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The CCP must be stopped. I feel awful for the residents of Hubei and Wuhan specifically.

If true, the WHO is going to have a lot of questions to answer.

Believable. That means the number of infected is closer to a million than not.

And this is only the number in Wuhan. How may cities did they lock down? Could the total be closer to 200,000, as Dr. Fauci suggested was the likely number of deaths in the US by the time this is over?

47k would still be a moderately impressive number to hold deaths under. China’s current numbers are blatantly wrong.

Not like most threads in r/Coronavirus have anti-US tone, or anti-Trump tone. Radio Free Asia is described as not credible because it is US government funded. Cannot be trusted as source to question Chinese government funded media.

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Way higher

If this is indeed the real number and the world will confirm that China lied, this calls for an economical ban on China and its economy. I don’t mind paying extra for products that weren’t made in China.

This makes total sense DESPITE THE WHOLLY UNRELIABLE AND ATROCIOUS US PROPAGANDA MACHINE THAT IS RADIO FREE ASIA.

It makes other countries look like failures: If China managed to contain the virus, why couldn't anyone else? It's all for Chinese soft-power and global reputation. I don't trust a lot of American sources, but I trust them more than official Chinese State Media.

The Chinese Media say on numerous occasions that:

"international society has been highly impressed by Chinese government's fast response and the unprecedented measures to contain the outbreak". ( https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/wuhan-turns-social-media-vent-anger-coronavirus-response-200203085324619.html ). This is proof enough that they believe by projecting a positive image of China's response, other countries will respect them.

As well as this, in Susan Blum's book "Lies that Bind: Chinese Truth, Other Truths", it is clear that the same cover-up was used during the 2002-2003 SARS outbreak, where "the government ordered Chinese journalists not to report on the outbreak" (p. 70). This is not the first time China has silenced reporting and social media activity to control it's lies about what the real damage could be.

There are some MAJOR changes since 2002-3 in the Chinese Governments way of controlling the narrative. According to King, Pan and Roberts (2017) they "estimate that the government fabricates and posts about 448 million social media comments a year. In contrast to prior claims, we show that the Chinese regime’s strategy is to avoid arguing with skeptics of the party and the government, and to not even discuss controversial issues. We show that the goal of this massive secretive operation is instead to distract the public and change the subject " (How the Chinese Government Fabricates Social Media Posts for Strategic Distraction, Not Engaged Argument).

TL;DR The Chinese are of course lying about their official statistics and deaths. This is not questionable and irrefutable. As well as this you CANNOT trust many accounts on r/Coronavirus or other sub-reddits or general internet forums, they are absolutely SWIMMING in Chinese propaganda pushers (and probably US propaganda as well). I have plenty more sources and academic journals to prove consistent state interference and lies during Chinese epidemic outbreaks. You cannot deny a trend. Don't trust states that are playing a game, especially those competing for the top-spot.

Normal death rate in a world is around 10 per 1000 per year. Hubei province has 60 mil people. That translates to roughly 50000 deaths per month (60m/1000*10deaths/12months = 50k)

So, during this 2 month of lockdown they've had 100k natural deaths.

Please, don't spread bullshit.

This is from Radio Free Asia, the US's propaganda arm of asia.

原来外国人真的没有脑子哦。

Makes sense when you look at Italy.

if china has lied about their numbers, there should we worldwide lawsuits against them. their actions triggered the death of thousands not chinese

Based on reports "in the social media"

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I will believe it was worse than China has said, but I am NOT going to accept an estimate from social media

What do the Chinese gain by under estimating the death toll.

So it now appears that those who saw the coronavirus as a limited threat early on were not given good data to rely upon. As I write this, China's official death count is 3,306.

So we're shitting all over China, for withholding information, whilst the Republican Governor of Alabama is ensuring that the number of people hospitalized with the virus there is kept on a need to know basis.

Posts all over this subreddit is [Removed] because apparently as people continue to get infected and die in America, we're not supposed to talk about it. Just focus on China?

And the $1,000,000,000,000 question is - if it was indeed 47,000 people dead, how many people were actually infected?

radio free asia, the source of the claim is a fucking cia propaganda organization. man u guys really are just a bunch of fucking sheep if u believe this shit

Serious question here. What does China have to gain by covering up the number of deaths? I understand why there questions whether China's government is to be trusted in general. But why on this issue? Why is everybody so convinced there is a cover up when the world already knows the seriousness of the disease and where it originated from?

People died from things other than COVID-19 in Wuhan over the last 2 months.

Wuhan put funerals on hold and cremated everyone who died. It's not crazy for 40,000+ people to die from other causes in a city that large over a two month span.

I don't believe China's reporting either but this is not evidence of anything.

Yes, it's true. I'm the ghost of wuhan. I'm talking to you in hell .

Please don't believe everything from China, the Chinese Numbers are fake, even the country is fake, if it makes you feel better or saves your face .

Please continue to believe that this is just the flu and do not wear a mask. lol

There’s definitely more than 2535 dead in Wuhan.

I would also not trust this report which cite Radio Free Asia which cite ‘Social media post’

btw, if everyone in Wuhan live to 100 yo, normally there would be 110K people die to natural causes each year.

Trying to fix their coverup that has fucked the world

nice of china to help (even if the US govt is paying a little for it)

This was commercial

AAAND where are they going from the airport? Can we hear about it when they are actually distributed to hospital workers?

Some solid reporting from Axios. Focus on facts and not politics.

The corporate owned media will just choose to ignore this gesture of goodwill, because "China bad".

Fuck the CCP

the US gave Remdesivir to China! If CCP gave them faulty N95s that wont be a match

sadly New york doesn't deserve half the equipment china generously donated. fucken racist shit hole

But trump wont drop the teriffs make us pay it instead!!

Fuckers

I am an American, born and raised. I appreciate what China has done during this pandemic, I for one believe they will be the heroes of this year. Thank you.

The guy managing this is a fucking logistics rock star.

Polowczyk is a qualified submarine supply officer, Surface Warfare Supply Corps officer and member of the Defense Acquisition Professional Community. His personal awards include the Defense Superior Service Medal, Legion of Merit (three awards), Meritorious Service Medal (four awards), Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal (four awards) and Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal (four awards).

https://www.jcs.mil/Leadership/Article-View/Article/1240764/rear-adm-john-polowczyk/

Majority of the PPE China is donating are faulty and do not meet international standards.

Holland just sent 600K back to china. Canada’s Trudeau just said they are about refuse a shipment. 600 million test kits Spain got are also 70% trash.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/netherlands-recalls-defective-masks-imported-china-200329141715106.html

Not a good look.

Just fuckin leave everyone be, all this asslicking and still backfires. Fucking sends over shit products to Italy with roman poetry on them begging for acceptance.

Holland just sent back all the masks they ordered because they were not compliant and did not meet the required standards. Basically fake market masks. The Beets by Mr. Dru of masks.

This is not China doing us a favor. They are partially returning/or reselling our shit back that Trump gave it to Chy-naa in February 2020. State department source: https://www.motherjones.com/coronavirus-updates/2020/03/the-us-sent-tons-of-medical-supplies-to-china-even-as-senators-warned-of-virus-threat-here/

https://www.state.gov/the-united-states-announces-assistance-to-combat-the-novel-coronavirus/

REMINDER: China cares more about the people of New York City than our own traitorous President.

And about 10% up on eBay already

Polowczyk has deep experience in military supply and logistics. But nothing could prepare him for the storm he has been thrown into.

"I was the vice director for logistics on the joint staff. I had nothing to do with Health and Human Services," Polowczyk said.

Polowczyk said that when he took over the role, "there was no organization" working the supply chain out of FEMA. HHS was in the lead. A senior administration added: "When the president activated FEMA, Adm. Polowczyk was immediately installed as the head of the supply chain, working closely with Jared Kushner at the White House."

Sounds like the "spooky deep state"'s about to save this administration's ass.

A plane from Shanghai arrived at JFK, Sunday morning carrying an extraordinary load: 12 million gloves, 130,000 N95 masks, 1.7 million surgical masks, 50,000 gowns, 130,000 hand sanitizer units, and 36,000 thermometers. 22 more flights in next 2 weeks.

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Lets not make this subreddit a home for Chinese propaganda.

These supplies were purchased, not donated.

Also lets hope they actually work.

NYT just posted...but no one is thanking China in the comments. Such sad country

Lots of faulty n95 masks from China too!

What a waste. All the whites are already scrambling to show all the aid from China as defective.

Which is why those in power constantly seek to suppress and destroy it.

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This. So many times I have used a false name registering for online services. If various services allow assumed names, then the Anon Internet can prevail. And using my assumed name, I was never banned from a service because of it. Only in some rare occasions was I asked to provide my real name, and have it backed up with a passport or utility bill, but those were usually related to high-risk financial arrangements, so I don't mind sacrificing my real identity with that.

If anonymity is a prerequisite doesn't it mean we don't have real freedom of expression anyway?

Zero is indeed a very special number, if only, because all other numbers are just structures in zero. You can clearly see that when you encode natural numbers as Von Neumann ordinals:

0 = { }, 1 = { { } }, 2= { { }, { { } } }, 3= { { }, { { } }, { { }, { { } } } }, ...

Hence, a number is just "structured nothing".

Now this set-theoretical take (ZF-inf) on numbers is fully bi-interpretable with standard number theory, i.e. Peano Arithmetic (PA), as bounded arithmetic (PA) and bounded set theory (ZF-inf) are mutually interpretable with interpretations that are inverse to each other.

Therefore, the true nature of natural numbers are structures in zero.

In that sense, zero is the only axiomatic number, i.e. the only number that is an original idea, while all other numbers are synthetically derived from zero.

Spectacular..

Very interesting, though a bit long....you presented a great overview of the significance of zero to understanding the universe, though I didn't manage to get through the whole article. Kudos!

Eili5

Thanks - that was actually informative.

lol much decentralized veri satoshi

You are talking protocol devs now aren't you? We don't want that in Bitcoin.

The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime.

Another excellent piece from BitMex Research. Maybe this will be useful reading for every conspiratorial lunatic that insist blockstream controls bitcoin. They don't have the technical literacy to read the git but they might be able to read this.

ty, very interesting. :)

Right and you’ll never hear about that in the media

Liquid network seems to allow borrowing bitcoins.

The number one reason for borrowing bitcoins is to dump a massive amount of these borrowed bitcoins all in one go, cause panic, and then buy them back at a cheaper price.

It looks like they intend to thoroughly industrialize their price-suppression strategy ...

Liquid is a really neat product but i was a bit pissed off when Adam was fear mongering lightning, while promoting liquid a while back.

IMHO it should stay focused on liquidity and arbitrage for exchanges and professional traders

Related news: the minimum transaction fee rate on Liquid dropped from 1 sat per vbyte to 0.1 sat!

https://twitter.com/Blockstream/status/1243207751809085446