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dooglus 1 year ago

Is this a contradiction?

Does the project have members or not?

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kuriose_ando 1 year ago

I would title this "How the young Internet had its own scaling/political problems and what we can learn from it"

Some ideas:

The IETF is to Internet as Core is to Bitcoin.
Internet also had various attempt to claim control over its destiny. Do not let it happen to Bitcoin.
The development of the underlying system is mainly an engineering problem (Internet / Bitcoin)
Rough consensus is a proven governance model for a non-profit decentralized engineering driven organization.
How rough consensus works

Must read!

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soluvauxhall 1 year ago

Blockstream's PR staff continues to put out some great articles, thanks!

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earonesty 1 year ago

You know I made a proposal that had a profound lack of disagreement or agreement, and I completely thought that meant it was no good. I might try to resurrect it. Thanks a lot.

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autotldr 1 year ago

This is the best tl;dr I could make, @bergealex4/the-tao-of-bitcoin-development-ff093c6155cd">original reduced by 98%. (I'm a bot)

Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Bitcoin^#1 consensus^#2 development^#3 process^#4 developer^#5

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sanblu 1 year ago

Fantastic read, thanks!

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chabes 1 year ago

Great read. Thanks for sharing

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realistbtc 1 year ago

you know what is the most pathetic part of this kind of propaganda ?

seeing u/adam3us , ceo of blockstream , retweeting the piece written by his employee like it's some grand analysis and revelation .

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adam3us 1 year ago

i thought it was pretty well researched, has quotes you can follow links on, and talks about a very related bit of history in open internet protocol process from IETF. the first time I read it, or was even aware /u/brg444 was writing it, was when people linked to it publicly. it is a matter of principle that Bitcoin remain free, and following the IETF lead on avoiding a corporatised pivot of bitcoin is critical to Bitcoin remaining Bitcoin - holding on to it's ethos - and something many many people will be willing to fight for. If you dont care much about open Bitcoin, good for you - but dont expect Bitcoin true believers to agree with you.

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dontcensormebro2 1 year ago

Let's not forget your paid consultant Luke created an implementation of bitcoin outside of Core that would create a network split. The reddit admins you are in bed with allowed him to astroturf it, you helped astroturf it on twitter through retweets. You will do just about anything to suit your needs, there is no goal post that can be moved too far. You are a disgrace to bitcoin.

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dontcensormebro2 1 year ago

Do you even know what your employees are doing or what they are tasked with? For someone that says Bitcoin is so little of their business, why is Bitcoin so much of what you do? You sponsor conferences and direct what can be talked about, pay for communications consultants, troll reddit, in bed with Bitcoin media. Sure sounds like Bitcoin is your product, or at least you want it to be.

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dontcensormebro2 1 year ago

You do realize that Blockstream is a corporation right? You do realize that you cornered the bitcoin development community right? I'm a true Bitcoin believer, don't come here patronizing us. Tell you what. If YOU and BLOCKSTREAM (which doesn't even hold any bitcoin) don't believe in the Bitcoin laid out by Satoshi, then YOU can fork off or create your own coin. GTFO

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adam3us 1 year ago

blockstream does hold bitcoin. rest of your comments are also wrong.

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dontcensormebro2 1 year ago

You certainly do not hold bitcoin, you are even quoted saying so. I'm sure someone can find it. ALL of your comments are wrong. You sound like Luke...LIAR

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adam3us 1 year ago

I also own Bitcoin. I already said this.

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dontcensormebro2 1 year ago

Blockstream paid article

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homopit 1 year ago

brg4 is Blockstream's Communications Consultant - https://blockstream.com/team/alex-bergeron/

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tunaynaamo 1 year ago

Yeah, the way the article has been laid out is similar to how bank representatives talk.

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BitcoinAllBot 1 year ago

Here is the link to the original comment thread. Or you can comment here to start a discussion. Author: maskedgenius

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Kevin Pham - @_Kevin_Pham

RT @WhalePanda: "Bitcoin trader tortured with drill" in the Netherlands. The robbers were dressed as police with bulletproof vests and masks and they made his 4 year old daughter watch as they were torturing him. He survived but was heavily wounded. Stay safe. https://t.co/3b58gbgKZK

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#33kByJuly3018Moku //not_giving_away_ETH\\ - @CarpeNoctom

RT @WhalePanda: "Bitcoin trader tortured with drill" in the Netherlands. The robbers were dressed as police with bulletproof vests and masks and they made his 4 year old daughter watch as they were torturing him. He survived but was heavily wounded. Stay safe. https://t.co/3b58gbgKZK

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Nick Szabo⚡️ - @NickSzabo4

RT @WhalePanda: "Bitcoin trader tortured with drill" in the Netherlands. The robbers were dressed as police with bulletproof vests and masks and they made his 4 year old daughter watch as they were torturing him. He survived but was heavily wounded. Stay safe. https://t.co/3b58gbgKZK

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Marty Bent - @MartyBent

RT @WhalePanda: "Bitcoin trader tortured with drill" in the Netherlands. The robbers were dressed as police with bulletproof vests and masks and they made his 4 year old daughter watch as they were torturing him. He survived but was heavily wounded. Stay safe. https://t.co/3b58gbgKZK

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Dennis Parker⚡️ - @Xentagz

RT @WhalePanda: "Bitcoin trader tortured with drill" in the Netherlands. The robbers were dressed as police with bulletproof vests and masks and they made his 4 year old daughter watch as they were torturing him. He survived but was heavily wounded. Stay safe. https://t.co/3b58gbgKZK

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Jeffrey - @DaytradeJeffrey

Today a Dutch Bitcoin trader was tortured with a drill in his own home. If you get those lambos, it's better not to post them folks. https://t.co/6YqxzRzyB8

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Samson Mow - @Excellion

RT @WhalePanda: "Bitcoin trader tortured with drill" in the Netherlands. The robbers were dressed as police with bulletproof vests and masks and they made his 4 year old daughter watch as they were torturing him. He survived but was heavily wounded. Stay safe. https://t.co/3b58gbgKZK

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Jameson Lopp - @lopp

RT @WhalePanda: "Bitcoin trader tortured with drill" in the Netherlands. The robbers were dressed as police with bulletproof vests and masks and they made his 4 year old daughter watch as they were torturing him. He survived but was heavily wounded. Stay safe. https://t.co/3b58gbgKZK

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Roman Snitko - @romansnitko

RT @WhalePanda: "Bitcoin trader tortured with drill" in the Netherlands. The robbers were dressed as police with bulletproof vests and masks and they made his 4 year old daughter watch as they were torturing him. He survived but was heavily wounded. Stay safe. https://t.co/3b58gbgKZK

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WhalePanda - @WhalePanda

"Bitcoin trader tortured with drill" in the Netherlands. The robbers were dressed as police with bulletproof vests and masks and they made his 4 year old daughter watch as they were torturing him. He survived but was heavily wounded. Stay safe. https://t.co/3b58gbgKZK

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psswrd12345 5 hs ago

Great, time to refire up the old node!

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desertrose123 6 hs ago

That was a very well written post aimed at the most general audience.

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natelovell 7 hs ago

Is this the release that has CREATE2 ?

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182764125216 6 hs ago

Yes

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natelovell 4 hs ago

Lol. Is it easy to see if a contract was created using CREATE2 ?

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182764125216 4 hs ago

Yeh, easy enough. Look up the contract code and it's there.

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cosminstefane Yesterday

Reminder to update your nodes! https://ethernodes.org/network/1/forkwatch/overview

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torfbolt Yesterday

Is there a better monitor site than this? This one hasn't changed the values at all in the last 24h... The one from Afri was realtime but seems to be shutdown.

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cosminstefane Yesterday

I am not sure why you think it hasn't changed value in 24 hrs. Maybe people didn't update in last 24 hrs. /u/etherchain told me scrapper works and they eliminate non-mainnet or fork nodes. Well, Afri did that on his own personal website, along with a lot of other interesting info about eth network. But probably you heard what happened so he took it down...

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KitUbijalec Yesterday

Will i have to move eth for this for somewhere or no? I have it on mew and exhange?

Edit: nvm, i read the blog, ill move it off exchabge to mew just in case

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WeLiveInaBubble Yesterday

Will we notice any differences in general use?

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CryptoOnly Yesterday

If you run a full node (geth or parity) update before the fork, if not you don’t need to do anything and won’t notice a change as an end user. It also doesn’t hurt to fire up your updated full node just before the fork to support the network moving to the new chain.

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WeLiveInaBubble Yesterday

No, I know we don't need to do anything. Just that I use many different dapps on a daily basis and I'm hoping the network will feel more efficient. Is that not the case?

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ShhHutYuhMuhDerkhead 7 hs ago

It'll delay the difficulty bomb, which I believe has already started to kick in.

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Schrodingers_tombola Yesterday

I don't think any of the EIPs will immediately affect client side gas use. Of the proposed changes it seems they are adding two upgrades which will allow certain functions in subsequent contracts to be more gas efficient. I have no idea what those functions mean or how common they are.

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CryptoOnly Yesterday

Ah ok. I’m not well read enough on this fork to comment what changes you might see.

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glyph02 Yesterday

Wow, just now implementing binary shift operations. Just goes to demonstrate how much potential we have and how much more basic stuff there is to create and improve. It makes me excited!

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LamboshiNakaghini Yesterday

FTFY

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cryptojan Yesterday

lol, come on man, that was funny. Remember, it's national Pokemon day and all on that date, wouldn't that call for a holiday/vacation and a "slight postponement"?

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SMcKie Yesterday

This will be a good time. Great work Hudson and client maintainers!

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tabovilla Yesterday

So it's finally happening, great job from both development and oversight teams

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Denny_123 Yesterday

This is excellent news. Especially for Fintechs on ERC20 such as Swissborg.com. They will get a long overdue lift

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spritefire Yesterday

Fuck swissborg.

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BitttBurger Yesterday

There’s an oversight team? Bitcoin should get one of those.

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corbindallas52 Yesterday

Well, we’re not 2 days out from release yet so don’t get toooo confident. /s kinda Good work by the teams though. Excited to see it happen.

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luigis- Yesterday

Was it the initial announcement ? Saw very low engagement on this news on twitter so idk Edit : The initial announcement of the fix release

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leth1250 Yesterday

No, this was announced weeks ago, and been discussed a lot since then. This is more of a 'here it comes' update for everyone who wanted an overview again.

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ddtony1 Yesterday

Looking forward to seeing the new version soon.

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HN_bot 11 hs ago

Hacker News discussion

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HN_bot 2 days ago

Hacker News discussion

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ZizekIsMyDad 2 SNAILS 3 years ago

Someone asked this in the last Paul Graham thread, but I think it bears repeating:

Why does his website look so shitty?

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BongosOnFire 3 years ago

Another reason is that it's old as dirt.

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IWannaFuckLarryPage 3 years ago

Because frontend webdev is for plebs. The only thing you need to know is (L(I(S(P))))

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lestrigone 3 years ago

HHHH

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Vittgenstein thats not something sam harris necessarily believe 3 years ago

It's like he has broken free from Wittgenstein's old adage "words have meaning"

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lestrigone 3 years ago

It's like he read it and said "Yeah, right, and *my* words have *my* meaning, fuck Jakobson and semiotics! Also, poors are poors because I'm not rich enough!"

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PM_ME_YOUR_KANT AARGH!! 3 years ago

Even besides the moronic content, there's something about the way Paul Graham writes just pisses me off. It's just dripping with pretense and self-aggrandizement.

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Vittgenstein thats not something sam harris necessarily believe 3 years ago

I really thought Sam Harris would be the only man I would love to hate but Paul Graham's grand analyses of history and the top five tricks of capitalism is rapidly rising. It's as if I'm reading a libertarian (wait for it) forced to come up with tentative chapters for a manifesto that reaffirms Ayn Rand for the modern era. How does he have such a following? I understand he's got the startup and Y Combinator but that's monetary, why does he still have respect **after** he opens his mouth to talk about anything deal with economics?

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[deleted] 3 years ago

well, I dunno if you have any experience with CS folks / undergrads, but they don't uhh, tend to be the most interdisciplinary. Paul Graham is pretty famous for his lisp-related things and gets a lot of (mostly deserved) admiration for that, but then that's extended to literally everything he writes because his target audience really doesn't know any better. If you want to cry, though, he actually has an essay [on philosophy](http://paulgraham.com/philosophy.html). Titled 'how to do philosophy,' of course.

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TemplesofSyrinx17 3 years ago

I'm doing philosophy right now! And I'm loving it!

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ZizekIsMyDad 2 SNAILS 3 years ago

> why does he still have respect after he opens his mouth to talk about anything deal with economics? He's telling rich people what they want to hear?

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LOST_TALE Banned 7 days on Reddit 3 years ago

Great. Maybe it can be showed ot some parents a little late to the party.

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Juz16 I swear I'll kill us all if you tread on me 3 years ago

Great read. Definetly going to show this to people.

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qznc_bot 3 years ago

There is a discussion on Hacker News, but feel free to comment here as well.

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cironoric 1 h ago

I really wish you guys would change fees less often.

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Jigggg Yesterday

Is it correct that voting costs >4 euro in gas?

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latetot 9 hs ago

No

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applebeetuna Yesterday

Is there past evidence to support these minor changes (+/- 0.5%) actually having any kind of response on dai supply (subtracting heavy noise from large ETH movements). From my limited pov, this doesn't even make me blink if I wanted to add more dai against my cdp

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Rune4444 Yesterday

Yep, this was also the conclusion from the data examined at the last governance meeting. The switch to a more regular cadence of smaller changes was originally adopted in response to a lot of people who were upset with the large 2% changes, but there is now quite some data that shows that a 0.5% increase has no measurable impact at all, and at the same time Dai looks to be on a downward trend that is getting worse and worse despite the small increases, so next week the topic will be to decide at what magnitude we will have to do future changes at. Right now it is not too far from getting to the critical point where general market faith in the peg and the will of governance to protect it could evaporate. Decisive action is needed, and if we act in time we should be able to correct the peg and regain market faith in Dai's stability.

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orm12345 11 hs ago

Has the price of ethereum not much more influence on the "downtrend of DAI". Now the ethereum price increases, existing CDP holders can create more DAI with the same amount of collateral, which will slightly downtrend the DAI. When Ethereum decreases in price, CDP holders will lower their debts with DAI (or increase their collateral) to prevent to get liquidated which will slightly uptrend the price of DAI. In my opinion the stability fee should be much more correlated to the price of maker. When I opened a CDP in december i also bought (an excess amount of) MKR to pay off the stability fee. In december the price was $366/MKR (against a 0.5% fee). So for me personal a 1.5% fee will have no impact now the price of MKR is $680/MKR.

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Goldman- 12 hs ago

If we're not far away from critical failure, I'd rather see a bigger increase first than just 0.5% and adjust that downwards if needed. If we let the peg go wild, the damage to Maker reputation would be huge. Perhaps we're letting Dai marketcap grow too fast compared to ecosystem around it

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Rune4444 11 hs ago

Actually I should be careful not to be alarmist here, we don’t actually know at what point there is a real loss of faith. But yes bigger increases are needed in the short run

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Goldman- 11 hs ago

I just checked the dai price on coinmarketcap and it seems to be solidly on 1$ on exchanges so I wonder, are your warnings based on market maker inventory levels or some other data that isn't perhaps available for normal users?

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Rune4444 11 hs ago

the golden rule about coinmarketcap is that you cannot trust its data. You should check out the governance calls if you want to see actual data that isn’t tainted by wash trading and bad algorithms

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Goldman- 11 hs ago

Roger that, I'll check the latest one

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catfoodlover Yesterday

>Dai looks to be on a downward trend that is getting worse and worse despite the small increases I fail to see this. I must assume you are referring to the chart posted in chat after the meeting. All that chart says is that there is slightly more 0.99 than 1.01.

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Rune4444 11 hs ago

It is not a foregone conclusion but there are multiple data points that do seem to be worse today than e.g. right before the last increase was made. If you watch the governance meeting you can see the various charts. One thing that wasn’t brought up this time was market maker inventory, which doesn’t seem to be getting worse but still is stretched to its limit meaning that just a small further imbalance will begin to have greater impacts since it can’t be absorbed by market makers

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rich_at_makerdao Head of Community Development Yesterday

No, we have no clear data to suggest that .5% has a direct affect on inventory. This market is chaotic at best and the confounding variables are many. The plan for now is to set up a regular cadence of increases until we gather enough intel to determine the correct rate stepping. The general thinking in the meeting seems to be every week or two we try another 50 bps. In this way we can get a good sense about where the tipping point is without running the risk of over-compensating. There is also the possibility that this introduction of scheduled changes will serve a 'forward guidance' function as well.

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cironoric 1 h ago

I really dislike the perspective that you'll keep adding 50 bps every few weeks to see how supply reacts. US persons who use CDPs to leverage ETH have important tax consequences from selling ETH to repay DAI. They can't adjust every couple weeks. It is really sketchy that you guys change fees so often. A huge part of the CDP value proposition is the low % of a loan. Many crypto investors can already get relatively low % lines of credit that don't involve complex and risky collateral liquidation mechanics.

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dankmonty Yesterday

I agree with the stepping and interval (maybe 1 week/50bp?)- should help with painting a better picture of the situation, where everything is kind of still theoretical at this point. I bet this could get up to 4-5% before seeing significant effects on supply though. The interest rate compared to similar solutions on the market is very low. I've seen competitors offering 8-16% APR loans on locked up assets...

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cironoric 1 h ago

Why would the governance team think that 2 weeks of data has statistical significance? Changing rates so fast - up or down - is not giving the market enough time to react. The US Fed changes rates at most every two months.

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applebeetuna 59 mins ago

I mean, if USD inflation was volatile like dai inflation...

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psswrd12345 2 hs ago

I also think the rate should be set higher and then parred back if needed.

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Koreansteamer Yesterday

I am interested in reading people's opinions on why they would want to keep the same rate. During the call, there wasn't any opposition to a raise in rates.

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WarSanchez 2 hs ago

Submission Statement:

It's a vicious cycle, where you need to give crazy permissions to apps to use them and they abuse the shit out of those perms to sell your info for $$. Those buyers spam your apps with targeted ads to get you to spend more $$ on junk and to influece your opinions on stuff.

Privacy is not a thing anymore.

Now spread your cheeks and show us your gps location.

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outline_link_bot 5 hs ago

Decluttered version of this WSJ's article archived on February 22, 2019 can be viewed on https://outline.com/ZUGZzz

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speckz 6 hs ago

Use https://outline.com/ZUGZzz if you get hit with an adblocker or paywall warning.

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just_one_last_thing :lgbt: LGBT 6 hs ago

Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

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jas0nmask 6 hs ago

Social media isn't fun is it lol?

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outline_link_bot 7 hs ago

Decluttered version of this WSJ's article archived on February 22, 2019 can be viewed on https://outline.com/ZUGZzz

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jwhite40 9 hs ago

Sending to Facebook that you’re pregnant and with no way to even know. How many apps are doing this without our knowledge?

And would it be possible for Apple to set an App Store guideline about something like this?

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garymelt 9 hs ago

you can't sneak up on Zuck, I don't even f*ing blink...

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kryten2k35 11 hs ago

I stopped using all social media a few weeks ago and I honestly feel better in myself.

I said "this isn't making me happy. It's making me miserable" so stopped using it. Scheduled my accounts for deletion and I'll be checking up on that as well to ensure they are gone.

I should have done this after the Cambridge Analytica scandal, wherein Facebook colluded in directing the course of a British referendum, but I didn't.

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somebodyetc Yesterday

Fuck the sellers. Fuck Facebook . European style regulation overdue in the US

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sdchew Yesterday

Reminds me what a friend of mine told me years ago when free apps started flooding the AppStore; So what’s the business model and how are they funding it... now you know...

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outline_link_bot Yesterday

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rudekoffenris Yesterday

Can I suggest you put as much garbage data as possible in facebook? That will make it harder for them to know what is the real data.

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busymom0 Yesterday

Isn’t this website basically stealing content?

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geekynerdynerd Samsung Galaxy S8 Yesterday

Officially it's against the site's ToS to use it for content you cannot legally access. So using it in the manner people here on Reddit do can get your IP banned from the service. Honestly though, if they really cared about preventing this type of usage they'd require people create an Account to use the service and make it so each outline is only visible to the person while they are logged in. That way they could block accounts violating ToS and prevent those users from abusing the site for piracy.

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busymom0 Yesterday

> Honestly though, if they really cared about preventing this type of usage they'd require people create an Account to use the service and make it so each outline is only visible to the person while they are logged in. Not really. Just like you can access YouTube videos without creating an account but it's still illegal and can get you in copyright trouble if you download the video, strip off all ads and start hosting them on your own website. I will have to guess that this website is not big enough to be getting enough eyes yet but I can totally see them get in copyright trouble from publishers soon.

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geekynerdynerd Samsung Galaxy S8 Yesterday

> Just like you can access YouTube videos without creating an account but it's still illegal and can get you in copyright trouble if you download the video, strip off all ads and start hosting them on your own website. Look at what Google has been doing on that front lately though. They've been slowly but surely adding in more and more controls to make it harder and harder to just download a video at all. Google has had to take increasingly more draconian measures just go avoid being sued by the major media corporations that have begun to move onto YouTube. Outline.com will likely need to take even more draconian measures because I highly doubt they've got a multi billion dollar corporation behind them that can afford the legal fees for such a battle.

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nkrisc - @nkrisc Yesterday

> Move, the owner of real-estate app Realtor.com—which sent information to Facebook about properties that users liked, according to the Journal’s tests—said “we strictly adhere to all local, state and federal requirements,” and that its privacy policy “clearly states how user information is collected and shared.” The policy says the app collects a variety of information, including content in which users are interested, and may share it with third parties. It doesn’t mention Facebook.

Then local, state, and federal requirements are lacking. "Privacy" is taking a new meaning in today's world than what it would have been understood to mean previously. Yes, I think the scope of the concept of privacy needs to expand to match the expanding capabilities of all actors to violate it. We could have more privacy by living like Ted Kaczynski but that's not conducive to participating in today's society.

angrydev - @angrydev Yesterday

This headline has been modified from the original, and is a mischaracterization of what's happening here. Facebook isn't collecting this data, rather the authors of many popular apps are sending these statistics to Facebook's analytics tool to better target with ads. The article explains Facebook doesn't want these companies sending users' personal data to them without their knowledge.

They are not completely absolved of blame because they should be monitoring for personal data (somehow), but the app developers should be to blame more using this data without users' knowledge.

Now if Facebook were to use this data for their own purposes, we'd have (another) real scandal on our hands.

minimaxir - @minimaxir Yesterday

Per the author on Twitter (https://twitter.com/samschech/status/1098981978462961670):

> A few seconds after the app finished measuring my pulse, I saw it pop up in the network traffic headed to Facebook: \"heartrate\":56,\"

What Facebook endpoint lets the app developer accept arbitrary customer data? What does Facebook do with that data? Do they tie it to the user?

product50 - @product50 Yesterday

For people reading this article and immediately passing judgements on Facebook, do remember that other networks/SDKs including Google, Applovin, Appsflyer - all capture the same information from the app which WSJ is reporting here. Of course, it makes the narrative softer if you blame all tech companies vs. their favorite whipping candidate (which is Facebook) these days.

Here is a question to consider. If Facebook doesn't do this and all other companies do and use that data for optimization and measurement purposes, won't FB unilaterally lose out? The solution is either no one does it or everyone does it. There is no in between.

jzylstra - @jzylstra Yesterday

This is the sort of user information that I am much more interested in defending from overreach (developer misuse, knowingly or unknowingly) vs. activity which actually goes on as a user accesses any fb-owned domain (or within fb's apps)

Of course, there is the stock reply about half way through the article from app Move's owner, Realtor.com:

>“we strictly adhere to all local, state and federal requirements,” and that its privacy policy “clearly states how user information is collected and shared.” The policy says the app collects a variety of information, including content in which users are interested, and may share it with third parties. It doesn’t mention Facebook.

Fortunately, there has been recognition and action taken against the collection/usage of this sort of third-party information, albeit in Germany.[0]

>There is currently no way to stop the company from collecting the information in the first place, or using it for other purposes, such as detecting fake accounts. Germany’s top antitrust enforcer earlier this month ordered Facebook to stop using that data at all without permission, a ruling Facebook is appealing.

[0] https://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-orders-facebook-to-stop...

nigma - @nigma Yesterday

Apple is creating a false sense of privacy with their privacy-focused marketing. I appreciate their efforts building secure products but without a way to block or filter 3rd party app network data they leave their users vulnerable.

Also many ad-blockers that could filter app traffic were nuked from the App Store. I wish there was a way to firewall network traffic in the same way it is possible on other systems.

imgabe - @imgabe Yesterday

> Millions of smartphone users confess their most intimate secrets to apps, including when they want to work on their belly fat or the price of the house they checked out last weekend.

The price of a publicly listed property for sale is my most intimate secret? Even if I were to buy it, the sale price would be a matter of public record that anyone could look up.

dylan604 - @dylan604 Yesterday

I've often considered myself a bit of a paranoid freak with my resistance to running apps on my mobile devices. However, this really makes the point of mobile devices questionable for me if I don't really do anything with them because of the fear of not knowing what they really do. While that's all a bit hyperbolic, I'm kind of glad I just don't trust anything. I have a few apps that I use, but I can't really vouch that they are not doing things I don't know about. If it were not for maps, decent web browsing, and a small number of other slightly more useful than just convenient apps, I'd be willing to go back to a feature phone. One I can take the battery out of if I felt the need.

denart2203 - @denart2203 Yesterday

Facebook has always made it almost impossible to delete anything.If you don't delete your activity on facebook every day,you have a buttload of stuff,including all comments.You can go to activity log and you have hundreds of comments,you can delete them one by one.That can take months because they make it hard to do even that.Who cares what you commented on three years ago ? Much of the activity log can not be deleted at all. My activity log gets deleted every day so I don't have years of crap on there.People have been complaining about this for years,but facebook doesn't care.They just want everything they can get about you to make money off you.

Despegar - @Despegar Yesterday

This is an important story (along with the NYT one a while back about location data) because it will help move the ball forward on a privacy law in the US. The ad-tech industry is putting all their lobbying muscle in making sure that nothing as strong as GDPR gets passed.

It also makes it more likely that Apple will crack down on third party SDKs, something I've been posting about a lot here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19220520

kolbe - @kolbe Yesterday

https://outline.com/ZUGZzz

craneabove - @craneabove Yesterday

The whole business model is based on mining users’ data. These stories unfortunately are not a surprise anymore.

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Ashestooranges 7 hs ago

This joke was great when i posted it on facebook 40 seconds after it happened.

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JerkfaceMcDouche 2 hs ago

Well I posted it on Twitter 15 seconds after it happened. How do you feel now? You’re a dirty joke thief.

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avobian 5 hs ago

Screenshot or it didn’t happen.

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LizardManAlpha 5 hs ago

First time I saw it so it made me chuckle

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Ashestooranges 7 hs ago

...along with everyone else on earth.

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independenthope 10 hs ago

... Not gonna lie... You had me for a second until I saw the source.

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s_celo45 Yesterday

They did that kid a favor

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Dawmasta Yesterday

Can't wait for people to eat this one

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anglomentality Yesterday

ITT: misinformation about Nike stock

1996 Nike stock price: $5

2019 Jan 29th Nike stock price: $84

2019 Feb 22nd Nike stock price: $84

Nike stock all-time-high: $85

They’re fine. If this was going to cause a market reaction the markets would have already reacted.

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LLCodyJ12 Yesterday

I agree with you, but a lot of trading is just bots. A lot of bots were probably selling Nike stock the minute the Zion incident started trending on Twitter. Other bots were probably buying the dips to negate that. The real damage only comes when Nike starts losing deals to other manufacturers or sales of their basketball shoes drop.

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anglomentality Yesterday

Probably not. Bots are just tools configured with settings by human beings, they aren’t sentient AIs that act without any input. If what you said was true then why did Facebook drop 30% in a day? Where were the bots buying the dip then? Just because 1 novelty shoe exploded doesn’t mean Nike’s entire product line is in question.

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xitzengyigglz Yesterday

Is there a story for this or only the headline? Can't tell if my phone is glitching or not

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PhantomDeuce Yesterday

I forgot that I subbed to the Onion the other day. Scrolling through my feed I was like, wft?

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bad_motivator Yesterday

I'm just here for the fools who don't know this is satire.

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Korihor420 Yesterday

This is a step in the right direction, normally Nike only stops using child labor when they get caught

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GrandpereDean Yesterday

Legend

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poiuy43 Yesterday

I just ate the onion

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SnowbearX Yesterday

Nah, too easy for the Onion.

That joke had been killed five minutes after the injury.

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paranoid_giraffe Yesterday

The second I saw this I told my wife they are going to fire the lady who makes these for 7¢ an hour

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chilwil86 Yesterday

He was just getting started, though!! Anyone can overcome a small slip-up. A bright and successful future isn't completely torn apart by this. After all, he's only 8.

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KiniGula Yesterday

“They’re turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers, but what’s the real cost cause those sneakers don’t seem that much cheaper?

Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got them made by little late slave kids?

What are your overheads?”

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King_fora_Day Yesterday

Deserves a link [Think about it](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TLEK0UZH4cs)

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Riskybug Yesterday

It's been to long since I've seen someone reference Flight of the Concords.

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Lurked4EverB4Joining Yesterday

Up-voted cause I like it, but am wondering if you're quoting someone or if you're quoting yourself? lol

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JCulinerDev Yesterday

He's quoting flight of the conchords. Check them out, they're amazing.

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Lurked4EverB4Joining Yesterday

I will, thanks!

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NotPutin7 1 day ago

Any sources or is this just fake news?

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Notawankar 1 day ago

... it’s the onion

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NotPutin7 Yesterday

I don't know what the onion is.

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GTOfire Yesterday

It's a website with satirical 'news' articles that always attempt to make you do a double take on whether it's obviously ridiculous or whether the world has gotten so ridiculous it might just be true.

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NotPutin7 Yesterday

Thanks, explains it.

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colin8651 Yesterday

Whats funny is The Onion is often quoted as fact by foreign media outlets because they don't know its satire.

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NotPutin7 Yesterday

The onion is foreign media to me. Never read it.

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nyratk1 Yesterday

Were you born yesterday?

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LEboueur Yesterday

Or je may not be American/English or whatever. I am french and I didn't know the onion before this. However I do know a bunch of other french website doing this kind of stuff

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All4Fun 1 day ago

So, that a yes?

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Quatro13K 1 day ago

Coach K after the game on the phone with the Duke Nike rep:

"I don't give a shit if you have to glue some rubber to the bottom of some ski boots. I got a National Championship to win!"

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Bryanssong Yesterday

Coach K signed a 15 year deal with Nike in 1993 for 375K a year and a 1 million signing bonus. Now that it’s about time to re-up I’m sure he can overlook this minor indiscretion.

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0KBs Yesterday

lol

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OurGodEmperorTrump 1 day ago

funny! at first I thought the pic was a link to the story,

well done OP!

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OneTimeIDidThatOnce 1 day ago

Not his fault, the quality control inspector had to go make potties.

A diaper can only get just so full.

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CookingwithMike 1 day ago

Risky click of the day

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Bishopjones 1 day ago

Wouldn't be surprised if the head of the Chinese manufacturing facility where these Nikes were made was put in prison since Nike stock dropped 1.2% after the blow out.

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ultrafud Yesterday

Pretty sure their stock fluctuates that amount almost daily and it was a total non-story.

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anglomentality Yesterday

It is. If you google it a graph will pop up on the top of the results, you won’t even have to go to a specific website to find the data. Nike stock is way up from a month ago. Nike was $80 Jan 29th and is $84 today. The stock’s all-time-high is like $84.95. Unless you bought Nike 2 days ago you’re great, and even if you bought it 2 days ago you’re doing fine.

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YourKneesAreWeird Yesterday

it absolutely is. just google nike stock and look at it over the past month, yesterday is barely a blip.

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ultrafud Yesterday

Fairly sure it is.

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ChuckyChuckyFucker Yesterday

1.2% swing for a company the size of Nike is *insane*. Smaller stocks, sure, it happens. But Nike is mahoosive.

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InterspaceAlien Yesterday

It really isn't

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whydoievenreddit Yesterday

A month ago the stock price was $80.75, and now it's $84.78, a 5% change this month (approx. 5 billion dollar increase in value). A 1.2% decrease is negligible, and it's already bounced back today.

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YourKneesAreWeird Yesterday

I mean this just isn't true. Just google nike stock, fluctuations like this happen all the time for no reason at all.

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Lurked4EverB4Joining Yesterday

Yeah, sure, "put in prison"...

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mrsuns10 1 day ago

Probably not the best idea to be using child labor

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nckmcmlln 1 day ago

Please censor my name with an ifunny watermark in the r/whoosh post

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iswallowedafrog 1 day ago

So you whooshed yourself. That's... Strange. Edit out my name so there's three potatoes there. Three! Also r/titlegore

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fuckingblackmale 1 day ago

1. Mispelling r/whoooosh is not a whoooosh 2. You still mispelled whooooshed as "whooshed" r/itswhooooshwith4os

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-1KingKRool- Yesterday

It’s actually r/woooosh if you’re looking for the mightiest of all.

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iswallowedafrog Yesterday

I'm a /r/whooosh 'er myself. I didn't misspell. He did it to himself for missing what the title said vs what the guy in the comment he replied to said and meant. It's a clear case when you Think about it

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SageHeaven17 1 day ago

lol

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realnaughty 1 day ago

I thought this was a picture of jussie’s first day in prison.

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agentaltf4 1 day ago

Fired? This is China they killed him.

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RotorDust Yesterday

No, he is now a WoW gold farmer

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cyclops274 Yesterday

No better they made him disappear.

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aresef 1 day ago

edible onion

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chidinguhv 4 hs ago

He's selling tsla stock to buy it

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serg473 4 hs ago

ELI5 why do billionaires take mortgages?

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GreasyRetard 3 hs ago

cuz billionaires dont sit on mountains of cash nigga they have their money tied up in thingies and sometimes they wanna own other thingies so they take a loan out using one of their thingies as collateral to buy more thingies

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jucestain 4 hs ago

Says in the article. To "improve liquidity". The only alarming thing for me is one of the mortgages is fixed 3.5% for first few years then tracks an index. I'm a little shocked if true... Also, this just seems like a way to essentially exchange his tesla shares for cash without selling them outright. I assume some of the loans are backed by his tesla shares...

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iamjusthonest 4 hs ago

So? This is common practice among rich people. Not really news worthy. Everything he does. The media is trying to spin it into something catastrophic for Tesla.

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HorselessHorseman 1 h ago

He wiped his ass with 1 ply. SHORT TESLA.

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1nfinitus 5 hs ago

Time to buy those sweet CDS

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clarence_worley90 7 hs ago

he's worth 20 billion right? but isn't that mostly tsla equity? so the takeaway here is he doesn't want to sell his stock?

therefore tsla to $4000 per share by 2020?

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shinsmax12 6 hs ago

Elon doesn't want to sell his stock because reports of him selling will crater the price.

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toomuchtodotoday 4 hs ago

Better to lose your houses and live in the factory. Or start to draw a salary.

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monclerman 7 hs ago

I remember last month , people saying to do $TSLA calls because Elon is going to do everything he can to get to 360. I wonder how they are doing right now ?

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HorselessHorseman 4 hs ago

That would be me. And to answer your question: bad. Doing bad.

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monclerman 4 hs ago

‭+1 (800) 273-8255‬ here’s the suicide prevention hotline just in case. Feel free to message me for a heart to heart .

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HorselessHorseman 4 hs ago

Unaffected by losses. That is the true wsb way. Lose today. Make up tomorrow. Rinse and repeat to keep the rush going.

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clarence_worley90 7 hs ago

classic opportunity to inverse WSB sentiment

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Arsewipes 7 hs ago

He's all in on MU 90c 2/29.

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Wutbot1 7 hs ago

Mortgage my house to go all in at $25

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collegefurtrader "whats wrong with gay porn" 8 hs ago

Zerohedge is not a credible source

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MartiniShkreli 4 hs ago

ZeroHedge was exposed as part of a Russian intelligence operation to sow fears in US markets way back in like 2009 and that just made it more popular

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wryguy1987 3 hs ago

I wouldn't be surprised if that was a selling point for some people. You can't underestimate how badly WSB wants to lose money

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MartiniShkreli 3 hs ago

Last time I brought this up [some idiot](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/9tuqz7/the_duality_of_man/e91hs1x/) tried to frame reading ZeroHedge as a political position. It was pretty thoroughly exposed long before Russian propaganda became a political issue but all of the recent hysteria has just legitimized them in the eyes of many zealots.

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wryguy1987 3 hs ago

What else is there to say except they belong here

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HelpNickTheBaller 6 hs ago

Lol yeah you keep reading brietbart.

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IAmABlubFish takes tip(s) 7 hs ago

This one is legit: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-22/elon-musk-turns-to-morgan-stanley-for-five-monster-mortgages?srnd=premium

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blocktradz4dayz22 7 hs ago

He loves borrowing from Morgan Stanley. Already owes them $500 million

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AccurateGene 8 hs ago

Yolo that money like we do and pay off mortgage

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