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responsible-party101 8 hs ago

Cool. My bonus last year was a $2 Starbucks gift card. So I’m doing pretty good too.

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Sirius-AB Platinum | QC: CC 87 9 hs ago

that's going to be worth at least $100,000 soon.

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Mutant_Apollo 11 hs ago

Coin base lists Everything dumps

God I hate Coinbase

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Heloflight 1 - 2 years account age. 35 - 100 comment karma. 11 hs ago

@POODLETOKEN Up 97% If you missed Doge here's you redemption. Available on Whitbit and Uniswap! #POODL #poodltoken📷Paris Hilton and 4 others

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Auruoz 3 - 4 years account age. 100 - 200 comment karma. 11 hs ago

Coinbase banned me for "illegal activity" after I sold bitcoin on localbitcoin and sent it to the address the guy gave me, years ago. Couldn't get it reinstated, ruined a great and profitable btc flipping business prior to tax laws.

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LabFormer5385 1 - 2 years account age. 35 - 100 comment karma. 11 hs ago

That's really cool man... that's a minimum of 30k for each...

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succulentbullshit 11 hs ago

Great way to make employees feel happy and invested about them going public.

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Sharean 11 hs ago

Nice move of them but it's a lot less than my gf's company handed out their employees when they went public. Coinbase being much larger, I expected them to be a bit more generous. But what the heck, still a great move on their part.

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Rezzeration 11 hs ago

Coinbase is terrible i have reached out many times because im having issues with my account and i get no help

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J-E-S-S-E- Redditor for 2 months. 11 hs ago

Must be nice

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callebbb Gold | QC: BTC 111 11 hs ago

I knew I shoulda been a customer service rep from home for this airdrop!

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_DeanRiding 11 hs ago

Wow that's like $30000 worth that's insane

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gordonmeyerjr WARNING: 8 - 9 years account age. 0 - 57 comment k 11 hs ago

Employees would be better off getting paid in BTC!

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_Cash-Flow_ Redditor for 1 months. 11 hs ago

Dayum, wish I worked at coinbase

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New_Regular_3942 Redditor for 2 months. 11 hs ago

Hello coinbase do you need a facility Manager! Please contact me :)!

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EthiopianBrotha 11 hs ago

Coinbase sucks so much

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Vlad_BAPE 11 hs ago

That's insane. They definitely treat their employees better than they treat they customers :))

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Heyweedman 11 hs ago

Set my limit to 380$

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badass2000 12 hs ago

Damm that's really awesome!

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mare07 12 hs ago

Coinbased

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ethleveragedlong 12 hs ago

I believe the correct word here is "Paid"

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TheClassiestPenguin Redditor for 11 months. 12 hs ago

Nah, gifting and paid mean different things when it comes to taxes.

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zeverbn 12 hs ago

This is so true, and cynical people should understand context in regards to federal laws.

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rawrtherapybackup 12 hs ago

thats easily $35,000

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C00lstorybra 12 hs ago

Look at mega mind over here

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neonflannel 12 hs ago

I wonder if this has anything to do with helping Coinbase dodge some taxes. Normally offering stock options and all that to employees is a great way of showing increased revenue but also somehow claiming a loss. This stuff is beyond me, but its food for thought.

Either way, this is really nice of Coinbase and I sure wouldnt mind being on their payroll.

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Gss2013 Bronze 12 hs ago

Wheres there customers shares.

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NoDamnPomegranates redditor for < 1 month 13 hs ago

Is IOTA compatible related to privacy with transacions, so it is able to be used in Signal? Can somebody explain or give a link?

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MarkMoneyj27 12 hs ago

Anything can be built on top of the Tangle, privacy can be built on top if that is what they want. If you encrypt data and then send it over the Tangle, that works, if you need more, you can build what you need on top, the Tangle is a protocol, a standard for data transfer of the iot.

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egoic 11 hs ago

I'm not sure if you can write privacy on top of the protocol in the same way though. While you could create a buffer between the wallet data and Signal data you would still have an open ledger on layer 1of the value transfer portion of things. Signal is very privacy oriented to being able to see amounts transfered and which wallets received which amounts might be a tough sell for them to their userbase

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NoDamnPomegranates redditor for < 1 month 12 hs ago

Thanks!

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5tormwolf92 15 hs ago

Signal reminds me off Oneplus.

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tmnxeq 15 hs ago

Very reasonable read. Feels like that should have been out earlier..

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JohnSolo-7 16 hs ago

Dude It’s just in beta, I think it’s really early still. Lets maybe chill a bit. Maybe wait and see the situation develop, or for signal or mob staff to give us more insight.

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zecg 18 hs ago

I just wanted them to make the desktop client load faster and allow us to choose compression level / resolution for photos and videos. Instead, we got a cypherpunk platform to make Moxie rich, that'll almost certainly make Signal not available for download in ever more countries.

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nobodysu 19 hs ago

Signal discussion violates rule 13.

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opkas 10 hs ago

There’s a rule against discussing one of the most important encrypted messaging apps in r/Privacy? What planet is this...?

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nobodysu 10 hs ago

Signal embeds cryptocurrency now. I'm not against your question, I'm saying that rules are inadequate.

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sbdw0c 20 hs ago

it just baffles me why anyone would use an unstable pseudo-crypto for exchanging value when buying something like a slice of pizza. They really should've gone with integrating a decentralized stablecoin like dai (or hell, even their own, stable community token that's always worth 1 USD) on their own L2 network, that would publish the transactions in a zk-rollup on Ethereum periodically to eliminate fees and still preserve transaction and account balance privacy.

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Iamtutut 20 hs ago

Signal VCs have their shitcoin, they're not looking for anything, just doing so damage control after they've been busted with "mobilecoin".

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ic_d 19 hs ago

How hard would it be to build our own version of signal?

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aerique 19 hs ago

You could check out https://status.im/ although I'd have to read up on how secure they really are compared to what they're claiming.

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Dein_Psychiater Yesterday

A scam is born.

We will treat this cancer with feedbacks in the App Stores.

Every cancer needs time, Signal needs a long feedback therapy.

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cryptofact Yesterday

Read this if you still have a question 😊👌

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tech-teddy redditor for < 1 week Yesterday

Someone at IF should give them a call. 📞

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Standard_Cry9141 Yesterday

it is better to connect with mobilecoin to solve their fee problem by using the iota network coliured coins :)

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funblox Yesterday

This would be awesome.

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itsmontoya Yesterday

I tweeted the blog poster about IOTA: https://twitter.com/itsmontoya/status/1382104711738773505

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SamsungGalaxyPlayer Yesterday

I like how even this post doesn't mention Monero, the elephant in the room. Monero is already the private payment network for the people, with 78 times as many private transactions as Zcash and Dash combined last month. And MobileCoin uses RingCT which was invented at the Monero Research Lab.

Why have an AMA if you can write a blog post that answers 0 difficult questions?

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AdonisGksu Yesterday

This poster is Flaired as "XMR Contributer" on /r/Monero, BTW, in case you thought this was all in good faith

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ntrid Yesterday

Does that make these statements any less true?

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SamsungGalaxyPlayer Yesterday

I've also been using/recommending Signal since early 2015, before I knew Monero even exited.

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HashMoose Yesterday

Unbelievable that Signal managed to write all that without:

Mentioning Monero once, which is the only integration people would actually want and the uncredited source of all the good parts of mob
Acknowledging the financial conflict of interest involving Moxie
Addressing the insanely greedy tokenomics of mob
Mission drift and the resulting regulatory risk
Why the AMA was ditched today

Oh wait did I say unbelievable? I meant totally believable at this point. Signal's reputation does one more circle around the drain

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ProgsRS 15 hs ago

I felt it was a bit ironic they were talking about Facebook's monopoly and being an 'alt' tech against it, then they mention they use GIPHY as an integration which is.. owned by Facebook.

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HashMoose 11 hs ago

haha I didn't even catch that. Looked it up, you're right fb does own giphy

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DragonFruit2021 15 hs ago

>Mentioning Monero once I was left scratching my head. How could they ignore Monero

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mastsinkbuoy 10 hs ago

Unfortunately, it feels rather improbable that it was unintentional :/ Yes, CryptoNote is the skeleton and prophecy bearer but there is too much code only introduced later thanks to Monero Labs's research & implementation, that has brought new, state of the art cryptography being used.. No doubt this will be asked during the AMA.

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imateapotandsocanyou Yesterday

agreed, this post is basically *how they should have introduced it* not how they should respond to the massive pushback for 5 days straight. I also enjoyed the somewhat patronizing tone a the end. It helped me feel like they understood the community's concerns. Edit, i posted this below but I think its valid to add on here: Note that the article used the scare tactic of talking about sku level resolution into what you buy. Thats ALSO a valid concern, but nobody is going to be buying their sex toys off adam and eve using signal (unless your friend puts it on their credit card first and you want to pay them back)

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imateapotandsocanyou Yesterday

agreed, this post is basically *how they should have introduced it* not how they should respond to the massive pushback for 5 days straight. I also enjoyed the somewhat patronizing tone a the end. It helped me feel like they understood the community's concerns. Edit, i posted this below but I think its valid to add on here: Note that the article used the scare tactic of talking about sku level resolution into what you buy. Thats ALSO a valid concern, but nobody is going to be buying their sex toys off adam and eve using signal (unless your friend puts it on their credit card first and you want to pay them back)

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gotamd Yesterday

> Mentioning Monero Or BCH, which is fast and cheap for P2P payments while also offering very good privacy through CashFusion. However, with that said, I don't really want any cryptocurrency integration in Signal. There are plenty of wallets, mobile and otherwise, that do a good job and it's easy to send an address or payment request over Signal already. It doesn't need to be a wallet too.

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ric2b 20 hs ago

BCH is not particularly fast, and not very private either. LTC or Nano are better options if privacy isn't a big concern, they're faster and have similar/lower fees.

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gotamd 15 hs ago

It is actually very private when using CashFusion: https://cashfusion.org/how-it-works/ It’s also very fast: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/9oqndm/peter_rizun_empirical_double_spend_probabilities/ (this is also getting quickly outdated as double spend proofs are getting added into most node implementations) Fees on BCH are about $0.001, which is two orders of magnitude lower than MobileCoin right now.

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ric2b 13 hs ago

>It’s also very fast: [https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/9oqndm/peter_rizun_empirical_double_spend_probabilities/](https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/9oqndm/peter_rizun_empirical_double_spend_probabilities/) If you accept payments with 0-confirmations you have a good chance of not getting screwed but you're still no faster than Nano... But good luck finding businesses willing to take the risk and accepting your 0-conf payments, no exchange does. >Fees on BCH are about $0.001, which is two orders of magnitude lower than MobileCoin right now. And Nano has no fees.

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gotamd 13 hs ago

> no faster than Nano... How fast is that, exactly? I can see BCH transactions broadcast within a second. That's faster than many of my messages are transmitted by Signal. > But good luck finding businesses willing to take the risk and accepting your 0-conf payments Almost all in-person businesses accept 0-conf BCH transactions if they accept BCH at all. > Nano has no fees. It also has a spam problem that causes the network to fall out of sync and transactions to fail or not process. It happens regularly. If you follow Nano, I'm sure you know that. Anyway, I'm not here to fight against Nano. I've used it in the past and I think it's interesting. Like I said before, I don't think Signal should implement any cryptocurrency wallet. The ability to transfer payment addresses/requests over text, which it already does, is enough.

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ric2b 7 hs ago

>How fast is that, exactly? I can see BCH transactions broadcast within a second. Yup, about the same. Except it's not just a 0-conf transaction. >Almost all in-person businesses accept 0-conf BCH transactions if they accept BCH at all. Sure, in-person transactions are less risky in terms of fraud, most businesses also don't check for fake banknotes either. Gee, I wonder why the online ones are more careful. >It also has a spam problem that causes the network to fall out of sync and transactions to fail or not process. It's quite recent and getting fixed soon. But yes, that problem is real. The same will happen to fraud-proofs in BCH, I bet. > I don't think Signal should implement any cryptocurrency wallet. The ability to transfer payment addresses/requests over text, which it already does, is enough. I agree with the first part but you can do better than copy pasting addresses, adding some integration API that wallets could support with a nice UI would be best.

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gotamd 7 hs ago

> Sure, in-person transactions are less risky in terms of fraud, most businesses also don't check for fake banknotes either. Gee, I wonder why the online ones are more careful. But in-person transactions are really the only time that sub-second or sub-minute processing really matters. If you're doing an online transaction you probably don't care about a 30 second delay in finality (if you follow links I already posted to BCH double spend research, you'll see that even a few seconds delay in double spend attempts makes them almost certain to fail even if very well connected). > The same will happen to fraud-proofs in BCH, I bet. I'm not sure how. Fraud proofs only happen when a node sees two transactions spending the same UTXO. The node will then basically bundle up the two transactions, and broadcast that they both simultaneously exist. It only causes more bandwidth or CPU utilization when there are actual double-spends being attempted. Currently, there are very few double spends attempted in BCH, and I can tell you that any reasonably modern CPU is not stressed by the BCH transaction load at all. I've personally synced the entire blockchain from genesis in less than 4 hours recently on an Intel NUC and 200/10Mbps home internet connection.

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ric2b 4 hs ago

>If you're doing an online transaction you probably don't care about a 30 second delay in finality Why wouldn't I? >you'll see that even a few seconds delay in double spend attempts makes them almost certain to fail even if very well connected). Assuming the miner that mines the next block plays along and doesn't simply accept the transaction that pays the highest fee. >Fraud proofs only happen when a node sees two transactions spending the same UTXO. The node will then basically bundle up the two transactions, and broadcast that they both simultaneously exist. And nothing says it's only two, it could be 1 million double spends of the same input. >It only causes more bandwidth or CPU utilization when there are actual double-spends being attempted. Which costs nothing to do. >Currently, there are very few double spends attempted in BCH There are a thousands each month, it's not that rare.

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gotamd 4 hs ago

Can you give me an example of when you care about a few seconds of processing time in an online transaction, especially in the context of using Signal as your method of payment or receipt of payment? I'm not seeing it. > Assuming the miner that mines the next block plays along and doesn't simply accept the transaction that pays the highest fee. The idea is that the recipients of both transactions would be notified that there is a double-spend attempt as soon as its made and could act accordingly to wait for a confirmation (or more than one) before proceeding. People could create massive amounts of double-spends right now on BCH. They don't. "Thousands a month" wastes negligible CPU time.

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SamsungGalaxyPlayer 14 hs ago

https://cashfusion.org/faqs/ > How does CashFusion's privacy compare to coins like Monero? > CashFusion aims to provide a working implementation of CoinJoin on top of the Bitcoin Cash protocol. CashFusion does not offer everything Monero does, nor is it an “ultimate” solution to privacy. They then say it can be good if a lot of people use it, which is something Bitcoin proponents say about mixing.

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gotamd 14 hs ago

A lot of people do use it because fees are low. The disclaimer about “ultimate privacy” should be on any crypto that might someday pass through a KYC exchange. No amount of protocol privacy is going to keep you private if you send coins there.

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ric2b 13 hs ago

>A lot of people do use it because fees are low. Source? There isn't even "a lot of people" using BCH. >No amount of protocol privacy is going to keep you private if you send coins there. This is wrong, Monero handles this just fine, as long as you don't make payments directly from the exchange (obviously) and send the funds to your own wallet first. The exchange will know you have an account with them and bought some Monero, that's it.

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gotamd 13 hs ago

> Source? There isn't even "a lot of people" using BCH. Here: https://stats.cash/#/fusion (I don't believe this site catches all CashFusion transactions, or if does it's delayed, but it catches many) > Monero handles this just fine, as long as you don't make payments directly from the exchange (obviously) and send the funds to your own wallet first. Not sure what's wrong. I'm talking about an exchange knowing about your activities on the exchange and KYC associated with that. You can't fix that with a privacy coin. BCH also hides your transaction activity once you cycle coins through CashFusion at nearly zero cost.

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ric2b 7 hs ago

>Here: [https://stats.cash/#/fusion](https://stats.cash/#/fusion) Is that supposed to help your case? 50 inputs per fusion? That's a tiny anonymity set. >Not sure what's wrong. I'm talking about an exchange knowing about your activities on the exchange and KYC associated with that. Sure, buying some Monero and withdrawing it, not much to go on. >You can't fix that with a privacy coin. Sure, but there's a lot that you can fix, and it happens to be the stuff people actually care about: who they are transacting with and for what. >BCH also hides your transaction activity once you cycle coins through CashFusion at nearly zero cost. Not nearly as well. It's just coin join, as the other commenter mentioned, and it's not used by most BCH users, which makes you a needle in a... small cup of hay.

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gotamd 7 hs ago

> Is that supposed to help your case? 50 inputs per fusion? That's a tiny anonymity set. Ok, would you like to try to de-anonymize some coins? I can arrange to make it happen.

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SamsungGalaxyPlayer 14 hs ago

That's a common misconception. It's not about hiding who you are from the exchange (though some people may also not trust an exchange with this info), it's about not sharing everything you have ever done with the exchange, similar to a cash deposit.

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gotamd 13 hs ago

Yes, CashFusion offers the same level of privacy on BCH.

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SamsungGalaxyPlayer 12 hs ago

The CashFusion team literally says, and I quote: "CashFusion does not offer everything Monero does." Their words, not mine. But if you do any digging, you will see that's the case. Also with Monero, using privacy features isn't inherently suspicious like it is with uncommon opt-in systems.

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gotamd 12 hs ago

I really don't care to get into a "my cryptocurrency is better than yours" style pissing match here. There are tradeoffs with both, and that's fine (e.g. exchanges delisting Monero entirely bc it's privacy-by-default). I don't even want Signal to integrate a wallet. I'm just pointing out that if they feel they *must* integrate a wallet, they should at least give users options besides MobileCoin, which is close to the worst of all worlds from a tradeoff perspective.

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Tricky-Astronaut Yesterday

BCH is neither fast, private nor mobile-friendly. It's clearly a bad fit for this use case. Unfortunately many commenters seem more interested in pumping their own coin than actually solving specific problems.

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gotamd 15 hs ago

It is actually very private when using CashFusion: https://cashfusion.org/how-it-works/ It’s also very fast: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/9oqndm/peter_rizun_empirical_double_spend_probabilities/ (this is also getting quickly outdated as double spend proofs are getting added into most node implementations) As far as mobile-friendliness goes, using an SPV wallet on mobile is pretty “friendly” to the end user. Even MobileCoin full nodes don’t run on phones, so I’m not sure why you say it’s better here.

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JawnZ 16 hs ago

Yeah, I just literally can't understand people shilling BCH of all things. What I think we can all agree on is that Signal probably goofed on integrating payments at all, but made it significantly worse by creating their own token with obvious greedy reasoning.

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Tricky-Astronaut 16 hs ago

The technology behind MobileCoin looks solid. If they could make a stablecoin based on this technology, it would probably be the best payment solution available on the market. It's still not too late to do it, and actually not that unrealistic if the community asks for it in a clear and civilized manner.

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HashMoose 11 hs ago

The tech is solid?? Thats a joke right??? This is a broken version of Monero Relying on Intel Chips is not solid (ever heard of intel management engine?) Centralizing nodes is not solid Refusing to credit the codebase you stole to build the only good parts is not solid Premining is not solid Putting government controls in the mission statement of a dang privacy coin is not solid 80 cent insider presale is not solid

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OsrsNeedsF2P Yesterday

I use BCH, it's fantastic, I pay for my domain names, VPN subscription, and even free-lance work in my field with it. But Mobilecoin is not based on BCH, so I understand there's a difference between not mentioning BCH and not mentioning what MOB was based on.

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gotamd Yesterday

They did mention ZCash and LN (BTC) specifically. I see a lot of people looking for Monero support around here and on HackerNews. I’d prefer BCH if they decide they must integrate a cryptocurrency wallet since I feel it’s the most useful cryptocurrency for P2P payments.

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ibenny87 Yesterday

I wouldn’t say a word if they built an application for this, based on Signal’s encryption and foundation. But integrating it in the current app is not the best idea from a few perspectives. I also understand the need to raise funds, but I would be way happier with a ‘classic’ subscription fee,for Signal, I’d happily pay that even though generally being heavily against this sort of model. It’d be much more cleaner and transparent.

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digital-cash Yesterday

Complete and utter bias. In their own words, MobileCoin is:

opt-in, user choice
$0.60 transaction fees
wire transfer to buy / sell MobileCoin
price volatility

opt-in, user choice

if it's all about "user choice", why don't they add multiple cryptos and let me decide which one I use or don't use?

$0.60 transaction fees

Bloody hell, I can send bitcoin transactions cheaper than that. There are many other cheaper options (dash is a fraction of one cent).

wire transfer to buy / sell MobileCoin

Well, if they hadn't chosen some obscure low market cap coin, me the user might of found it much easier to buy and sell it for fiat or some other pairs.

price volatility

Not much to say about this, other than low market cap coins have more volatility. And MobileCoin is ranked #733.

Signal put in a list of other unrealistic requirements regarding speed and privacy. Really, you think on day one Signal is going to generate more payments than other networks that have been here years?

For speed, easy integration, fast transactions, cheap transactions and long term scalability, they could of just integrated dash or use the Dash Platform API. Dash has numerous on / off ramps and does many thousands of instant transactions every day.

Want better privacy? Beam has one minute confirmation times and very private because there is no transaction history stored on it's blockchain. Beam devs are also working on GhostDAG which makes transactions super fast.

Zcash will also be rolling out faster and cheaper transactions.

Alternatively, if it's really about "user choice", just manage the wallet and keys in the background, invisible to the end user, pass the payment details across the Signal network, and just launch the appropriate user mobile wallet at the time of spending i.e. no need to copy and paste long payment addresses, it just launches the wallet and all the payment details are automatically filled in.

All of this can be done today, but they didn't. They built a set of unrealistic requirements that met their own MobileCoin requirements and then failed anyway on transactions fees and on / off ramps.

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scottjb814 Yesterday

I feel like I'm in upside-down-land. WhatsApp (!) took out an op-ed in Wired to stand against all the challenges to encrypted communication happening around the world. Signal says it's integrating a payment system that can be used to facilitate money laundering, which as u/Jaksic pointed out raises problems with regulatory risk and regulatory attention (yes, crypto-fans, I know that cash is used for money laundering too, and that there are oodles of legitimate uses of cryptocurrency that aren't speculation hoping for the next bitcoin-style rise in value, but that's not what's on the mind of most of the regulators around the world looking for backdoors in encrypted communications)

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happiness7734 Yesterday

As the world stands today, the future of transaction privacy does not look great.

And it will never look great, should never look great. What's interesting to me about this position by Signal is how deeply rooted it is in the notion that "money is speech ergo free speech must mean free money." Money isn't speech, though, and money should not have the same privacy protections that speech does. Only a cryptoanarchist would think otherwise.

Let's be honest. The only reason big tech cares about eliminating privacy is because their advertising based business models depend scooping up data everywhere. Money is different. As a society we have spent decades flushing out hidden sources of money from fat cats in tax havens, off-shore banking account, and through thrid-party intermediary. Now Signal comes along and says, "whoah boy, we have a new way for fat cats to hide money. Isn't it grand!"

No, it's not grand. It's stupid. It makes Signal the free speech platform commingled with Signal the money laundering platform. That's bad for free speech, anyway you look at it.

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digital-cash Yesterday

The filthy rich have always had people and tools at their disposal to hide money and pay less tax than the poor or middle class.. and why not, tax IS theft.. theft from everyone except the rich. There is absolutely no solution that can't be solved from pure and utter capitalism. For every taxed "solution" has, by definition, an unintended counter action. Socialism produces gross distortions in markets, benefitting some at the cost of others. Cryptocurrencies level the playing field, now we all get the same benefits, equality is good. And yes, money is free speech. Clearly you don't know that all cryptocurrencies function as a protocol, a language of how to build and proceed, the computations to execute an immutable transaction. Sure, to your average person it looks like a simple balance update but that is not reality, that's just not how it works. At the end of the day, it is, in fact, just zeroes and ones - my zeroes and ones - and it's not for anyone else to dictate what I choose to do with them.

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happiness7734 Yesterday

This is the typical cryptoanarchist line. I'm not surprised to find it here but I am relieved to know that most people don't share your viewpoint.

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digital-cash Yesterday

A typical socialist response. Good to know your tax is funding wars and selling arms in the name of "peace". How many nukes did your tax collector buy?

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Meeseeks-Answers Yesterday

I don't think any other coin had a chance. The story is something like CTO of mobcoin started signal so probably has some mobcoin which increased in value after Signal "chose" them:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/mm3iw9/mobilecoin_is_a_censored_monero_wannabe_premined/

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Sleeping_panda_ Yesterday

Why is payment option even coming to signal what’s the big picture here? And even if the payment option does comes to signal then can we just not ignore it? Or is it going to cause some major concerns over security and private messaging?

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SamsungGalaxyPlayer Yesterday

They only received MobileCoin VC investment with the assumption it would be added to Signal. The whole worth of the coin comes from their ability to push it on us.

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sa1 Yesterday

Something like GNU Taler, which comes without its own cryptocurrency, would have left less of a bad taste.

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Tricky-Astronaut Yesterday

GNU Taler is designed as an alternative to Visa and Mastercard. It isn't made for person-to-person payments. There's a reason why essentially no consumer app uses it.

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sa1 Yesterday

You’re right.

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godelski Yesterday

I'm not going to lie. This is a bit of a nothing statement. I do think people are too quick to call foul play, but at the same time Signal's statements aren't helping.

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OsrsNeedsF2P Yesterday

How is this a nothing statement? They clearly explain why Zcash/Monero/Lightning are not fit (which shuts up half this sub), then give thorough explanations on how it will be integrated, without being bloated or in the way.

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missquentin Yesterday

They don’t explain why mobilecoin _is_ a fit. Everyone seems to be taking for granted that signal needs a payment feature but that’s not obvious to me. They explain why they chose mobilecoin over a couple of potential other options but they also say the devs are “working on” making fees cost less. They say they are simply integrating a partner like any other, like giphy for instance. But they are also actively selling users that this is a good blockchain project. They are leaving the door open to cut and run if mobilecoin gets hacked or scams users, while assuring us that this is the best crypto project available and for various other reasons, other projects don’t meet their needs. Apparently community adoption, regulatory success, track record at scale, and decentralized governance were not factors in the vetting process. I think for a blog post defending a technology choice, acknowledging the tradeoffs of your choice is important. To shrug off projects like lightning or zcash with one-liners about their downsides, then say were going with some new kid on the block coin is like saying I don’t want to invest in apple because it’s too boring and I don’t want to invest in tesla because it’s too volatile, so obviously my only reasonable choice is to invest in Trivago.

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godelski Yesterday

> They clearly explain why Zcash/Monero/Lightning are not fit Let's be real, the people talking about those technologies aren't even remotely knowledgeable in cryptocurrencies, privacy, or security. We've stated this hundreds of times within the arguments on this subreddit. I even specifically mentioned it in my post defending Signal and people replied about this. The thing is, these things were previously mentioned. I could say the same thing about Moxie's involvement. 90% of the bashing on here is that Moxie is pushing some money making scam. Moxie already said he had no coins and people are still saying he needs to state his involvement, assuming he has coins. Thing is, he has. Let's be clear, *he can't get rich off of a pump and dump if he doesn't have anything to dump.* This is a nothing statement because it is all information that we've already know, through Signal. I'll admit that it aggregates it into a single place, which is (slightly) helpful. But half the people on here complaining are complaining about things they don't understand or acting like someone is forcing them to use an opt-in feature that in no way could even be forced on people. People that are going to complain are just going to complain. The major questions that stands are: regulatory concerns and if this will be a transactional tool or we'd have to use MOB to send payments. The former wasn't addressed here, but elsewhere, stating that they would whitelist countries where it is allowed (codebase reflects this too). So honestly this is a low concern. As to if it is just a transactional tool or we'll be trading MOB was not even discussed. So I'm calling it a nothing statement.

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jokasx 15 hs ago

Can you prove they have no coins besides word of mouth or something being written by the people themselves that have the conflict of interests?

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godelski 10 hs ago

Assuming the security in place is what they say it is, then no. But of course, this also gives a lot of merit to the official claim too. Because we could if they were using something like bitcoin or ether. Most coins aren't anonymous.

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Tricky-Astronaut Yesterday

> Let's be real, the people talking about those technologies aren't even remotely knowledgeable in cryptocurrencies, privacy, or security. Absolutely. Someone in this thread even proposed BCH of all cryptocurrencies. That's an exceptionally bad fit for Signal's use case (fast, private and mobile-friendly).

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9107201999 Yesterday

Maybe I’m the unpopular opinion but I’m super excited for this! Signal is a popular app that will popularize crypto, and mobilecoin is a quick and private coin. Say what you want about attack surface and Unix philosophy, this will improve convenient privacy and free speech, which is what signals goal is. I can’t wait to see this feature in the USA!

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HashMoose Yesterday

Dude, Mobilecoin is not coming to the USA. For the signal integration to be fully compliant, app store available etc, the wallet and transactions would need to be fully KYC'd, which would negate the privacy aspect and make mob even more worthless. Signal should just be signal, a private messenger for trading crypto wallet addresses. The integration brings so much risk and backlash with absolutely no additional benefit.

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seldenville 17 hs ago

Cash is safer than BTC. Also the fees is less than BTC to transfer it..

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fskdvr 18 hs ago

You just need the BTC address of someone and anyone can see the whole transaction history of the account

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diamonddicklife 18 hs ago

Well if your not a noob then you tumble your coin and it is safe, don’t have dobby use a market address and your pretty safe. Point blank, if you don’t tumble your coin your pretty stupid. You can definitely be safe with BTC.

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FoodnBeer 16 hs ago

How do you tumble your coins ?

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rKcEIIbS1 17 hs ago

If you say that you are a noob right now.

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ditatompel Yesterday

"For example, in September 2020, Chainalysis was awarded a $625,000 grant from the IRS to develop Monero-tracking software. Last November, Cipher- Trace also filed two patents for technologies related to tracing Monero transactions after working with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security."

But...

https://twitter.com/davejevans/status/1330008956270374918?s=21

XD

It's not tracking if more about probabilities rather than certainties.

Edit: typo

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KRATS8 Yesterday

What about coins like litecoin, ethereum etc.

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Two2Rails Yesterday

Neither of those are considered privacy coins afaik so I would expect their blockchains to be transparent, but that’s only a guess.

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spideys_memes Yesterday

It’s literally a public ledger

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McBurger Yesterday

That was an excellent read. Thank you. Can’t believe there are still folks who think Bitcoin is some counterculture resistance, when you’ve got the CIA directly stating that they wish every transaction could take place on bitcoin, because it’s so much easier to thwart and analyze!

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uxgpf Yesterday

Bitcoin has changed a lot in last 5 or so years. There's nothing counterculture about it anymore. Only memes and price speculation.

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Tangerine_Solid Yesterday

You misread the graph. There are different y-values for each side. Bitcoins is on the left

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Heisenberg_USA Yesterday

Everyone knows they can talk shit but most politicians are right now using Monero to keep their money safe and private.

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SQPhoenix Yesterday

From the article:

“Blockchain technology is a powerful but underuti- lized forensic tool for governments to identify illicit activity and bring criminals to justice. One expert on the cryptocurrency ecosystem called blockchain technology a “boon for surveillance.””

Jesus Christ

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gingeropolous Yesterday

Oh thanks Bitcoin. Man. C'mon monero. Save us from this surveillance nightmare world.

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FartsBlowingOverPoop Yesterday

Great post!

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Alltoyd Yesterday

fantastic read thanks for posting!

this community has known about how shit bitcoin is for anonymity for 5 years. blame the media for throwing bitcoin up on such a high pedestal

first in best dressed, i guess

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ColaManiac1 Yesterday

Right lol

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castrator21 Yesterday

This is huge! I hadn't realized that monero transaction volume had surpassed bitcoin either. It implies that monero is working as intended to prevent people from seeing all transactions and can truly be used as digital cash.

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Tangerine_Solid Yesterday

You misread the graph. There are different y-values for each side. Bitcoins is on the left

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castrator21 Yesterday

Yep, totally missed that secondary axis. Still a lot of transactions, and trending in the right direction!

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yourfkdbutdontnoit Yesterday

It hasn’t actually. The monero scale is 1/20th of the Bitcoin.

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readyreadyreadyready Yesterday

Should post this to r/cryptocurrency. Newbs need to understand this

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readyreadyreadyready Yesterday

I think I’m banned there

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LarraXamar Yesterday

All of the experts we consulted believe that governments have been slow to recognize the forensic power of block- chain technology. This lag reflects a lack of awareness at senior and working levels, as well as the challenges understanding and working with the extreme complex- ity of the computer science associated with blockchain forensics.

Bullish🦍

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historian2020 Yesterday

Looking at the CIA's history, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they are funding some of their activities using Monero and other cryptocurrencies nowadays.

For those interested in the questionable history of the CIA, please check what investigative journalist Gary Webb uncovered. The man literally sacrificed it all for the truth. Webb was a real journalist with tons of integrity, a rare trait to find in the business today.

If 'Epstein did not kill himself' resonates with you, so will probably 'Gary Webb did not commit a suicide by two gunshot wounds to the head.'

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MaZZeL3L Yesterday

three letter orgs built the tor network and because they use it, it isn't banned. I want the same for Monero

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libertarianets Yesterday

[The CIA is a terrorist organization](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI&ab_channel=SecondThought)

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fosterbarnet Yesterday

420$ on 4/20.

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ozkraut Cultured Yesterday

Ah the free marketing eh?

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bawdyanarchist Yesterday

Wow ... FINALLY. Finally a govt report that gives an ACCURATE synopsis of the situation on cryptos. Finally, a govt report that doesn't say some stupid shit about "privacy coins" like zcash and Dash, and only mentions Monero. Finally, someone that doesn't appear to be coming in with an agenda and narrative to spin, and largely just lays out the facts.

One thing I found amusing:

Another went so far as to say that “if all criminals used blockchain, we could wipe out illicit financial activity.”

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farts_smell_nice Yesterday

technically he's an independent advisor now, but his name should carry a lot of weight nonetheless. edit: yea, that gave me a good chuckle too.

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farts_smell_nice Yesterday

crosspost per request. Interesting read by michael morell, former director of the CIA, on BTC and AECs (i.e. monero).

TL:DR = BTC < Monero, Cryptospace good

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PrisonOfH0pe Yesterday

Someone should cross-post to r/CryptoCurrency

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-TrustyDwarf- 19 hs ago

> Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/CryptoCurrency.

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kaitje Yesterday

Nice, could you also post in /r/monero?

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farts_smell_nice Yesterday

sure, crossposted

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headtowniscapital Yesterday

Thank you! It's post like this I need to get even more confident in the project! 🙏

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farts_smell_nice Yesterday

If this isn't fucking bullish longterm, I don't know what is. The conclusion doesn't even take a negative stance on crypto.

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postapaleta redditor for 5 days 11 hs ago

I have few dollars and bitcoin, I'm fucked in two currencies.

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nmeinenemy 12 hs ago

Lol, no, btc is another asset.

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kmundy 12 hs ago

I've been looking for any discussion on impact of a future digital dollar on Bitcoin, but haven't found anything yet. Also curious about peoples thoughts on whether interest rates rising (and Fed tapering of bond purchases) will impact the demand for bitcoin?

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Miffers 13 hs ago

Don’t worry I have converted all my fiat to tether. I am ready.

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banana_clipz 14 hs ago

No it’s definitely not

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saltmy 14 hs ago

What do you all think of China’s digital currency and how will that affect crypto?

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PrizeSign5 15 hs ago

Bitcoin is a fiat...

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AccountantBoth2175 17 hs ago

k

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obeesix 19 hs ago

And how are you paying for your crypto right now

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clickbait213868 redditor for 3 months 5 hs ago

With ether

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sorrterr 15 hs ago

Some people simply go to work and get paid in BTC. Look at microstategy. The board is being paid in BTC. Saylor replaced fiat with BTC and is creating a functioning system around it. Its hard to see the real objects when you been watching shadows your whole existence.

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kubi 20 hs ago

Username checks out.

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SwitchesBeSwitching Yesterday

Sigh..... Dollar isn't dying and crypto isn't replacing shit. I love BTC as much as the next person but can't believe that people buy into that mindset. Crypto is no better than fiat, it is just a good alternative

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Gwsb1 13 hs ago

IMHO crypto is currently an interesting investment. Until an individual can transfer it without fear of losing it all irretrievably is nothing more than a curiosity.

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PandFThrowaway 19 hs ago

When push comes to shove no one actually wants BTC. They want the USD/EUR/Etc that it’s worth...And that’s really not changing.

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Heron_Muted 11 hs ago

Lol you speaking for everyone now?

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buscoamigos 13 hs ago

No, people want a currency they can transact in. Right now that currency is the one issued by their government but it does not always have to be that way

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NerdDexter 14 hs ago

This is what I keep saying as well, but of course it is always met with downvotes. No one wants or cares to be able to use bitcoin as a currency. They just want its worth IN FIAT to keep growing and growing and growing so they can eventually cash it out IN FIAT and use it for more than what it was worth when they bought it. If we actually cared about it being a real, stable currency, we wouldn't want the price to be so volatile and ever-changing.

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StackThoseSats redditor for 3 months 12 hs ago

"no one" is a big assumption lol, maybe "no one you know". Bitcoin is a better monetary technology than everything else right now, is a better and more secure money network. Of course price raising is funny and bull market is fun, but is only temporary while the rest of the world catches on, eventually there won't be price volatility, so no one really "want" that, is just a thing that's happening right now. I don't trade bitcoin, and most people I know don't either, so "no one" I know would agree with you

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Gwsb1 13 hs ago

Preach it, brother! In other words, it's an investment.

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sorrterr 15 hs ago

No one wants fiat either. They want the things they can buy with fiat. So following your logic we should all barter. Ill give 2 chickens and a box of bullets for your lambo fine sir

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hamburg101 redditor for 2 weeks 18 hs ago

So true.

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mathaiser 20 hs ago

Thank you. I’m all for bitcoin, but let’s not get blinded by the light.

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Specialist_Ad_9419 Yesterday

cash will always be king. in times of crisis holding cash will be easiest. loading your wallet in the middle of whatever pandemonium will be costly just on time alone. cash is ready as it is in hand. Will always be

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Gwsb1 13 hs ago

Gold coin silver coin.

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Miffers 13 hs ago

There will be no internet when the world falls apart

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magneticman245 19 hs ago

Cash =/= fiat. It would be entirely possible to have physical cash backed by Bitcoin.

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Specialist_Ad_9419 18 hs ago

cash = payment system =/= Bitcoin. Bitcoin is a store of value I.e. gold, oil, it is not a payment system. on a one time transaction it can be used but not repeatable and there couldn’t possibly even enough in circulation to be used as a payment system but rather as a store of value due to its finite nature. you pay 20k for a car one day, not including depreciation in cars value, person 2 next day buys same car @ 24k, person 3 buys same car 2 days later @ 5k. store of value, not payment system. digital currency is not cash, it can be exchanged into cash but cash is fiat. You have to hold it, you have to touch it, it has to be agreed upon everywhere at all times not just sometimes on what’s it’s purchasing value is. Btc is still figuring that part out as we live it, cash has the jump.

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actum_tempus Yesterday

it's happening... and fast! esp. the United States seem to be really crypto-friendly. europes institutions and companys are investing too, but maybe they still think about making the EuroCoin

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OB1182 20 hs ago

Looking at how Americans in the US have to register every trade they make for taxes I'd argue that Europe is crypto friendlier.

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bjornulsen 12 hs ago

This stupid rule applies in Norway too

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coinfeeds-bot Yesterday

tldr; Grayscale CEO Michael Sonnenshein has announced that TIME Magazine will be receiving some payments in Bitcoin. The company will hold the Bitcoin on its balance sheet. TIME President Keith Grossman retweeted the news, blessing the partnership. Grayscale is a cryptocurrency asset manager that holds over 3% of the Bitcoin.

This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

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Churn Gold | QC: BCH 15 | BSV 8 | r/SysAdmin 20 2 days ago

🎶“Tiiiiiiiiiiiime is on my side. Yes it is!!” 🎶

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mardix 2 days ago

TIME will tell

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ThatDudeYaDigg Tin 2 days ago

After reading this thread, I think it's TIME we end these puns lol

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RightBlacksmith9 2 days ago

Cryptocurrency fund leader Grayscale Investments is partnering with Time Magazine on a new video series to be released this summer, announces Grayscale CEO Michael Sonnenshein.
Equally important, says Sonnenshein, Time has agreed to be paid in bitcoin (BTC-USD) and will hold said bitcoin on its balance sheet.
Time was purchased by Salesforce.com (NYSE:CRM) founder and CEO Marc Benioff for $190M nearly three years ago. The two companies' operations, however, have nothing to do with each other.

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coinfeeds-bot Platinum|5monthsold|QC:CC277,BTC105,ETH72|TraderSu 2 days ago

tldr; Grayscale CEO Michael Sonnenshein has announced that TIME Magazine will be receiving some payments in Bitcoin. The company will hold the Bitcoin on its balance sheet. TIME President Keith Grossman retweeted the news, blessing the partnership. Grayscale is a cryptocurrency asset manager that holds over 3% of the Bitcoin.

This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

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DDelphinus Platinum | QC: CC 204, LedgerWallet 34 2 days ago

Perfect TIMEing?

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jjohns91 2 days ago

The TIMES are a changing....

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kushkloudzz 2 days ago

TIMEs have changed!

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DonutCravings 2 days ago

Corporate FOMO is unreal. The catalyst started with Microstrategy’s corporate guide on entering the space. The real FOMO will begin once the FANNGs stocks enter...soon.

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sotoyjuan 3 - 4 years account age. 200 - 400 comment karma. 2 days ago

Not FOMO, adoption!

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DonutCravings 2 days ago

This feels more like FOMO to me, but happy to know your thoughts. Adoption would indicate they’re incorporating crypto as a key part of their business model. The only corporation that truly adopted crypto are crypto-native companies like coinbase and blockfi, etc. This current environment feels more like they are throwing whatever they can and hoping something sticks. It feels more like 1) they want to stay relevant, and/or 2) trying to disrupt themselves before someone disrupts them. Adoption will come from consumers’ demand, rather than corporate pull. We’re still too early in the space for there to be a heavy consumer demand.

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sotoyjuan 3 - 4 years account age. 200 - 400 comment karma. 2 days ago

Nice, I know prefer your point of view

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pm_me_cute_sloths_ 2 days ago

Imagine the FOMO when a popular online retailer lets you purchase goods and services with crypto

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DonutCravings 2 days ago

With PayPal, aren’t all retailers who accept PayPal technically accepting crypto? Long reply, but if anyone reads through it, I’m genuinely curious on what you think. My opinion is retailers accepting crypto isn’t where mainstream adoption will start. There’s too many “investors” in crypto, and not enough users. For us to be incentivized to spend crypto, we need better tax laws (no more capital gain on purchases below $X), and we need incentive to use crypto (3-5% discount on goods when using crypto for not using a credit card as the merchant no longer needs to incur that cost. As credit card companies usually charge a fixed price + percentage of sale price (ie:10 cents per swipe + 5% off sale price), merchants should be able to give discounts and still come out on top. This type of adoption will happen once we consider certain crypto as medium of exchange, rather than store of value - which I think isn’t for another 5-10 years. The next catalyst will continue to happen with “investors,” instead of users. Corporations, especially wealth management companies, have an obligation to consider all investments, else they wouldn’t be doing their due diligence/fiduciary duty. Once large tech companies begin piling in, wealth management companies will have a fiduciary duty to at least consider putting in a small percentage of their asset under management to crypto. That will be the next FOMO, and I think we’re at the start. My guess is this will happen during this bull run as we now have the corporate infrastructure to custody the asset (state street recently announced the custodying of crypto, and coinbase).

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Eur1sk0 5 - 6 years account age. 300 - 600 comment karma. 2 days ago

That's huge considering that TIME is a conservative institution. For me that's bigger news than Elon Musk's adoption. It's a clear sign that BTC is the future.

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cat_on_a_stick 8 - 9 years account age. 450 - 900 comment karma. 2 days ago

Why do you consider TIME a conservative instution? It's owned by Benioff

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Eur1sk0 5 - 6 years account age. 300 - 600 comment karma. 1 day ago

Conservative in comparison to Elon’s attitude. TIME is a conservative medium because it addresses and appeals to conservative subscribers. Their articles are about well established ideas and companies with low risk and low profit margin. On the contrary Elon’s mentality is towards high risk and high profit margin endeavour e.g. Tesla, space X, PayPal, etc. Elon’s mentality is about identifying or/and investing in the next DIET, disruptive technology emerging innovation

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robis87 Platinum | QC: CC 997 2 days ago

exactly. goes to show the very width of this rising wave

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JuiceAggressive Gold | 6 months old | QC: CC 52 2 days ago

About TIME this happened

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robis87 Platinum | QC: CC 997 2 days ago

It was only a matter of TIME:

One of the most recognizable publications in the world, TIME Magazine will now be receiving some payments in Bitcoin, according to Grayscale CEO Michael Sonnenshein. And, most importantly, it won’t be immediately converting that crypto to fiat.

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sickvisionz Gold | QC: CC 82 | r/Politics 21 2 days ago

These would be a lot cooler (cooler definitely as a relative term) if they were actual video of the company ringing the bell or like some older companies, complete with like 20th century video footage of people yelling.

I want to se them go full Topps and have trader stats like baseball cards used to. Have special digi-foil "Rookie Class of 83" cards and stuff.

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r-2-eth-2 2 days ago

NYSE

When we decided to mint the NYSE's first NFTs it was fitting that we chose to memorialize that particular one-of-a-kind moment. Our first class of NYSE NFTs celebrates the First Trades of these notable listings: Spotify, which executed the first ever Direct Listing, Snowflake, Unity, DoorDash, Roblox and Coupang, the largest U.S. IPO so far this year. We are starting with these six, but we know there will be many more NYSE NFTs to come as we continue to welcome new, innovative companies to our community.

Market Conditions

ETH:    $2,143.56
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Ratio:  0.0356
Date:   Apr 12 2021

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Gringo4 :Ethereum: Analyst 2 days ago

LOL :)

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guyatwork37 Silver | QC: CC 26 2 days ago

You're telling me the stodgiest of institutional money is on the NFT train now? Can this ride be over already?

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njm204 Tin 2 days ago

Yeah! As soon as institutions make enough money

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ChaosCouncil 2 days ago

Ok boomer

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Habanos_ashe 2 days ago

"Bitcoin has no unique value at all. It is a delusion, basically." -Warren Buffett, Eats McDonalds for Breakfast Everyday

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Mighty_Zen redditor for 2 weeks 2 days ago

Jolly good fun this.

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SecretlyReformed 2 days ago

Over 5 million percent wrong lmao

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slevinlopine redditor for 3 months 2 days ago

Wow...

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rooterRoter 2 days ago

Dead.

Dead set on going to the fooking moon!

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CryptoSpectacle redditor for 2 months 2 days ago

We see that these “experts” are simply not able to understand the BTC wave of change. One thing I’ve never heard on Reddit about the rise of BTC is the analogy with the music industry and downloadable music. Yet, to me it’s amazingly similar. Back in the days, you had an immensely rich music industry that trusted their model of music = physical records sales. Then downloadable music sites showed up and they fought against it by suing users (which was pathetic). They could not deal with the change and NOT ONE major label embraced the new tech. Not one! Adoption came through Apple then Spotify, etc. The music industry was forced to adapt eventually. I feel we see the same thing with the banking / financial industry. They are an immensely monopoly and there’s no reason for them to change. Hence all the FUD. But going back to music... how often do you buy a CD today? ... even asking the question sounds silly, right? Change is happening in front of our eyes, right now. What a great time to be riding the BTC wave of change!

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

There is no excuse anymore IMO. When something is worth 1T$ and growing 100% in 3 months, if you don’t try to at least understand it, I have bad news.

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Ianyat 2 days ago

I was at least 30,000% wrong. I seriously considered buying a few when the price was like $200 for fun because I thought the technology was cool. But back then, bitcoin did not have a bright future and it wasn't that easy to buy. The main uses were black market transactions and the main black market was being investigated by the FBI. No thanks, it was not a good investment with available knowledge at the time.

The next time I considered buying in I was surprised the price had jumped so much, but several exchanges were hacked around that time and people lost their money. Nope, seemingly not a good idea at $800 either.

I made a small gain in 2017, but was never a true believer. After the huge crash and the huge transaction fees it seemed like bitcoin had failed it's mission of being a currency or a store of value.

No regrets, can't change the past.

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

It has been 10 years at least. Probably the hardest 10 years in BTC history. I arrived very late to the party but the evidence is overwhelming.

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thewilhite 2 days ago

“Timothy Lee, precisely 5,000,000% wrong”

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

Being 5M% wrong is like being Satoshi Nakamoto himself and not believing your own creation xD. How early was this guy to declare the death of BTC!

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Bitcoin_is_plan_A redditor for 7 weeks 2 days ago

Mike was precisely 13.817% wrong*

"Why has Bitcoin failed? It has failed because the community has failed..."

thanks for the cheap coins mike ;)

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knuF 2 days ago

First .lol domain I have visited.

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PyramidMarmoset redditor for 7 weeks 2 days ago

Second for me! Check out keys.lol :)

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

Me too

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johnturtle 2 days ago

How did you do the chart animations?

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MrJumbo 2 days ago

chart.js with a shit ton of tweaking haha

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

This is not mine. Just the messenger

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MrJoeCabot 2 days ago

"A bubble. I predict this one will pop once the novelty wears off." Timothy B Lee, Tech Writer 5,212,379% wrong

Article: http://timothyblee.com/2011/04/18/the-bitcoin-bubble/

The comments are great

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

That is too good

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Sedknieper 2 days ago

The tittles of the individuals are funny, but it should have their real, self used titles. I would like to be able to show this site to non-bitcoin believers and show them how wrong these "authoritative" people have been.

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cak10e1 2 days ago

“Nouriel Roubini - old man that yells at Bitcoin” hahaha

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Nossa30 2 days ago

When the day Roubini is bullish, Sell....

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DrDankMemesPhD 2 days ago

When he's bullish Bitcoin will be the world reserve asset.

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wavycapsurfer redditor for 4 days 2 days ago

Haha nice work 😂

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

Not mine. Just the messenger

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wavycapsurfer redditor for 4 days 2 days ago

thanks for spreading ✌

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PeteDaKat 2 days ago

This is such egg on face and so much crow to eat!

I wish I could give it more than 1 up-vote.

I'll send this to a negative buddy and tell him to spend 10 minutes with this. He believes every bit of crap coming out of the mouths of the ignorant and the FUDsters and takes it as gospel. I wish I could get him to calibrate his Bullshit Detector, but the years make me grow ever more pessimistic. I'm coming to the conclusion that he is unable to discern.

He'll believe a stranger on the internet before he'll believe the Bentley in my driveway. That's a metaphor. He sees me make a shit-tonne, then promptly launches into another bitcoin is dead meme. I've rolled my eyes up into my head so many times, I'm afraid they're gonna get stuck. Is there something in the water? Do they have intervention teams for this?

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

This is actually a great reference to have. FUDstrer friends? Boomer family? Just share the link and say: your quote comes next. xD

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

I just got a guy who was 53000% wrong. Anyone got higher?

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klopptimus-prime 2 days ago

23,000,000% was the highest one I saw.

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Turbulent_Effect6072 2 days ago

I got this: Timothy was precisely 5,153,770% wrong* "A bubble. I predict this one will pop once the novelty wears off." -Timothy B Lee, Tech Writer

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Hedgehog2986 2 days ago

I got one that was 760000% wrong from 2011

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

OOf. imagine being close to 1M% wrong.

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coffee_for_dinner 2 days ago

On August 2011 Nicholas Jackson, Tech Journalist said: > "Bitcoins are nothing. You can't live in them and you can't wear them. You can't turn them into real estate or jewelry. " Nicholas was precisely 767,518% wrong.

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

Ouch. That's a whole lotta wrong

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raumi75 2 days ago

Good job! This is a fun size

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

Not mine, just spreading the word 😂

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MrFrancy 2 days ago

I hate that the graph doesn't start from the quotes date

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

It doesn’t? I think it plots the chart from the quote date until today

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MrFrancy 2 days ago

[This happens to me](https://i.imgur.com/4jJi2uy.png)

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PeteDaKat 2 days ago

The site worked well with Brave on Ubuntu and Safari on iOS.

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

uhm, try a different browser, that doesn't look good

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actitud_Caribe 2 days ago

I'm having the same issue in iOS Chrome. Also there's a bit of unnecessary vertical scroll even if content doesn't go past the fold. The website is great nonetheless. Some people were really waaaay off!

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Shubingson 2 days ago

My god how many quotes are there

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

Waaay too many

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Tricky_Dragonfly_28 2 days ago

I ain’t clicking that link

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hateschoolfml 2 days ago

This is hilarious and beautifully engineered. Enjoyed it 😂

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e4109c 2 days ago

It shows quotes from supposedly famous people on how Bitcoin is ‘dying’ and how wrong they were, it’s pretty amusing

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

Fair enough. I knew most people wouldn’t but i don’t know how else to share this. It’s really cool

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

This site is too good. Enjoy!

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Ryan Selkis - @twobitidiot

RT @NischalShetty: Good to see innovators like @NandanNilekani discussing crypto innovation in India 🇮🇳 Crypto will play an important role in helping India reach its $5T economy goal. #IndiaWantsCrypto https://t.co/wtsUIriWWH

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Balaji S. Srinivasan - @balajis

RT @RahulSanghi1: ICYMI a brilliant double-header blogpost from the @Product_nation team & @balajis on adding 'Crypto to India Stack' Read on to see how India unlocks (& accesses) future capital markets for its citizens & MSMEs via the emerging decentralised crypto-economy https://t.co/tRSMBZZ6lH

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Chris Dixon - @cdixon

RT @katie_haun: India is one of the biggest untapped crypto markets in the world. Its embracing the crypto economy would provide an important blueprint for other countries to follow https://t.co/ciAYtdiqvI

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Kathryn Haun - @katie_haun

India is one of the biggest untapped crypto markets in the world. Its embracing the crypto economy would provide an important blueprint for other countries to follow https://t.co/ciAYtdiqvI

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Emin Gün Sirer - @el33th4xor

During the post-pandemic stagflation phase, the developing countries that can attract moneyflows into their economies via crypto will pull ahead. https://t.co/VDcNiAXxbx

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Chris Burniske - @cburniske

RT @twobitidiot: It’s hard to overstate how big crypto could be for India. Super encouraging to see this from some of their leaders. The position is evolving in the direction of growth! https://t.co/KVGhH9HHmb

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Leigh Cuen - @La__Cuen

RT @arjunblj: #Bitcoin and crypto have the potential to catapult India on the global stage. https://t.co/c1jTnAxwYp

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Arjun Balaji - @arjunblj

#Bitcoin and crypto have the potential to catapult India on the global stage. https://t.co/c1jTnAxwYp

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Wong Joon Ian - @joonian

Wow bigshots in India are now waking up to crypto... they must have been reading @balajis feed ?! https://t.co/2FsBk3M6oS

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Meltem Demirors - @Melt_Dem

if India implements this, it will become a blueprint for every other nation state on the planet 🌎 economies should embrace the promise of #Bitcoin and public blockchain networks https://t.co/MztOtoSR2L

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Rachael Horwitz - @RachaelRad

“The internet connected the average Indian to millions of sources of information. Could crypto protocols connect Indians to millions of sources of capital?” https://t.co/IS62wcCpAp

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Muneeb Ali - @muneeb

Dear @ImranKhanPTI, The next frontier for economic growth is the crypto economy. India is quickly realizing the potential of Bitcoin and crypto-assets. Time for your move. https://t.co/VT20oOxPcZ

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Ryan Shea - @ryaneshea

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Kyle Samani - @KyleSamani

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Balaji S. Srinivasan - @balajis

RT @kichsr: A manifesto that can elevate India from a state of fear to the greatest beneficiary of the biggest wealth generation event in the last century Crypto, fastest growing source of capital 🤝 India, fastest growing large economy with insatiable demand for credit + foreign investment https://t.co/dXaflQuhxo

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Soona - @soonaorlater

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Daniel Ƀ - @csuwildcat

The first item and third item are the same thing - the data should live in your identity-secured personal datastore. https://t.co/PCYbGOFOVv

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Meltem Demirors - @Melt_Dem

bitcoin is value additive to national economies 💪🏾 excellent leadership from @balajis on this https://t.co/ltRESLmvR7

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Rachael Horwitz - @RachaelRad

The countries that embrace and nurture crypto now will be the winners of this next wave of innovation we’re still just at the beginning of. https://t.co/Y3Se8xpEct

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Kathryn Haun - @katie_haun

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Muneeb Ali - @muneeb

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Ryan Selkis - @twobitidiot

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Neeraj K. Agrawal - @NeerajKA

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Will Warren - @willwarren89

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Arjun Balaji - @arjunblj

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Linda Xie - @ljxie

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Preethi Kasireddy - @iam_preethi

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Fred Ehrsam - @FEhrsam

Crypto is a generational opportunity for countries to embrace https://t.co/ucVFzuHU9u

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Brian Armstrong - @brian_armstrong

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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