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covok48 23 mins ago

“Regular citizens should stop buying masks (because they don’t work) and leave them for medical professionals.” - CDC

Well why didn’t you just say there was a shortage of masks? There’s still a shortage and now we don’t trust you.

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swirleyswirls 2 hs ago

Y'all, it's not hard to make a face mask. Google it. There's even no-sew options out there, using paper towels or cloth. Y'all can do it!

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HKrumpet 2 hs ago

Time to stop denying the fact that mask is working.

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BeyondTheModel 4 hs ago

It's the same guidelines of only wearing a mask if you're infected (or in a medical setting where you're face-to-face all day with infected people) updated to reflect the confirmation that asymptomatic people are a significant vector, which means almost anyone could be infected.

"HURR HURR I CAUGHT THE LIE IM SO SMART" shut the fuck up redditor

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TherealChiller1 4 hs ago

Nobody is getting sick all yall look like some dumb fucks wearing mask like brainwashed people

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KleinVogeltje 2 hs ago

Dude, I'm not on three weeks of unpaid leave for no reason. I'm a healthy, 25 y/o male that found out just how deep the human sinus cavity is thanks to a COVID-19 swab. People are getting sick, with and without health risks. It's killing healthy people, even if less so than those who are already sick. The only brainwashed ones are the dense motherfuckers that don't take pandemics seriously.

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LoMatte 4 hs ago

I briefly considered donating my pack of 10 N95's that I got after the NorCal fires but decided against it. I also have a couple of the surgical types that I've worn the 2 times I went into stores (only a couple people were in their with me and we all had them on) AND one of those heavy fabric style things that have the filters on each side and attach with velcro on the back of your head. No clue what any of them will do for me but I overprepared after the fires.

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pathfinder71 5 hs ago

i knew it´s airborne since February 22 - just a random dude

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TenYearsTenDays 5 hs ago

The "masks don't work :p" narrative was one of the most disgusting instances of propaganda ever perpetrated. Its whole reason for being was to quell panic when people realzied that masks do work but they couldn't get them and keep them from going to the stores to buy what little was left on the shelves. Why in the fuck governments didn't just nationalize that supply chain like Taiwan, etc. did is fucking beyond me.

Even now people are like "but cloth masks don't work" gah yes they do:

Twenty-one healthy volunteers made their own face masks from cotton t-shirts; the masks were then tested for fit. The number of microorganisms isolated from coughs of healthy volunteers wearing their homemade mask, a surgical mask, or no mask was compared using several air-sampling techniques. The median-fit factor of the homemade masks was one-half that of the surgical masks. Both masks significantly reduced the number of microorganisms expelled by volunteers, although the surgical mask was 3 times more effective in blocking transmission than the homemade mask. Our findings suggest that a homemade mask should only be considered as a last resort to prevent droplet transmission from infected individuals, but it would be better than no protection

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258525804_Testing_the_Efficacy_of_Homemade_Masks_Would_They_Protect_in_an_Influenza_Pandemic

Sure, they're the worst of all masks, but guess what? Handwashing is between 0-16% effective at reudcing respiratory diseases and we're told on fucking repeat to do that until our damn hands bleed. I sincerely doubt if a significant % of the population is washing their hands like a damn surgeon every time, so their reduction will be trending towards zero. ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16553905 , https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4177698/ )So should we stop washing our hands? FUCK NO. Do it anyway, every little bit helps. Same deal with cloth masks.

The problem is that it's true they don't offer much protection for the wearer from the environment, and the bigger point of them is to protect the environment from the wearer. This obviously works best with a high degree of adherence in the population. That the US only recommended this is almost certainly not going to be enough, especially with the idiot in charge saying he won't do it. And ofc in many European countries they're still saying "masks don't work :p".

Ugh, it's all so disgusting and stupid. I lost so much respect for so many people who brainlessly mouthed this idiotic bullshit I can't even.

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Levaant 6 hs ago

This is why we should federalize healthcare. The government never gets anything wrong, giving them more money will certainly solve it and other things we depend on to stay alive.

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FruitFlavor12 6 hs ago

You mean from when they said masks don't help? Or when they said that masks do help?

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Killroyomega Lvl 65: Santa's Saucy Tart 6 hs ago

I'm gonna keep repeating this every single time it comes up:

Low quality or open masks will not protect you from getting the Chinese Bioweapon.

They will, however, help prevent people with the Chinese Bioweapon from spreading the Chinese Bioweapon.

I take serious issue with the CDC's word games in what kinds of masks are useful for what. It's dangerous and foolish.

n95 type masks and above will offer personal protection against the Chinese Bioweapon. A surgical mask or a bandana will not offer much, if any, protections against the Chinese Bioweapon.

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DemolitionsPanda 4 hs ago

Cloth will not stop a virus; but it will stop a droplet. Why do you think a mask will stop a droplet on the way out, but not on the way in? The fibers of a cloth mask have a good chance of binding with the virus capsule and rendering it non functional. Additionally, especially with glasses, it will prevent you from touching your face, transferring the virus from something that you have touched to your eyes or mouth. How am I mistaken?

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sgloux3470 3 hs ago

Take a spray bottle and put a paper towel on the end. Then point it at your pantry and spray. Now put the paper towel on your face and spray your mask. See the difference between in and out?

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Killroyomega Lvl 65: Santa's Saucy Tart 4 hs ago

> "Why do you think a mask will stop a droplet on the way out, but not on the way in?" The virus is not going through the mask on the way back in. It's going around it. You can get cloth masks with decent coverage, however you may have trouble breathing or will need to change it out and/or wash it much more often as it will get dirty and be useless or disgusting much faster.

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OrphanSkate3124 6 hs ago

It’s the same here in New Zealand, from the start the govt had been telling everyone that masks do nothing to help stop the spread of Coronavirus, and all the media jumped on board.

I understand why a govt would lie about something like this, but they definitely made the spread worse, because your average person is going to see that and think “well, then a bandana or piece of cloth definitely won’t help me if a mask won’t” when in reality it would at least provide some protection

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prncedrk 6 hs ago

I think it’s safe to say anytime you are sick with something you can spread orally, ie.. coughing, sneezing, etc.. you wear a face mask.

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notaprepper007 6 hs ago

Of course and arw still lying cloth mask won't do shit. Goodluck.

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Pardonme23 7 hs ago

Another way to make a mask https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aNjpH5lBZ8w&t=22s

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sgossard9 7 hs ago

Vaya, por fin los gringos se pusieron las pilas con eso, aquí cuando?

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Copper_John24 7 hs ago

"Don't go out and buy up the N95 masks, they are useless against corona virus... plus we need them for our medical professionals"

This was the line for the past 3 months... they actually think we are that stupid, and sadly most of us are.

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Beautiful_Smile 7 hs ago

Can we see what’s the craziest stuff we can wear for masks...c’mon do it for us on reddit.

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Live-Taco 7 hs ago

https://youtu.be/tPx1yqvJgf4

Here’s an easy way to make a mask

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MishtaMaikan 7 hs ago

France also switched to advising wearing a mask, even home made, in public to reduce the spread.

And elsewhere, by Wednesday, it will be mandatory to wear a face mask to get into Austrian supermarkets, to stop asymptomatic people from breathing infected droplets in the air, onto packages, on fruits and vegetables.

Imagine if we did this from the start. We would still have a functioning society like Taiwan.

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covok48 21 mins ago

Yes, France said that months after *seizing the entire country’s stockpile of masks*.

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bdavids1 7 hs ago

PPE is recommended after administrative controls and procedures fail. Absolutely use if sick. I dont think they thought maintaining distance and large crowding would be so challenging and/or refused so last resort is PPE

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I_Has_A_Hat 7 hs ago

I knew it was bullshit because of their instructions. They said don't use a mask... unless you are a healthcare worker or taking care of someone at risk. Which pretty much translates to "if we had enough masks we'd be recommending everyone wear one"

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cryusandfire 7 hs ago

The issue is that they don’t even know whether this virus is airborne. So they’re depleting all the face masks not having determined if it travels via droplets or by itself. We sent people to the moon, we troubleshooted Apollo 13, we sure should be able to figure these things out with focused and directed leadership.

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TenYearsTenDays 6 hs ago

They almost certainly know and they're not saying it publicly or to HCWs to reduce "panic". Here's a question I asked of Politifact about why the [information from many experts and reprints now says this is probably airborne is being suppressed](https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fto4y5/politifact_is_here_on_international_factchecking/fm85boe/). They of course totally fucking ignored it like the rest of the msm. As of now only scientists are discussing it, and only the ones with balls and/or who DGAF.

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VolkspanzerIsME 7 hs ago

I was watching a CDC representative on NBC as late as last week say that wearing a mask didn't do anything unless you were already sick and I couldn't believe it. I had been hearing it for weeks but to still be promoting that garbage at that late in the game told me that: if they were willing to spread bullshit even then, than everything they have said or will say is very suspect.

I got a salt lick that I keep next to the TV for watching the news now.

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booboohoob 5 hs ago

Extremely comforting that our political class can't even force some factories to produce something as simple as N95 masks so our national health institution flat out lies to prevent hospital shortages. I wish people would be thinking more about things like this right now than how this is all China's fault (okay what are you going to do about it?).

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VolkspanzerIsME 4 hs ago

It's not just China's fault. If this was hitting every country the same way it would be China's fault. But it's not. Countries that adopted mass testing are fairing much, much better than those that dicked around. Our government (the US) has much of the blame for the deathtoll. They saw this coming and did fuck all. And now that it's in full swing they are further alienating our closest international friends. If there had been strong leadership from.the beginning with someone in charge that wasn't a narcissistic toddler, our response would have been much more robust. But here we are. The experts have seen this shit coming for many years. They didn't know when it would hit, but the chance of a major pandemic has been a thing for a long time.

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Jogsaw 7 hs ago

B-but muh Fauci!!!

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cameldrv - @cameldrv Yesterday

The CDC has no credibility. Here's some real advice:

1. Don't go out unless absolutely necessary.

2. If you go out, wear the highest specification mask available to you.

3. If you go out, wear the best eye covering available to you. Sealed goggles are ideal, but even a pair of sunglasses will provide protection.

4. If you have to improvise a mask, try to use a filter material better than cotton. Some ideas: Vacuum Bags, HEPA filters, Furnace Filters, Car Cabin Air Filters. Try to make a mask that seals well against your face.

5. If you have extra masks, donate them. You may want to wait to donate them until hospitals start routinely disinfecting and reusing their PPE, because otherwise the masks you donate may get used once and thrown out. Masks donated later may make more of a difference.

Do not feel shame about wearing a medical mask out. The most useless mask is the one that sits on a shelf while its owner is outside getting infected or spreading infection. You are not denying a healthcare worker a mask by wearing one. You are being responsible and not getting infected. If you don't infected, you don't go to the hospital and infect a healthcare worker. If you don't get infected, you don't spread the virus to anyone else, and they don't go to the hospital either.

Look in your garage. Many people have a few masks left over from painting or sanding or wildfires.

erentz - @erentz Yesterday

Lots of people need to be fired once this is over. This has been known for a long time. There is no excuse for it that stacks up except incompetence. You can argue about funding but being honest and factual is free.

renewiltord - @renewiltord Yesterday

I was talking to some folks about the ill-advised CDC and WHO recommendations on masks, the resulting poor handling by the US government, and the rampant cargo-culting by people on Twitter, Reddit, and HN who decided to just signal-amplify the misinformation from US government agencies without critical thought.

While we were doing that, I decided to go see what Taiwan's timeline looked like. Pasting here for your sake.

New Year's Eve: Rumours of viral pneumonia in Wuhan. All inbound flights from Wuhan subject to inspection

Jan 5: All Wuhan travelers exhibiting upper respiratory inspections are now subject to screening

Jan 20: First positive test

Jan 21: Mask export ban, production ramp-up

Jan 31: Taiwanese government forced monopsony on masks (1/3 reserved for healthcare personnel). Announces rationing first week of Feb

Feb 2: Taiwanese defence personnel dispatched to bolster staffing at mask factories

Feb 6: Mask rationing starts

Feb 15: Mask production by end of month projected to be 10 million / day. Taiwanese population: 24 million

Mar 9: Mask production 9.2 million / day

Mar 16: Production 10 million / day

Mar 22: Production 12.6 million / day

April 3. Taiwan: Population 24 million. Density: 649 people/sq.km. First case: Jan 20. Cases: 348. Deaths: 5

April 3. Florida: Population 21.5 million. 136.5 people/sq.km. First case: Mar 7. Cases: 10268. Deaths: 170

Did we have to make the choice between the economy and lives? Did we have to choose between grandma and the dollar? Could policy have changed the outcome?

You decide.

collinmanderson - @collinmanderson Yesterday

Official Recommendation:

Cover your mouth and nose with a cloth face cover when around others

- You could spread COVID-19 to others even if you do not feel sick.

- Everyone should wear a cloth face cover when they have to go out in public, for example to the grocery store or to pick up other necessities.

- - Cloth face coverings should not be placed on young children under age 2, anyone who has trouble breathing, or is unconscious, incapacitated or otherwise unable to remove the mask without assistance.

- The cloth face cover is meant to protect other people in case you are infected.

- Do NOT use a facemask meant for a healthcare worker.

- Continue to keep about 6 feet between yourself and others. The cloth face cover is not a substitute for social distancing.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-si...

exolymph - @exolymph Yesterday

March 28, a mere six days ago, in response to rumors of an upcoming policy change: "CDC does not have updated guidance scheduled to come out on this topic. See current CDC guidance regarding the use of facemasks"

https://twitter.com/CDCgov/status/1243947313715961857

vehemenz - @vehemenz Yesterday

I have 30 or so surgical masks that I bought in early January (I read the news), but now that consumers can't access those supply chains, I'm afraid to donate extras.

beaunative - @beaunative Yesterday

CDC lied because people will panic buy, see what happened with toilet paper, it got ample supply, but still cant handle people buying them for year round quantity. They suspect our healthcare system will crash in a blink if people were panic buying masks either because medical professionals were in strike or sick

collinmanderson - @collinmanderson Yesterday

This is really good.

exolymph - @exolymph Yesterday

Real title is too long, so I tried for something shorter but similarly informative.

throwawaysea - @throwawaysea Yesterday

It is tempting to blame solely the CDC, but I think there is just as much to blame to go around on the general public. Almost everyone was getting on their soapbox on social media to shame people who were wearing masks or trying to acquire a mask.

Yes I know there’s a difference between an N95 respirator and a cloth mask. But that’s beside the point. If the virus can be transmitted over an air gap, then people should be able to buy whatever face covering they want to contain the risk to themselves or their family maximally. And there’s nothing morally wrong with them trying to acquire the highest degree of protection possible, including N95 respirators.

Predictably someone is going to respond to this comment and say that the mask is more necessary for medical professionals or that it is more to prevent particles from exiting your own mouth towards others. The former might be true but it is totally okay for people to want to prioritize their own health. And as for the latter - clearly the reverse transmission is very possible (particles into your mouth/nose) and it is just a matter of time before everyone acknowledges this more openly and starts recommending N95s (most likely once supply constraints are alleviated and the lies are no longer needed).

Just as a reminder: the WHO, possibly at China’s behest, claimed even as late as the middle of January that the virus wasn’t transmissible between humans, a month after Wuhan doctors observed exactly this. It took several weeks for airborne transmission on particles to be acknowledged. And then weeks again to note that the virus can linger on various surfaces and materials.

The lesson to be learned is to trust personal judgment and common sense. Be self reliant, and don’t put faith in random authorities who’ve done little to earn your trust.

EDIT: this article discusses the WHO’s failures in this whole fiasco and how they are a political organization, more than a trustworthy medical organization: https://www.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6...

m0zg - @m0zg Yesterday

What's going to really cook your noodle is when the CDC admits that the Trump pills work, which by all accounts they do, but you won't find it in the press: everything is very carefully suppressed.

https://www.sermo.com/press-releases/largest-statistically-s...

Doesn't matter what they say, doctors worldwide are using them anyway, in spite of the absence of rigorous, multi-year, double blind, randomized studies.

It'll probably take another week or two for them to not be able to sweep this under the rug anymore.

mnm1 - @mnm1 Yesterday

About fucking time. It's impossible to know how many people the previous advice cost. Or how much trust was lost.

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Jas36 16 mins ago

How the hell did they get that spot?

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otherdonald 36 mins ago

Defund. Now!

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imthisguyhere 48 mins ago

China bought their influence in the WHO, so why not extend the same purchase power to NATO?

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QuantumSwag_ 1 h ago

r/nottheonion

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AbjectDisaster 1 h ago

When asked for an endorsement, Chinese Ugyurs were unavailable for comment.

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mainsoda 1 h ago

OK now can we pull out of this travesty of a thing called the UN?

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therealOMAC 1 h ago

China will upon assuming it's seat begin to indoctrinate other U.N. members and send to reeducation camps anyone who says the name Tiawan.

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venCiere 2 hs ago

Bizarro world all around.

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jd_porter Conservative 2 hs ago

And the UN becomes just that much more worthless and damaging.

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twitchyscott 2 hs ago

They let the fox in the hen house.

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Aehnkantos 2 hs ago

So all those whistleblowers and critics they disappear are just competing for these postings?

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Rowdy_Tardigrade 3 hs ago

This has to be a joke. No fucking way this is real.

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MrMotely Constitutionalist 34 mins ago

I think that they joined Russia and Venezuela on the panel. That's the *joke*, the worst violators are on the panel. Edit:. It's actually very confusing as the U.N. has 5 different Human Rights committees with different names. [Wikipedia Link with like to others](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council#Current)

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Humptythe21st Conservative 25 mins ago

All getting huge salaries for doing nothing.

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numnumjp 3 hs ago

A country with no free speech, horrible healthcare, and has concentration camps? Seems legit.

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cubsfan129 3 hs ago

China and human rights there’s a contradiction

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tibetsoul 3 hs ago

No China gonna fuck us more !

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jonnyboy897 3 hs ago

If the U.N. wasn’t a big enough of a joke already, this shit can’t be made up it’s ridiculous

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FearOfBees mde 3 hs ago

Concentration camps where they harvest the organs of children

Okay 😬

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Zeropiano18 3 hs ago

I doubt they’ll take this seriously, I think they’re trying to make themselves looks good in order to hide their very obvious problems

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banjopicker74 4 hs ago

The UN does this all the time. It amazes me that we still find them.

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Zerrubabbel 4 hs ago

Since china is suddenly the new expert on free speech, Im gunna use mine to say, "Fuck you China, You're responsible for covering up and allowing a global pandemic, and persecuting the shit out of Hong Kong... I for the life of me can't figure out why Hong Kongers haven't resorted to more violent means of removing your presence from their country yet!" and "UN... you're almost the opposite of China, still in a bad way tho... You're about to let China word game their way into exploiting your cooperative and PC nature... If you can't tell blatant tyranny to fuck off, then whats the point of having you around in the first place?"

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Jazzy_Punkman 4 hs ago

That's some nottheonion shit right there.

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djavaman 4 hs ago

this will end well.

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Intravenousmemefluid 4 hs ago

Reason #4,822 that nobody ever takes the UN seriously. 😂

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-KneesToTheBreeze dollar 1 h ago

In the entire UN’s history, ~40% of its resolutions and condemnations have been towards Israel. Out of all the world conflict since 1946, 40% of its actions have involved telling Israel what it should do/not do. 🤔

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DeadEndFred 5 hs ago

UN is controlled by the Rockefellers. Rockefellers control CFR, Bilderberg and created the Trilateral Commission.

Norman Dodd, Larry McDonald and others warned us that the Rockefellers and their allies wanted a one-world government. They’re old crony Kissinger just wrote an article in WSJ yapping about world government.

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inconeleagle 5 hs ago

https://i.imgur.com/yEecgzS.gifv

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TheDefectiveAgency 20 mins ago

Easy no sew mask just need a scarf/fabric square and elastic https://vimeo.com/403895457

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CameronWoodsum 27 mins ago

Check the site! No sewing necessary.

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WitheringDaisy 50 mins ago

Been trying to make some masks for my family. Realized I'm a great knitter....terrible at sewing. Might have to pay someone to make some for us. 🤦‍♀️

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Oritinalthor 1 h ago

do you know anyone selling some?

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CameronWoodsum 25 mins ago

You can easily make at home! Check the site

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TheSchaftShiftNA 1 h ago

Question to the people saying masks don't help you from getting it. How the he'll DON'T they help? I really don't see how they cannot help.

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CameronWoodsum 24 mins ago

I think it comes from a place of ignorance. And because many government and health leaders have been pushing this false narrative. Same reason it's hard to comprehend why there are climate change deniers.

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brezhnervous 2 hs ago

I don't know why the Aust govt hasn't followed the CDC's lead/advice on this. Particularly considering asymptomatic transmission.

I am wearing a surgical mask when I need to go out; having just had my elderly Mum in hospital after a couple of falls, where she then contracted HAP (hospital acquired pneumonia - tested negative for covid-19, thank god) I got used to wearing the one I was given on the ward.

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Vaywen 28 mins ago

They haven't followed it because we still have shortages here and they don't want people buying them. Home made masks are better than nothing and everyone should try to get/ make one.

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CameronWoodsum 23 mins ago

Agreed. Yes, the US held off on recommending (bc of the shortage) but the public pressure has been too big that they can no longer push the false narrative that masks don't work

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xandaar337 Yesterday

Thanks for sharing. I'm making mine from shirts :)

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CameronWoodsum 2 hs ago

Awesome! No problem.

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twoquarters 1 day ago

I made a no-sew mask using an old t-shirt, a vacuum cleaner bag and rubber bands.

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drjudgebot 2 days ago

Something seems off about that initial claim. “If 50% of the people wear masks, 50% won’t get it.” That is a paraphrase but it makes it sound like the masks are 100% effective. Am I misreading it?

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omega303 1 day ago

Just look at the cases in asia, way less when you actually wear a mask

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o_duh 2 days ago

Thank you for this! You might want to cross post it to the sewing subreddit as well.

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CameronWoodsum 2 days ago

will do!

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obmckenzie Hamilton 3 days ago

I don't have the ability to sew or a machine so I ordered some off etsy. I've been waiting for people to come to this conclusion for a few weeks. People will look at your weird but honestly, weird looks are nothing when it can help you not get sick

They also help a lot of you have allergies like hayfever

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marcyandleela 3 days ago

I am going to a funeral tomorrow. Plan is to wear gloves and mask and disinfect everything before and after touching it. Will not be going anywhere near anybody except my husband.

Mother in law made us masks. Should be interesting wearing funeral attire with a fun American flag print mask.

For the record I am not happy that this funeral is happening at all but I am being dragged to it essentially.

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chaoticidealism 2 days ago

I understand. Sometimes the social pressure to attend a funeral is too much. Your best bet is to launder your clothes and shower afterwards--and honestly, when you've just been to a sad thing like a funeral, maybe a shower will be comforting just by itself, in addition to being a coronavirus precaution.

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NaivePhysics8 2 days ago

I know it’s awkward to have family obligations and be expected to go during this time. I feel for you. Stay safe, and you’re doing the right thing by protecting yourself and others.

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Alan_Krumwiede 3 days ago

This post is better suited for a related subreddit.

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DexOrdo 3 days ago

I noticed the section on the website around cleaning the homemade masks. Is there any thought of soaking these in soap & hot water, rinsing - and then placing them in the microwave for a few minutes? (As opposed to sunlight. You know, Ohio and all)

I've done this for years to disinfect dishwashing rags and sponges. Has anyone seen any studies/tests on the ability of virus to live/die as a result of exposure to microwaves?

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dariadarling 1 day ago

The masks I have say to hang or lay flat to dry because more heat than that could destroy the elastic and wire.

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FollowingFlour22 2 days ago

The smell would bother you, you don't put sponges and rags on your nose and mouth.

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onekrazykat Cuyahoga 3 days ago

Use your iron on the steam setting

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kinda_not_really Clermont 3 days ago

I bought a pink flamingo pattern mask. :-P! I'm excited for it to arrive.

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vatsvaishali 3 days ago

If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with suspected 2019-nCoV infection.
Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing.
Masks are effective only when used in combination with frequent hand-cleaning with alcohol-based hand rub or soap and water.
If you wear a mask, then you must know how to use it and dispose of it properly.
If you dont want to go actually in this period of time dont go outside avoid as much as you can we you need any kinds of mask sanitizer or medicines order online there are so many online pharma store like 3MEDS they will deliver all things at your doorstep
#stayhome#staysafe

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_ToxicShockSyndrome_ 3 days ago

I have one and I’m ready to get looked at like I’m crazy until they become normalized. I dread it a little bit but there is way too much evidence in their favor to NOT wear one

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raanne 2 days ago

My husband went to the store yesterday wearing one and said about 50% of people were wearing one. I think it's pretty normalized now.

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juicyfizz Delaware 3 days ago

I wore mine at Costco on Sunday and shockingly wasn’t the only person wearing one!

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ynahtebbethany 3 days ago

I've had to go out twice to the store and both times had a lot of social anxiety about doing it. I brought it with me into Costco but didn't put it on. Once I was in there I noticed a lot of people wearing them so I put it on and told myself it's not about being weird right now, it's just about being safe. No one gave me weird looks but people might've thought weird things about me to themselves, but fuck 'em. The second time I did the same thing (HAHA) but I'm determined that the next time I will put it on from the start!

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AntsInThePantsdemic Summit 3 days ago

I bought masks last year because my allergies were so bad. And I was super embarrassed wearing them to do yard work. I don’t even want to be outside now.

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SphericalDrunkenness Hamilton 3 days ago

I ordered two from Etsy last week (one for me and one for my boyfriend), and someone in my local DoorDasher group is making them for the dashers there, so I'm getting three from her (one for me and two for my boyfriend). I wish I had pulled the trigger on getting them sooner, honestly. Like back when the surgeon general was screaming at us on Twitter not to wear masks. I don't care about the looks I'll get. 'Eff them.

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under_glass 3 days ago

Would you mind linking me either here of via DM to what shop you used on Etsy? I was going to make some but I've lost the foot pedal to my sewing machine!

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SphericalDrunkenness Hamilton 3 days ago

I trolled through Etsy for days last week, looking at so many masks. I finally bought at The Geek Garden: [https://www.etsy.com/shop/thegeekgarden](https://www.etsy.com/shop/thegeekgarden) (It's a five star shop with over 10K sales.) I really liked how the masks look -- you have your choice of doing over the head elastic or over the ears -- and the fabrics are fun. (Hey, if you gotta wear one... it might as well be one in a fun fabric! I got the boyfriend the MTV classic logo because he misses old school MTV, and I got a Dunkin' one because I'm a Dunkin' addict.) When I ordered, she was promising making/shipping out masks with a one-week turnaround time. (It's now looking like a one to two week turnaround). I ordered mine late last Tuesday afternoon (March 24) and it was indeed shipped out yesterday. The Geek Garden's also located in the Cleveland area! :) (That was a happy accident!) Support local Etsy shops!

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Wenisburger 3 days ago

Thank you! Just ordered two from them!

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_ToxicShockSyndrome_ 3 days ago

Yeah! Stand strong with face masks together!

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Frugalista1 3 days ago

I have masks on hand because I have asthma, and certain times of the year it really kicks up. It’s also triggered by dust in the house so on cleaning day I always wear one.

Up until recently the conventional wisdom has been that there’s no point in wearing one unless you yourself are sick because it doesn’t prevent germs from outside coming in. I’ve ignored that.

Now it’s changed to say that you are using things the healthcare workers need more. I have all the risk factors they list for a bad outcome from this virus, I need to take whatever precautions I can. I haven’t even left the house except for two Dr appointments this year.

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Amazing-Neighborhood 4 days ago

Best case scenario to balance safety and adequate supply: Non-healthcare workers - Reusable cloth masks; Healthcare workers (HCW) - Surgical masks; HCWs doing high-risk procedures such as intubation and bronchoscopy: N95 or PAPR

Edit: Added semicolons because everything became one paragraph when I hit submit

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hearshot Oʻahu 4 days ago

Correlation does not equal causation.

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maalco Oʻahu 4 days ago

Stating truisms is a good way to pretend to be doing something when actually doing jack shit..

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hearshot Oʻahu 4 days ago

I'm not the one claiming scientific evidence with zero scientific evidence.

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maalco Oʻahu Yesterday

this comment aged like milk.

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hearshot Oʻahu Yesterday

Except it hasn't. I asked for scientific evidence, you failed to provide. [Here's what I wanted.](https://www-cambridge-org.proxyau.wrlc.org/core/journals/disaster-medicine-and-public-health-preparedness/article/testing-the-efficacy-of-homemade-masks-would-they-protect-in-an-influenza-pandemic/0921A05A69A9419C862FA2F35F819D55) Note the conclusion is as an option of last resort.

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INeedALaughingPlace 4 days ago

i find myself thinking this a lot lately.

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jonnyohio 4 days ago

Okay, I will wear one. Where do I buy a mask?

Oh yeah, that's right they were all bought up by "entrepreneurs" who want to sell them back to me at 10x the original price because there no purchase limits put on them when the pandemic started, and businesses are busy selling them to foreign countries at high prices because my dumb ass government hasn't put a ban on exports of masks yet.

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mosquit0 4 days ago

Polish website - http://maskidlawszystkich.pl

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thelionslaw Yesterday

Yeah why do we even have laws or government? It should be just anarchy, natural selection

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SwillFish Yesterday

Mah freedum to infect others is stolen because I'm too stupid to stay home! This is not Murica!

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felloffaraptor Yesterday

OH I'M SORRY I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!!!

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DOGFORTHUNDER Yesterday

Wait until Trump starts the Ministry of Truth to fight against all this fake news.

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rivke Yesterday

There is a hundreds of years long history of involuntary confinement for people who refuse to quarantine themselves during outbreaks of deadly disease. And this tech has been used for ages to monitor people under house arrest. Surveillance is a worry but this isn't the harbinger the title makes it sound like.

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coldlibrarian Yesterday

This saves lives during a pandemic and is so even more useful to society than when a judge orders someone under house arrest to wear it.

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eldred59 Yesterday

Fucking started awhile back..

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wackmagicka Yesterday

Why'd yyouuu edit?

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wcbhkids Yesterday

People who refuses to self quarantine should be charge w assault, battery or manslaughter as appropriate, depending on outcom Govt is here to protect everyone, not aid and abett public endangerment by a few egotistic and selfish idiots

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Broken_Doughnut Yesterday

Yes, listen to your masters or suffer.

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wcbhkids Yesterday

Guess you are one such idiot. Good luck kiddo, the world is not kind to idiots

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Broken_Doughnut Yesterday

Seems like you've already bent over so far for your masters that you're eating out your own arse hole. Now be a good little slave and stay indoors. Probably not much change in your life style anyway.

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wcbhkids Yesterday

So says the idiot

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fordmadoxfraud Yesterday

Starts?

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matlockpowerslacks Yesterday

Starts was my thought. I'm for more authority immediately rather than getting an avalanche all at once, with people wailing to take it all. The less we're reactive, I think, the better. Also, why is this person being listed by initials only? Have they violated a lawful order? If so, wouldn't their information be public information? Asking for a neighbor.

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duderino88 12 hs ago

I used to listen to every speak AA did and this is turning increasingly irrelevant or outright ridiculous

The Davos crowd push a BullSh#t global powergrab w several strains engineered frankenstein bioweapons they'd be working on for the last 20 years (remember H5N1, SARS, Ebola, Darkwinter smallpox etc).

With the official narrative so holed that even a child can see through it, and..

.. these two hacks sit and parrot the official storyline?

Like written here, it doesn't even sound like Andreas, something happened to his brain and voice. Not to mention McCormack who now is holed up sucking thumbs and waiting for government to save him.

I'll tell you whats next:

- centralised food/water production/supply chains/distribution (forget paying for anything except central bank currency) - the key

- black markets globally for everything (like Venezula) with other currencies and non-amazon supply chain goods, here comes crypto into play

- like Hungary increasing abandonment of ordinary legislature and complete emergency powers, surveillance

- periods (months) of "waiting" and back to norm in btwn the various new strains and mutations being unleashed and dispersed "naturally"

- conventional agriculture going out of business and everything being taken over by corporations (financialised) eventually putting robots and remaining workless populus to field work at slave min wage

- massive "gold consfiscation push" for anything notably crypto, chainanalysis police force out in the open

- vaccine cards for admittance into public life and shopping

- total ban on demonstrations so as not to revive yellow wests anywhere on the globe

- disintegrating of the US empire, military and the dollar with everything it collateral damage

etc etc

Effectively Covid is a long awaited powerplay and the end of capitalism as we know it with its gigantic debt bubble.

Could be speculated: What comes next is NOT UP TO THE OLD, but the young people. If they have no vision for tomorrow, above dystopia will materialise in various forms. Bitcoin will survive as AA once noted: even the really rich ultimately have to store their stash in something you can't tamper..

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1107461063 Yesterday

doesn't sound like him at all.

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mccormack555 Yesterday

He Retweeted the show

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Mr--Robot Yesterday

Is there a video version of this?
Andreas sounds waaaaaay out and his voice is not the real one.
Did they replace him? This wasn't Andreas talking!

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mccormack555 Yesterday

I mean he ReTweeted the show

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1107461063 Yesterday

sounds like deep fake

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ninjajaguar redditor for 7 weeks Yesterday

andreas is straight up the best speaker ive ever heard, just in general.

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Square-Banana redditor for 6 weeks Yesterday

to be fair everybody was believing the virus was not as aggressive as it turned to be, and China played a role in concealing life saving info.

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Vaultoro_official 18 hs ago

Not true, we in the office were watching this virus from January data out of China was saying it's airborne and asymptomatic for 2 weeks. The other thing that was observed is that no one in the west took it seriously. I sit in Berlin and everyone was getting angry at me when I and the office started to prep. The flights were not cancelled. Governments didn't take it seriously. Hell the WHO didn't call it a pandemic until way too late. The so called leaders of the world are now pushing blame anywhere they can. The fact is we live in the information age and the info was out there. We all had the month of February to ready our countries. We didn't because most people and governments wanted to react instead of being proactive. They would say things like, oh, there are only 20 cases here, we are fine. China is not blameless but let's not pretend things would be different if china warned the world two weeks earlier. Most people would have still said it was an Asian problem, it's not here, we only have 10 cases bla bla bla.

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Square-Banana redditor for 6 weeks 13 hs ago

[https://www.theblaze.com/news/study-says-china-to-blame-for-95-percent-coronavirus](https://www.theblaze.com/news/study-says-china-to-blame-for-95-percent-coronavirus) [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-01/china-concealed-extent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-01/china-concealed-extent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says)

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Melting_Harps 17 hs ago

>China is not blameless but let's not pretend things would be different if china warned the world two weeks earlier The CCP actively spread it by forcing the borders open in Hong Kong, despite local opposition, and the mainlanders who were in a panic went over in droves and overwhelmed the Medical system. They may have shutdown Wuhan but the fact that they still had Wet Markets after SARS and continual medical advisement that this would happen again and they still ignored it is the reason why I think they should be held culpable for gross negligence that has led to Crimes Against Humanity.

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Melting_Harps Yesterday

>China played a role in concealing life saving info. Concealing? That is a very mild way of describing what the CCP actually did: arrested the physician warning about the grave nature of Covid19, dissapearing citizen journalists who were showing the amount of deaths and the the grotesque and inadequate standards people were being 'treated' in that looked more like a prison camp. Covering up the number of dead that do not coincide with locals, and possibly opening up the spread even further by re-opening the Shops the way that they have. All while expending endless amount of time and resources in Hong Kong, forcing draconian legislation, beating activists and disappearing people who protest and forcing the borders between Hk and the mainland open while the People of HK were doing their best to limit the contagion and having their hospitals overwhelmed with mainlanders. I swear if the CCP and the WHO is not investigated by the International Court of Justice for Crimes Against Humanity for all of this then they're making war, be it economic or hot, almost inevitable. I'm not in favour of War (I detest it), but seeing the utter chaos this wrought on the World, politicians will be able to foment it rather easy. Boycotting China was once deemed as impossible, after this it seems we HAVE to find ways to do without them. Reddit has major funding by China/Tencent (CCP controls all major Corps in China) so this may be something to keep in mind why all this nonsense of 'China did the right thing' narrative keeps appearing.

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IndianaGeoff Yesterday

The WHO needs to be disbanded (China can keep it if they want to continue to buy it) and a new World pandemic organization created with proper leadership and oversight. There is no excuse for what the WHO has done.

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Flip52 Yesterday

Working in Arlington VA right now. I’m an essential construction superintendent renovating an office space for people that won’t be back till June sooo super essential. My company has a Microsoft teams company wide messenger app. For the past 3 days all they do is complain and take about how hard it is to work from home while sharing pictures of there dogs and kids. Meanwhile I’m here on site everyday having to do my normal job while also policing people to stay away from each other and only 3 to an elevator. When one person coughs the whole site pauses. I can literally see the fear is people’s eyes when they come in for work in the AM. I make a decent salary and I’m really worried about my future. The laborers, framers and flooring guys don’t make much but they have to come in or they get fired and replaced. This whole thing is a big eye opener on how people that owns business will put people at risk to protect there bottom line. 85% of the construction work right now is not essential at all. My brother is a superintendent in California and he has to take temperatures every morning at a site with over 200 people a day. He said it’s an absolute nightmare. Oh and I asked for mask from my company and they said unless it’s for dust no you can’t have it because it will scare the clients.

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pronoobot Yesterday

Scaring the clients? That’s so dumb

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X-TinaRN Yesterday

🤞🏼

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cookiemonstervirus Yesterday

I think it was mentioned yesterday that DC's positive/tested ratio is 13% and they seem to be using 10% or less as a marker for doing "well".

Some of the large, close in counties (Fairfax, Montgomery) don't seem to be reporting exponential growth day over day but with testing being bullshit, it is hard to really tell.

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Green_Christmas_Ball Yesterday

It is a major international hub, just like NYC. If you look at the progression from 2.5 weeks ago when NY and NJ shut everything down, Philadelphia followed a week later. Wilmington, Baltimore, and then DC are the ends of the NE corridor.

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SciBear55 Yesterday

News articles that ask a question with the headline instead of answering one are trying to profit from the crisis. Fuck this article.

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Konukaame Yesterday

[Betteridge's law of headlines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines) is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no"

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lylerflyler Yesterday

r/coronavirus eats this shit up

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Known-Leg Yesterday

If I eat too much Mexican food, my underwear is a huge hot spot.

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untrolldieurosport Yesterday

I hope not considering I live 15 minutes (by car) away from the white house

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ChineseBatEatingDogs Yesterday

I hope it does, I am too near by. I want to see shit burn, especially at casa Blanca. Lol

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ed_edd_eddy_fu Yesterday

If the DC gets wiped out, you could be commanded in Chief for being close to the white house.

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InquisitiveBoba Gold | QC: BTC 27, ADA 20 4 hs ago

what problems is this solving that isn't already addressed with another more liquid crypto currency

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backward-stash Redditor for 4 months. 8 hs ago

Strange the github seems to be just a bunch of cloned repos

https://github.com/mobilecoinofficial

What are we missing here?

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stannumdude 7 hs ago

I think it's still in private beta stage. I get that it might seem shady (as is common with cryptocurrency), but Moxie and the team have been working on (and talking about) mobilecoin for quite a while now. For example,see: [https://www.wired.com/story/mobilecoin-cryptocurrency/](https://www.wired.com/story/mobilecoin-cryptocurrency/) [https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/24/mobilecoin-moxie-marlinspike-binance-labs/](https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/24/mobilecoin-moxie-marlinspike-binance-labs/) [https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2018/04/25/binance-taps-signal-inventor-create-new-cryptocurrency-mobile-payments/](https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2018/04/25/binance-taps-signal-inventor-create-new-cryptocurrency-mobile-payments/)

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CosinusPhi Sceptic 6 hs ago

Well, thanks for the links, but is really no more recent info available? I checked their website, and did not find anything there. Do they count on the name of their found being enough to draw people to their testnet?

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stannumdude 4 hs ago

I think it's in limited beta right now, so I'm guessing they're counting on people who've been following them for a while to contact them. As someone who's been following them passively for a while (I'm subscribed to their twitter feed), they really haven't been very communicative. That said, I'm a huge fan of Signal and the fact that their Signal protocol has become the golden standard for chat encryption (with WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, Skype, and Google's Allo all adopting it) makes me confident that they can pull off an open-source private payment protocol too.

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stannumdude 10 hs ago

If you haven't heard of MobileCoin before, it's the cryptocurrency designed by Moxie Marlinspike, the founder of Signal and the Signal protocol (which also powers the encryption behind WhatsApp).

You can read more about it at the official website.

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stannumdude 10 hs ago

If you haven't heard of MobileCoin before, it's the cryptocurrency designed by Moxie Marlinspike, the founder of Signal and the Signal protocol (which also powers the encryption behind WhatsApp).

You can read more about it at the official website.

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AnastasiaMoon 1 h ago

He’s cosa nostra

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MajesticLeadership5 2 hs ago

He must be rich. Good for him though that he can pass it along to his renters. A lot of landlords won’t be able to do that.

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abner25 2 hs ago

He's making himself out to be a savior like he decided to do it. Whether he wants to or not the mayor already issued a rent freeze. And any eviction processes are on hold.

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neue-user 4 hs ago

This really is good news. I hope more and more landlords could do the same. 🙏 if people get fired from their jobs, how will they continue to pay rent? They'd risk their lives by going outside in order to get money to pay rent and this terrible pandemic will never slow down. By cancelling rent, this landlord now has a much better reputation, maybe it will lead to more business opportunities for him. So it's a win-win for him as well as for his tenants. I hope that more landlords decide to do the same. 🙏 thank you for sharing OP 🙏

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BuffTheSodaPopper 8 hs ago

A disgrace to landlords everywhere

Because he isn't a total piece of shit

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doughnuttime89 8 hs ago

still nice that he cancelled rent for them... most landlords are going bat*** right now because some of their tenants have lost their jobs and they want to evict in 24h

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FPSXpert 8 hs ago

Yup. I fully expect a "Florida man (or woman) kills landlord that tried to illegally evict" post by the end of the month.

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relaxilla420 6 hs ago

Yeah the state governors and federal leaders who repeat the "no evictions" lie are gonna have a bad time, give it a few weeks. Landlords are just having private companies evict illegally and if the tenants want to fight it, Good Luck! The courts are closed! The people in charge really think they got all the issues ironed out. Its so ridiculous.

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Awkward_Adeptness 9 hs ago

Imagine trying to do the same shit as a young and single woman in Brooklyn. You'd get harassed to death, probably sexually assaulted.

I'm sure he's a nice guy, but I want to point out that not everybody physically CAN do these things regardless of intent.

LOL, and imagine trying to run a car shop as a female in Brooklyn. You wouldn't have such nice community results, you'd be questioned endlessly on your competence and decisions.

Again, nice guy, but if you take the same kind of personality and put them in someone else, they're going to be very disillusioned.

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Mylovekills 9 hs ago

So, why is he a parasite? Because he owns some apartment buildings? What was he supposed to do? Just buy the 3rd floor? He's not a slumlord, he's liked by his tenants...

For the nearly four years Mr. Gentile[tenant] has lived in the apartment, Mr. Salerno[landlord] has been a model landlord... “He’s amazing.”

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radical_marxist 8 hs ago

Its not a problem about individuals. The whole system where workers have to pay other people huge sums of money for a place to live needs to be abolished.

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PMmeChubbyGirlButts 5 hs ago

Wut...

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Iconoclast123 12 hs ago

Not all heroes wear capes.

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nnorargh 12 hs ago

Hero!

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Dencho 13 hs ago

Nice try.

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flippinbud 13 hs ago

Theres just too many paycheck to paycheck landlords who thought it would be a good idea to leverage themselves into more debt than they could handle, this dudes actually got the money to do this lol

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caltalaltbeat 13 hs ago

Maybe them landlords should defer their mortgage payments.

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flippinbud 13 hs ago

And still pay interest

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caltalaltbeat 9 hs ago

That's the risk they take on their investment property. If it's a problem maybe they can join strikers and agitate to suspend mortgage payments along with rent payments.

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flippinbud 9 hs ago

That's not a risk since they can just sue the tenant for whatever the tenant wont pay

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TypeVirus 13 hs ago

I agree, but at least this guy is being a decent person about the whole thing.

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HangarQueen 14 hs ago

A terrific feel-good story. Read the whole thing. Thanks for posting.

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alphainitial 16 hs ago

You got served!

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Frankietomatosauce Park Slope 18 hs ago

I heard a bunch of hasids died of shock when they heard about this

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CarefreeInMyRV 19 hs ago

Man, housing is a human right. I don't believe it should cost more the 20% of minimum wage after taxes.

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Throwaway1262020 12 hs ago

They tried that in the USSR. Go ask any old Eastern European what their housing was like under communism. Sorry I’m not interested.

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IramDei 8 hs ago

I live in a former soviet country, roughly 70% of that generation owns one or multiple properties (like a weekend house). (I agree that communism was shit though)

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Greevar 10 hs ago

No, they did not. You have no clue what you're talking about. It's made evident by the fact that you clearly don't even know the definition of communism. Stop spreading lies.

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user9460 6 hs ago

It WaSnt ReAl CoMuNiSm

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Greevar 6 hs ago

Communism: A socioeconomic system which is stateless, money-less, and classless. Stateless: without government Money-less: does not use money Classless: all people are generally equal So yes, it wasn't real communism. Because it doesn't satisfy the definition. It's just what uneducated bootlickers claim is "communism".

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user9460 6 hs ago

I likely have more degrees than you have teeth mongoloid. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist\_state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_state)

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Greevar 6 hs ago

Oh, so you found a wikipedia entry that contradicts the definition it links to within the article! Nice job! That degree wasn't worth the paper it was written on.

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Greevar 5 hs ago

You're not my better and no number of degrees will change that.

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user9460 5 hs ago

He says despite all observable metrics showing otherwise

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NihilistValues 10 hs ago

I’ve been to the apartment that my wife grew up in in a former soviet country. The government gave everyone an apartment. It’s quite nice if you ask me.

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CarefreeInMyRV 12 hs ago

Did you even read my comment?

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S54Kaleb 14 hs ago

And who is going to pay for that?

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Bears_Beets_Battles_ 13 hs ago

Bezos

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S54Kaleb 11 hs ago

And what motivates people to work at building enormous wealth if they have to spread it around to those that "dont want to work". Im genuinely curious as to this subs thought process

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Drago-Morph 11 hs ago

Bezos doesn't work at building enormous wealth, *his workers do*. All Bezos does is tax all the value they create through their work and call it his own. Bezos doesn't pay for the workers, the workers pay for Bezos - and if they weren't paying for his freeloading ass, there would be a lot more resources to go around.

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_error_prone 6 hs ago

If Bezos doesn’t do anything, why doesn’t everyone just start their own entity with their own compensation rules? Bezos also started from scratch at one point. I’m sure 500,000 workers can scrape together a few bucks each to fund it as much as he did.

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Drago-Morph 43 mins ago

> If Bezos doesn’t do anything He doesn't. > why doesn’t everyone just start their own entity with their own compensation rules? Because people are *poor*. Starting a business and becoming a capitalist requires requires capital, weirdly enough. That means either already being rich or being able to convince rich people to give you money. That, or convincing *lots and lots* of normal poor people to give you what little money of theirs doesn't go to their bosses, landlords, or food. Some people manage to do it, sometimes. But the system is designed to prevent it. > Bezos also started from scratch at one point. That Jeff Bezos got a $300,000 startup loan from his parents is so frequently shared that it's basically a meme by now. He was also in a secure enough position to have time to start a business. For most people, the interruption of a paycheck puts them in serious financial jeopardy. > I’m sure 500,000 workers can scrape together a few bucks each to fund it as much as he did. Trying to democratically organize 500,000 people is a much more robust challenge than organizing a few dozen employees under one authoritarian (or however many Bezos started with). Additionally, the revenue required to support 500,000 people is massive versus the revenue required to support one person - and it is just one person, because Bezos' employees are expendable. As long as he's making enough money for himself, his business is a success. TL;DR: You have to be rich to get rich, guy.

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petklutz 11 hs ago

why should anyone be motivated to build enormous wealth if not for the good of their community?

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S54Kaleb 11 hs ago

To play the game (thats all society is... a game) and win? These people create jobs, industry, provide services, etc. You do realize without people working, the life we know and innovation mostly grinds to a halt right? Im just here to attempt to understand this mentality.

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nsfwsiava 11 hs ago

People screech about games being unbalanced all the time buddy. You accidentally came to the right conclusion.

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S54Kaleb 10 hs ago

Oh its the most unbalanced of them all, im not arguing that point.

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nsfwsiava 6 hs ago

You also seem to be confusing people working with people having to work.

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petklutz 11 hs ago

I don't believe that that's why you're here.

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S54Kaleb 11 hs ago

Why else would I?

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TrueBornTyrant 17 hs ago

Absolutely.

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AlphaOmegaWhisperer 18 hs ago

Agreed.

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manzoire 19 hs ago

I'm amazed that this isn't the norm

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reveal_it_info Yesterday

It all looks like a competition of states - who will give more money to their citizens. In fact, it’s really great that in difficult times there are people ready to help and they have such an opportunity.

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s6x Yesterday

paywall

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Martholomeow Yesterday

I know this guy. He also owns a gas station and auto repair shop in the area. Very Brooklyn Italian American guy. Big heart, but don’t fuck with him either.

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SexHaver2323 Yesterday

The sad thing is that it is uplifting because so few landlords would ever do such a thing

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beeteeoh Yesterday

As much as I’m not superstitious - this is the guy who’s going to see the kingdom of heaven. Not because he’s going to pray for a cookie from his cosmic daddy, but because he’s fucking building it right here in goddam Brooklyn. I wish I could buy this magnificent man a drink.

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