new vaccine at scale. They would still need to do some amount clinical trials before approval. They could probably point to a lot of the data generated from the current vaccine and skip most of the process but the FDA certainly wouldn't approve it without at least some clinical data.

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Bbrhuft Yesterday

Yes, they say that in the paper, that vaccines should remain effective, but it will likely make most monoclonal antibody treatments ineffective, including some still in development, as they target the area of the Spike changed by the E434K mutation. That said, they are worried about future mutations, so they need to be able to update vaccines quickly if necessary or design vaccines that target some other part of virus.

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ab2140 Yesterday

This is obviously very bad news.

A video about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja_tLG8CLAc

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daniereiichan Yesterday

„The lack of increase in reinfection rates or alteration in mortality patterns may suggest it is not the new variant to blame, but government policy and differences in behavioural patterns of those infected.“ From the video you posted, a comment which I enjoyed quite a lot from Snow Leopard.

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Bbrhuft Yesterday

However, the UK variant is probably as infectious, since the increased infectiousness is mostly due to the N501Y mutation that all 3 variants share (501.V2 in South Africa and 501.V3 in Brazil). We might have a situation where the UK variant becomes dominant and blocks the spread of the South African and Brazil variants, but remains susceptible to vaccines. Then as vaccine immunity increases, we may end up with infections of immunized individuals by 501.V2 and 501.V3. The mRNA vaccines can be updated in 6 weeks.

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ImEveryTuna Verified Specialist - PhD (Neuroscience) Yesterday

Yeah but regulators would certainly require new clinical trials for the updated vaccine. So I would hope they're working on it already.

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gringewood Yesterday

Updated in 6 weeks is what they say, hopefully that’s correct. I’m also curious how production will go with two concurrent vaccines being produced? Or would a single vaccine be updated to protect from both.

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lordnikkon 5 hs ago

I love that UK has to offer them visas even though they are british subjects. Only UK could create a type of citizenship that is completely useless and does not allow you to live in country of citizenship

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ArUsure 7 hs ago

I though one of the reasons they left the eu was immigration

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Fanttasio Picardy (France) 1 h ago

These immigrants are "light-skinned" enough to their tastes I imagine

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veegib Gibraltar 7 hs ago

I really hope the vast majority of them do not come over. We can barely deal with the current population imagine adding 100s of thousands more people from a culturally/ethnically different aging society which will exacerbate the current issues were dealing with now.

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Psychological_Emu435 Russia 9 hs ago

That's fucked up. There is no way they will handle 5 millions

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20_Bucks_Is_20_Bucks FedEU|Free Hong Kong 11 hs ago

Would absolutely love it if the EU offered some help, like paying for several airplanes.

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FurlanPinou Italy 9 hs ago

I wouldn't, we have many other issues for which money is required. Wasting it on Hong Kong would be a huge mistake.

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Mr_Headless United Kingdom 8 hs ago

Ah yes, spending money on aiding people being oppressed by a brutal, authoritarian regime is ‘wasting money.’ I’ve personally met former HK’ers, a family has moved in down the street from me, and let me tell you the regime and its brutality do not just extend to those on the streets with umbrellas. Anyone with any sense of moral fibre, or in possession of a spine, would happily harbour or give aid to these people; the European Union cannot crow about democracy, human rights and the rule of law if it quietly enriches itself from a dictatorial regime like China and the suffering of its people. The UK is doing everything in its power to give residence to HK’ers and provide the necessary infrastructure and support for them to both live and prosper here. You also seem to forget they’re one of the most skilled workforces in the world. Calling China an ‘ally’ is a slap in the face to the thousands who’ve been starved, shot, rolled over by tanks and kidnapped for simply expressing their desire for freedom of expression. I would’ve thought Italians, of all people, would be hesitant to side with dictatorships after the twentieth century.

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FurlanPinou Italy 8 hs ago

Man we're all living in dictatorships with the illusion of choice, China is only less hypocrite about it.

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Mr_Headless United Kingdom 7 hs ago

"We all live in dictatorships." No we don't. You don't get dragged out of your bed and beaten for criticising your government. The type of ignorance you harbour is what allows regimes such as China and earlier examples such as the Nazis and Mussolini to rise unimpeded. Ineptitude on a stupendous level.

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FurlanPinou Italy 7 hs ago

> You don't get dragged out of your bed and beaten for criticising your government Well that doesn't happen in China neither so... Anyway, we have already reached the Godwin point well before expected so let's just leave it here.

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Mr_Headless United Kingdom 7 hs ago

"It doesn't happen in China..." Jesus Christ. I may as well be attempting to have a conversation with a particularly dilapidated brick wall, so lets.

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20_Bucks_Is_20_Bucks FedEU|Free Hong Kong 9 hs ago

This will take very little money while the symbolic gesture would be worth much more.

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FurlanPinou Italy 9 hs ago

Symbolic in what? In pissing off our allies?? Italy has made huge commercial deals with China which was a very good thing, so ruining relations now is not a great idea.

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20_Bucks_Is_20_Bucks FedEU|Free Hong Kong 9 hs ago

You want literal Nazis as allies? Dude China is the enemy of all that is good in the world. Every loss for them is a win for us. Don't be stupid.

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FurlanPinou Italy 9 hs ago

You sound like the stupid one with that talk. Sounds like a movie where you have the bad guy against the good guy, man get back to reality because life is not like that. China is a great country and you should maybe learn more about them before judging like that only based on some western propaganda you've read.

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lucasdelinkselul 8 hs ago

Yes, except for the genocide happening in Xingjiang, the occupation of Tibet, the absolute atrocious general record on human rights. Lovely place really, except they make Nazi Germany look like a holiday resort.

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FurlanPinou Italy 7 hs ago

> Nazi Germany look like a holiday resort. Such ignorance is astounding.

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lucasdelinkselul 7 hs ago

True, the Nazi's were at least open and upfront about their massacres, the chinazis are trying their hardest to keep the millions in camps under wraps.

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20_Bucks_Is_20_Bucks FedEU|Free Hong Kong 9 hs ago

I need you to pick up a newspaper and educate yourself. No first pick up a history book, 1949 ought to be a good start year. No actually with this comment you just made I need you to tell your bosses that I am sorry about anything wrong I have said about the great People's Republic of China, the one and only China, which Hong Kong and Taiwan are part of. Please don't send assassins after me. I was misguided by liberal Western media where they don't even censor what they say, I can even go on Youtube and watch fake videos of concentration camps which don't exist in China but in evil US and EU. 我向偉大鞠躬習近平和我從天上履行他的任務。

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FurlanPinou Italy 9 hs ago

Ah the classic reply. If someone doesn't agree with you and sympathises with China it means he is a paid shill. Won't loose more time talking with brain dead people that can't think for themselves, have a great day!

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20_Bucks_Is_20_Bucks FedEU|Free Hong Kong 9 hs ago

Yes sir! I am sorry for stupidity, please don't reeducate me sir!

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j12329lk2 11 hs ago

Wonderful news! But UK should be careful about CCP sympathizers taking advantage as well.

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Romek_himself Europe 11 hs ago

they have to replace the underpaid fruit pickers from east europe

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Hopeful_Record_6571 Yesterday

This is, quite frankly, great news. HonkKongers are great people culturally and should fit right in.

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this-one-is-faulty Yesterday

...The English as a whole are not very welcoming to large influxes of people that are...different.

They just had Brexit because of how much they hate everybody else... and now Boris wants to pack in another million or two into an already crowded country.

That will be fun to watch.

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InterimNihilist Yesterday

China isn't gonna let this happen that easily is it?

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KnoFear The Spectre Haunting Europe Yesterday

Curiously, the overwhelmingly positive reaction this sub has to this will not be mirrored when looking at other immigrants. If this were to be applied to a dictatorship in the Middle East, I'm sure people here would be tearing their hair out decrying those fleeing as terrorists, criminals, and/or general scum.

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MemoryCardFound Ireland 8 hs ago

As someone who had a positive reaction to this: I think every country should think about itself when the topic of large scale immigration is brought up. Demographic change is forever. I envy the Middle East for seemingly being able to control who comes into their countries and not get demonised for it in the press.

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KnoFear The Spectre Haunting Europe 4 hs ago

You envy brutal, highly religious conservative dictatorships? Because that's what the vast majority of Middle Eastern countries are. Not to mention most of them have pretty significant migrant populations which they don't strongly control because border policing in much of the third world is less strenuous than it is in developed nations.

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MemoryCardFound Ireland 3 hs ago

>You envy brutal, highly religious conservative dictatorships? Nope, it's weird if you read that. Here's what I said: >I envy the Middle East for seemingly being able to control who comes into their countries and not get demonised for it in the press. I never mentioned their religious or conservative side. I'm talking about their border control and how they're not focused on in the international community for it or guilted into financially supporting anyone who turns up at their door. Hope that clears it up for you!

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HotTopicRebel :wto: WTO Yesterday

There goes any hope of Britain getting back into the EU. China won't forget this.

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ThoughtsFromMe123 Yesterday

Definitely not anyone’s first choice. Uprooting your whole family when not so long ago Hong Kong was doing just fine.

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turboturgot :globe: Yesterday

This is incredible. I wish America would join in. But has the UK talked about where they're going to house these generally well off migrants? This should be done in tandem with heft housing liberalization.

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realestatedeveloper Yesterday

It won't be. Much like Brexit itself, this is political opportunism and fundraising masked as a moral stance.

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jestes15 Yesterday

I wish the US would do this

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Amtoj :commonwealth: Commonwealth Yesterday

Let Canada have some of these guys too, dammit.

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cirillaismycrush Yesterday

"Perfect immigrants" not like what we currently have. Bruh will we ever be able to live as one society without hating on each other ethnicity?

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makterna Yesterday

Nu kommer skrikvänstern gå i taket igen. De vill ju att alla som immigrerar till väst ska vara muslimer.

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SnowbackMcGee Yesterday

I would like to see a Commonwealth visa for these refugees. They can go to any British commonwealth country.

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plummbob Yesterday

this is beautiful

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venkrish :friedman: Milton Friedman Yesterday

based Boris? could more immigration be their remedy for the economic hit from Brexit?

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Ximenyr 7 hs ago

maybe he could even persuade them to move to Scotland and vote against independence

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half-spin recognize Artsakh! Yesterday

"These are the well-washed immigrants we wanted"

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GavinShipman Northern Ireland Yesterday

They’re political refugees.

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alfdd99 9 hs ago

So are millions of people from Africa and South America, yet the level of acceptance of these people from Europeans is not nearly as much as the solidarity that people from Hong Kong get. And don't get me wrong, fuck the CCP, and I'm all for supporting people from Hong Kong, but as Venezuelan, it feels kinda shitty to see my people struggle so much to find a visa to go anywhere, and Hong Kongers are having it much easier simply because China appears more on the news.

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Aromatic_Pizza_543 8 hs ago

Haven't a lot of Venezuelans gone to Spain?

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alfdd99 6 hs ago

Yes, we have a fuck ton of Venezuelans (myself included, living in Spain right now). But it's not because Spain is so cool to give away refugee status to everyone, but rather a mixture of different paths: - Many Venezuelans have Spanish citizenship thanks to ancestors, as lots of Spanish people migrated to Venezuela after the civil war. This is how I'm legally Spanish despite being born in Venezuela. - If you're fortunate enough to be in the middle class and you have some money saved, maybe you can invest in Spain buying a property or starting a small business. The amount needed to get a residence permit this way doesn't involve a lot of money. - studying in Spain. If you're a student, it's usually pretty easy to get a residence permit after you graduate. - work permit. Not really that common, but I do know a couple of Venezuelans that managed to find a job in Spain from Venezuela, and they could get a visa. - refugee status: way more difficult than people think. I do know a couple guys that got it, but these were students that were involved in the protests, and were imprisoned and tortured by the regime. They actually had to prove this in order to get refugee status. - illegally: sadly, this is becoming the most common option for a lot of Venezuelans. Spain thankfully is not so tough on deporting immigrants, so most can stay in Spain, and after some years, if you can prove you were in Spain (even if illegally), they usually give you a residence permit. A lot of people simply ask for a refugee permit when they arrive in Spain, and since approving it takes a lot of time, they can't deport you in the mean time. If it gets denied, luckily you'll have been enough time in Spain to apply for a residence permit anyway. But it's quite tough in the meantime, as obviously you can't get a good job, or rent an apartment if you are here illegally, and they usually have to survive with whatever they can find.

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GavinShipman Northern Ireland 9 hs ago

In the UK’s case we’re helping out because we were joint signatories with China in the handover of Hong Kong. When China continuously breaches the agreement made, erodes democratic institutions, we have an obligation to respond. I’m not fully clued on the situation in Venezuela, have Spain or the US done anything to help out?

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alfdd99 7 hs ago

> I’m not fully clued on the situation in Venezuela, have Spain or the US done anything to help out? Regarding the US, not really. Trump has acted "trying to look tough" with Maduro, and he has supported the Venezuelan opposition, but when it comes to accepting refugees, Republicans have voted against it. Hopefully it will change with Biden, as Kamala wanted to give Venezuelans protected status, like Cubans or Nicaraguans have. With Spain, I know the process to become a refugee is not straightforward at all, and there's lots of bureaucracy and waiting to become one. I'm fortunate enough to have Spanish citizenship, but I know plenty of people who are here illegally, in some kind of legal loophole, since they are waiting to see if their refugee status gets accepted (and they can't deport you until your refugee request gets denied), but they can't find legal jobs, they can't legally rent apartments, which means they're on a very terrible situation. As I said, I'm happy that people in Hong Kong are having so much support, but sadly, there are many countries in the world that are going through worse things, and they are not fortunate enough to appear in the media so frequently.

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Guirigalego Yesterday

That’s going to so upset all those British nationalists who wanted to “control borders”.

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ThunderousOrgasm United Kingdom Yesterday

Wrong. All the polling indicates almost unanimous support in the U.K. Including brexiters. Including right wing voters. Overwhelming support from all sectors of British society. It’s almost as if it was never a “fuck immigrants” vote no matter how much you repeated it and consumed outraged tweets screaming it.

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Azlan82 England Yesterday

Prefer people born under the British flag in Hong Kong to.euros.

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Hand_Only England Yesterday

I’m pretty cool with this actually.

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TirNaNog84 Eire - British Isles Yesterday

You seem to be mistaking controlled for closed.

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Guirigalego Yesterday

...if China sends tanks into Hong Kong

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TirNaNog84 Eire - British Isles Yesterday

Is that a song? A cryptic message to the beyond?

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Guirigalego Yesterday

My point is that Britain has no way of controlling how many of those 5.4 million come. Potentially all of them if China gets roughshod—as welcome and highly skilled as they may be that would be difficult to accommodate

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TirNaNog84 Eire - British Isles Yesterday

ah, yes. That is true. We could have 5 Million newcomers. Will be a logistics headache but they will be welcomed by most.

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Guirigalego Yesterday

Doubt the same people who spent years complaining about schools, hospitals and homes being taken up by 1,000,000 Poles who generally look and act like British people will be so happy to welcome 5M HK’ers no matter what they contribute to the economy.

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TirNaNog84 Eire - British Isles Yesterday

I think you'll find Brits are very welcoming, apart from those with prejudices. If you visit the UK and stay away from the woke snowflakes and their media outlets, you'll find most Brits are perfectly fine with people in need of aid.

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Guirigalego Yesterday

Giving Visas to 5.4 million people —equivalent to 8% of the UK population ...be interesting to see how that’s “controlled” or welcomed by the racists who took us out of the EU

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DrunkenTypist Devon Yesterday

Of the electorate 34% voted remain with everyone else voting leave or not bothering. Those areas such as Slough and Leicester with non-white British majorities voted leave. The offer of citizenship to BNOs is widely popular in the UK, a country regularly topping surveys on social attitudes towards race and immigration.

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TirNaNog84 Eire - British Isles Yesterday

The remainers didn't take us out of the EU. They hate foreigners, always going on about them.

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AGoodCuppaTea Land of Hope and Glory (results may vary) Yesterday

But I thought we all pined for the days of Empire? Surely we'd be happy with loyal imperial subjects coming. Only people I see complaining about it are Remainers who don't get the difference and lefties who are worried they'll vote Conservative. Anyway, this is control, "control" doesn't mean "closed", if our population doesn't like it we can end it without having to change all our trade arrangements, it's also kinda nice to have solidarity-based movement with people we actually do feel solidarity with for a change.

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vbm Yesterday

Make sure you all bring dim sum when you come over, yeah.

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neocrawler24 :trans: Trans Pride Yesterday

"Oh no, we're sinking... we need to leave Freedom Of Movement... we promise to cut immigration... please vote for us"

Btw, we just gave 5.4 citizens of another country the automatic right to immigrate. Turns our immigration isn't bad after all.

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maxhaton Yesterday

It was never about immigration. Brexit isn't about anything material it's just vague sabre rattling in the direction of europe (after decades of uncountered slander in the press) and a misplaced middle finger to the status quo (Meet the new boss, exactly the same as the last one)

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neocrawler24 :trans: Trans Pride Yesterday

It was though. Anyone who thinks that the main issue wasn't immigration which turned Euroscepticism from a fringe movement to a national winner of a referendum within the space of just a few years. Must have at the time had their head buried in the sand. It is why deprived areas which have high populations of immigrants voted overwhelmingly for Brexit.

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DooomCookie :heckman: James Heckman Yesterday

* The Tory immigration platform was about control more than reduction. (Johnson 'unveiled' a points-based system months before the election.) * Hong Kong immigration has popular support (unlike FoM, or immigration overall). This is probably in part because of the perception that Hong Kongers are skilled workers and hard workers. (https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-of-concern/) * There is an important cultural and historical connection. Many HKers still remember British Hong Kong. I would argue UK has a responsibility to them since we 'gave' them to China.

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realestatedeveloper Yesterday

>I would argue UK has a responsibility to them since we 'gave' them to China. I don't quite buy the logic that colonizer returning a land to a nation it dispossessed that land from a century earlier constitutes "giving" the land to China. Otherwise you could argue that the UK gave Mumbai to India, or Lagos to Nigerians. Which wouldn't make much sense

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DooomCookie :heckman: James Heckman Yesterday

There's not much to buy, I'm literally stating the facts here. Hong Kong was handed over to China — that's what everyone calls it, the 'handover'. India and Pakistan were granted independence. You can't say Mumbai was given to India, because Mumbai was never separate from India. It was Indian before and after independence. Also, I'd note that the handover was only 20 years ago; most people from the time are still alive. If it were in the 1950's like India I don't think there is such a responsibility.

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neocrawler24 :trans: Trans Pride Yesterday

Where is the control in vet-less immigration from a country where 20% live below the poverty line? Moral reasonability and history of cultural ties or not. If the notions peddled by the Brexiters were indeed correct. Such as immigration putting a strain on public services, preventing wage growth, and stealing jobs. Then this policy is going to be a disaster The 300,00 immigrants (which is the estimate over the next five years) is no doubt going to be over-represented of those under the poverty line, which is 1 in 5/ 20% as I have already mentioned. Also, skilled labourers from Eastern Europe particularly within the construction industry was a massive topic during the debate over leaving Freedom Of Movement. This group is also likely going to be overrepresented due to the difference in salary. Therefore, these advocates of this policy have completely contradicted the anti-immigration notions they once peddled. It's almost if they simply peddled these false notions to con the public (which as at the time very immigration-sceptic) into supporting a decades-long agenda of leaving the EU.

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DooomCookie :heckman: James Heckman Yesterday

You seem determined to frame this as a 'gotcha', but I think it falls pretty flat. None of the various critiques of immigration in UK politics apply very well to Hong Kong. (And the public don't seem to see any contradiction either. More people want to reduce immigration than increase, but a large majority also support HK immigration.) * Strain on public services, preventing wage growth, stealing jobs. HKers are perceived as highly-skilled, especially students and those at risk from the regime. Doctors for the NHS, more start ups, people who would 'pay for themselves' etc. No-one minds if skilled wages go down. * "30,000 immigrants ... is no doubt going to be over-represented of those under the poverty line". This is simply wrong. Support for the protests has been strongly correlated with youth, education and wealth. And economic migrants tend to be middle-upper class in their country of origin anyway. * "skilled labourers from Eastern Europe particularly within the construction industry was a massive topic". No, the debate was about unskilled, not skilled. People were talking about truck drivers, factory workers, fruit pickers. Construction work is mostly unskilled as well — no-one was upset about Polish civil engineers lmao.

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neocrawler24 :trans: Trans Pride Yesterday

The biggest critique of immigration in the UK is mass-immigration. To the point that David Cameron was forced to pledge to cut net immigration to under 100'000 in order to win an election (it stood at 270,000 in 2019 btw) Most of the concerns do indeed revolve around unskilled immigration. Which is why the government has introduced points passed system for the sole purpose of reducing it. But we ARE talking about non-skilled immigration in regards to this HongKong policy. The new estimate is 300,000 that will be arriving from a country that suffers from a severe inequality of living standards caused by the city's high rent and low pay. We would be shocked if such living conditions existed in the UK. It is also worth noting that the Home Office's "high estimate" is 1 million over the next 5 years. This would surely put a halt to the plan of cutting unskilled immigration. That's why it contracts the UK efforts and their cut unskilled immigration brought on by the notions that such immigration and mass immigration is bad. If the UK wants an immigration policy that resembles Australia's for the purpose of cutting unskilled immigration. Then they need to actually impose it instead of allowing visas free immigration from other countries. Australia funny enough rejected visa-free immigration within trade negotiations with the UK. One of the reasons cited by their trade minister was it would cause too much low skilled immigration from the UK. Hong Kong is perceived to rich, but it's no Singapore. 1.5 million of its resident live below the poverty line. I'm not lying about this, go look it up. That's a large population of people who would jump at any opportunity to immigrate to a country with an actual sufficient welfare state and areas where workers can actually afford rent. It's also a large elderly population. So there's the prospect of young both non-skilled or skilled workers freely bringing their parents who are main victims of Hong Kong's huge social problems. All in all. The policy is hypocritical coming from a government that was only just recently appeasing to anti-immigration notions by proposing to reduce unskilled and mass immigration while talking about control.

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Typical_Athlete Yesterday

I think they justify it by pointing out Hong Kongers are more educated, skilled, wealthier, not culturally hostile to European culture as compared to immigrants from the Middle East Bringing in 5.4m Hong kongers is not the same as bringing in 5.4m Somalians

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neocrawler24 :trans: Trans Pride Yesterday

The UK didn't have high immigration from the Middle East though. It was mass immigration from Eastern Europe. That's white, Christian, Europeans which lead to much of the public voting to "control our borders". If the public think that Hong Kong doesn't have a large working-class ready to take UK jobs, then they have another thing coming. Although it's a good thing as the UK economy still faces future labour shortages and an ageing population crisis. The working-class will still be looking for something to blame for social issues. And immigrants from Hong Kong will inevitably become another target.

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Mcnst 53 mins ago

Has Brave stopped collecting BAT on behalf of verified sites, only to not allow such verified sites to either opt-out or to withdraw the funds like one should be able to do with an actual cryptocurrency?

https://blog.archive.today/post/621541311410995200/like-while-i-understand-there-is-an-issue-i-had

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hdlyy 1 h ago

should use Nano~ if u don't know how nano works, buy 1 nano and try it~

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LEmp_Evrey 7 hs ago

People still use this scam browser?

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slavefavor 6 hs ago

I am not very familiar with browser stuff, what's scammy about brave?

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Mcnst 2 hs ago

I was very excited about Brave because of Brendan Eich of Mozilla and JavaScript fame, but have since been disappointed for a number of reasons: * they don’t let you turn off automatic updates; ignoring the very real possibility of targeted attacks through an update channel, and just overall a nuisance of getting you over your hotspot limit at the wrong time; * they don’t allow site creators to opt-out out of the donations; so, [you can verify ownership of the site, but can’t opt-out of Brave using your brand to get free cash](https://blog.archive.today/post/621541311410995200/like-while-i-understand-there-is-an-issue-i-had); I interacted with the Brave folk personally, and I got the impression that these bugs are a *won’t fix* on purpose — because fixing them would reduce Brave’s reach — they’re just a free Chrome browser otherwise. This fact is not even hidden. Although they did remove at least [one long GitHub issue where people were complaining about these things](https://archive.is/2zdET). There’s also been reports that [they don’t allow certain nationalities from withdrawing the crypto](https://blog.archive.today/post/627318788932698112/jesus-christ-i-just-checked-the-github-page-via-a), and you have to provide a lot of PII in order to be eligible in the first place (which defeats the whole idea of having a cryptocurrency).

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EternityForest 2 hs ago

Why must every single new decentralized tech get crapped down with Cryptocurrency integration, or some other nonsense feature like these automatic updates? Jami is one of the only existing usable ones. Decentralized advocates really need to learn from Bittorent, which is still better than most new projects. Easy, performant, local network friendly, no incentive layer, no perpetual history store, everyone loves it. Even IPFS has it's own nonsense, it's very focused on random access to individual files or even individual blocks, rather than complete collections, and it took a long time to get the idle traffic vaugely reasonable.

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LEmp_Evrey 5 hs ago

Thankfully, someone collected a lot of relevant info [in a single blog post](https://aspenuwu.me/blog/dont-use-brave/), so i no longer have to try and dig up a billion separate articles sprinkled around. Have fun reading.

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slavefavor 5 hs ago

just a big list of nothingburgers. lol shouldn't have taken a redditor seriously.

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LEmp_Evrey 5 hs ago

Ah, stealing money is a nothing. I think we both successfully communicated both our positions now.

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naasking 1 h ago

From whom is it stealing?

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LEmp_Evrey 1 h ago

In the example case in the linked blog post, Tom Scott. But pretty much everyone's stolen from if they make money with online ads. Brave blocks the YT ads, thus cutting income. So far so every ad blocker user. But now Brave also has its own system of some dubious money pot filled by watching »good« ads injected by Brave. And the propaganda is that content creators shall receive from that money pot. Okay, sounds nice-ish. But the reality is that people don't see any of that money. Quoting the blog post: > Brave Bravely Rips Off Tom Scott > > Shortly before Christmas in 2018, Tom Scott, a youtuber who makes rather interesting and educational videos, was asked if any of the money being donated through Brave's "BAT" system (some cryptocurrency blockchain BS), he realized that the browser was fooling people into thinking they were supporting him, when in reality he didn't see a single penny. Eventually, this whole fiasco ended with Brave adding a warning to "unverified" creators, and with Tom sending Brave Software a formal GDPR "right to be forgotten" request. [4][5]

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naasking 35 mins ago

> But pretty much everyone's stolen from if they make money with online ads. Brave blocks the YT ads, thus cutting income. So far so every ad blocker user. Right, so Brave is "stealing" in the same way that plenty of other users are "stealing". I assume, for consistency, you also criticize all of the ad blocking extensions as "stealing" too? > But now Brave also has its own system of some dubious money pot filled by watching »good« ads injected by Brave. And the propaganda is that content creators shall receive from that money pot. Okay, sounds nice-ish. But the reality is that people don't see any of that money. We have two intermingled questions here: 1. Is the business model Brave has implemented *technically sound*? 2. Has Brave implemented the business model *faithfully, transparently and honestly*? Authors don't see any of that money unless they sign up. I don't see a technical way around that. The anonymized ads and BAT model also seems like a good way to monetize free content without sacrificing our privacy, which thankfully breaks the total privacy shit show that is the modern web. So I think the answer to #1 is "yes". From the articles linked, the main issue seems to be that how Brave has implemented these is misleading bordering on fraudulent. I think these articles do a good job making the uncharitable case. I think it's important to consider the charitable interpretation for balance: the status quo is completely unacceptable but profitable, so Brave's competitors have deep pockets. Brave is trying to move the web into a better position, but given its novel business model and the opposition with deep pockets, they will inevitably make missteps. We should immediately and sharply criticize any such missteps of course, but that doesn't make Brave a scam as you initially posted. If Brave or the model that it pioneered actually wins appreciably marketshare, then we'll all be better off.

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LEmp_Evrey 11 mins ago

> Right, so Brave is "stealing" in the same way that plenty of other users are "stealing". I assume, for consistency, you also criticize all of the ad blocking extensions as "stealing" too? Not quite. Sure, ad block users prevent making money. But Brave just substitutes ads for its own, farming money, promising that money, and then not paying it. So no, i don't see normal ad blocking as stealing. Not to say its not without its own questionable morailty. > So I think the answer to #1 is "yes". Yes, on paper it sounds okay. Like Patreon, but money farmed by showing you ads. Unless you stop for a moment and think: »Wait a minute.« Because such a thing already exists. It's called YouTube ads, etc. People uploading content to YouTube sign a contract for monetisation, and they receive a regular payout based on watched ads. By YouTube. So considering that I think the answer is *actually* a big »No«. Think about it. You are storming a super market, you lock away their cashiers, you install your own cash register there, because you don't like their, but you promise them to pay what you collected, *if* they subscribe to you. How does that not scream »what the fuck« to anyone? I also don't think that Brave's business model of »better ads, decided by us, with our own money pot« makes the web any better. I think it makes it worse. What would really improve the world of software, but now we enter the world of opinions, would be an operatin system level »Patreon« for tiny transactions. And then browsers can tap onto these OS payment APIs, and websites onto the browsers'. And then a news site can e.g. ask for a few cents for reading their content. Patreon's great, but not really suited/ergonomic for tiny spontaneous one-shot payments. That's how i think we'll be able to kill invasive ads. > but that doesn't make Brave a scam as you initially posted Given how i feel about micro payments for the world of software, and given how really questionable this invasive third party money pot of Brave is… No, i'm still of the opinion that Brave's a scam.

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UJ_Reddit Tin 8 hs ago

Brave and BAT is such a good idea but my god, their dev team is slow and their marketing strategy is almost non-existent.

Push BAT towards influencers and have them do your marketing for you.
Allow me to spend my BAT on subscription services like Netflix, NYT, Wikipedia etc..

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onestrokeimdone Gold | 6 months old | QC: CC 42 10 hs ago

inb4 a bitcoin maxi comes in here and says "brave is great, but BAT seems useless" and leaves and his comment is voted to the top. Brave is going to be the gateway to mainstream crypto adoption, and BAT is going to be a large part of it.

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sgtslaughterTV Platinum | QC: CC 204, NANO 48, BTC 27 9 hs ago

I personally think we will have to wait until Eth 1.5 to 'get there' tho...

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DonDiegoSanchez Tin 10 hs ago

Exactly, Brave is the perfect tool for mass adoption. Doesn't matter if you're introducing to a wealthy friend that can invest or not. Brave and the BAT system represent every aspect of why CC will be the future, plus it's quite easy for anyone to switch from firefox or chrome to Brave and start the Crypto Journey safely and slowly.

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Oxygenjacket Platinum | QC: CC 119, ETH 92 | TraderSubs 62 10 hs ago

Jesus they took their time, this was a no brainer.

Is this company run by idiots?

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Dat_is_wat_zij_zei Gold | QC: CC 78, XMR 34, ETH 20 | NANO 18 10 hs ago

Brave is the first browser (of some size, at least) to implement support for IPFS, what are you talking about?

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wakaseoo 4 hs ago

Actually not. Opera is nowadays the blockchain friendly browser. https://blog.ipfs.io/2020-03-30-ipfs-in-opera-for-android/

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Dat_is_wat_zij_zei Gold | QC: CC 78, XMR 34, ETH 20 | NANO 18 26 mins ago

Thanks for sharing, I was going off what IPFS themselves had said: https://blog.ipfs.io/2021-01-19-ipfs-in-brave/ *This is the first time a major browser has implemented native support for IPFS*

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taqwalawaal Tin 10 hs ago

Has anyone done anything meaningful with their BAT token yet? Last time I tried, it cost about 95% of total coin to transfer the remaining 5%

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pedobeheader666 6 mins ago

Ive used some BAT for a Amazon gift card on Uphold.

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bwjxjelsbd 4 hs ago

I wish they switch to Cardano or something. Their fee is unbearable right now.

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taqwalawaal Tin 4 hs ago

Is cardano feeless and would it be able to scale? I don't know much about that project

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bwjxjelsbd 3 hs ago

Cardano fee is much cheaper than ETH rn. Also it’d be able to scale far better than ETH.

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taqwalawaal Tin 3 hs ago

Why pay fees at all when there are feeless chains that can be used? Perhaps not as popular but definitely worth looking into. Hive, for example

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ThatOtherGuy254 Platinum | QC: CC 121, BTC 18 | TraderSubs 18 7 hs ago

Ethereum really need to hurry up with 2.0.

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ManyArtichoke Platinum | QC: CC 74, BTC 48 3 hs ago

Yea it's disappointing. Ethereum simply doesnt work right now. A few years is a long time to wait in the crypto space.

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taqwalawaal Tin 7 hs ago

That's like another couple of years from what I gathered. The gas fee would have killed off many projects before then

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bittabet 9 hs ago

The gas issue is definitely why some projects are actually starting to move to other blockchains. At least a couple of stablecoins are moving, USDC starting [using Stellar](https://www.stellar.org/press-releases/centre-consortium-announces-stellar-as-an-official-chain-for-usdc?locale=en) in addition to Ethereum and Stably is [moving USDS to Tezos](https://cryptoslate.com/this-stablecoin-just-moved-from-ethereum-to-tezos-heres-why/). Stablecoins probably have to move around a lot so high fees probably hurt a lot. But I'd be surprised if Brave wasn't looking at other chains, it can't be helping adoption of BAT for fees to be this high.

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taqwalawaal Tin 8 hs ago

I hope something is done about the gas price too. Any serious project would definitely be looking to move over to another chain. There are several feeless chains that Brave can build on.

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moonkingdome Bronze 10 hs ago

Thats an eth problem with gas fees.. Just wait till lrc works..

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taqwalawaal Tin 10 hs ago

What's lrc? Excuse my ignorance

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moonkingdome Bronze 9 hs ago

https://cryptoslate.com/level-2-scaling-project-loopring-lrc-shoots-over-50-higher-amid-ethereum-network-congestion/ Read this .. It explains what the 2nd layer is..

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taqwalawaal Tin 8 hs ago

Great. Thanks for this. I will have a deep look

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moonkingdome Bronze 7 hs ago

Np "it never hurts to help.. " quote eek The cat.

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moonkingdome Bronze 9 hs ago

Np.. Loopring..

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Looks like IPNS is supported using schemea #2

https://blog.ipfs.io/2021-01-19-ipfs-in-brave/

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With today's desktop browser update (v1.19), Brave is the first browser to offer a native IPFS integration, enabling users to seamlessly browse the decentralized Web, and increasing content availability and Internet resilience.

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With today's desktop browser update (v1.19), Brave is the first browser to offer a native IPFS integration, enabling users to seamlessly browse the decentralized Web, and increasing content availability and Internet resilience.

Read the official announcement from Brave and IPFS on Brave's blog: https://brave.com/ipfs-support/

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ItGonBeK 1 h ago

I see the companion extension requires read/write perms on all websites visited, what steps are taken to ensure Brave users privacy?

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rattan_chair 4 hs ago

Isn't this is too Brave focused and not BAT focused enough to be on here? I understand the idea that more Brave functionality is supposed to drive BAT adoption but this update (while really good) isn't a factor driving BAT decentralization, use-cases, or velocity. I feel like this sub is r/brave_browser jr at times and not r/BATproject.

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polaris64 8 hs ago

Very nice! I just published my blog on IPFS after upgrading Brave and it all works fine (except for the search). You can try it here: ipns://blog.polaris64.net/

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BWBama85 Yesterday

Yep, this is really going to convince all those Chrome users to jump over.

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the_wolf_peach Yesterday

Test url:

ipfs://bafybeigwwctpv37xdcwacqxvekr6e4kaemqsrv34em6glkbiceo3fcy4si/

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UrbenLegend 2 hs ago

>ipfs://bafybeigwwctpv37xdcwacqxvekr6e4kaemqsrv34em6glkbiceo3fcy4si/ You dog, I just woke up my entire family with that.

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Livwire13 Yesterday

well you got me and it works

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TheTruthFoo Yesterday

nice, this is looking sweet

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ItGonBeK Yesterday

Is there a wiki or similar of all IPFS pages?

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Wise-Comb Yesterday

OP is just another brave shill. You’re not helping your cause by being so blatantly disingenuous

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Spotums Yesterday

That's exciting, looking forward to get a bit more familiar with IPFS!

I also spotted Ecosia as a default search engine option in the code for 1.19.x release, does that mean it's finally going to happen? Super excited! However, will this only be available in some countries?

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SSI8E Yesterday

why do people think Firefox is gonna censor sites ? if you do, link the site ccensored.

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adscpa Yesterday

Enabling an IPFS node should earn BAT.

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UrbenLegend Yesterday

If I choose to use a local node in Brave and then browse to a website that's using an IPFS gateway, will it still use my local node to copy the accessed content to make it available for other users? I know that's the case if you browse IPFS directly (via ipfs:// and ipns://), but I am not sure about sites that use the HTTP gateway.

EDIT: Seems like you need to use the IPFS Companion extension to automatically convert HTTP gateway URLs to ipfs:// or ipns://.

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zopyrus2 Yesterday

How private is ipfs? Or is it more useful/secure than torrent? Captain?

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bloingbadoing 5 hs ago

> How private is ipfs? It has basically no privacy at all. Communication between nodes is encrypted, but since everybody can be a node, that doesn't really help much. It's main advantage over a torrent is that everything goes into a global namespace and individual files can be addressed. So it's much more useful for things like mirroring a Linux distribution, which torrent always sucked at as there was no way to update the torrent with a fresh set of files.

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eetaylog Yesterday

After years of the community asking for it, you still can't sync your BAT wallet across multiple devices, even when logged into the same Brave account.

I have a few quids worth on my work pc, but am unable to see them on either my phone or laptop at home. Whats worse, if I want to set up a separate wallet on each of the other devices, I have to wait until I've accrued 25 token before I can even do anything with them.

They should rename it Bullshit coin.

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kamo287 Gold | QC: CC 36 Yesterday

It's great though... you don't even need the token tbh. The browser is solid on its own

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eetaylog 9 hs ago

Agree the browser is good, the token is useless though.

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Fbmstk Yesterday

It kind of worked for me after getting the seed phrase from one device and importing the wallet on the other. I say kinda because the values update seemingly at random times and hardly ever show exactly the same, which is indeed far from ideal, but the earnings seem correct as far as I checked.

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I_Palm_Trees_AMA Crypto Expert | CC: 28 QC Yesterday

Can you not just verify the same uphold wallet on both devices?

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eetaylog 9 hs ago

No, it won't let you until you've accrued 25 bat on the device you're trying to verify the wallet on.

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david-song Yesterday

How long before this is in the Android browser?

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Guy_on_the_Web Yesterday

Again Brave is far ahead of the competition. IPFS is very small right now, but Brave is building real street cred with this functionality.

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Quinnell Yesterday

Gonna try this out and see how I like it. Might even host a node via the companion extension

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keybrah Yesterday

Chromium OS has a raw sockets API, but it’s disabled in the Chrome browser. Brave has modified their build to whitelist those APIs for IPFS Companion to use - and this gives us superpowers compared to any other browser at this point.

I hope this doesn't result in any major vulnerabilities for Brave.

From: https://blog.ipfs.io/2019-10-08-ipfs-browsers-update/

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freeandeasy802 Yesterday

The Brave browser is great, I've used it for years on both desktop and mobile. BAT just seems unnecessary

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ManyArtichoke Platinum | QC: CC 74, BTC 48 Yesterday

It was useful at first. I made around $10/month, but when that number dropped to around $0.05/month I turned off Brave Rewards. Who wants to see 100+ ads a month for a few cents? That's just not worth it. Brave also makes you do full KYC to withdraw your BAT. I understand they don't make the regulations, but you can't be a privacy browser and also be the only browser that makes it users go through KYC. Plus my BAT payouts were either late or missing almost every month. I'm not sure if the situation has improved since I stopped using it, but Brave was having serious issues processing their payments almost every single month when I used Rewards.

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AetasAaM Yesterday

I personally never had an interest in withdrawing the funds. I just donate pretty much all of it to wikipedia and duckduckgo. That alone makes it worthwhile for me because it makes it so easy to contribute to those and a few other sites I enjoy.

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GetYourJeansOn 6 hs ago

But you have to view ads? I'll stick with my ad blocker, thanks. Idk why people think letting ads spam you is worth a few bucks.

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AetasAaM 5 hs ago

Depends on your tolerance; I don't have it enabled on desktop but on mobile I don't mind (I set it to not show ads when you're not on the app though; I think the default was ads anywhere and that was a hard pass for me.) I think the point is you can pick your level. Some people don't want ads at all, which I completely understand, while others find a certain amount acceptable for the kickback.

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Ferdo306 Platinum | QC: CC 55, BTC 30 | NANO 23 Yesterday

BAT seems confusing. You earn it by watching ads which makes sense but then you should tip it to content creators. Where's the connection here

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ChildrenOfTheCoin Redditor for 2 months. Yesterday

The idea is your attention/time is worth something. You can auto-tip creators you visit as well or save up your BAT. I don't get why people wouldn't like it..

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Minimum_Effective Yesterday

Brave pissed off legions of BTC maxis when they decided BTC wasn't usable for tipping back in 2016. So now we get "BAT seems unnecessary" upvoted to the top of literally any post about Brave.

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onestrokeimdone Gold | 6 months old | QC: CC 42 11 hs ago

Its pretty sad. Brave/BAT is dogpiled more than any other coin. Might have something to do with it making 98% of other crypto token usecases obsolete.

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brianddk Yesterday

Are IPNS endpoionts supported? If so what is the schema?

ipfs://ipns/{cid}
ipns://{cid}
/ipns/{cid}

Update

Looks like IPNS is supported using schemea #2

https://blog.ipfs.io/2021-01-19-ipfs-in-brave/

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bloingbadoing 5 hs ago

There is also `dweb:/ipfs/{cid}` (Edit: Apparently only supported with IPFS Companion)

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brianddk 5 hs ago

The spec said that this schema hadn't been accepted by committee yet. Is it really deployed in Brave?

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bloingbadoing 5 hs ago

Seems to only work when IPFS companion is enabled.

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Infamous-Ad-6002 Yesterday

All about IPFS in Brave @rxjshi/using-ipfs-in-brave-fefc6a5b">https://read.cash/@rxjshi/using-ipfs-in-brave-fefc6a5b

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PandaSovietico Yesterday

This is not even related

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dennis1248 Yesterday

This has nothing to do with that.

IPFS does absolutely nothing against deplatforming, it is just a more efficient way of storing and sharing data.

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Full_Speed Yesterday

How does this work for a regular user, in terms of speeding up the web. Is this something that web devs have to implement into their sites before we see an improvement?

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immersiveGamer Yesterday

Yup, websites and web servers will have to start using it. Cloudflare is giving it push by supporting it. And filecoin was launched last year which is a monitization platform for storing data on the IPFS network. Major browsers still need to support it and they are in focus on rolling out HTTP/3 protocol (which will speed up web browsing and the internet but again needs website and web server buy in).

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solcroft Yesterday

What does this have to do with deplatforming?

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