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willothewhispers 1 month ago

At first I thought it was US on the left and Africa on the right. I was like wtf Africa is way bigger than...

Then I noticed it was India and US inside africa.

What's the third part though?

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kingofkindom 1 month ago

China.

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willothewhispers 1 month ago

Ty

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King_Pollox 1 month ago

I think Greenland vs Australia really highlights the issue with the Mercator projection.

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RJPeaches 1 month ago

Whats bigger poland or germany?

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piperfawn69 3 months ago

To have a correct comparison between nations drag them on the equator line.

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_Punko_ :Canada: SB100 3 months ago

The Mercator projection was never meant for area comparison. It was for navigation, as lines of bearing are straight.

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piperfawn69 3 months ago

The most astonishing deformation is Greenland. If you drag her to equator line you will see the huge difference between reality an projection.

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piperfawn69 3 months ago

Yes, Mercatore made that projection for commercial an logistic use but the results was a very inaccurate size rappresentaion. The more you go near the poles the more the nation's are "inflated". On the equator line the real size are respected.

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_Punko_ :Canada: SB100 3 months ago

TBH, the result was as intended. Unfortunately, folks who decided to use the map for a different use, find it insufficient for their needs. Its like putting a red light in your darkroom because that works best for when you're developing film and someone complaining that they can't tell the difference between their navy blue shirt and a black shirt due to the light. Or picking up a hammer and complaining that it doesn't turn screws well. Each map projection is a different tool. Just because you don't know how to use a tool properly, or don't know the difference between the tools doesn't mean that a tool is bad. Folks don't look at a photograph and complain that the corners of the room are different lengths when measured on the surface of the photo. why are they surprised or upset that a map - which is also a 2d represenation of 3d objects - isn't all things to all people? folks like that scream "its not accurate!" Yes it is, its just not the tool for what whatever you're trying to do.

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nothingsacrednotes 4 months ago

It might have a bit of a glitch when you drag something past the south pole, but generally it seems accurate. Compare by measuring on a physical globe if you want.

Why do you call it "supposedly subversive"? It's just demonstrating the distortion of area when projecting from a globe to a flat surface using the mercator projection.

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tangenti 4 months ago

Good catch. I came across the site linked in an article referencing the sizes of Africa and India, compared to Europe or the British Isles. The article seemed to have subversive intent. I think I understand the distortion caused by the Mercator projection, so I was surprised that the map doesn't seem to be accurate. Correct if I'm wrong - the entire top edge of the map is the North pole, right? So my reasoning is that no border should cross the top edge of the map, because if the sphere was reconstructed a piece of the country would be missing.

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nothingsacrednotes 4 months ago

Whatever algorithm they are using kinda breaks at the poles. It doesn't really make sense to drag something past an "edge" of what is really a globe. It seems to stretch a country across the entire top, which is kinda the best it can do. But the purpose of the map isn't defeated due to the problem of projecting to the poles. If people's perception of size is based on the familiar mercator projection, they may be surprised by the direct comparisons made possible by this map. Whether or not that's "subversive" depends on what they do with that information.

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tangenti 4 months ago

I think it should not be possible to drag the edge of a country off of the map, but you can! Try it, and see if the scaling still makes sense to you.

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koumus Cascavel, PR 7 months ago

Aqui tem um bom artigo comparando os 15 maiores estados do BR com países de tamanho aproximado, inclusive comparando o Paraná com a Romênia.

https://listafatos.com/15-maiores-estados-brasileiros/

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popularproblems 7 months ago

Estive na Romenia há uns meses e adorei. É um bom destino para uma eurotrip barata.

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EPackie Curitiba, PR 7 months ago

Nós somos os verdadeiros herdeiros do Império Romano. Paranaenses paranuês, uni-vos!

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Bratalia 7 months ago

Os dois gosta de exagerar o frio que faz

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hidantachi 7 months ago

Nuss, eu tinha lido Panamá.

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Herrhenrique1991 7 months ago

Essa vibe meio União Soviética latina também, uma lingua meio parecida com português também e muita gente muito religiosa também

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hirEfAcklEctaGenceaN 7 months ago

E a mesma vibe

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Odilhao 7 months ago

Todo mundo falando um idioma parecido com o português, que você pega só algumas palavras?

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qznc_bot2 8 months ago

There is a discussion on Hacker News, but feel free to comment here as well.

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RudegarWithFunnyHat 9 months ago

russia is the largest country

canada is the second largest country

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Recon_Figure 11 months ago

Wow wtf.

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GiantsOfSF1958 11 months ago

The US is not a continent. It's a country within the continent of North America.

Edit: sorry I didn't read properly. You were correct.

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pericles123 11 months ago

nice find

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pericles123 11 months ago

still pretty large though

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servical 11 months ago

So, you've never seen a globe?

Or a proportional projection map?

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nw1024 11 months ago

That's actually a really nice projection on the second link, one of my favorite among the infinite options

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jlb8 11 months ago

I like them, but i think they’re confusing for kids.

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servical 11 months ago

Mine too, everything pretty much looks as it should, except for the oceans getting torn open. You could literally just cut around the outline and make a "globe" out of it.

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nw1024 11 months ago

Totally, I can easily imagine the ocean edges as "pac-man borders" and just teleport from one side to the other.

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QuisCustodet 11 months ago

If this is news to you, wait until you find out how big Africa actually is

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cherwat 11 months ago

Heh. New to map projections? Heh.

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andrew_702 11 months ago

You can't trick me with this globe nonsense. Everybody knows the Earth is flat.

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Ameisen 1 11 months ago

> ~~flat~~ Banana-shaped.

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cinnapear Silver | QC: CC 794, BCH 240, BTC 54 | NANO 229 | 2 hs ago

Until onramps and offramps are more prevalent and businesses start taking advantage of crypto utility, speculation will remain the defining factor in every coin's price. Otherwise we'd see coins like Nano nearer the top, Iota would have dropped position when it stopped working, etc.

When utility finally does become a majority factor, the top ten will look quite a bit different.

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milkonyourmustache 2 hs ago

IOTA has lost a lot of its market cap relative to other cryptos, it hasn't fallen off the cliff but confidence has certainly dropped.

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Onnar Tin 3 hs ago

He thinks Craig is Satoshi. Why are people listening to this clown.

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Eislemike 3 hs ago

Boy Alt Coiners have gotten salty as shit. It’s like walking into an old folks home during corona up in here.

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parakite 3 hs ago

Its not about the tech.

Its all about the scam.

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willedandagreed Platinum | QC: BCH 135 3 hs ago

And the biggest scam of all is leading it. "Bank the unbanked" lol

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parakite 3 hs ago

Its like "fuck the unfucked" charity drive by Paris Hilton.

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cr0ft Platinum | QC: BCH 648, CC 572, ETH 211 | r/Politi 3 hs ago

A relative few cryptos are actually used for stuff. Most are entirely hype driven.

But the idea of the cryptocurrency revolution is nowhere to be found, not even in here. All people talk about is speculating.

And honestly, I don't think the idea of a cryptocurrency revolution is workable anyway. It's not the fact that fiat money is shit and easily exploitable, printable and otherwise crap that's the problem - capitalism is the problem, and cryptocurrencies are still capitalist to say the least.

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madsudaca Silver | QC: CC 30 | NANO 68 23 mins ago

Damn capitalism, always ruining everything.  /s

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DylanKid 3 hs ago

other discussion

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DylanKid 3 hs ago

If it was about the tech we would see ETH number 1

edit: downvotes but no rebuttals. Too much salt.

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jmabbz 5 hs ago

Adoption will be about the tech but also about good marketting and a network effect. Pre adoption price will not generally be about the tech. Not every good project has a future and plenty of legitimately brilliant ideas are bad investments. There is also a lot of fluff and hype driven nonsense which will moon before your more solid choice.

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CoronaVirusFanboy Redditor for 2 months. 5 hs ago

It's all about Coinbase listing!

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Raymikqwer Silver | QC: CC 594 | IOTA 172 | TraderSubs 81 6 hs ago

Technical merit doesn't matter in crypto. Hype sells, and also bag holders rarely fully capitulate which somewhat gives a floor to the price.

Iota has abandoned the data market place, Qubic, failed to deliver coordicide years after it first claimed. But it still floats around near the top 20. They could turn it off for another month and OPs charts still wouldn’t diverge.

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bilbinadonna 1 h ago

Lol, IOTA shit the bed and is still worth more than a small nation. The state of this market!

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Raymikqwer Silver | QC: CC 594 | IOTA 172 | TraderSubs 81 1 h ago

Lol, eloquently put. Mad isn’t it...

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bilbinadonna 1 h ago

This market makes me want to open my own $hitcoin.

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bcountry17 Crypto God | QC: IOTA 142 1 h ago

Won’t argue with iota previously setting too-broad of goals. However, with a top 20 littered with money grabs and community ghost towns, someone felt the need to step outside the top 20 to criticize a project with active development, active academic research, active and diverse world-wide community, innovative ideas, real-world vision, and fascinating PoC’s. Ok.

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bitcoinisdoomed New Redditor 6 hs ago

The so called crypto traders don't give a shit about the fundamentals of the coin they trade but eventually they will. Market will force their hand. The idiots only think in terms of buy/sell/long/short xyz coin instead of thinking in terms of scalability/privacy/featues offered by the coin.

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CraSH23000 Bronze 7 hs ago

I think there were centralization concerns with Zcash.

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stepanmedvedev Redditor for 1 months. 4 hs ago

Monero is better than Zcash. Though they're both about privacy, xmr devs are sooo hardworking (just check the recent update)

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malte86 Redditor for 2 months. 2 hs ago

Dandelion stuff? Though I can't understand tech sides of it, but the general idea behind it and actual implementation there is outstanding, indeed.

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Spacesider Platinum | QC: CC 136, ETH 37, BTC 16 | TraderSubs 8 hs ago

Charts like this are really stupid, cherry picked a rally in the middle of 2019 as a starting point.

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repomies69 Gold | QC: BTC 91, CC 19 6 hs ago

The point is the correlation.

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Voidward Gold | QC: CC 81, BTC 29 8 hs ago

I've actually gotten quite pessimistic on crypto. BTC is not doing what it was designed for. Nothing is really posing a threat to banks. The speed of development is depressing.

That being said, I still make money speculating on speculative assets. Not sure any of this shit is worth more than the hype it can generate.

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madsudaca Silver | QC: CC 30 | NANO 68 22 mins ago

Maybe the problem is unreasonable expectations.

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PublicDiscourse Gold | QC: ETH 41 | TraderSubs 43 3 hs ago

I think of crypto’s history and trajectory relative to the history of money as a social technology that is as old as civilization itself. In that context, crypto has accomplished an enormous amount in a very short period of time.

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solarixs Silver | QC: CC 25 7 hs ago

Find a better currency in the world today. Something that you cannot manipulate like fiat currencies, but still transfer across the globe within minutes & for a small fee.  Gold is the solution to the first one, fiat is the solution to the second, but they both have major flaws which cannot be fixed. Try transfering gold across the globe within a couple of minutes. Try holding on to fiat without investing it is some way, you will lose all your wealth with time. The FED is printing money faster than ever before... Look up brazil, venezuela, argentina and their inflation, this is going to happen in the US too. 0% interesetrates, FED is allowed to print infinite money & print money faster than ever.. people are getting "stimulus checks" and "free money" It is not sustainable.  You dont know what you are talking about..

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buddykire Tin 4 hs ago

Ownership of gold can be trasferred in seconds with no fees. The infratructure for this is getting better every year. Sure, not physical gold, but you dont own the bitcoin directly either, its on the blockchain.

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solarixs Silver | QC: CC 25 4 hs ago

When i get my digital bitcoin on my own offline wallet, its equal to having gold bars imho. Cannot compare a digital asset to a physical one like that.

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buddykire Tin 10 mins ago

Not really. Physical things have value in themselves, especially AU. Digital stuff will always be more fragile. You can´t touch or smell your bitcoin, and if the internet shuts down, it will be problems. Physical things are king at the end of the day, thats my point. I still like crypto.

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_imba__ Crypto Nerd | QC: BCH 28 6 hs ago

> this is going to happen in the US too The biggest problem I have with this view, is that of belief. So if US's inflation doesn't increase to similar levels of Brazil, Venezuela and Argentina, will you change your views on money printing? Similarly I'd need to change my views if this indeed happens (and QE can be shown as a major reason etc). As someone in the third world, there are MANY factors that lead to high inflation rates. Quantitative easing is one factor, but honestly it is also sometimes the smart thing for a country to do. Reducing it to evil money printing is one of the crappiest things about this subreddit.

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solarixs Silver | QC: CC 25 6 hs ago

>Reducing it to evil money printing is one of the crappiest things about this subreddit. Tbh its not about the money printing itself for me, its about the possibility of infinite money printing, which the fed has, that is the problem. if they saw it fit, they could print 25 trillion tomorrow, which is the total US debt, and pay it off. THEORETICALLY. Noone should be able to do that.

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_imba__ Crypto Nerd | QC: BCH 28 6 hs ago

Ok that's understandable. Tell me are there no checks and balances on the fed regarding QE in US? I'd imagine/hope they'd be accountable to someone if they do something super malicious/irresponsible.

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solarixs Silver | QC: CC 25 5 hs ago

From what i understand the FED "checks" themselves: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUrlNHTxuJM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUrlNHTxuJM)  Listen to the whole 60 minutes if you want. Scary stuff.

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Wombleshart Gold | QC: BTC 42, CC 23 | EOS 5 6 hs ago

You make some decent points, but comparing the US economy to Brazil, Venezuela and Argentina is not one. You may understand crypto, but it would appear you don’t understand economics.

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cr0ft Platinum | QC: BCH 648, CC 572, ETH 211 | r/Politi 3 hs ago

The people who think they "understand economics" as we define economics today are a far bigger problem than the people who realize they don't, and can't, because it's not a science. "Economics" is an opinion-driven concept, and probably has more in common with religion than science...

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Wombleshart Gold | QC: BTC 42, CC 23 | EOS 5 3 hs ago

Um, ok. Sure, why not.

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solarixs Silver | QC: CC 25 5 hs ago

And just one more thing, i didn't compare the economy as a whole, i compared money printing, deficit spending & inflation. There is plently of other reasons why those countries have a worse economy than the US, but those things are some major factors that contributed to their countries currency losing its value.

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Wombleshart Gold | QC: BTC 42, CC 23 | EOS 5 4 hs ago

I get that, but the point is the underlying economy. I’m happy to chat this with you amicably, as you seam like a decent chap that has an interest in economics. I agree that endlessly printing billions would pop the dollar, but that is not what is happening here. The liquidity in the markets was the issue, and to solve that the fed has filled the gap. You should also consider that as global demand has taken a hit, demand led inflation won’t be that high. You can see this effect in the currently very low oil price.

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solarixs Silver | QC: CC 25 6 hs ago

US citizens gets so butthurt when you talking negatively about their country.  How do you think the hyperinflation in those countries started? It started because of money printing and deficit spending.  What is the US doing right this moment?

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Wombleshart Gold | QC: BTC 42, CC 23 | EOS 5 5 hs ago

You are nailing it as far as being incorrect. I’m British. Increased money supply and weak economies caused those countries inflationary issues. You are comparing war torn jungles to the world’s biggest economy and home to almost all of the worlds leading tech companies. Their combined GDP is a fraction of the US. Remember when the US defaulted on its bonds? No, me neither. You don’t really have a clue about economics. That’s why you’re comparing Venezuela to the US.

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solarixs Silver | QC: CC 25 4 hs ago

I work at a bank, i have education within economy, and no im not british nor from the US.  Remember when the US economy crashed in 2008 because of the "housing bubble" and they lowered interesetrates to climb back up, which now is at 0%? How is that sustainable. Again, im not comparing the economy as a whole. Im just comparing a few things that those countries did, and the US currenctly does. **" Increased money supply and weak economies caused those countries inflationary issues. "** Increased money supply is exactly what the US is currently doing... you are proving what i said.  As said in my other comment. Currently the US can print their debt tomorrow, and pay it off. How is that a sustainable system.  I think you get me wrong. Im not saying that the US is going under, that the "leading tech companies" you are talking about has no value. Im saying that the monetary system in the world is VERY flawed, because of the reasons ive listen above, and it's a danger to the DOLLAR.

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Wombleshart Gold | QC: BTC 42, CC 23 | EOS 5 4 hs ago

Lots of what you’re saying is correct. It was the comparison to Brazil, Argentina and Venezuela that was inaccurate.

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solarixs Silver | QC: CC 25 4 hs ago

Id say the comparison was extreme, not inaccurate. It could happen in the us, it is not very likely.

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Wombleshart Gold | QC: BTC 42, CC 23 | EOS 5 4 hs ago

Ok, but you did say “this will happen in the US now too”. What you have said above is more accurate. I’m not bothered anymore, I’m just upset that you thought I was American.

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solarixs Silver | QC: CC 25 4 hs ago

Yes, it will happen to the US too, but thats in the long term, maybe a in decade, or maybe in 100s of years, if they don't change their monetary system. What i 100% know is that 0% interestrates and a FED that can print infinite money is not sustainable.

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Wombleshart Gold | QC: BTC 42, CC 23 | EOS 5 4 hs ago

Remember the hyperinflation in 2008? Nope. Increased money supply DOES NOT mean inflation. These ARE NOT the same.

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solarixs Silver | QC: CC 25 4 hs ago

True, but the money printing they did back then is negligible compared to what they are currently doing.  Also look up a dollar devaluation chart since the US left the gold standard. The USD has lost loads of its value compared to most "hard" assets, and with more money printing it will lose even more of its value.

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Wombleshart Gold | QC: BTC 42, CC 23 | EOS 5 4 hs ago

You will find that inflation has been pretty consistent across all major currencies since the all left the gold standard. You will also find that it doesn’t account for interest received, so it’s not a fair comparison. There is far more to it that money printing.

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solarixs Silver | QC: CC 25 4 hs ago

Again everything you said is true, and so is what is said.  " You will find that inflation has been pretty consistent across all major currencies since the all left the gold standard" Of course, the current monetary system is whats flawed, so all fiat currencies, not the US dollar specifically. I think bitcoin is a good alternative, maybe the best we have so far, but its not close to being perfect.    "There is far more to it that money printing." But it certainly won't make the dollar more valuable, while i guarantee it will contribute to it losing its value.

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Kryptoboar Bronze 5 hs ago

Youre right, but still the US does have a key difference with others: it controls the world currency. So when they print, they fuck everyone and not just them. Not to mention other countries have a vested interest in preventing the USD from collapsing and will often match the US printing to keep their currencies aligned with the dollar... So they have much much more inertia hence what theyre doing now. This will probably come to an end as China with Russia increasingly challenge this but theres gonna be some dangerous waves...

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solarixs Silver | QC: CC 25 5 hs ago

Very true, and i was actually about to take up the point of China challenging the US as the reserve world currency. Everything you wrote just provides me with an better argument in the long term, so it seems like we agree.

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minorthreatmikey Silver | QC: CC 45 | IOTA 116 | TraderSubs 88 7 hs ago

That’s strange you have that sentiment. I am completely opposite. Never been more excited for the future and what crypto can bring

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Emptyanddiscarded Tin 7 hs ago

Are there any good charts on the adoption curve these days?

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PublicDiscourse Gold | QC: ETH 41 | TraderSubs 43 3 hs ago

Defipulse.com

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Life_Is_A_BCH Redditor for less than 2 weeks 9 hs ago

An interesting sentiment from Gavin - I've recognized that the markets of the coins ebb and flow together, but never put the thought about how that ignores the separate tech in each coin so far to the forefront. It must mean that it's still early.

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cryptos4pz 11 hs ago

Don't forget this, everyone:

Bitcoin loses HALF of its value in TWO-DAY plunge (March 13, 2020)

The cryptocurrency briefly dropped below $4,000 Friday after starting the week above $9,000.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/13/bitcoin-loses-half-of-its-value-in-two-day-plunge.html

Nothing major happened on the BTC technical front around March 13, 2020 either... Markets.

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ErdoganTalk 10 hs ago

A possible explanation of flash crashes, is margin contracts \*), because those always have a limit to how much the bet can go against the speculator before he is "stopped out", this amplifies the effect of the price move and can lead to a chain of failure of contracts with slightly more safety. *This is normal*, and it has to be like that as long as people do speculate. *) but also people making decisions without leverage, when they have certain limits in their minds for them to take action on.

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cryptos4pz 10 hs ago

> A possible explanation of flash crashes, is margin contracts *), because those always have a limit to how much the bet can go against the speculator before he is "stopped out", this amplifies the effect Sorry, but that's utterly ridiculous. The size of the BTC market is approximately **170 BILLION** dollars. There is no way 85 billion dollars is comprised of margin. And it's just "margin" not contracts... that's options. Also it's "margin called" not "stopped out". >but also people making decisions without leverage, when they have certain limits in their minds for them to take action on. The majority of any "normal" market is structured like this (no leverage), where people put stops at their price targets, because people are usually more conservative with money than risky, unless they're purposely gambling as entertainment. What more likely happened is some event spooked some sizable portion of the market and as it sank stop limits *were* triggered which sent prices downward which spooked more people who then sold which triggered more stops etc. Either way my point is the **50% selloff** wasn't based on anything technical.

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ErdoganTalk 10 hs ago

> Sorry, but that's utterly ridiculous It happens in almost all markets. It does not have to be formal contracts with a stop loss, re my last line above. Of course it can happen more if someone considers the volume of speculative contracts is high (people working with the largest exchanges can know) and trigger the cascade if they can. This is basic stuff

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cryptos4pz 10 hs ago

I don't know why you keep using the word "contract". Most selling happens on crypto exchanges, and they are not trading derivatives (at least not more than ~1-5% of them I'd guess). Coinbase is the largest cryptocurrency exchange. Show me one place they use the word "contract" related to something financially traded (and I'm not including "smart contract" which is a whole other subject).

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ErdoganTalk 9 hs ago

Hehe everything you do on an exchange is a contract. But I meant futures, often called margin trading, a simple to use variant. The point is there are limits, and when you cross them the contract is sold. Long or short, same thing, so when you give up on your bet, the move in the opposite direction of what you hoped, becomes stronger. *The same thing happens if you decide to sell, because the price went down to much and you got scared, or the opposite, even if you have no contract, but you only have a balance in your own wallet*. Even a margin contract does not need to have margin, but at least the short will have a limit anyway (always when longing if the collateral is of the same type that you speculate with, and with shorting if the collateral is of the other type). Of course it is the speculation, when it comes to pure money, *because there is nothing else*

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cryptos4pz 9 hs ago

> Hehe everything you do on an exchange is a contract. I'm done.

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ssvb1 Yesterday

He is comparing charts of two mostly irrelevant altcoins, which have no real use cases other than speculation. Or are there any merchants accepting them for payments?

As a different example, the BCH vs. BSV hashwar did have a major impact on the whole crypto market, collapsing prices of cryptocurrencies which were even not directly involved in this ordeal.

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phillipsjk 11 hs ago

I think using two unknown cryptocurrencies as an example was appropriate here. It removes confounding factors.

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ssvb1 46 mins ago

These are definitely not unknown cryptocurrencies. ZCash had unfair distribution of coins and its primary purpose was to enrich its creators (see [Founders’ Reward](https://electriccoin.co/blog/funding/)). Iota has always had a coordinator node, which makes it a centralized cryptocurrency. Those who cared about tech, were perfectly aware that this centralization allows to shut down the network among other things. And when this actually happened, this didn't surprise anyone. So what is Gavin Andresen trying to claim? Those who really cared about tech, never invested in these two cryptocurrencies in the first place. And these cryptocurrencies don't have any significant market share either, so there don't seem to be many tech illiterate investors.

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phillipsjk 37 mins ago

The price chart of every cryptocurrency looks the same: because too many exchanges still use BTC as the "base" trading pair. So when BTC moves, everything moves with it. The BCH-BSV hashwar you mentioned was notable because it was enough to move BTC as well.

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ErdoganTalk Yesterday

The market works well. It comprises all people, and of course not everybody understands money, technology or even want to. But these people are in all markets, so no big deal.

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NilacTheGrim Electron Cash Developer Yesterday

He's not wrong.

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dangero Yesterday

I'm no iota fan, but Gavin misses that cryptocurrency speculation is based on potential future value just like venture capitalists value tech investments. There are companies that raise a billion dollars before launching a product because people think that they have so much future potential.

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cryptos4pz 10 hs ago

> Gavin misses that cryptocurrency speculation is based on potential future value That makes no sense. The point about **decentralized** cryptocurrency is it's NOT like VISA (which never experiences outages afaik). IOTA purports to be decentralized, but central devs shut the ENTIRE thing down, and not just for a few hours which would be bad enough, but almost a MONTH??? It's not even supposed to be possible to shut down something with no central authority. Yet there was seemingly zero impact on the price at all. But I believe my opinion is a minority one. I think YOUR view is closer to how the market actually views things, which is why the price didn't move... QED

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chainxor Yesterday

Gavin is right.

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ShadowOfHarbringer Yesterday

Gavin confirms what I have been saying for 2-3 years.

Cryptocurrency "market" has nothing to do with reality. It's a gambling game, basically.

People who trade cryptocurrencies do not actually know anything about the things they buy or sell. They only care about "number go up".

Sad truth.

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obesepercent 1 h ago

So how can we change this? It's one thing to complain about it, but another to actually make a difference. Bitcoin Cash has the ability to change the financial world just as much as the internet revolutionized communications. But what does it take to actually get that far?

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phro Yesterday

Chainalysis found less than 2% commerce. 90% of transactions are with an exchange.

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chainxor 3 hs ago

Indeed.

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kwanijml Yesterday

This is going to ruffle feathers here, but its not anti-bitcoincash (if people will take a second to understand proto-monies and what is going on, economically, with cryptocurrencies): BCH's superior scalability/scaling plan and cheaper transactions (over BTC), was never going to cause it to win out over BTC, or to develop fully into money, in the short or medium term. Otherwise, Nano would have taken over a long time ago. BCH people needed to stop being BTC's crazy ex-girlfriend, like, years ago; and get focusing on just building the network effects and merchant adoption/spendability...but even more so, all crypto-people needed to be working to form advocacy coalitions to get governments out of cryptocurrency. Because this is where most crypto-users (including bitcoin cash advocates) are just plain wrong and misguided about what is happening: Bitcoin Core's and Blockstream's shenanigans didn't, and never likely could have destroyed bitcoin: government policies destroyed bitcoin (and all other cryptocurrencies). See: especially tracking and reporting requirements (it is de facto illegal to use crypto as money in most countries, whether or not the authors of these tax policies intended it to be so), early LE incursions into and destabilizations of trading platforms, and onerous banking/AML/KYC rules applied to various platforms, even OTC trading. High fees are bad, but we actually didn't bump up against those yet as a major hurdle to adoption and even to spending growth (the short periods of intensely high fees and congestion always basically coincided with the bubbles and run-ups, anyways, where people were buying AND even spending more furiously...i.e. so far the income effects outweigh the substitution effects when everybody's crypto shoots up in value, negating both the deflationary pressure to horde, and the disincentive to spend due to high fees). Again, to deny this is to have to explain away with ad hoc explanations, the graphs that Gavin presented, and to have to explain why Nano doesn't have the largest merchant/spending network of all. To understand more, please read a couple of my recent comments: https://np.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/fu7ak9/these_highwaymen_are_so_generous/fmcgj4a/ And an old classic: https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6u14yw/why_bitcoin_is_the_way_that_it_is_or_how_i/

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GhastlyParadox 9 hs ago

>High fees are bad, but we actually didn't bump up against those yet as a major hurdle to adoption I was with you until here. Transaction fees in 2017/2018 killed whatever momentum BTC has as a currency. Merchants started pulling the plug after that, and adoption has gone nowhere since.

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kwanijml 9 hs ago

So again, then why hasn't a crypto like Nano, broken ahead of the pack? And why, as Gavin pointed out, doesnt technology yet seem to be much of a differentiator? I can also tell you that I lived through an era of flagging merchant support after a wave of adoption, long before 2017/2018, and it had nothing to do with any significantly rising transaction costs. Disagree all you want, but its not convincing unless you can show some evidence/reason...not just regurgitate the popular narrative here. Here's a little napkin math to show how transaction fees are unlikely to be the biggest factor (they are a factor of course), in lackluster currency-use adoption. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/go10pd/z/fre2feo

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lapingvino 4 hs ago

Very easy: a big chunk just invest in the one winner. When BTC got into fees trouble, nobody even thought about supporting altcoins. I think some altcoins make better chance long term. But BCH (admittedly taking some time) provides what BTC used to provide, most significantly the only working option with Bitpay where I use Bitpay (and where it often is the only crypto payment option). Ironically, because of crap introduced in BTC, Bitpay had to add the mail address option and the payment links it uses now. The coin I invest in long term is IOTA, mid-term is HIVE. But the only coin that works for payments of things I care about right now is BCH. Interesting by the way that IOTA was used in the comparison. IOTA had a technical problem in a WALLET, not on the network, that enabled theft through stealing the equivalent of the keys. This was stopped through the coordinator, a mechanism that is actively worked on to get rid of and make the system more decentralized than basically any other coin over time. The people that are in IOTA are in it for the long run, and most of them didn't lose any trust over this issue.

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syntaxxx-error Redditor for less than 60 days Yesterday

> was never going to cause it to win out over BTC That would be like expecting beanie babies to still be a thing... eventually the hype will get boring and what will be left will be the ones with other reasons to exist. I don't expect that to happen any time soon, though.

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kwanijml Yesterday

Did a buttcoin bot from 2013 write this? Scholarly assessment there, Boss. Never heard or dealt with that one before: bitcoin = beanie babies.

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phillipsjk Yesterday

BTC needs to stop being the controlling ex-boyfriend.

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kwanijml Yesterday

Awesome. I agree. Way to completely miss a much bigger and more important point. Very novel and informative take.

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phillipsjk Yesterday

I stopped reading at the "crazy EX line". It suggested to me that your POV was not as interesting as if first appears. Edit: To expand on that a bit, calling the ex-girlfriend "crazy" is designed to remove her agency. It encourages people who encounter her to not believe what she says. This is done to maintain control over the relationship. It makes it harder for the ex-girlfriend to leave the failed relationship behind. By using that analogy, you were taking away our agency in the same manner.

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diradder 3 mins ago

When the ex-girlfriend in question spent the largest part of its time for the last 3+ years bashing and attacking the ex-boyfriend for every single reason she could find, you can call her crazy without "removing her agency". This community is cancerous in this regard, like it or not, it's an easily observable fact, just take a look at the its front page on a daily basis (pick any day really) there is consistently always 2-3 well upvoted threads doing exactly this and it has been the case for years now. That's what really defines this community in the eyes of most people who frequent this place and are not just blindly praising it/defending it when it's criticized (i.e. like the people who justify the "crazy" part of it when it's being called out).

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MobTwo Yesterday

That is true and that's what some of us suspected all along. And I can say people don't care about decentralization or non-custodialship as much as we want them to. People in crypto mainly care about making money, like it or not but that is how things are right now. However, there is light and opportunities in such situations, because usually the best opportunities is all about being ahead of the crowd and making the right decisions. Their loss is our opportunity. Back in 2007, I made over $250k in 6 months just by thinking ahead of the crowd. I was even interviewed in the newspaper for that. I started with just $800 back then and to get to $250000 from $800 is darn good returns. And now I am making big bets similarly on Bitcoin Cash.

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kwanijml Yesterday

This wholesale misses the fact that speculative profit motive should promote (in theory) and enable economic development of the token into a network good that people have present utility for (and thus they spend it, not just speculate). If you reject that out of hand, one has to wonder why you ever got in to crypto and what you're doing here... Like, what mechanism did you think was going to overcome conspiracy to hobble the main btc chain, and what was going to allow people to use it as money when government policies, from early on, started persecuting the use of crypto as money, and left few legal holes for its use other than speculative trading. I agree that not many people care about decentralization like we do, but at the very least observing what has gone on in the last 10 years, and using those observations to come to the primary conclusion that its because not enough people are idealistic about it, is dubious...did you really think it all hinged on that, rather than on consistent incentives and profit motives?

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MobTwo Yesterday

> This wholesale misses the fact that speculative profit motive should promote You are making some strawman argument here. Can you quote the exact words where I reject profit motive? Because I did not say it. The rest of your comment is you arguing with yourself over a claim I did not make, lol. > what was going to allow people to use it as money when government policies Government policies does not allow porn nor torrents, yet here we are, porn and torrents made up a big chunk of what people use online. This fact immediately is evidence that you are wrong. And in Venezuela where people had to choose between their families starving to death and using an illegal currency that retains value, it is easy to see what choice people will make. Moreover, I don't know what country you are from, but where I live, cryptocurrencies are not just allowed, but encouraged as a new form of innovation. Because smart governments know either they embrace innovations or get left behind, the world doesn't stop for them just because they said no.

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kwanijml Yesterday

>You are making some strawman argument here. Can you quote the exact words where I reject profit motive? My apologies then, it seemed pretty clear that you were implying that lack of ideological fervor (regarding decentralization and custodianship) was the big factor in creating the sclerotic conditions in the ecosystem or bitcoin adoption. >Government policies does not allow porn nor torrents, yet here we are, porn and torrents made up a big chunk of what people use online. This fact immediately is evidence that you are wrong. I'm not sure why people insist on comparing the robustness of cryptos against government bans, to goods like drugs and porn and pirated content...this is not that complex: these former are all goods who's serviceability is inherent in their stand-alone function: in other words, most all of the utility and value derived from them for the consumer, is independent of their utility to others, and regardless of how many others enjoy consuming them. If I don't like or use crack, that doesn't diminish anyone else's enjoyment of it and thus demand for it. Bitcoin has little to no use-value or utility beyond that of money (unit of account, medium of exchange, and store of value). Money is not just **a** network good: money is **the** network good. It's utility and value are more a function of network externalities than any other good. You and I will not derive much use and value out of bitcoin tokens, unless a critical mass of other people do as well (or at least the extent to which there is a network effect; others who will accept our bch for goods, and others who will give us bch for our services; dictates its utility). This is why I call bitcoin "proto-money", it doesn't serve all three use-cases to a high degree, but has been gaining network effects in fits and starts (attenuated dramatically, as we all came to realize in the early days, that among other things, tax authorities were going to treat it as a capital good, and it would become prohibitively tedious to, not only ourselves spend and earn bitcoin like regular money, even though we were dedicated to it ideologically; but certainly would destroy the ability and incentive for non-ideologically-motivated people to adopt bitcoin as a currency). >And in Venezuela where people had to choose between their families starving to death and using an illegal currency that retains value, it is easy to see what choice people will make. I agree and that's why I still have some hope for bitcoin and why I'm certainly glad it exists, even if it never goes mainstream or becomes money in this formal sense...it can still have a lot of utility as a proto-money...but it could do so much more. >Moreover, I don't know what country you are from, but where I live, cryptocurrencies are not just allowed, but encouraged as a new form of innovation. Because smart governments know either they embrace innovations or get left behind, the world doesn't stop for them just because they said no. What country?

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MobTwo 11 hs ago

>I'm not sure why people insist on comparing the robustness of cryptos against government policies, to goods like drugs and porn and pirated content I was merely responding to your statement that if government policies don't allow something, people can't use it. So I gave you real world examples of things that are not allowed, yet people still use them, and not just using them, but they make up a big chunk of the online usage. This evidence runs contrary to your statement, so you may need to reconsider your statement. >What country? Singapore. It is no coincidence that embracing innovations also leads to being one of the most prosperous country in the world, because we know the world doesn't stop for you. Feel free to ban the Internet or Mobile Phones, then you get an isolated economy like North Korea.

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kwanijml 11 hs ago

>I was merely responding to your statement that if government policies don't allow something, people can't use it. So I gave you real world examples of things that are not allowed, yet people still use them, and not just using them, but they make up a big chunk of the online usage. This evidence runs contrary to your statement, so you may need to reconsider your statement. Umm...why wouldn't you bother to read and respond to the rest, where I clearly explained exactly why your evidence doesn't run contrary? Here, try again: >>these former are all goods who's serviceability is inherent in their stand-alone function: in other words, most all of the utility and value derived from them for the consumer, is independent of their utility to others, and regardless of how many others enjoy consuming them. If I don't like or use crack, that doesn't diminish anyone else's enjoyment of it and thus demand for it. Bitcoin has little to no use-value or utility beyond that of money (unit of account, medium of exchange, and store of value). Money is not just a network good: money is the network good. It's utility and value are more a function of network externalities than any other good. You and I will not derive much use and value out of bitcoin tokens, unless a critical mass of other people do as well (or at least the extent to which there is a network effect; others who will accept our bch for goods, and others who will give us bch for our services; dictates its utility). This is why I call bitcoin "proto-money", it doesn't serve all three use-cases to a high degree, but has been gaining network effects in fits and starts (attenuated dramatically, as we all came to realize in the early days, that among other things, tax authorities were going to treat it as a capital good, and it would become prohibitively tedious to, not only ourselves spend and earn bitcoin like regular money, even though we were dedicated to it ideologically; but certainly would destroy the ability and incentive for non-ideologically-motivated people to adopt bitcoin as a currency). <not sure how to format a proper line break between this and the below quoted line from you> >Singapore. It is no coincidence that embracing innovations also leads to being one of the most prosperous country in the world, because we know the world doesn't stop for you. Feel free to ban the Internet or Mobile Phones, then you get an isolated economy like North Korea. Right, you're making my point for me (by the way, love Singapore, lived there for a short while): Singapore only applies a goods and services tax to crypto, which is orders of magnitude easier to calculate and comply with than the capital gains/losses taxes of many western nations on crypto. This may be why Singaporeans have adopted bitcoin in greater concentration than other developed countries. But its still important to understand the high network externalities in bitcoin's usefulness: it was always only ever going to be really superior to existing fiat currencies, in terms of being a trans-national currency (especially for helping avoid capital controls and international remission fees), or at least a ubiquitous currency on the internet. So even in a friendlier city-state like Singapore, you are still largely dependent upon the decisions and behaviors of governments and users all around the world, in order to achieve full utility of bitcoin. That is what is primarily holding things back...the fact that most places haven't been as friendly as Singapore. Which brings us back full circle to my original point.

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MobTwo 11 hs ago

>why wouldn't you bother to read and respond to the rest There is no need to shift the goalpost because you made a simple statement "Government policies don't allow X, therefore X won't happen". In order to disprove that statement, all I need is to show evidence that something can happen inspite of unfavorable government policies. You can shift the goalpost but that is what people do when they lost the original argument. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

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kwanijml 10 hs ago

Yikes.

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BitcoinXio Moderator - Bitcoin is Freedom Yesterday

and it is all day traders and bots.

The market is manipulated. I think that much is obvious.

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JerryGallow Yesterday

Not sure that’s as big factor a factor as it would seam. It’s about the few players who have tons of capital to absorb and distribute supply. Day traders are in and out constantly. They aren’t taking coins out of the floating supply or dumping tons of new supply onto the market. Those are the long plays that cause prices to go way up and way down - long term manipulation of supply. They slowly buy for years, absorbing all the supply while people get frustrated the price isn’t going up and capitulate. Then as the available supply decreases all you need is some increase in demand - maybe a news story or a new upgrade - and the demand outweighs the supply and the price goes up. I don’t think day traders are really driving any of that.

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ErdoganTalk 10 hs ago

Correct, arbitrage bots and daytraders do not move the market. It is individuals who change their minds concerning how much they want to hold.

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2ud3m4n Redditor for less than 60 days Yesterday

"manipulated" is just a lazy term for: I can't explain (and won't bother to look in to or even postulate a more feasible theory for) why crypto traders seem to keep making the utmost irrational choices, over and over and over....to the extent that no market, regulated or otherwise, has ever seemed to do.

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RichardNewsy 3 hs ago

Doesn't take much to manipulate an unregulated market.. fun stuff stealing money from people just like you.

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GeorgAnarchist Yesterday

sometimes coins even go up when something bad happens because bots buy when they notice increased social media activity

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ErdoganTalk 10 hs ago

> sometimes coins even go up when something bad happens because bots buy when they notice increased social media activity There is a conscious mind behind every bot

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DankBanLawdee Yesterday

https://youtu.be/_BZvkkEKBvI

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Raz98 1 day ago

Noooooo! You cant just go into space! Who's going to fund foreign aid?!

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glacialthaw Yesterday

haha space rocket goes brrr

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autotldr 1 day ago

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 66%. (I'm a bot)

They will perform tests on Crew Dragon in addition to conducting research and other tasks with the space station crew.

Although the Crew Dragon being used for this flight test can stay in orbit about 110 days, the specific mission duration will be determined once on station based on the readiness of the next commercial crew launch.

The Demo-2 mission will be the final major step before NASA's Commercial Crew Program certifies Crew Dragon for operational, long-duration missions to the space station.

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autotldr 1 day ago

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 66%. (I'm a bot)

They will perform tests on Crew Dragon in addition to conducting research and other tasks with the space station crew.

Although the Crew Dragon being used for this flight test can stay in orbit about 110 days, the specific mission duration will be determined once on station based on the readiness of the next commercial crew launch.

The Demo-2 mission will be the final major step before NASA's Commercial Crew Program certifies Crew Dragon for operational, long-duration missions to the space station.

Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: crew^#1 station^#2 Dragon^#3 mission^#4 NASA^#5

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01000111_01001010 1 day ago

You can watch the launch live on 5/27/2020 @ 4:33 PM EDT.

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mfb- 1 month ago

Saturn V - Space Shuttle - Falcon 9

Nice video collection.

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OgodHOWdisGEThere 1 month ago

Why is anything produced by an american institution accompanied by at least one instance of terrible graphic design? that logo looks like something from a nursing home bulletin board.

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FutureSpaceNutter 1 month ago

I think it's supposed to look like a license plate.

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averagejoejesse 1 month ago

Couple of interesting things from the article.

The Falcon 9 rocket is "specially instrumented" for this mission.
Duration of crew stay won't be determined until they are onboard station.

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mfb- 1 month ago

Not longer than 110 days, and from the extended training we can expect at least 2 months.

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fd6270 1 month ago

I imagine it's probably additional telemetry gathering equipment for NASA because it's still technically a test flight.

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RocketRunner42 1 month ago

Hmm, I think it needs more patriotism /s

"...American astronauts once again launch on an American rocket from American soil..."

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mfb- 1 month ago

"breathing American air"

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GeckoLogic 1 month ago

Well except for those atlas motors 😂

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quarkman 1 month ago

Except the mission is launching on a Falcon 9 which uses Merlin engines, built on Hawthorne, CA.

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ClearlyMindless Yesterday

Does the virus live and replicate in sewage?

Apparently cats and dogs get C19, what about other wildlife? Fish? Does our sewage contact rats that will spread it?

Do we have a big spread risk here?

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mingy Yesterday

> Does the virus live and replicate in sewage? It does not. A virus needs a suitable live host cell to reproduce and those don't exist in sewage. They are detecting viral RNA fragments, not the actual viral particles. Those take much longer to degrade.

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cornchipnsalsa Yesterday

So can sewage infect people?

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OrganOCreme Yesterday

Not if you keep your mouth closed and just snack sparingly.

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cornchipnsalsa Yesterday

Snack sparingly on sewage? I joke but I’m actually concerned about this. Considering the US doesn’t separate water to potable / non-potable. My understanding water is processed and reused. Doesn’t water than have the potential for contamination

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OrganOCreme Yesterday

Yes they do, what do you think we are a third world country? We invented modern water filtration in the 19th Century. Turned the river in Chicago backwards and all that. They only reuse water in Orange County and a few other places and it’s filters and is cleaner than fresh water. They do the exact same thing in Singapore with like half of their water and it’s fine. That’s right if your reading this in Singapore and drinking a cool glass of water, it has millions of people’s pee in it...

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Asmonymous 1 day ago

Now where on earth outside of labs do you get a .99 correlation in anything?

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androstaxys Yesterday

Basically nowhere? Seems like data is not available for public/mass analysis. Two things that make me rein in the high hopes here.

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djnate08 1 day ago

I don’t trust an r2 measurement that high.

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BusinessProstitute Yesterday

Totally! If I were ever presented with that I would verify everything in dataset and calculations until i was absolutely certain I was right. I wouldn’t believe it myself without a ton of scrutiny, no way anyone else would.

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Covfefetarian Yesterday

Is the data made public anywhere, so we could replicate the analysis? (Fellow statistician here)

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Javlington Yesterday

This needs an answer

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stat-chick 1 day ago

Looks like they regressed the “smoothed” values, which is not appropriate.

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Thetrashman1812 Yesterday

If I’m correct though (and it’s been a while since I’ve had to read reports like this) isn’t the smoothed data different and higher than the .994 result. Also with how little deviation there is in the numbers what is smoothing actually doing here besides removing some wild ass outliers. Once again haven’t really thought about statistics and scientific research in while so maybe I’m completely off base. These are just my first thoughts after a quick read through of the results

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NoMadTruffle Yesterday

R=0.996 is for RNA levels vs hospital admissions after adjusting for 3 days lag, R=0.994 is for RNA levels vs cases after adjusting for 7 days lag. In both cases they used smoothed data. I can understand using smoothed data if they're going for proof of concept to predict future admissions/cases (I'm assuming the LOWESS smoothing method they used is a moving average that only relies on past data points, if not then wouldn't be applicable in real life), but then it should be clearer that the correlation is near perfect only AFTER applying this heavy processing. Still it would have been better to report R for both non smooth and smooth data. They did plot individual data for hospital admissions and based on that the R would not be anywhere close to 0.9; they didn't even show individual points for cases. The paper hasn't been peer reviewed yet so they might have to modify it quite a bit.

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NoMadTruffle 1 day ago

Yea that's super shady

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kipkipCC 1 day ago

.994 holy shit

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-Natsoc- Yesterday

Usually “perfectly” is not among the vocabulary of scientific studies, this time though it appears to be justified

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lex52485 Yesterday

Statistician here. Holy shit is right (assuming methodology is sound, which I haven’t looked at yet)

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BoobaVera Yesterday

(Almost) wholly shit

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mcwollweber 1 day ago

Can somebody dumb this down for me?

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Big_Tree_Z Yesterday

Yeah, some commenters have probably explained it enough already, but an R value that high generally means there’s a very strong correlation. Another commenter mentioned 98.8% coverage of variance within the results. That’s the R^2 value. Literally square the R.

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jstrap0 Yesterday

And figuratively.

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NohPhD 1 day ago

The COVID virus can be found in feces in sewage from infected individuals, even before they are symptomatic. In lieu of massive individual testing, the detection of and amount of SARS-CoV-2 in sewage can be a useful proxy for public health experts to forecast COVID-19 impact to local governments. Individual testing is a lagging indicator (yeah, you’ve got C19 or no you didn’t have C19). The sewage test results are a leading indicator, meaning it can be used to predict things like potential patient loads up to a week in advance.

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auctor_ignotus Yesterday

Patient loads predicting patient loads

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lhospitalsrule 1 day ago

And it is a VERY strong relationship, like nearly perfectly correlated. The model explains 98.8% of all variance, which is kind of incredible.

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imastationwaggon 1 day ago

....as a layman, is it *too* incredible?

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NoMadTruffle Yesterday

Too incredible because they did a lot of heavy processing. They did something like a moving average (but I'm not sure if the LOWESS method they used only takes into account past data, i.e. Could they use this smoothing method in real life to build the line as they go along or not?). And then shifted the lagging curve a few days ahead so they would overlap nicely with each other, THEN used those points in the smoothed out line to calculate R. Fig 2A shows the scatter of true data points for RNA levels and hospital admissions - the R for unsmoothed data would be a much more realistic, lower number. I'm not an expert in modelling future clinical outcomes so maybe this is a common method to do things? Idk but seems disingenuous and easily sensationalised to me.

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jackharvest 1 day ago

No. Just the right amount of incredible.

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TheGapeGatsby 1 day ago

Oh shit.

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CalicoFlannel 1 day ago

Such a potty mouth!

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bplipschitz 1 day ago

If this is reproducible, it could really help response activities.

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mendelevium34 1 day ago

"SARS-CoV-2 RNA concentrations were a seven-day leading indicator ahead of compiled COVID-19 testing data and led local hospital admissions data by three days. Decisions to implement or relax public health measures and restrictions require timely information on outbreak dynamics in a community."

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Madman200 1 day ago

This article is great. There's so much you can learn about a population from it's sewage, and indeed testing sewage may give a better picture of the scale of a disease outbreak.

However, the study is discussing a US metropolitan area centered around New Haven, Connecticut. It's very possible we might see similar results in Canadian locations but this study isn't making any predictions about cases in Canada.

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rationalphi 1 day ago

Fun fact: Statistics Canada did a pilot study on detecting levels and trends in regional drug use via waste water testing.

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travman6 1 day ago

I remember that one, Atlantic Canada took 1st place for cannabis smoking. Trailer park boys is an exaggeration, but only a little bit. Edmonton took 1st place for Meth.

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Yawgmoth2020 1 day ago

Next week on Dirty Jobs...

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untrolldieurosport 1 day ago

Top comment god

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christ344 1 day ago

I don’t know the top comment god but I know like the secretary of his underling, top comment demigod.

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h3yn0w75 1 day ago

Good summary and graph to outline the findings here : https://twitter.com/brennanspiegel/status/1265119535901732865?s=21

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bythesword86 1 day ago

It’s in the fucking water?

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Alces_alces_Alces 1 day ago

In the waste water, from your stool and urine, inactive parts of the virus can be found. It is part of how your body removes the waste from mounting an immune response.

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bythesword86 1 day ago

Thank you, I'm gonna read the paper later but I'm assuming this means the virus is dead while in the sewage?

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Alces_alces_Alces 1 day ago

Yup it is inactive virus.

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