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DefiantClone 1 h ago

They don’t care about right or wrong or rights, they just want to cause harm and destruction.

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SoThisIsABadUsername Conservative 11 hs ago

Someone in government needs to man the fuck up and do something

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spike_that_focker 11 hs ago

CALL JG WENTWORTH

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YourMom1285 11 hs ago

877 CASH NOW!!!!

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A-A-RonAutist Yesterday

All these conservatives forget about the Tea Party!

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skarface6 Easter Worshipper 10 hs ago

Where they avoided all private property and came back the next day to make restitution for the only bit of it they damaged? Where they destroyed government property in a focused way for a specific effect and nothing else? There’s basically no good comparison with the riots in DC and the Tea Party beyond government property being involved. Go back to whatever lefty subreddit you come from, please.

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Natetendo83 Conservative 10 hs ago

Yea I forgot the part where they burned Boston to the ground afterwards. Somehow that didn’t make the history lessons.

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SomeGiantSpaceSnake 10 hs ago

The Boston Tea Party activists took special care to only destroy the British tea. They even replaced a broken padlock that belonged to one of the ships' captain.

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ArctiClove Yesterday

Decent americans vs thugs. I do not think anyone forgot!

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Jet-Age 11 hs ago

nice dog whistle

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ngoni Constitutional Conservative 10 hs ago

That's the word [Obama used](https://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2015/04/29/obama-white-house-baltimore-stephanie-rawlings-blake/26585143/) and it is still applicable.

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lastbastion Party of Lincoln 10 hs ago

If you are the only one that can hear the whistle then doesn't that make you the dog?

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A-A-RonAutist 11 hs ago

All Americans are decent. The thugs are those in office

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waternapple 11 hs ago

The thugs are also out leveling Minneapolis

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A-A-RonAutist 11 hs ago

Same thugs that threw tea in the harbor eh? Those "thugs" just breached the Federal Reserve too and put the White House on lock down. Like or not, this is happening.

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ArctiClove 10 hs ago

Ahh. We all learned in school how Sam Adam's and the sons of liberty beat up women in wheelchairs and burned down stores and homes. The rioters are thugs, which contrasts the hero's that helped found the greatest country on earth. See the difference?

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socialismnotevenonce 10 hs ago

The Tea Party only destroyed foreign imported Tea to send a message. They didn't burn their own city to the ground in a statement of anarchy.

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SavvyEquestrian 11 hs ago

They didn't burn down private property and rip apart the livelihood of unattached peoples during the Boston Tea Party.. Basically noboby is claiming that the situation with the officer is okay, it's fucking bad, but burning down your community does nothing to solve or remedy the situation. Nothing.

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actuallyboa Yesterday

Apparently they spray painted “F- Trump” and “Keep it real b-“

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D4rk50ul Yesterday

Someone has an agenda.. These definitely aren't protestors they are activists and criminals.

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Pollaski Mug Club Yesterday

All thst to spraypaint "bitch" on a plaque.

Fight the system!

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Rabidraccoon76 Rand Paul Conservative Yesterday

Spoiler alert: There’s nothing there but an IOU

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geronl72 Reagan conservative Yesterday

lock and load

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GuerillaTill :friedman: Milton Friedman 39 mins ago

I’m all for this, but how does this fair for the Brexiters? The movement was widely fueled by populist, anti-immigration sentiment.

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Clashlad :commonwealth: Commonwealth 28 mins ago

Some of it was. Amongst the intellectual side however there was an arguably global vision as envisaged by those such as Johnson. A lot of their reasoning behind leaving was the ability to negotiate our own trade deals freely etc. I was against Brexit but I hope this is the route we go down, no point arguing about staying in or out now, we're out and we should make the most of the new opportunities we have as a result. I personally believe this is our chance to start becoming much more closely knit with the Commonwealth, something I believe has been neglected due to the EU.

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ldn6 :eu: European Union 1 h ago

Or just develop it in the huge amounts of brownfield land in the cores of Manchester and Birmingham.

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Clashlad :commonwealth: Commonwealth 48 mins ago

This is something that we should already be doing anyway.

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youlostthewarwehrs :commonwealth: Commonwealth 1 h ago

AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE

OI OI OI

For a start, we have a similar climate, larger land and a shorter distance. Topped with a similar-sized existing Cantonese diaspora compared to Britain.

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Clashlad :commonwealth: Commonwealth 52 mins ago

By all means, I think the Commonwealth should be united on this and more united in general so absolutely.

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youlostthewarwehrs :commonwealth: Commonwealth 38 mins ago

Make the Commonwealth into a free trade bloc when?

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Clashlad :commonwealth: Commonwealth 31 mins ago

Make the Commonwealth into a ~~free trade bloc~~ **superstate** when?

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youlostthewarwehrs :commonwealth: Commonwealth 25 mins ago

Canadian generals coordinating Gurkhas calling in air support from South African pilots while Australian artillery is being supplied by Indian Logistics trains, operating on British intelligence.

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PunishedOdysseus :nato: NATO 2 hs ago

....The Isle of Wight?

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CaffeinatedQuant 3 hs ago

Quick someone resurrect JJ Cowperthwaite

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Dr_Vesuvius :lamb: Norman Lamb 5 hs ago

There is a reason why those areas of land do not already have cities in them.

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Cuddlyaxe :mankiw: Neoliberal With Chinese Characteristics 4 hs ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Clearances

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Dr_Vesuvius :lamb: Norman Lamb 4 hs ago

I mean Ok, let’s take the Highlands as an example - does anyone think there is a reasonable chance of millions of people, including Hongkongers who think 14 degrees is cold, relocating to an isolated part of Scotland with extremely poor communications links to the rest of Britain, never mind the world. If something like this is to have a non-negligible chance of success then it isn’t enough to say “there, that’s a city now”. It needs roads, sewage, water, electricity, heating, streetlights, broadband, and probably an international airport before it starts to look attractive to anyone.

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Clashlad :commonwealth: Commonwealth 3 hs ago

I don't think anyone would suggest building it in the Highlands. After WWII loads of cities were created in the UK, I don't see why it couldn't be done after coronavirus.

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Awakeruad :popper: Karl Popper 5 hs ago

The plan for Brexit was to build "Singapore on the North Sea" by dismantling the welfare state and dramatically lowering corporate tax rates, so...

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longlivedeath :eu: European Union 49 mins ago

> dismantling the welfare state Only in the imagination of people who read The Guardian. > dramatically lowering corporate tax rates This would be Good Actually, but is not happening either.

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Stainonstainlessteel :hayek: Friedrich Hayek 1 h ago

I don't know how does promising a a baijilion pounds on the NHS constitute dismantling the welfare state. That was definitely not the plan.

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BipartizanBelgrade :nato: NATO 1 h ago

>Scruffy haired man bad.

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Clashlad :commonwealth: Commonwealth 4 hs ago

There were 50 million opposing Brexit plans and none of them have come into fruition yet.

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atleastafool :soros: Deport succs 5 hs ago

> by dismantling the welfare state When did this happen?

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MrsPhyllisQuott Blighty 5 hs ago

Singapore already exists, and I wouldn't want to live there.

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Cuddlyaxe :mankiw: Neoliberal With Chinese Characteristics 5 hs ago

Boris playing 7d Mancala by settling Hong Kongers in the Scottish Highlands to defeat independence movements and the SNP

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Stainonstainlessteel :hayek: Friedrich Hayek 1 h ago

This but unironically

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Clashlad :commonwealth: Commonwealth 4 hs ago

Lol I was thinking this.

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bugmerot 11 hs ago

A new city, made up of some of the most productive and innovative people on earth, drawing in new talent and investment from all around the world.

Why would they leave London for it?

it could be one of the few places in the British Isles where young people can move and hope for both a well-paid job and a house they can afford.

I don't imagine those houses will be cheap for very long.

Doesn't seem much substance to it, but just glossy 2.0 buzzwords.

Is the UK that much of a loss outside of London that it can't invest in the places already there?

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Dave112211 1 h ago

>Why would they leave London for it? Because london is a overpriced crime ridden shithole >Is the UK that much of a loss outside of London that it can't invest in the places already there? It has bren able yo for years london chooses not to

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Fineus United Kingdom 6 hs ago

> I don't imagine those houses will be cheap for very long. Seriously. If there's well paid jobs and houses that are cheap, why would only young people go there? Why wouldn't older people (even in their 30's upwards) take advantage... and just like magic, demand forces a rise in cost.

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GaussWanker Somerset 4 hs ago

Even without people going there, landlords would snap up everything. Housing is seen an an investment not a necessity, and until that changes, it'll be as expensive as it can be.

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VelarTAG post Brexit City State of London Yesterday

We could build it right at the end of Heathrow's third runway, just to make them nostalgic.

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CNeilC 1 day ago

I love HK ( live there ) but there are serious social and economic issues underpinning society as a result of their economic model. Think apartments the size of parking spaces costing 400k gbp, think of families living in 400 sq ft, think of extensive monopolies and duopolies, think of “cage” homes, think of poverty and lack of opportunity. UK would have to accept a significant underclass to go with a HK model. HK gini greter than 50 ( highest in developed world ) vs UK circa 30. Dont build HK in UK but do welcome all freedom loving ( ie not CCP supporters ) HKers.

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AngloAlbannach2 1 day ago

Slight problem.

HK island is one of the most beautiful islands on this earth, she can't be replicated elsewhere.

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easyfeel 1 day ago

Some say they'll be welcomed by other countries too and go to Canada.

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didroe 1 day ago

This is a strange article. It seems very disjointed/badly argued. The narrative is something like:

Hong Kong was great due to it's location and liberal economy
Singapore is also great (this is also for similar reasons but nothing stated in the article)
Other places in the world might have similar "opportunities"
Let's set up a low tax jurisdiction in the UK (curveball)

Looks up the guy's credentials. Ah, he's from the Adam Smith Institute.

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Osmium_tetraoxide apply "fusion doctrine" against Climate Change 1 day ago

Was the author huffing petrol again? We wouldn't allow this ramble as a self text post, but you join some 'think tank' to launder your idea, makes sense.

Why not, let these adam smith institutes fanatics build another privatised state inside another. Worked great for the city of london, not so much the rest of us.

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LingCHN 1 day ago

But it is nowhere near enough: there are only 300,000 current BN(O) passport holders out of Hong Kong’s 7.5 million residents (though many more are eligible), and many have family members who they could not leave behind because people born after 1997 cannot get them.

The real solution is to found a new city and open it up to all Hong Kongers and Brits who want to move there. A Hong Kong 2.0, right here in the British Isles.

The author hasn't learned a lesson from Brexit.

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ObjectiveRule6 Eco; 0.5 Social; -5.9 1 day ago

I don't think anybody has. Literally nobody. Idk what to think of Brexit except "something's broken here idk how to solve it, Eh, I'll just move somewhere else if it gets to broken" (Impressive patriotism ikr, at least I won't be competing for visas , if it gets too fucked because Irish dual-national) Most Leavers haven't discovered yet that politics of hate and division don't actual work when running a country. it's like the entire affair was meaningless and is only gouig make half the country feel shit while the other half sort of just wonders why everybody is less healthy and blaming the fact that stuff costs more on migrants.

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RabidRab Conservative Communist 1 day ago

I'm not exactly a fan of this - or indeed any plan involving globalist investment as a pillar of the economy - but what I really don't understand is why this would require the creation of a new city; London basically already fits the bill of a financial hub already, so why not just make the city (ie the city proper) its own little charter area rather than build a new one?

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Pleberal Yesterday

Three reasons. 1. Housing stock, London is crowded and overpriced. 2. Balance of the UK. We are already hugely London centric, making that even more true is undesirable. 3. Devolution, any 'New Hong Kong" wants to have thing's like bilingual signage. Some autonomy like wales. The more ambitious versions of this seek a hong kong city state as a new home nation.

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DillyisGOODATPOLTICS 1 day ago

How about no?

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Gooner1798 1 day ago

Building New Hong Kong in Britain would be brilliant, but where would it be?

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lime-green2 -4.63 , -7.69 1 day ago

Is this a joke? We've got more important things to do than create an entire city from nothing. I'm in favour of allowing Hong Kong citizens to move to the UK (including those born after 97) but they shouldn't just be put in one new city.

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oCerebuso Economic Left/Right: -7.0 Social Libertarian/Autho 1 day ago

I've said it before that HK citizens are tbe nicest I've worked with and will welcome them (chefs first) with open arms so long as we dont have to conform to their work ethic.

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FireWankWithMe 1 day ago

Why couldn’t we apply a similar principle to other parts of the world where good governance is in short supply, like Latin America or Sub-Saharan Africa?

Wow, that’s not even neocolonialism, that’s a current year call for literal colonialism.

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mediumredbutton 1 day ago

Relatedly, the civil service (supposedly jokingly) once wrote up a plan to use settlement of HKers into Northern Ireland to try defuse the tensions created by the time they settled Scots into Ireland to try to subjugate the locals: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/03/uk-officials-discussed-resettling-55m-hong-kong-chinese-in-northern-ireland

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OBSTACLE3 1 day ago

China wants to ruin your location

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Diogo Mónica - @diogomonica

RT @AriDavidPaul: Sometimes the historic and symbolic happens and it’s barely noticed. A reporter arrested by state police while on live TV. This can only go in one direction. Twitter, CNN etc can’t put people in jail. Government can. That’s why I fear the state and not the media platforms. https://t.co/4xu9rsHmMj

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Arclegger - @Arclegger

RT @CNN: Minnesota police arrest CNN reporter and camera crew as they report from protests in Minneapolis https://t.co/oZdqBti776 https://t.co/3QbeTjD5ed

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Pieter Wuille - @pwuille

RT @Delafina777: This is some fucking V for Vendetta shit. The reporter is just standing there, calmly reporting, with an entire CNN camera crew and producer, and the police just suddenly arrest him. https://t.co/FKhFpAdbok

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Chris Burniske - @cburniske

RT @AriDavidPaul: Sometimes the historic and symbolic happens and it’s barely noticed. A reporter arrested by state police while on live TV. This can only go in one direction. Twitter, CNN etc can’t put people in jail. Government can. That’s why I fear the state and not the media platforms. https://t.co/4xu9rsHmMj

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ecurrencyhodler - @ecurrencyhodler

This was a violation of the 1st amendment (free speech) and 4th amendment (police officer has to tell you why you're under arrest). Martial law is here. https://t.co/f487Jp8ZKf

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Laura Shin - @laurashin

This gives me the chills. Clear violation of the First Amendment, which we can watch with our own eyes. This is not our country. https://t.co/nKSzHjVtjg

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Cameron Hejazi - @chejazi

RT @AriDavidPaul: Sometimes the historic and symbolic happens and it’s barely noticed. A reporter arrested by state police while on live TV. This can only go in one direction. Twitter, CNN etc can’t put people in jail. Government can. That’s why I fear the state and not the media platforms. https://t.co/4xu9rsHmMj

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Prof Emeritus Squeeze - @cryptoSqueeze

RT @CNN: Minnesota police arrest CNN reporter and camera crew as they report from protests in Minneapolis https://t.co/oZdqBti776 https://t.co/3QbeTjD5ed

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Martin Köppelmann - @koeppelmann

RT @timpritlove: The Failed States of America https://t.co/5i0cyUxJvH

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Amber - @AmberBaldet

RT @CNN: Minnesota police arrest CNN reporter and camera crew as they report from protests in Minneapolis https://t.co/oZdqBti776 https://t.co/3QbeTjD5ed

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Ari Paul - @AriDavidPaul

Sometimes the historic and symbolic happens and it’s barely noticed. A reporter arrested by state police while on live TV. This can only go in one direction. Twitter, CNN etc can’t put people in jail. Government can. That’s why I fear the state and not the media platforms. https://t.co/4xu9rsHmMj

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Ran NeuNer - @cryptomanran

What’s the difference between the USA and China? https://t.co/d6G6jFBhOd

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- @Jose_Pagliery

This is wrong, and you are watching police violate our First Amendment rights to inform the American public. #1A https://t.co/ZMSox2KcxM

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Bill Tai (KiteVC) - @KiteVC

RT @medickinson: Another “is this real?” story coming from Minneapolis - we talked about a new normal coming after COVID, I hope this isn’t it 😢 https://t.co/DfpvoniMwj

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Pangurbon Yesterday

2020 will go down as one of the shittiest years in my lifetime that's for sure. Little stories like this are just icing on the shitcake.

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Sublime-K :eu: European Union Yesterday

To be fair and balanced, journalism is an unacceptable crime in Trumps America and these journalists should have known better

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FallsZero :paine: Thomas Paine Yesterday

Before y’all freak out, you should get mpd has had a lot of race issues in the past so their department is a problem

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aX10mAt1CaL1Y Yesterday

Arresting journalists tho? That’s only supposed to happen in dictatorships. Not America.

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Sathern9 Yesterday

No, America is going full white supremacy now.

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Zenzayy Yesterday

Actual 3rd world country monkaS

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HotlineHero Yesterday

Longer video shows them all getting arrested.

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boot20 No Concentration Camps Yesterday

So mental note, never go to Minnesota because the cops are shit.

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MakeAmericaSuckLess Eradicate Malarkey Yesterday

This isn't just a Minnesota problem.

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NimusNix Yesterday

What in the actual fuck just happened?

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YallerDawg Yesterday

You can be arrested in Minnesota for being black while reporting the news, but not for murdering a black man on tv in front of multiple witnesses - and recorded live.

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Scrumshiz Yesterday

I actually woke up to it as it happened. What a pleasant start to the day.

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asdfgtttt Yesterday

"I thought this was America?" - Randy Marsh
"This is America." - Childish Gambino

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SireRequiem Yesterday

So, remember those stories of the White Supremacy jerks infiltrating the police force? I think we just found one of their nests. And Trump’s threatening a new Boston Massacre to make sure they stay there. If I were in a position of power there, I’d’ve ordered the police chief to arrest the murderous cops and to do a transparent internal review of the entire local force.

Now, that would have to be the tip of a huge iceberg to stop this backlash.

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AbdullahAbdulwahhab Yesterday

An employee of the news channel that the unhinged President has been calling the enemy of the people for 4 years. Total coincidence, no doubt...

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Malarkeynesian Yesterday

I don't think Trump has control of the local police forces.

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secondsbest :krugman: Paul Krugman Yesterday

Authoritative influence is a control.

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Malarkeynesian Yesterday

I concede the point.

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AbdullahAbdulwahhab Yesterday

I think a lot of them are fans of his and absorbed four years of his fascist anti-media propaganda.

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QuigleyQ 11 hs ago

The head of the Minneapolis PD [certainly is](https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/10/10/bob-kroll-head-of-minneapolis-police-union-speaks-at-trump-rally/). He's also a [controversial](https://m.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-union-offers-free-warrior-training-in-defiance-of-mayor-s-ban/509025622/) figure for [many reasons](https://twincitiesgdc.org/2015/11/29/kroll-report/). He's a disgrace and he can't be gone soon enough.

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rickroll62 Yesterday

Did he just get arrested because he's black.

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YawnDeficit Yesterday

I can't even imagine something like this happening in my country. It just wouldn't happen.

This is insanity and it's not good enough for your leaders to say "oops, sorry about that" and brush it away like it means nothing.

Frederick Douglass would be rolling in his grave.

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TouchTheCathyl :nato: NATO Yesterday

Literally jailing journalists for being black.

I was wrong, things are changing. It's getting worse.

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brberg :cowperthwaite: John Cowperthwaite Yesterday

I get that you really want that to be the case, but that's a hell of a leap. Edit: [Oh, look](https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/29/media/reporters-arrest-minneapolis-first-amendment/index.html): > Despite this, Jimenez was taken into custody along with producer Bill Kirkos and photojournalist Leonel Mendez. Bill Kirkos is white. Why these three were arrested and Campbell wasn't, I don't know. Campbell was in a different location, interacting with different officers. The arrests do not appear to have been justified, but I don't know what happened prior to when the recording started. White people are often arrested at protests on equally questionable bases, but nobody says they were arrested "just for being white." You cannot assume that any unjustified arrest of a non-white person was made on the basis of race. All that aside, it's ridiculous to conclude on the basis of a single incident that "things are getting worse." The eagerness with which OP jumped to that conclusion suggests a certain unseemly thirst for an excuse to believe that.

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WildRookie Yesterday

If you watch the video, there's a sizable delay between arresting Jimenez and the rest of his team. Watching the video without much context I literally questioned if they were going to only arrest the black guy.

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NotJoshLyman :bernanke: Ben Bernanke Yesterday

A white CNN journalist a block away was merely asked to move out of the street to allow the police to pass. https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/29/omar-jimenez-arrest-analysis-berman-josh-campbell-newday-vpx.cnn

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Sourdough330 Yesterday

Blocks away, a white CNN journalist was politely asked for the same reason, not arrested

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narrative_device Yesterday

Nah. Shit's pretty fucked up. This is not what a healthy society looks like. I would have thought any regular in this sub would have a healthy respect for critical social institutions like the freedom of a strong and independent press?

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Deadtunes13 Yesterday

I bet a bunch of these cops, especially some of the ones giving orders, are Klansmen. Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses.

I would also bet that they didn't know the camera was live, even though the guy told them.

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iamnotinterested2 Yesterday

In his speeches, Erdoğan regularly vilifies journalists as “terrorists” while stoking fears of terrorism among his voters. He frequently eschews facts and voices conspiracy theories, including the idea that Turkey’s allies are secretly working to undermine the country’s supposed economic might.

When three senior editors resigned from one of the last independent publications in Russia last week, it was condemned as yet another sign of the mounting pressures on journalists under president Vladimir Putin’s rule.

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Nomad79 Yesterday

It’s all a smokescreen to cover up the killing. The idea is to have people think about this instead of that. Jus sayin.

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Mo3636 Yesterday

You couldn't write this shit...

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CopsWouldKillJesus Yesterday

America needs less Facebook and more Molotov’s

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FriendlyGhostBoy Yesterday

Wow, imagine the outcry if Fox News reporters got arrested.

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kynikos19 Yesterday

Nah. This is assuming loyalty to each other. They have only loyalty to money. They would turn that narrative so fast to leave their own reporter hanging Anyone that [appears to step out of line](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/11/fox-news-chief-anchor-shepard-smith-leaving-the-conservative-network.html)

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OShaunesssy Yesterday

Holy fuck this is some serious next level dystopian bullshit going on

I've been saying for months since Beonna Taylor was murdered in her home by police that a tipping point is coming, but this is truthfully just alarming

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neonharvest Yesterday

Reporter: Where should I stand? Police: Respect mah authoritah!!!

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SteveMcLaurin redditor for 3 months Yesterday

I gotta say I do believe lightning network could make crypto's future way better

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Henry2k Yesterday

Let me know when they're gonna roll out support for New York State.

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charles4gaming Yesterday

Go lightning, I believe in it as the future of bitcoin!

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Battle78 Yesterday

finally thank you kraken!

will use you again as my DCA exchange of choice when lightning is in place.

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The1percenter Yesterday

This is what happens when an exchange actually cares about bitcoin. More of this please.

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KookyAssociate1 redditor for 1 week Yesterday

This is great! I think that there would be much crypto’s in the future and only those who can drive with the wave would be able to survive now that the market is at its current state... I have realized over time that there is a massive flow of profit from trading crypto. I am very comfortable with the way bitcoin is going and as a trader, I am also preparing to buy the dip and keep trading because by all indications the next rise is expected to hit the ranges of $15,000 to $16,000. With the appropriate trading signals from Richard Meyer, a competent trader by all ramifications, I have been able to grow 3 BTC to 8 BTC in just 2 weeks. He can easily indicate how to take advantage of this situation gainfully using his signals.

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sexyama Yesterday

"his roles at the exchange company is to “consult with the teams across Kraken implementing and supporting Bitcoin products.” "

nice. it's good to be an executive.

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Bitcoin_to_da_Moon Yesterday

the number of nodes on the network has increased to 12,890, an over 35% increase within the last twelve months.

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doctor-crypto redditor for 3 months Yesterday

Never ever. Jesse Powel is Roger Vers suckpuppet and they still don't have full SegWit support (www.whensegwit.com). They promised full SegWit support 2 Years ago.

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bitusher Yesterday

looks like they just lack bech32 but have p2sh segwit https://bitcoinops.org/en/compatibility/ Its Blockchain.com, bitmex and binance that are the ones you should be directing your anger towards

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DoubleEdgeEX redditor for 3 weeks Yesterday

Great news. LN could be huge and this way it gets dragged into the spotlight and motivates the developers to make it better. I hope more exchanges follow

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jogeer 1 day ago

What happens when you make make lightning transactions that are less than the Bitcoin fee to validate them? Is there a lower limit for transactions to actually get processed? If I make a transaction with 1 satoshi, what happens?

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65yzr redditor for 1 week 1 day ago

Does this mean I can buy bitcoin on lightning without ever having to go onchain? Is this possible?

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fresheneesz 1 day ago

No. An onchain transaction is still required to create a lightning channel. This won't change. As far as I know there are no ways I know of to get around that without substantially compromising your security (eg you could give someone the keys to an existing channel, but then you have to trust that they didn't keep a copy of the channel's seed). However, that's not to say that you necessarily have to pay for that channel. Breez opens a channel for you without requiring payment. You still have to wait for the channel to open, but its pretty convenient.

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65yzr redditor for 1 week Yesterday

I thought I read something about channel factories allowing this. If you have to open a channel to onboard mass amounts of people, it just isn't going to happen. Bitcoin can only process about 200 million transactions a year.

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fresheneesz Yesterday

With channel factories, you still need an on chain transaction to join the factory. You're right that this reduces the number of on chain transactions tho, since many people can join the factory in a single transaction. If 10 people joined a factory at a time, the time to bring 8 billion people onto the lightning network at 200 million tx/yr would go down from 40 years to 4 years.

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Atlasstorm 1 day ago

Please consider running a LND Node with Raspiblitz. It's super cheap and easy as Pie. Lets get this ball rolling

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williamevanl 1 day ago

Okay, will do.

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AttilaThaHungry 1 day ago

I inderstand the concept behind Lightning but don't use it. What is the advantage of having an exchange use LN?

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whitslack 1 day ago

>What is the advantage of having an exchange use LN? An exchange can process withdrawals via LN without spending so much on transaction fees, meaning they can pass the savings on to their customers. And customers can withdraw their bitcoins from the exchange directly into their Lightning wallets, meaning they don't need to pay for on-chain transactions to reload their Lightning balances. Ultimately, the entire cycle, from consumer's fiat to consumer's bitcoin to merchant's bitcoin to merchant's fiat, can proceed with no on-chain transactions, and that's a huge win for usability.

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DontBeAFlatlinerMan 1 day ago

I'm a newb, so how do those off-chain transactions get verified?

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Pantamis redditor for 6 weeks Yesterday

The main idea is the following: You can always trust a 0-conf transaction you sign yourself, so you never really need to write them in the blockchain at the first place. Lightning is the exploitation at its best of this idea.  Lightning is a network so that each "edge" (called channel) is a Bitcoin address (in fact UTXO) control by each node of the edges. They negociate with each other to share the bitcoins in this address by signing together valid transactions that can be broadcasted to the Bitcoin network. But they don't broadcast it, because these transactions are smart contract with the ability to expire when peers decide to share the coins differently. So they can pay each other by just signing and exchanging a transaction spending the coins in the channel differently and make the previous expire so that only the last one is not, each node verify for himself the transaction it signs. To get back the bitcoins on the blockchain, anyone can broadcast this final transaction unilateraly. If the transaction was expired (cheating), the other peer can use the underlying smart contract to steal all the coins before the cheater can spend them. And finally, Lightning includes a communication protocol so that you can pay someone without having a channel with him. The idea is to find a path in the Lightning network and use the intermediary nodes to pay him by routing the payment.  Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer system for electronic cash, Lightning is a form of peer-to-peer electronic cash.

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tomius 1 day ago

I'll simplify a bit: With Lightning, you open a channel with someone, which is like putting some bitcoins from both parties in a safe. This happens on-chain. Then they can exchange transactions off chain. Basically saying that one of them paid the other one. This can happen many times per second and it's basically free. But the key is that those off chain transactions are actually signed bitcoin transactions. So when the channel closes (upon agreements or forcefully), the users can publish the last transaction, and that's what will be published and secured by the blockchain. Now, if someone publishes an old transaction, it's considered malicious. If the other party presents a newer transaction signed by both, the malicious party is punished, and I believe, loses all the coins. It has a lot of nuances and problems that had to be solved. But that's the gist of it. I'm not an expert but I hope I helped.

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buttonstraddle 1 day ago

It means you can avoid the main blockchain, which means you can avoid the need to wait 10,60,whatever minutes before you decide whether your transaction is confirmed, and you also can avoid the higher fees that you will need to pay. Usually LN will be used to make smaller payments to stores. So suppose a merchant requires BTC payment. Now you can buy BTC on the exchange, withdraw from the exchange directly into your LN channel, and then make an instant LN payment to your merchant.

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brianddk 1 day ago

Electrum Lighting support is in the master branch now and is slated for next release. This would give a LN path from FIAT all the way to Electrum.

As an afterthought, I'm curious if they will lift or reduce their withdraw fee for LN withdraws.

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ilpirata79 Yesterday

LN client should support liquidity provider automatically so that the user does not need to care about ingress liquidity

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fresheneesz 1 day ago

If it doesn't massively shrink the withdrawal fee, they're literally stealing stacks of coins.

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Scholes_SC2 1 day ago

Everyday I'm come to this sub looking forward to news like this. Lightning is amazing.

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Bitcoin_puzzler 1 day ago

Naysayers will be surprised as always.

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joeknowswhoiam Yesterday

They will move the goalposts once again, don't worry. It doesn't matter though, Bitcoin is scaling and they are mad because it makes their shitcoin(s) even less valuable.

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Bitcoin_puzzler Yesterday

Exactly.

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jerkstore555 redditor for 4 weeks 1 day ago

bullish af

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Cryptoguruboss 1 day ago

Instant onboarding.... receive your Btc in lightning wallet and use it as kraken node would help instant transaction worldwide

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ZeitgeistGuy 1 day ago

Isn't there a limit on amount sent via Lightning? Or is Wumbo widely adopted?

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lordfervi 1 day ago

There's no direct limit that limits you, but it's indirect. You can send as many funds as there are tracks. It's complicated, but the bigger the network, the more you can send.

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IllList3 redditor for 1 week 1 day ago

No, you can open a channel any size you want since you're just instructing software to broadcast a transaction. You can get around the safety limits that are active by default. [Here](https://1ml.com/channel/694560395843665921) is a channel with 2.68BTC capacity.

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bitusher 1 day ago

old limit was 0.168 BTC but looks like option_support_large_channel for wumbo was merged on march 2nd https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/pull/596 But I dont know if any wallets are supporting this yet but looks likely soon. Regardless the past limit is still much more than many will be withdrawing from an exchange being 1,588 USD worth

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ZeitgeistGuy 1 day ago

Agreed, but for wider adoption wumbo (and wumborama as spotted in the link) is seemingly an essential asset as btc grows.

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bitusher 1 day ago

100% and looks like it might make its way to wallets later this year at this rate

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bitusher 1 day ago

Cheers mate

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FrostedChemicals redditor for 1 week 1 day ago

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bitusher 1 day ago

This is amazing and will be just in time when we need it the most. This would be the first large exchange to support buying BTc directly from a lightning channel

Other ways right now

@cointastical/exchanges-with-support-for-bitcoin-lightning-network-payments-739829bcb7bc">https://medium.com/@cointastical/exchanges-with-support-for-bitcoin-lightning-network-payments-739829bcb7bc

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kurdebolek redditor for 4 weeks Yesterday

This is great - if clients will get to withdraw their coins with near-zero fee, Kraken will quickly become the go-to exchange.

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uakbar Yesterday

I don't get why kraken isn't already the go-to exchange. Their trading fees are the lowest among all major exchanges that support fiat.

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bitusher Yesterday

In the usa they lack fdic insurance on fiat balance, lack insurance on hot wallet and lack free ach bank deposits so you will pay 25-40 +5 for a wire , also no free withdrawals of btc

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lordfervi 1 day ago

Bitfinex also support LN

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brianddk 1 day ago

"Supports today" or will be supporting this year?

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lordfervi Yesterday

Dunno, you tell me [https://support.bitfinex.com/hc/en-us/articles/360039801053-Lightning-Network-BTC-LNX-Deposits-Withdrawals](https://support.bitfinex.com/hc/en-us/articles/360039801053-Lightning-Network-BTC-LNX-Deposits-Withdrawals)

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FieserKiller 1 day ago

Since end of 2019 iirc

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