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"When the definitive history of the coronavirus pandemic is written, the date 20 January 2020 is certain to feature prominently. It was on that day that a 35-year-old man in Washington state, recently returned from visiting family in Wuhan in China, became the first person in the US to be diagnosed with the virus.

On the very same day, 5,000 miles away in Asia, the first confirmed case of Covid-19 was reported in South Korea. The confluence was striking, but there the similarities ended.

In the two months since that fateful day, the responses to coronavirus displayed by the US and South Korea have been polar opposites.

One country acted swiftly and aggressively to detect and isolate the virus, and by doing so has largely contained the crisis. The other country dithered and procrastinated, became mired in chaos and confusion, was distracted by the individual whims of its leader, and is now confronted by a health emergency of daunting proportions.

Within a week of its first confirmed case, South Korea’s disease control agency had summoned 20 private companies to the medical equivalent of a war-planning summit and told them to develop a test for the virus at lightning speed. A week after that, the first diagnostic test was approved and went into battle, identifying infected individuals who could then be quarantined to halt the advance of the disease.

Some 357,896 tests later, the country has more or less won the coronavirus war. On Friday only 91 new cases were reported in a country of more than 50 million.

The US response tells a different story. Two days after the first diagnosis in Washington state, Donald Trump went on air on CNBC and bragged: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

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pipefighter1 1 h ago

I sincerely hope everyone that voted for Donald will remember just how badly he responded to this crisis. Don’t nominate him again, I know you have someone that is not as sad as him. Remember , you’re the party that gave us Richard Millhouse Nixon.

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lzwzli 1 h ago

It's only a test of Trump if he took the job of POTUS seriously, of which he does not.

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MenuBar 1 h ago

I hope he gets corona. But keep him alive as long as possible. I can't wait to see what his last tweet will be.
"I'm in the most perfect health. More than anybody in fact. Blood and mucous are perfectly natural. I'm going to stop breathing now just to show how superior I am at holding my breath. Let's see Hillary Clinton do thi...."

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canuckoo 1 h ago

How can any American read this article and still approve of him? It’s not “fake news”. The article is literally full of factual timelines and events and quotes from actual experts. It isn’t an opinion piece. Is there some kind of cult around him at this point? Like a conspiracy theorist cult?

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galtthedestroyer 2 hs ago

It had nothing to do with Trump. Due to past success with being much more cautious than Europe a law was put into place decades ago to make sure that we are extra cautious about medical things. Their hands were tied by this law.

https://youtu.be/gbDnUrVvkRU

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Stem357 2 hs ago

I hope you all realise that a president doesn't actually make the decisions , they're the figure head of the government, congress is who makes the decisions. We've had one of the same members in Congress for almost 60 years (that's 1960) and you can serve indefinitely. So is the problem really with who the next president is gonna be, or is it that most of congress has been in office for decades and we're to busy squabbling about who is president to take the people out of power who have been making these decisions for you since 1980

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LetGoPortAnchor 2 hs ago

Did he ever not fail a test? He even won the election without wanting to!

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NouXouS 2 hs ago

What made anyone think he would be a good president? None of this should be a surprise.

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GreatNorthWeb 2 hs ago

...and yet record high approval rating. hm.

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Altruistic_Bus 2 hs ago

People are going to flock to their political tribes, but I don't think anyone would have reacted differently. I was incredibly ill from Swine Flu while Obama was in office along with 60 million other Americans. 12,000 died from from it. South Korea was in a unique situation where they learned from MERS and got test samples early on for CVD19.

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davediggity 2 hs ago

It was hardly a morale-boosting gesture when Drumpf proposed a 16% cut in CDC funding on 10 February – 11 days after the World Health Organization had declared a public health emergency over Covid-19.

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reallyhowfascinating 2 hs ago

As I type this he is congratulating himself and delaying the departure of the hospital ship Comfort so he can get footage for a campaign commercial.

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rock4lite 2 hs ago

But I’m sure he had a blast golfing!

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Neuroticmuffin 2 hs ago

Remember when Michael Moore did Fahrenheit 9/11 and everyone thought Bush was a screw up?

Boy where you fellas in for a treat. Bush is a genius compared to this nincompoop

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BigAgates 2 hs ago

More like 8 to 10 weeks

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IERsHolisbUS 2 hs ago

God bless a Trump. Can’t wait to vote for him in 2020

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ptrnyc 2 hs ago

"The US response will be studied for generations as a textbook example of a disastrous, failed effort,”

That's assuming actual numbers and events are not erased from history.

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maximian305 2 hs ago

Every single American that supports Trump deserves to contract the virus, go bankrupt from medical expenses and suffer.

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critsalot 2 hs ago

hes probably going to get reelected, presidents that weather crises normally do.

Also joe seems to be going senile, and i doubt if he cant run the dems will pick bernie. lol

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EagleChi423 2 hs ago

Shut the fuck up. Thank God we have him versus Hillary. You Libs & Dems were all over Trump back on Jan 31 calling him a xenophobe when he shut down flights from China. Don’t need backseat drivers at this point.

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cruzeog 2 hs ago

🤡

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piratebay 2 hs ago

Sheer idiocy.

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p_arani 2 hs ago

Confused at how you think his actions have been effective, timely, or coherent? Would love to hear your perspective along with supporting facts.

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EagleChi423 2 hs ago

Would love to hear what he should have done & not been ripped by you assholes.

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Annoyingly_Liberal 2 hs ago

Imagine pointing to 2 months ago in search of something Trump did good during this. That just shows he failed.

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EagleChi423 2 hs ago

You Libs are gonna second guess everything he does- period.

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Annoyingly_Liberal 1 h ago

Don’t need to second guess it. Can already see the results. He already failed. You guys had more deaths yesterday than Canada has had altogether. You’re conned just admit and move on with your life.

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EagleChi423 1 h ago

Where u from ?

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Kovol 2 hs ago

Yet, the US was one of the first to suspend travel to and from China as well as problem areas like the EU.

But the big fuck up is on WHOs incompetence downplaying the initial outbreak early on and the fact this took place in China( a country with a long history of suppression factual information).

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kirime 1 h ago

China completely locked down 50 million people on January 23rd-25th. That's when everyone should've known that this is a serious situation and started preparing for a similar quarantine in their own country. The US had three times the amount of time and hundreds of times the amount of information and still didn't do anything. This big fuckup is definitely on Trump.

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Brother_tempus Vote for Nobody 49 mins ago

Dems be Dems

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Striking_Currency 1 h ago

The good news is that the national guard members who are going door to door are likely to be infected should NY residents be a legitimate risk and if there's a type of person I'm okay with getting the coronavirus, it's the people who'd comply with orders to do gestapo-esque door to door checks.

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Mist_Rising NAP doesn't apply to sold stolen goods 1 h ago

Nat Guard is likely to be wearing special suits for the job.

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rigel434 1 h ago

I say just don’t answer the door or their questions. Film them too

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DynaBro33 1 h ago

Holy shit. Probable cause schmobible cause.

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rigel434 1 h ago

Jews were also seen as a “threat”

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dzkrf 1 h ago

It's CNN. They created the genre of FUD porn

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puddinbattle 1 h ago

I think the main problem is it will do more as a “big brother play” than it will to stop there spread of disease, intentional or not.

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Spider939 25U 1 h ago

Boogaloo: Origins

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Spokker 1 h ago

Rhode Island ain't fucking around lol

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WiceMan 2 hs ago

I think we all understand why no one wants to be in NY right now. However seeking refuge in RI of all states and coming from NY atm is risky. There's no way to know for sure you aren't coming here asymptomatic and unknowingly spreading in a state that lack the resources.

I also want to mention other states are doing the same as us so acting like it's only RI being taking precautions.

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Redstalin88 2 hs ago

More like overstepping their powers this is not the 1940s you cant go door to door.

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Heartkine 2 hs ago

Oh, please. By Memorial Day, Rhode Island’s population doubles. As a state we are not prepared for this influx of Coronavirus patients. Yes there have been mistakes by our government, but RI is not preventing people from coming. And they are coming, just look at the grocery parking lots. The state is just simply getting information so when ultimately there is a severe outbreak of virus it can possibly be contained.

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bonfire_bug 3 hs ago

It’s interesting to see the differences between her and Baker. And especially seeing the comments from the locals on how each is leading. One isn’t doing enough and someone is going overboard seems to be the general consensus.

Basically, no ones going to be happy about the solutions. Suck it up and stay home everyone, let’s ride this out as smoothly as possible.

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brandnew_bitch 3 hs ago

And now I’ll leave this disgusting group of humans. Good luck.

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puddinbattle 3 hs ago

Rhode Island was still permitting elective surgeries until Friday. Preventing people from congregating in a hospital for unnecessary reasons seems like a much more effective prevention tactic than pulling them over and unenforceably telling them to self quarantine. The car stopping infringes rights, which is fine bc we’ve been ok with permitting right infringement for 20 years now (this is by far one of the more benign policies) but more importantly, it will probably have no impact in slowing disease spread.

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BlinkerBeforeBrake East Greenwich 1 h ago

"Elective" doesn't mean "unnecessary" - it just means the surgery is able to be scheduled and prepared for, and doesn't need to happen immediately. I had an 8 lb tumor removed in December that was pushing against my diaphragm and making breathing difficult. It was classified as elective because my doctors would have enough time to prep in advance.. Given, they put me on the books ASAP considering the circumstances. In hindsight, I'm very thankful all of that transpired before this madness.

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puddinbattle 1 h ago

Fine. They were doing unnecessary surgeries. If your mother wants to go into a dirty hospital for surgery this week, go ahead. But definitely don’t drive across a state border, bc apparently the state believes that’s a greater risk for spreading disease.

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PettiCasey 2 hs ago

My mother’s hip replacement was considered elective. I can assure you it was necessary. That term is fairly broad.

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jflbball 3 hs ago

False. The amount of headlines this has generated is enough for New Yorkers to know they are unwelcome and discouraged from traveling to RI. THAT'S the point of this.

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puddinbattle 1 h ago

I agree the headlines might help. Hopefully they have stronger tactics planned than discouraging interstate travel via headlines. What happens a when the entire police force draws down the limited mask supply making these traffic stops, gets sick, the union demands hazard pay, state gets bankrupted a little more quickly.

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ConservativeToilet 3 hs ago

This so blatantly unconstitutional, I can’t wait to see it smacked down.

States cannot impede interstate commerce.

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jflbball 3 hs ago

Knocking on someone's door to remind them to quarantine is unconstitutional? In what sense? This is actually trying to preserve life, liberty, and the pursuit. Do you tell your Amazon driver it's unconstitutional to put a package on your front steps?

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trabblepvd 1 h ago

Yes, intimidating people at the border, then showing up at the homes (good by castle doctrine) asking for their papers is wholly unconstitutional. It goes against the commerce clause, Privileges and Immunities Clause, the 14th Amendment, and possibly the 4th amendment as an illegal taking when they prevent them use of their property.

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OzMan63 2 hs ago

Pulling over drivers with New York license plates and searching for people from New York in Rhode Island via knocking on doors and asking violates prohibitions against searching individuals without suspicion.

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Appraisethelord1 54 mins ago

Isn’t people coming from a place of a known outbreak enough to warrant suspicion. I mean to contain a virus you need to go into some kind of lockdown. The country is just doing it step by step for some reason

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UltravioletClearance 56 mins ago

A cop can do all the door knocking and questioning he or she wants. There's *nothing* illegal about asking questions. In the same sense, a homeowner has the right to refuse to answer questions, and doesn't even have to answer the door for police without a warrant or other court order. Currently, these rights are being respected under this policy. As for pulling over vehicles... RI evoked its state of emergency powers to issue these mandatory shelter in place orders for NY residents. Refusal to self quarantine is violating an emergency order and a criminal offense. A police officer witnessing a vehicle with NY license plates can reasonably assume the driver of the vehicle is an NY resident. Since probable cause is not absolute cause, there is probable cause to conduct a stop because there is reasonable suspicion of a crime, principally violating the state of emergency order. You can come up with all the "what about..." scenarios you want, but they are in the very small minority.

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lovegiblet 3 hs ago

It’s the cops stopping the cars that’s unconstitutional. A license plate is not probable cause.

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puddinbattle 3 hs ago

The state government does not tell the Amazon driver not to put a package on my front steps.

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jflbball 3 hs ago

So how about the mailman asking for your signature? You guys are so ultra-technical you miss the forest from the trees. There is no big-brother play here you idiots! They are literally trying to contain a fucking virus that's been raging in NYC and we don't want it to rage here! STFU and wake up you morons!! Bravo on your technical brilliance. It will save you when you're in the ER.

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m012892 3 hs ago

Don’t bury the lede...who is crossing state lines to adopt a dog right now? Especially from NY.

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brandnew_bitch 4 hs ago

Thought Reddit was freedom of speech?? Anyone care to “school” me now?? EDUCATE YOURSELVES.

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Shagcat 3 hs ago

You're living in the dark ages, Reddit is shutting down and quarantining subs left and right. No free speech left here unless you agree with their politics.

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brandnew_bitch 3 hs ago

Thank you for telling me that. Appreciate that. I remember now. I only began using Reddit like a year ago.

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brandnew_bitch 3 hs ago

Right and that’s bullshit. Reddit used to be fun.

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brandnew_bitch 4 hs ago

Feel better? Here’s an upvote for you

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brandnew_bitch 4 hs ago

Who else wants some cause i’m serving up downvotes to the next person who is ignorant and fucking hateful. And if you don’t care about downvotes i don’t either, so 🤷🏻‍♀️

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jflbball 4 hs ago

This is the right move. She'll catch a ton of heat from the kumbaya crowd but this is a pragmatic, realist move to slow down the spread of this godforsaken virus.

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PeaceLazer 56 mins ago

I get being concerned about the spread of the virus, but are you really going to mock people worried about our civil liberties and the government expanding its power during a crisis period? Im guessing you were a big fan of the patriot act too?

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ThatWasABlaupunkt 1 h ago

The “kumbaya” crowd cares about your civil liberties.

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dmthemusician316 3 hs ago

What do you mean by saying catching a lot of heat from the kumbaya crowd?

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Allseeingretina 2 hs ago

The ACLU.

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jflbball 3 hs ago

The every-plane-is-a-contrail-bioweapon, conspiracy-theory, government-wants-my-dna-for-their-database crowd. This is not a big brother play by Gina. This move is designed to contain a raging virus that we don't want in RI. Anyone thinking otherwise is an idiot.

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PeaceLazer 49 mins ago

> The every-plane-is-a-contrail-bioweapon, conspiracy-theory, government-wants-my-dna-for-their-database crowd No. Its the “I want to maintain the civil liberties we have because the government has a long history of expanding its powers during crisis periods” crowd. Its not a conspiracy and has happened many times before Most people would be saying the exact same as you after the patriot act. Now we have illegal mass surveillance on citizens...

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Bronnakus 3 hs ago

They mean that the kumbaya crowd will be giving her a lot of heat, which she will catch, from the kumbaya crowd. What part of it was unclear?

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brandnew_bitch 4 hs ago

This post will weed em out for sure. Good luck to everyone not taking this seriously. You may not get it but this is airborne. Fuck you.

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Steve-2112 4 hs ago

Folks, obviously we all already know our devices track us, but now you are all getting to see the dystopian future where they (jack booted thugs) actually use the data to send men with guns to your house. COMPLY CITIZEN!

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brandnew_bitch 4 hs ago

Anyone hear that people on the frontlines can’t even have life saving masks because all the rich cunts in this country bought them out? This is ABSOLUTELY FUCKING DISGUSTING. And if you believe COVID 19 isn’t real then i wish you lots of luck.

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Praxiscat 1 h ago

I am just not leaving my house. That seems to work best. I am going to be a shut in forever.

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costpermille 1 h ago

The CDC's advice was suspect from the beginning: "don't wear masks, they don't help. Healthcare providers need the masks to protect them from the disease."

The Walking Dead's CDC was more effective than the one in reality, and the Walking Dead's CDC consisted of one lone survivor who ended up incinerating the CDC building along with him inside it.

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GJJP 1 h ago

Where to buy masks? They have been out of stocks for weeks.

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bigmikeylikes 1 h ago

Too bad you can't get any

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ANGELIVXXX 57 mins ago

DIY Masks work. The Czech Republic uses them. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EWpWmyjzM4sNBF-7jp_1Y9a-pqiRg0wakGXy7kj11RA/preview

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psilokan 1 h ago

My GF and I went out yesterday to pick up perscriptions and a few misc supplies that we needed from the drugstore (was a good opportunity to grab more eggs and milk, etc). We wore surgical (not n95) masks and gloves.

The store ended up having way more people than anticipated and only one other person had a mask. Most notably everyone was giving us the stink eye and staying far back from us like we were diseased (we both feel fine) so it at least did have a benefit of keeping people out of our 2m bubble.

I don't care what they think. We bought some early on back when they were first locking down Wuhan and no one thought it would be a thing here. I have some n95s stored away for when things get really bad but so far things are not too bad here in Canada. I just wish I bought more to distribute to more of my family and friends.

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songaboutadog 1 h ago

Wearing a bandana would at the least help stop you from spitting large droplets on to surfaces.

Before I stopped interacting totally with public spaces, I also carried a spray bottle filled with alcohol. I'd use it to clean gas pumps and stuff.

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ass_dimples 2 hs ago

Along these lines I hear wearing a plunger on your head will prevent the Corona virus. I know this is true because I saw it on Facebook

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ksanthra 2 hs ago

It's kinda bizarre to me as I've lived in China for years and there's no real debate about how useful masks are because it's well-known that it's not just about the person wearing the mask. People with colds often wear them to stop themselves spreading it to others.

If I'm on the subway and someone is sneezing I want that person to be wearing a mask to stop the aerosols filling up the subway car in seconds. It's much more worthwhile having that person wearing a mask and stopping most of the problem on the spot than everyone else wearing a mask to protect themselves.

The main point of surgical masks isn't to protect the doctor but to protect the patient. When germ theory became accepted science surgeons started washing their hands and eventually wore masks and post-surgery deaths dropped significantly.

Nowadays no one would be seen outside without a mask on in China because of the social shaming. People don't see it as a way of protecting themselves as much as anyone not wearing a mask is a threat to others. I can't go into a supermarket or 7-11 without a mask on. It's also a symbol that you give a fuck about the society you're in and that you care about doing the right thing for yourself and others as well.

I know it's easy to say because there just aren't enough masks but I don't know why people have the concept of masks so arse-backwards.

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SkidRowTrash 2 hs ago

It's too late, MSM and government have already lied to the people about masks being useless and to not wear them. Now the people you brainwashed furiously defend your fake news / lies. People should sue the fuck out of MSM and governments that spread these lies because people are going to die because of them.

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border_humper 1 h ago

It is disgusting to think lies lead to greater, faster spread. Had we had honesty in the beginning, we could have ample hand-sewn masks to share with everyone now.

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SkidRowTrash 1 h ago

Yeah it sucks.

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kabloink :flag-tx: Texas 2 hs ago

If people have masks left over from a project at home, they might as well use them. Hospitals are not accepting used dust covered N95 masks.

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4saken4ever 2 hs ago

Yeah I wore my homemade mask on a neighborhood walk and got mocked/shouted at by passers-by. It made me a bit scared to wear it out again tbh.

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iskin 2 hs ago

The CDC is expected to tell everyone to wear a mask outdoors within the next 10 days.

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Memetic1 2 hs ago

That dynamic is going to change within the next month. Especially if brave people like you do what's right. Just say that you have a cough if anyone messes with you.

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Unhinged_Goose 2 hs ago

NO! The medical professionals need them! Fuck you NT Times, you should know better!

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sleepytimegirl 2 hs ago

It’s not super hard to construct a non medical mask tho. Even The Who says a bandana is better than nothing. The crafting community would work to help get every American a washable and reuseable mask made of cotton with double ply. I’m waiting on a part for my sewing machine but then plan to make a ton out of cotton sheets I have in storage.

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tehmlem :flag-pa: Pennsylvania 2 hs ago

I mean they specifically mention that n95 masks aren't available but that simpler masks still provide a degree of protection.

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r4nd0mreddituser2020 2 hs ago

first they said MAsks are not going to help, now they said wear mask?

What should we listen to?

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PresidentDucksAss 2 hs ago

Should probably.

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BringOn25A 2 hs ago

Here are a couple resources for this.

Research Paper on potential effectiveness

CDC face masks https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/ppe-strategy/face-masks.html

If everyone wore masks, even not full surgical or N95, there is still a likely benefit to make a dent in transmission and reception of the virus. Even cutting it down as little as 10% will help. Leave the surgical and N95 for those most high risk.

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africabound 2 hs ago

exactly! https://aiki.info/masks/

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BringOn25A 2 hs ago

Outstanding resource, TY!!!

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justcallmemoonstar 2 hs ago

Duh.

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newcomer_ts 2 hs ago

While wearing a mask may not necessarily prevent healthy people from getting sick, and it certainly doesn’t replace important measures such as hand-washing or social distancing, it may be better than nothing, Dr. Atmar said.

Jesus H. Christ.

Sometimes, some people are simply beyond salvation.

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border_humper 1 h ago

I bet Dr. Atmar and his family wear masks every time they leave the house.

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DelusionAndIllusions 2 hs ago

Don't they work better as a way to limit the spread than as protection?

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Memetic1 2 hs ago

Which is kind of important right now. Especially with how many a asymptomatic carriers we have. If your standing in line at your local grocery store near someone with corona, and they wear even a DIY mask your chance of getting infected is less. If you as well are wearing a mask then your chances of escaping this disease is even better. I honestly don't know why this administration didn't just tell people to use DIY masks. It would send a clear message to people that things have changed. We might be able to tap into group psychology to change behavior.

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africabound 2 hs ago

https://aiki.info/masks/

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muskratsallyann 2 hs ago

i wear one to protect you, you wear one to protect me. if we all did this, transmission rates would fall.

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Middle_Eats 2 hs ago

Working in a hospital right now, and I IMMEDIATELY feel better if the person I am talking to has a face mask on. The people who get way too close to you, with no protection, are the ones that really upset me. How can you be so unthoughtful.

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midwestmuhfugga 2 hs ago

Yes. The problem is COVID-19 may make you sick and you'll never know you've had it. And by the time you DO show symptoms, you've been contagious for many days. I made a[ longer post elsewhere in this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/fqo2qe/more_americans_should_probably_wear_masks_for/flra82r).

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Richardsgore4 2 hs ago

You can just f off, I work in a nursing home as a nurse we don't have enough medical supplies as is.

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muskratsallyann 2 hs ago

Even a bandana slows \*outgoing\* droplets by 50%. Anyone in a hot zone, going out to grocery stores etc should be wearing something to try to slow the spread, given the reported high percentage of asymptomatic infections. Medical supplies definitely need to be directed to medical caregivers, but civilians can slow the spread by wrapping a scarf or bandana or even wearing a Lucha libre mask. (assuming it is one that covers the mouth and nose.) We shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good if there is a way to slow transmission.

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Richardsgore4 2 hs ago

Yes but once they are moist your not slowing anything down your just spreading your droplets everywhere with each cough. Im not afraid of the initial virus im afraid of a mutation of it. Please just stay home if you don't have to go out

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muskratsallyann 1 h ago

once again, we shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Maybe tell people to put a new bandana on when they get damp? I have read studies that point to the decrease in effectiveness of masks once damp for INCOMING pathogens, but haven't seen anything on decreased effectiveness of trapping outgoing spit and droplets if moist. do you have a source for your assertion?

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Richardsgore4 1 h ago

Im fine if they are changing them every time they get wet. I can't remember the source but per the standards of where I work if mask get wet you throw it out due to what you are stating above, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3306645/ This gives the inzit of why my nursing home does it this way of saying if its wet your not doing yourself or other any good. Im not trying to argue with you im just worried for everyone's safety cause all it takes is one person to kill alot of people at risk.

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africabound 2 hs ago

which mutation in particular are you afraid of? https://nextstrain.org/ncov

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Richardsgore4 1 h ago

Im not an epidemiologist so i can't properly explain that information, all it takes is one mutation on the virus to cause issues if we get back to life to fast

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africabound 1 h ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fazaam/is_there_any_chance_that_a_mutation_could_have/fj1aj4f/

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africabound 2 hs ago

https://aiki.info/masks/ Everyone should be wearing at least a homemade mask so they don't spread their own germs. If I'm infected and don't know it, and I'm wearing a mask then the likelihood of me spreading the virus goes way down. Hell even a bandana would help me not spread it so take your attitude and turn your thinking around.

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Richardsgore4 2 hs ago

Stay home, wash our hands, cough into your sleeve. Once the bandana is wet or moist its just spreading germs with every cough. Again stay home wash your hands and cough into your sleeve then wash your hands again. Also until you have been in those hospitals with the nurses and doctors who are saving lives around the world dont tell me or them to calm down.

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africabound 2 hs ago

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HLrm0pqBN_5bdyysOeoOBX4pt4oFDBhsC_jpblXpNtQ/preview#heading=h.2507ycoep76o

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Richardsgore4 2 hs ago

Please keep your Google documents to your self, follow the guidelines set by the cdc. Dont send me your diy mask ideas find the correct materials at least and make them from that if your going diy route but do spread information not recommended by the cdc, fda, or world health organization

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Timbershoe 2 hs ago

Yes, that’s the effective use for the general public. A basic mask helps prevent you spreading to others, it does very little to prevent you catching anything.

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africabound 2 hs ago

honestly if you read the source materials referenced in the link I sent, you see that even homemade masks offer protection from respiratory illnesses to varying degrees. I recommend you research the available science before spreading disinformation. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HLrm0pqBN_5bdyysOeoOBX4pt4oFDBhsC_jpblXpNtQ/preview#heading=h.2507ycoep76o

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Memetic1 2 hs ago

Ok what about DIY masks? Is it ok if we make our own Face shields from soda bottles? I'm actually part of a group 3d printing masks for healthcare workers. We are always looking for more feedback from healthcare professionals. If you think what we are doing won't work then we need to hear that. Just please take a look at what we are doing. We're called COVID HomeBrew Mask Relief on Facebook groups.

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Richardsgore4 2 hs ago

Also if you can get the correct materials they use per cdc/fda guidelines and make them then go for it I would order as many as possible and send them to places in need.

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Richardsgore4 2 hs ago

It's all about the material, and how they fit heres the link to the FDA, about the difference of a surgical mask and n95 https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/n95-respirators-and-surgical-masks-face-masks#s4 We need groups like yours but you have to make sure your making them the right way or you shouldn't even use a mask

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Memetic1 1 h ago

Thank you for that. We're making them in the N95 style, but using stuff like cut up airfilters. I made sure that everyone knows about the fiberglass issue, which is something you see in really cheap airfilters. We are absolutely trying our best to do all the research we can in terms of best practices. Please take a look at what we do I think you maybe pleasantly surprised. We are a global team with a significant amount of 3d printers laser cutters and other gear.

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andhisdogspot 2 hs ago

This.

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DanksAgain 2 hs ago

Or I’ll just not touch my face and wash my hands.

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TimmyB52 2 hs ago

If you're in close contact w other people you can breathe the virions right in, then and there. Or visa versa. Washing would not matter. Masks work.

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muskratsallyann 2 hs ago

cool, but if you consider 1/2 of all infections might be asymptomatic, if we all wore masks, assuming any of us could be a carrier, we could slow the spread to others.

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africabound 2 hs ago

Exactly right! spread the word! #masks4all

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RandomUserC137 2 hs ago

Even a folded bandanna or some kind of neck gaiter would help. The idea is to reduce aerosol intake, so any fine cloth that could and least trap some is better than none.

Also, if you need to go out for groceries, please wear some nitrile or latex gloves if you have them. Put them on when you get out of the car, take them off after you open the car door (look up how to properly remove gloves).

Both items are one-time use only. The mouth cover can be cleaned, but the gloves should get tossed.

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naturalist2 2 hs ago

What about reusing after 74 hours, which seems to be the amount of time the virus can survive on a surface. I noticed the upvote, and thank you, but I do want to be very clear that that was a question and not a suggestion because I have no idea if that 74 hours is actually correct.

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Memetic1 2 hs ago

So I bought a few N95 masks right as the news from China was coming out. I opened and used it before the request to not use masks came out. So unfortunately I couldn't donate the masks. I have read that U.V. might disinfect masks. So I have been leaving it out under a window. I'm just wondering is that a decent way to disinfect them. I don't leave the house unless I have to so typically I'm leaving the mask out for a few days flipping it each day.

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iskin 2 hs ago

Google it but I believe you can bake it at a low temp for a short amount of time.

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MoltenUniverse California 3 hs ago

Are dust masks any good? I mean if people are wearing cloth or homemade masks

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Memetic1 2 hs ago

Ok first a word about vacuum cleaner bags. I'm part of a homebrew mask relief group on Facebook, and we found out that unfortunately many of them are made partially with fiberglass. I've had almost no luck contacting manufacturers regarding general safety. So I would recommend avoiding those at this point. The next best material was a dish cloth. I would make your mask so that it doesn't come in direct contact with your face. You can also make DIY face shields using plastic bottles. Especially for example the giant water jugs that purified water comes in. If you just cut it up in a few sections, punch a few holes into it, and use a bit of string you can make a serviceable Facemask. It may look funny, but it will also stop you from touching your face in public. https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/

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MediumFast 3 hs ago

i'm not afraid of coronavirus. i just wear a medical mask because it makes me look good. Damn Good!

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Memetic1 2 hs ago

I think long term integrating masks into our fashion culture might not be a bad idea. There is also the privacy angle with facial recognition. I would love to see it become a long term consumer item. I think we all may be far safer. I'm working with a group that's trying to make them more reusable. Once I get my 3d printer set up then I'm thinking of mounting U.V. lights inside. So that they just shine on the filter itself, and aren't a hazard to the healthcare worker or people around them.

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itsafraid 2 hs ago

Anything that obscures my features improves my looks.

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fowlraul :flag-or: Oregon 3 hs ago

If you are going to be within coughing distance of other people, a mask would be great. I wish everyone had access to masks. The WH task force should make that happen. But will they? 🤔

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africabound 2 hs ago

https://aiki.info/masks/ Make one!

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fowlraul :flag-or: Oregon 1 h ago

I saw that they were also making masks with bras. I’m interested to see how bra fetish guys are going to handle this.

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lcy0x1 6 hs ago

第二波要来了？不过我很好奇这是预防性措施还是反应性措施？这里的人都在说是第二波来了政府在掩盖感染死亡人数的证据，但是我觉得既然第一波栽跟头了这更有可能是预防性措施？

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TropicalKing Yesterday

At this rate, I'll never get my job back. California isn't as good at virus containment as China is.

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VoliBeast Yesterday

Disney is like screaming, Mulan is supposed to release pretty soon

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TheTrickyThird Yesterday

Disney, out of ANYONE, can take the hit. Oh fucking well

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pw5a29 Yesterday

Haha no new cases in the whole country

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AchillesOnAMountain Yesterday

Don't trust China.

Their numbers are missing a zero.

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fretit Yesterday

I thought there were no more new cases.

Oh wait, they were lying?

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scott01019 Yesterday

Seems like a strange move for a country which hasn’t reported a significant spike in new cases...

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ThePsyentificMethod Yesterday

That’s so weird because they haven’t had a new coronavirus case in the entire country for weeks.

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sesameseed88 Yesterday

Hate to break it to everyone but plenty of cities in China still on very very limited outtings. We have to mentally prepare for the long haul. Even those who do go out are wearing masks, and all public service employees are still wearing fill hazmat type suits in my hometown.

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HopefulInDespair Yesterday

Misleading Headline - They opened 600 out of 70,000 and closed those 600 again. So they did a very conservative test run and decided now is not yet the time to reopen.

If anything this gives confidence that the system is working as it should. We can't keep everything closed forever. We need to find ways to reopen and adapt. So it's back to the drawing board for China on how to reopen this sector.

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OutOfBananaException Yesterday

Agree, it's tiring reading speculation it's still out of control in China when their actions suggest otherwise. That it's at manageable levels now, but only so long as they continue with crippling quarantine measures.

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GordonColeSaysWHAT Yesterday

They're renting new movies in the UK on VOD... for £15.99. Why would I rent a movie for £15.99 when I can rent one 3 months old for £5.49?

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things_will_calm_up Yesterday

What does this have to do with Chinese theaters?

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coramaro Yesterday

"we have 0 new cases, all new cases come from the outside" btw

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juderm Yesterday

I was in the movies or box office sub and everyone was downvoting me to hell for saying it was a bad idea to reopen them.

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alittlejolly Yesterday

It seems that they haven't beaten the virus quite yet.

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UnscSpartan23 Yesterday

On a positive note that theater looks really neat.

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Gre4tDepr3ssion Yesterday

I have a feeling in 30 years there will be a HBO TV show just like "Chernobyl". Only it will about how China covered up the spread and the impact (positive tests and deaths) of the Coronavirus.

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HokieSteel Yesterday

Happy cake day!

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alisha40s Yesterday

*When the truth offends, we lie and lie until we can no longer remember it is even there, but it is still there. Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid.*

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frigyeah 13 hs ago

That's one hell of a quote.

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2vetements Yesterday

Whose quote?

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taterthotsalad Yesterday

>"Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid." [Valery Legasov](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valery_Legasov) Source:S1.Ep5: Vichnaya Pamyat ["Chernobyl", HBO](https://www.hbo.com/chernobyl)

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liupang Yesterday

Opening up cinema was the Chinese version of "beautiful Easter". I am happy China govt had come to their senses to realize it was a mistake. Besides, nobody is willing to go to cinemas at this time, and the box office for last week is almost zero.

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donotgogenlty Yesterday

Everything is fine. - China

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mcmanybucks Yesterday

What's that?

Could China have been lying about their people suddenly all recovering?

Say it ain't so.

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SeraphimEx18 Yesterday

I'm gonna say it.

Lol, get fucked Hollywood!

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Tailtappin Yesterday

Totally on board with that...Hollywood sucks more than ever. However, it's what it says about China's claims that should rattle people.

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Vahlir Yesterday

China's playing a dangerous game. I wonder if someone is going to leak the actual numbers, and then you know, be disappeared.

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-Newest-Redditor- Yesterday

they probably keep going to ICU before finishing the count

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sonofjim Yesterday

“[Restricted] was found to have a case of Covid-19, and was taken to the hospital where [Restricted] died upon arrival.”

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AffectionateMove9 Yesterday

It won't even be that, they'll say that the person died of other causes. They have been doing the same in Iran.

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11greymatter Yesterday

A country needs to come out of lockdown eventually. Currently, nobody knows exactly when is the best time do it, or what are the best practices for lifting a lockdown. China is taking small steps, e.g. re-opening the cinemas, and then observing what happens, and adjust accordingly.

Isn't that the correct and responsible way of dealing with a lockdown?

Sure, China will get some stuff wrong. And China is touchy about people reporting about its missteps. But so long as any missteps are detected fast enough, and then corrected, isn't that what we expect from any government?

There is a tendency to put all of China's actions under the microscope, something we don't do to any other government. China put 50 million people into quarantine on Jan 23. What has your government done since Jan 24? Was everything done perfectly?

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-if-Drathuas Yesterday

Reminder China is lying about the situation, it’s still going rampant in China, I have video proof but it won’t let me post it

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lost_man_wants_soda Yesterday

Please be safe China.

Everybody we know they’re lying.

But if they can’t get back to normal.

We ain’t either.

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happyscrappy Yesterday

Oh yeah. Shutting all those cinemas will cut down on the "imported" infections which are occurring.

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mimblezimble Yesterday

Liquid network seems to allow borrowing bitcoins.

The number one reason for borrowing bitcoins is to dump a massive amount of these borrowed bitcoins all in one go, cause panic, and then buy them back at a cheaper price.

It looks like they intend to thoroughly industrialize their price-suppression strategy ...

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chrisrico Yesterday

>Liquid network seems to allow borrowing bitcoins. Care to explain?

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mimblezimble 13 hs ago

This liquid network will create a stagnant pool of bitcoins. What guarantee do we have that the centralized exchanges involved ("trusted liquid functionaries") will not lend out these bitcoins to speculators who will dump them all in one go, cause panic, and then buy them back at a cheaper price? The concept of "trust" seems to include that we "trust" these "trusted" liquid functionaries not to lend out bitcoins with which speculators can short the bitcoin price. Furthermore, if enough "trusted" liquid functionaries happens to become bankrupt -- just like the banks, they obviously all tend to go bankrupt all at the same time -- how do we exchange the LBTC back for BTC? The liquid system seems to assume that its trusted functionaries do not all simultaneously fail. Where is the lender of last resort to prevent that?

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bitusher Yesterday

Liquid is a really neat product but i was a bit pissed off when Adam was fear mongering lightning, while promoting liquid a while back.

IMHO it should stay focused on liquidity and arbitrage for exchanges and professional traders

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MrRGnome Yesterday

Peter Todd and Jack Mallers were roughing up ol' man Back a little bit at unconfiscatable this year over his lightning views. Pretty [good watch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGUH-lKO0k0&t=1h41m21s) if you enjoy some light-hearted elder abuse.

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bitusher Yesterday

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the_bob Yesterday

Related news: the minimum transaction fee rate on Liquid dropped from 1 sat per vbyte to 0.1 sat!

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