They are providing designs for a mechanical version as well as an electrical version. Also key specifications on what constitutes a proper ventilator is provided. Check the mit e-vent website for more details.

This is not appropriate for Perth to be manufacturing, let me give some reasoning below:

There are groups of people in Perth who have already come up with significantly better designs than this based on the UK functional requirements, with less design vulnerabilities with (presumably) significantly better MTBF (less reliance on arduino-type hardware and favouring industrial plc, usage of industrial spec valves and no cams or other hobby-shop components).

This device additionally does not satisfy the UK specification released that most people have been designing based on in terms of what it can measure and manage. In fact, it's not really a ventilator.

However - in a third world country, this may prove useful, which to be fair to them is sort of what they were getting at. Don't get me wrong, this is a clever design - although a lot of the detail is missing around how specific variables are measured/manged.

It's basically a waste of time for anybody to do anything until the government pulls the trigger and says "We want this design, TGA permission be damned". Otherwise, the hospitals will get flooded with non-conforming designs that dont function in the same way or do the same thing and people will get killed by blown up lungs or brain damage because the nurses press the wrong button.

Until then it's just designs sitting on a shelf. Currently the WA government and health dept seem very confident in their ventilator and other respiratory gear supply (the aforementioned groups have been in contact with the WA govt, WA health dpt and TGA) so we'll wait and see.

I am not an expert but I was talking to respiratory therapists about solutions earlier in my own research and I'm not sure that this would be useful in most circumstances relating to COVID2019. In a severe pneumonia situation the lungs cannot take in enough oxygen to sustain life. So mechanical ventilation is used to push humidified oxygen into the lungs to increase a patients 02 levels. This appears to push in regular air and I'm not seeing the benefit that is likely to have in a pneumonia situation. I could see it being useful in other circumstances. Could be wrong though this is just what I've gathered in my own research.

Just wondering, can CPAPs be used as a temp ventilator? I heard something about it on the radio the other day.

There are PLENTY of sleep apnea people in this country lol especially in the military haha

Looks interesting.

Hope we don't need to resort to these.

I appreciate the effort but 100$ might as well be 1,000$ when my income has stopped 100%

I’m looking at taking up hunting and fishing to be able to eat, here!

Cool, now we need a $100 solution that will let someone handle being choked and having a cold piece of metal jammed down their throats for 45 seconds AND stop the patient from panicking, vomiting and ripping out the ventilator.

While these will save lives, there's still no comparison to a $30,000 Medtronic machine. I don't pay $600 health insurance premiums to be connected to a contraption intended for a 3rd world country

How long before people who don’t know what they’re doing try and make one and kill themselves?

Correct me if I’m wrong. Diba kapag naka intubate yung isang patient, hindi ito pwede magtagal? So kailangan niya ng tracheostomy?

It’ll take 20 years for the government to decide its safe to use and to allow one company to manufacture it for $30,000 dollars a piece.

Are we supposed to clap like dumb little monkeys because someone figured out how to pump a manual ventilator? It's a cute little project for a student, but something like that would NEVER be used in a real medical situation - especially not for an extended period of time. Real ventilators are extremely high tech devices backed by millions in r&d and validation. If one of the top manufactures released all of their designs, software, specs for tooling, etc. so that anyone could produce it, then it would be newsworthy.

Who would even accept being put on one of the proposed ventilators? In the middle of a jungle, maybe. Not in a modern hospital.

Aaaandddd all the components are sold out, everywhere.

I’ll be honest. He's 100% DEUS VULT

This needs an auto populated amazon buy list or something like pcpartpicker. Hell, I’d buy it and try to make it work. I can afford one maybe two. Every little bit counts. Even if it was crowdsourced for someone else to build and distribute, I’d contribute.

The real heroes here: Doctors, Nurses, Engineers, and small business owners. Americans still prove to be unusually cunning and willful, it’s our government thats holding US back.

Still would need testing, trials and FDA approval

AvE is working on one as well made from off-the-shelf hardware/electronic store parts. Still a work in progress and he’s waiting on solenoid valves to come in, but here is a video of it. https://youtu.be/oqRgISFuE0k . A lot more janky than the MIT version but if it saves a life then it’s still good. The guy does know his shit about stuff though.

Can we get the video?

Love for so many brilliant scientists doing such amazing work. My community college and local tech school are making face shields and I am super proud of them also

That... yeah, not the worker.

It’s a nice thought but that device is unlikely to work adequately on the stiff lungs that are a consequence of the ARDS disease process in these patients.

UF creates a cheaper diy one sauce.

How the fuck am I supposed to make this?

I see people excited to 3D print it but wtf, who causally has that? Waaaay lower than the population that has it and even lower than those who are able and willing to make it. And saying "I will" on some essentially random website isn't going to cut it.

I work for a humanitarian agency and we have planning what would happen if the virus spreads to a particular group of overcrowded, unhygienic refugee camps. We can build isolation units to contain the virus but people will die on mass without ventilators. I hope that a ventilator gets developed built that can be used in resource-poor settings.

This is the next big topic coming up - the proposed "monitoring" and surveillance is a bit scary:

Just one of many excerpts:

1. A comprehensive national sentinel surveillance system, supported by and coordinated with local public-health systems and health care providers, to track the background rate of infection across states and identify community spread while an outbreak is still small and at a stage in which case-based interventions can prevent a larger outbreak.

Here's a (in my opinion quite realistic) plan for how to determine when (and how) to slowly begin to re-open society and gradually lift the lock down (while keeping social distancing, testing, giving masks, etc...). It says a Country should do so when we have achieved the following:

• A sustained reduction in cases for at least 14 days;
• Hospitals in the state are safely able to treat all patients requiring hospitalization without resorting to crisis standards of care;
• The state is able to test all people with COVID-19 symptoms; and
• The state is able to conduct active monitoring of confirmed cases and their contacts.

And this ''Phase 2'' would be about:

In Phase II, the majority of schools, universities, and businesses can reopen. Teleworking should continue where convenient; social gatherings should continue to be limited to fewer than 50 people wherever possible. Other local restrictions should be considered, such as those that limit people from congregating in close proximity.

High-contact settings such as schools should continue to review and implement physical distancing measures... and input from local officials. Health officials should recommend increased social hygiene measures and cleaning of shared surfaces.

For older adults (those over 60 years old), those with underlying health conditions, and other populations at heightened risk from COVID-19, it should still be recommended that they limit time in the community during Phase II. This recommendation may change if an effective therapeutic becomes available.

And that:

The adoption of these Phase II measures will require a careful balance. We will need to constantly reevaluate the implementation of these measures based on available surveillance data, and we will need to be ready to adjust our approach over time according to the epidemiology of local, national, and global spread. This is especially true as we transition from one phase to the next.

In my opinion this is a solid plan. And I'd like to hear what some of you think about it.

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How come they don’t list the amount recovered? 18 deaths/30 recovered is horrible..is that the true death rate then..?

The case fatality rate is better than in China, maybe this is evidence that is less deadly than it originally seemed. Still very dangerous and disruptive.

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Pretty low CFR.

1. I think south korea is doing a great job of identifying mild cases.
2. If mortality from this group if 3736 eventually doubled, cfr would be around 1%. That’s my current estimate, with top-level medical care, and 3-4% when ICU resources become overwhelmed.

Current number of deaths is 20, not 18.

https://m.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20200301074051053?section=local/index

The church needs to face criminal charges for intentionally spreading the virus.

This is still early days for the count too because of the sheer amount of new cases being added daily

I refuse to believe Japan doesn't have a similar situation going on but are keeping it quiet, which is disgusting, the virus here is in over 12 cities...the spread is terrible

South Korea's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced 586 new coronavirus cases on Sunday, bringing the country’s total to 3,736.

Authorities also reported one new fatality, following the 17 people who had previously died.

South Korea has the largest outbreak of the virus outside of mainland China, where most cases have been recorded.

Of the total number confirmed cases, the city of Daegu has the largest share, with 2,569 cases. At least 2,113 of the cases in Daegu have been linked to the Shincheonji religious group, who have been accused by officials of hampering the fight against the virus.

Schools closed: Daegu's office of education confirmed it has delayed the resumption of 800 schools by two more weeks, as efforts to stop the spread of the disease ramp up.

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Which is why those in power constantly seek to suppress and destroy it.

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This. So many times I have used a false name registering for online services. If various services allow assumed names, then the Anon Internet can prevail. And using my assumed name, I was never banned from a service because of it. Only in some rare occasions was I asked to provide my real name, and have it backed up with a passport or utility bill, but those were usually related to high-risk financial arrangements, so I don't mind sacrificing my real identity with that.

If anonymity is a prerequisite doesn't it mean we don't have real freedom of expression anyway?

China man

Just let the drug addicts die out. Easiest solution and nobody will miss them.

Sounds like the ccp again is part of the problem.....again. If they have been getting the precursor from labs in China, sounds like they are part of the drug problem here in America. More reason to black list ccp. I hope this virus is the turning point for everyone to stop relying on China for anything and everything and keep the jobs home!!

Why does heroin need precursor from China?

Is it really that hard to shut these plants down? I refuse to believe the CCP can't do this. They must be massive to produce the volume of drugs and chemicals moving into Mexico and the US.

Silver linings, hopefully this thing clears out the addicts and homeless

China sells everything, have you tried buying the heroin straight from the Koreans.

This is terrible. Does anyone know if the CARESact has a provision for this?

Imagine not stocking up before a crisis.

It never began for the poors

Bailouts needed!

When my brother was an emt his worst cases were those that related to drug users. They could be very dangerous if you took them off there high or tried to limit them. Don't know what EMT's today would preffer

Not all good news. Fentanyl withdrawal is deadly and difficult. It might push desparate addicts to commit violent crimes instead of seeking help.

good thing that i grow my own medicine

Which means violent crime is on its way up. Junkies need their fix, there's fewer people for panhandling, and wearing masks is socially acceptable. If you do have to go out in public, stay alert.

This thing is lifting the rug on so much shit.

They still have access to methadone/suboxone in Canada through the public health system (although suboxone isn’t fully covered).

This could be a blessing in disguise for a lot of addicts trying to get clean.

Not to mention the panic buying.

Don't worry, CCP is helping addicted guys to quit abusing.

What would happen to those that are craving em physically I wonder.

This is such mixed news. I really wonder what effect it will have on addicted people. Maybe a few go into rehab? But for a little while people have to come up with more valuables to feed their habits, but how is the market for "found" items right now? Not like the flea markets two counties over are open for business. So if that supply chain for fenced goods is just not seeing demand what happens? The questions we have been asking for the last six weeks are going to be answered as we all watch.

Dammit! What am I supposed to do during this lockdown then?

Oh no drug dealers are unable to sell drugs that's such a shame what ever shall we do /s lmao they can fuck right off

Ah yes china the exporter of chemical and bio terrorism.

Things are hard all over

Seems like the time to get into makeshift, DYI chemistry, Walter White style.

Eili5

Thanks - that was actually informative.

“We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

u r retrd of the day.

Seriously, how the fuck do mods let this shit get posted? This has already been discussed a million times (and posted) today. This sub is fucking terrible because of how its managed now.

Wow thanks for the breaking news.

pRiCeD iN sPy 5/15 300c

ALWAYS bet on Donald to say dumb shit. Bears 4eva.

You’re 7 hours too late

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It could be Great Depression 2.0 but i wish it will not.

The middle class will be wiped out.

I preferred to say 1929 instead of 2009

We heading towards 1930s here.

Guys, neo depression era will be cool. We can just eat bread and hang out while not working 69 hour weeks.

It fucking blows my mind that all the workers and all the buildings and all the actual physical goods can still be here, yet people are going to lose their homes and go hungry because rich assholes control so much of the imaginary representation of that wealth.

Seriously, if we had a competent and humane government the first step to a depression of the scale proposed here would be nationalizing all the banks, canceling all the debt, and seizing the assets of all the corporations.

There is more than enough food, and fuel, and consumable resources to put a two month pause on our economy. The only victims necessary are the pocket books of the rich.

Edit: my original comment is really emotional and aggressive so I want to outline my thoughts in a less combative/more productive way down here.

The basic issue is that recessions aren't caused by a failure in the wealth of the nation/planet. They are caused by the messy shifts in the money that represents this wealth. Our monetary system is a massively complicated beast that spans from physical dollars to investments in funds that purchase debts based on forecasts of their interest profits. Mismatches between the imaginary money and the physical wealth are what cause recessions.

If a recession like the one proposed in the article happens because the millions of individual actors whose value is made up largely of stocks and ownership of debt are acting in their own self interest. These actors are the people with the most to loose. In recessions they are often the ones who lose the least.

Nationalizing the economy at the expense of the banking class would shift the costs of this recession from the livelihoods of the common people to the excess of the wealthy. This is a vastly preferable outcome in my mind because nobody dies. The wealthy still have all their mansions, and sports cars, and yachts they will be fine. Meanwhile the people get to keep their jobs, homes, and health.

Which is why we need to end the quarantine and get back to work.

Hey all, I was like 11 years old in 2009. Can someone tell me what the 2009 recession was?

We chose economy over health, we will have neither

The US already threw what.. 8 trillion dollars at staving off a further decline in the stock market now.

And we’re probably still in the 3rd inning...

Just wait until the suicides and crime start . I wonder , which will people be scared of more ?

Going to be a full blown depression.

Edit: a word

It's worth discussing if he and his henchmen wanted a larger crisis. They're getting everything they want: bigger wealth transfer resulting in (soon) bigger cuts to entitlements plus massive deregulation. If a gift to them.

He was more worried about the economy. So he chose to ignore it and gamble it wasn't gonna be bad.

Now he lost both gambles, the economy is tanking and the US will be the worst hit nation.

Remember, its just a hoax from the democrats to get 'mericas Lord and savior out of office! They tried impeachment, and now ANOTHER hoax? If this bullshit virus is even real, Trump did the best he could! #MAGA /s

I love this we can end up with the most deaths and most people infected and trump will say he did everything perfectly

This is very ironic.

Of course he failed. Every crisis of his Presidency has been some self-inflicted wound, like firing Comey, triggering the Mueller investigation, to trying to put some hoax on Biden so that that Trump broke the law in Ukraine.

Now, he's faced with a real crisis. We elect a President to guide us through dark times like this, and we've got this evil clown in charge, more interested in his own image than the lives of millions of Americans.

Trump is completely unsuited for public office, and enough fools voted for him that he squeaked by to become President with a -3 million vote mandate. Now we have the worst Pandemic in a century, and people are going to die from his incompetence.

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Please, can anyone explain his current 47% approval rating? It boggles my mind. How can so many in this country be duped!

This is the story that everyone in the country needs to hear repeatedly until November

Both the USA and South Korea got their first case on exactly the same day. The similarities end there. One president mobilized the nation, the other went golfing.

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An explanation of the mistakes Trump made, and a potential counterfactual: if the US had elected a competent leader in 2016, what would they have done?

trump incompetence = bodies stacked in temporary morgues

fucktrump #FuckFoxNews #killtrump #murdertrump

Yeah, trump fucked this up, just like he fucks everything else up. Difference is this time a bunch of people are fucking dying because of it.

Vote in November, or it will happen again. You cannot let conservatives run this country. Do not let people who want to drown government be in charge of the government, or they will fail you every. single. time.

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Jesus Christ .... share this article with everyone you know. Un- fucking - believable.

And the danger continues to grow as many governors and mayors are more concerned with the few dollars that would be lost by doing the right thing.

Great article.

His ineptitude, ignorance, pettiness and cowardice is hardly newsworthy any more. It's the new normal.

Does anyone believe this was the first test Donald J Trump failed?

He learned how to slough off failure early in life. Everyone else fails to treat him as the BSer he is, always has been, always will be.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/fqp4l8/the_lost_month_how_a_failure_to_test_blinded_the/

lol much decentralized veri satoshi

You are talking protocol devs now aren't you? We don't want that in Bitcoin.

The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime.

Another excellent piece from BitMex Research. Maybe this will be useful reading for every conspiratorial lunatic that insist blockstream controls bitcoin. They don't have the technical literacy to read the git but they might be able to read this.

ty, very interesting. :)

Are they going door to door in every county or only in those that are popular summer vacation hotspots for New Yorkers???

Last time I checked, being a New Yorker isn’t a protected class, they aren’t stopping people from coming into the state and they are enforcing health guidelines within their state. Seriously, what’s the big deal? I think this is prudent, not perfect but people really should try to be doing what’s best for the public vs themselves right now.

I hope people realize that this is actually forcing face-to-face (i.e., close proximity) interactions between carriers and public servants who will then go on to interact with many other people. It's literally asking to increase the spread. I mean really...you're going to go up to the homes of high-risk people, knock on their doors, and then speak to them? And this should stop the spread?

Posse Comitatus anyone?

😂

At least the ACLU has called her out already for this stupid plan: http://www.riaclu.org/news/post/aclu-statement-on-governors-plans-to-give-state-police-power-to-stop-cars-w

So now our national guard, police, and state police have all been exposed to potential carriers.............. RIP

Finally! NY anf NJ need to be completely shut off until this pandemic passes.

As a New Yorker, I will think twice about spending my money in Rhode Island over this. You can't suspend the constitution just because it feels like you're doing something. This wont stop any coronavirus cases in Rhode Island, it's just an authoritarian power flex.

This is definitely concerning.

Next week, people and businesses with residential rental properties in Rhode Island will get a formal notice from the state about quarantine rules: "The State of Rhode Island is instructing you to inform all property guests, renters, invitees, and occupants arriving in Rhode Island (e.g. those persons staying in hotels, vacation properties, short-term rentals, Airbnb’s, so-called, or other online rentals) of these requirements ... We also ask for your cooperation in ensuring that such persons report any applicable self-quarantines to the Rhode Island Department of Health ...

If this is a reminder of 1930s Germany then it's time to take a breather .

That's hyperbolic

Dems be Dems

The good news is that the national guard members who are going door to door are likely to be infected should NY residents be a legitimate risk and if there's a type of person I'm okay with getting the coronavirus, it's the people who'd comply with orders to do gestapo-esque door to door checks.

Holy shit. Probable cause schmobible cause.

It's CNN. They created the genre of FUD porn

I think the main problem is it will do more as a “big brother play” than it will to stop there spread of disease, intentional or not.

Boogaloo: Origins

Rhode Island ain't fucking around lol

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I think we all understand why no one wants to be in NY right now. However seeking refuge in RI of all states and coming from NY atm is risky. There's no way to know for sure you aren't coming here asymptomatic and unknowingly spreading in a state that lack the resources.

I also want to mention other states are doing the same as us so acting like it's only RI being taking precautions.

More like overstepping their powers this is not the 1940s you cant go door to door.

Oh, please. By Memorial Day, Rhode Island’s population doubles. As a state we are not prepared for this influx of Coronavirus patients. Yes there have been mistakes by our government, but RI is not preventing people from coming. And they are coming, just look at the grocery parking lots. The state is just simply getting information so when ultimately there is a severe outbreak of virus it can possibly be contained.

It’s interesting to see the differences between her and Baker. And especially seeing the comments from the locals on how each is leading. One isn’t doing enough and someone is going overboard seems to be the general consensus.

Basically, no ones going to be happy about the solutions. Suck it up and stay home everyone, let’s ride this out as smoothly as possible.

And now I’ll leave this disgusting group of humans. Good luck.

When researchers conducted systematic review of a variety of interventions used during the SARS outbreak in 2003, they found that washing hands more than 10 times daily was 55 percent effective in stopping virus transmission, while wearing a mask was actually more effective — at about 68 percent. Wearing gloves offered about the same amount of protection as frequent hand-washing, and combining all measures — hand-washing, masks, gloves and a protective gown — increased the intervention effectiveness to 91 percent.

So the medical professionals was just shaming plebs to die so they can have a comfortable stock of supplies.

Fuck them.

Can someone post a link that doesn’t require creating an account?

They lied to the public to try to convince us that hording masks will be ineffective in the hopes that healthcare workers would have enough masks.

Result: Healthcare workers still don't have enough masks because we didn't stockpile enough and their production has been offshored due to past greed and stupidity, and now we have a public that doesn't believe masks work. How about a big fuck you to the media and the WHO and our globalist scumbag politicians.

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When researchers conducted systematic review of a variety of interventions used during the SARS outbreak in 2003, they found that washing hands more than 10 times daily was 55 percent effective in stopping virus transmission, while wearing a mask was actually more effective — at about 68 percent. Wearing gloves offered about the same amount of protection as frequent hand-washing, and combining all measures — hand-washing, masks, gloves and a protective gown — increased the intervention effectiveness to 91 percent.

This is well written article giving several reasons why masks are good.

If J. Trudy hadn't given away our masks, the government could have given a box to each household to help slow down the spread of the corona virus.

They knew a pandemic was coming eventually and Trudy knew it was coming soon but he gave away our masks.

I've been looking for masks since late January. Nothing. Newmarket, ON. Even called Aurora/hardware stores, salon supplies stores.

How MSM retains even one stitch of credibility in some people's eyes is amazing

1. Only the sick should wear masks. 2) People are contagious before showing symptoms. 3) Profit?

Health officials in Canada and USA continue to show misunderstanding of the purpose of the mask. It is to stop the spread, not catch, of the virus.

See Czech Republic for a success story from 100% mask usage.
https://twitter.com/jeremyphoward/status/1242572288962240517?s=20

I mean, it's a bit moot when you can't even get masks. And, as someone who is young, otherwise healthy (edit: in the relevant ways - I don't think the virus cares about issues like my stupid knee), and not working in healthcare, maybe any that are available should go to healthcare workers and the vulnerable first? I'm pretty low risk. And I barely leave the house.

Donning and Doffing!

Cant find masks anywhere

I take the bus to work (finance job) and have been trying to find some, but the quickest they can be shipped is in May

If they tell everyone to wear a mask to be safe ....but there is nowhere near enough masks we have a worse problem.

This might be an article about Americans... but I’m prettttttty sure it applies to everyone.

The whole media narrative about masks not helping has been fucking retarded bunk based on a few “experts” that wanted to zig when all of Asia zagged.

99% of people walking around South Korea can be seen wearing a mask and they have probably handled the virus the best and have the best information available coming out of their country that isn’t blatant lies or propaganda.

People in SK were wearing masks long before this pandemic. Maybe not 99% of people like they are now, but a large portion of a population. Walking around in any Asian airport you can see people wearing masks. There’s a reason for it and our local western “experts” were dead wrong. Well... actually other people are dead... they are just wrong.

I guess our “experts” have murdered thousands of people by their stupid “masks don’t help” message.

Key paragraph: “When researchers conducted systematic review of a variety of interventions used during the SARS outbreak in 2003, they found that washing hands more than 10 times daily was 55 percent effective in stopping virus transmission, while wearing a mask was actually more effective — at about 68 percent. Wearing gloves offered about the same amount of protection as frequent hand-washing, and combining all measures — hand-washing, masks, gloves and a protective gown — increased the intervention effectiveness to 91 percent.”

During an epidemic one should wear a mask.

it's not rocket science.

No. You are missing the point. The mask isn't to protect you. It's to protect people from you when you're infected and don't know it.

Etsy for hand-sewn cotton ones. Or wear a bandana.

I am just not leaving my house. That seems to work best. I am going to be a shut in forever.

The CDC's advice was suspect from the beginning: "don't wear masks, they don't help. Healthcare providers need the masks to protect them from the disease."

The Walking Dead's CDC was more effective than the one in reality, and the Walking Dead's CDC consisted of one lone survivor who ended up incinerating the CDC building along with him inside it.

Where to buy masks? They have been out of stocks for weeks.

Too bad you can't get any

My GF and I went out yesterday to pick up perscriptions and a few misc supplies that we needed from the drugstore (was a good opportunity to grab more eggs and milk, etc). We wore surgical (not n95) masks and gloves.

The store ended up having way more people than anticipated and only one other person had a mask. Most notably everyone was giving us the stink eye and staying far back from us like we were diseased (we both feel fine) so it at least did have a benefit of keeping people out of our 2m bubble.

I don't care what they think. We bought some early on back when they were first locking down Wuhan and no one thought it would be a thing here. I have some n95s stored away for when things get really bad but so far things are not too bad here in Canada. I just wish I bought more to distribute to more of my family and friends.

Wearing a bandana would at the least help stop you from spitting large droplets on to surfaces.

Before I stopped interacting totally with public spaces, I also carried a spray bottle filled with alcohol. I'd use it to clean gas pumps and stuff.

There are a group of people who insist vaccines are at minimum 18 months way, but we have already seen normal procedures falling by the wayside, and this would just be another example of things being expedited.

The content of this proposal is discussed here https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00927-3 and there is a reddit post https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/fq7ji1/should_scientists_infect_healthy_people_with_the/ but I wanted to highlight the actual preprint