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Wendysmanager24 29 mins ago

pRiCeD iN sPy 5/15 300c

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DjangoNinja 38 mins ago

ALWAYS bet on Donald to say dumb shit. Bears 4eva.

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RssnGopnik 39 mins ago

You’re 7 hours too late

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bullbearlovechild 34 mins ago

Broken news...

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minkusmart 15 hs ago

It could be Great Depression 2.0 but i wish it will not.

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pepperpepper47 15 hs ago

The middle class will be wiped out.

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damianlau 15 hs ago

I preferred to say 1929 instead of 2009

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hasad802 15 hs ago

We heading towards 1930s here.

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taelien 15 hs ago

Guys, neo depression era will be cool. We can just eat bread and hang out while not working 69 hour weeks.

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babydolleffie 15 hs ago

I'll bring some jam and jailhouse alcohol everything will be FINE

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NoDD-214 15 hs ago

We got the roaring 20s then fast forwarded straight to the great depression 😂

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taelien 15 hs ago

We both got downvoted for some reason

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NoDD-214 15 hs ago

Well I'll give you an upvote. People get so butthurt and offended on this sub lol.

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Mestewart3 15 hs ago

It fucking blows my mind that all the workers and all the buildings and all the actual physical goods can still be here, yet people are going to lose their homes and go hungry because rich assholes control so much of the imaginary representation of that wealth.

Seriously, if we had a competent and humane government the first step to a depression of the scale proposed here would be nationalizing all the banks, canceling all the debt, and seizing the assets of all the corporations.

There is more than enough food, and fuel, and consumable resources to put a two month pause on our economy. The only victims necessary are the pocket books of the rich.

Edit: my original comment is really emotional and aggressive so I want to outline my thoughts in a less combative/more productive way down here.

The basic issue is that recessions aren't caused by a failure in the wealth of the nation/planet. They are caused by the messy shifts in the money that represents this wealth. Our monetary system is a massively complicated beast that spans from physical dollars to investments in funds that purchase debts based on forecasts of their interest profits. Mismatches between the imaginary money and the physical wealth are what cause recessions.

If a recession like the one proposed in the article happens because the millions of individual actors whose value is made up largely of stocks and ownership of debt are acting in their own self interest. These actors are the people with the most to loose. In recessions they are often the ones who lose the least.

Nationalizing the economy at the expense of the banking class would shift the costs of this recession from the livelihoods of the common people to the excess of the wealthy. This is a vastly preferable outcome in my mind because nobody dies. The wealthy still have all their mansions, and sports cars, and yachts they will be fine. Meanwhile the people get to keep their jobs, homes, and health.

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Woodie626 15 hs ago

I tried to upvote you twice.

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Vincent_Blackshadow 15 hs ago

Stuffing the ballot box? Get him, boys!

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gatechthrowaway1873 15 hs ago

Which is why we need to end the quarantine and get back to work.

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NoDD-214 15 hs ago

You realize that that will likely lead to further spread, more deaths, and consequentially an even longer shutdown, right?

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gatechthrowaway1873 15 hs ago

> even longer shutdown, right? No need to shutdown, more infected = faster heard immunity which is unavoidable at this point.

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ElectionAssistance 15 hs ago

There is as of yet zero evidence for or against recovering from coronavirus granting immunity. It may be like trying to develop immunity to bullets. We don't know. Great plan. This is less good than your constitutional arguments.

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NoDD-214 15 hs ago

You're gonna get downvoted for this comment by everyone, but the issue is that you're actually right.

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ElectionAssistance 15 hs ago

It is very likely that there will be immunity, or at least resistance, but it certainly doesn't always work that way. There are viruses that we can get again and again and again. Hell there are some that reset the whole immune system so even things you were previously immune to you can now get again. Looking at you, measles. Things like this are [not encouraging either.](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/822407626/mystery-in-wuhan-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positive?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR3Ala1iYc9yK5c-fMLtKcD_DLLJ0T7UtDJKJw3ndaO4c_61HDt5kTHX7_k)

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NoDD-214 15 hs ago

Yeah, there was a case like that early on in Osaka.

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ElectionAssistance 15 hs ago

An early one with someone landing in Israel too. Was confirmed to be negative before getting on the plane, when he landed Israeli authorities tested him again, and positive.

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NoDD-214 15 hs ago

I'm a little less worried about stuff like that, the first test could have just been a false negative.

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ElectionAssistance 14 hs ago

It could have been for sure, but there is starting to be a trend of these false negatives if that is the case, and most recovering patients require multiple negative tests to declare them to be recovered. Multiple back to back false negatives? Seems less likely, I think nCoV is doing something odd. A reservoir of a different cell type perhaps where the virus replicates much slower to cause a second wave of infection? More data needed, like just about every other aspect right now.

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burns_CEO 15 hs ago

copied from /r/askscience. TLDR there is apparently immunity but no one knows how long for [https://www.boston.com/news/health/2020/03/25/can-you-become-immune-to-the-coronavirus](https://www.boston.com/news/health/2020/03/25/can-you-become-immune-to-the-coronavirus) By **Apoorva Mandavilli**, The New York Times Company March 25, 2020 As the number of people infected with the coronavirus surpasses 450,000 worldwide, and more than 1 billion are locked in their homes, scientists are wrestling with one of the most pressing questions of the pandemic: Do people who survive the infection become immune to the virus?The answer is a qualified yes, with some significant unknowns. That’s important for several reasons.People who are confirmed to be immune could venture from their homes and help shore up the workforce until a vaccine becomes available, for example. In particular, health care workers who are known to be immune could continue to care for the severely ill. Growing immunity in the community also is the way the epidemic ends: With fewer and fewer people to infect, the coronavirus will lose its toehold and even the most vulnerable citizens become more insulated from the threat. Immunity may also bring an early treatment. Antibodies gathered from the bodies of those who have recovered may be used to aid those struggling with the illness caused by the coronavirus, called COVID-19. On Tuesday, the Food and Drug Administration approved the use of plasma from recovered patients to treat some severe cases. A day earlier, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced that New York would become the first state to begin testing serum from people who have recovered from COVID-19 to treat those who are seriously ill. “It’s a trial for people who are in serious condition, but the New York State Department of Health has been working on this with some of New York’s best health care agencies, and we think it shows promise,” Cuomo said. The body’s first line of defense against an infectious virus is an antibody called immunoglobulin M, whose job is to stay vigilant in the body and alert the rest of the immune system to intruders like viruses and bacteria. Days into an infection, the immune system refines this antibody into a second type, called immunoglobulin G, exquisitely designed to recognize and neutralize a specific virus. The refinement may take as long as a week; both the process and the potency of the final antibodies can vary. Some people make powerful neutralizing antibodies to an infection, while others mount a milder response. The antibodies generated in response to infection with some viruses — polio or measles, for example — bestow a lifetime of immunity. But antibodies to the coronaviruses that cause the common cold persist for just one to three years — and that may be true of their new cousin as well. A study in macaques infected with the new coronavirus suggested that once infected, the monkeys produce neutralizing antibodies and resist further infection. But it is unclear how long the monkeys, or people infected with the virus, will remain immune. Most people who became infected during the SARS epidemic — that virus is a close cousin of the new coronavirus, called SARS-CoV-2 — had long-term immunity lasting eight to 10 years, said Vineet D. Menachery, a virologist at the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston. Those who recovered from MERS, another coronavirus, saw much shorter-term protection, Menachery said. People who have been infected with the new coronavirus may have immunity lasting at least one to two years, he added: “Beyond that, we can’t predict.” Still, even if antibody protection were short-lasting and people became reinfected, the second bout with the coronavirus would likely be much milder than the first, said Florian Krammer, a microbiologist at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York. Even after the body stops producing neutralizing antibodies, a subset of immune memory cells can reactivate a response effectively, he noted. “You probably would make a good immune response before you even become symptomatic again and might really blunt the course of the disease,” Krammer said. A crucial question is whether children and adults who have only mild symptoms still generate a strong enough response to remain immune to the virus until a vaccine is available. Dr. Marion Koopmans, a virologist at Erasmus University in Rotterdam, and her team have screened antibody responses in 15 infected patients and health care workers. The researchers are also using banked blood samples from about 100 people who were known to be infected with one of four coronaviruses known to cause the common cold. If those samples show some immune response to the new coronavirus, too, Koopmans said, it might explain why some people — children, for example — have only mild symptoms. They may have antibodies to related coronaviruses that are at last somewhat effective against the new one.

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NoDD-214 15 hs ago

More infected = fully overwhelming our already severely stressed healthcare system and causing avoidable deaths (not just of corona patients either).

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Giles-TheLibrarian 15 hs ago

Umm... yeah no. We need a bigger shutdown to stop this.

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gatechthrowaway1873 15 hs ago

And go into a deep depression?

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Giles-TheLibrarian 15 hs ago

Whats the point if you’re dead?

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gatechthrowaway1873 15 hs ago

1% death rate. A depression would kill way more.

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Giles-TheLibrarian 15 hs ago

First of all, that is not the death rate. Second, you can’t get an accurate death rate until the pandemic is over. Sars had a 3% death rate in the beginning then it got changed to 10% after it was over. And thats not counting the majority of the people who never truly recovered from the lung damage in SARS. We don’t know the effects of this virus long term. You want to open things back up, you push hospitals to their breaking points. That will kill way way more people. I’d rather be alive but broke for a few years than dead but rich.

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gatechthrowaway1873 15 hs ago

Death rate of those infected (including asymptomatic) It is called IFR not CFR if you want to do further research.

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zefronkimmle 15 hs ago

Yes master, the all might dollar is more important then my life or my family's safety.

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gatechthrowaway1873 15 hs ago

If you had it your way, 1 billion people would starve in a global famine . Economic policy will save lives

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Moetoefoeka 15 hs ago

lol

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Shnoochieboochies 15 hs ago

It's a throwaway, just ignore the cowards, stay safe

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Shnoochieboochies 15 hs ago

A bullet is no bigger than a finger nail, I fear those as well

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gatechthrowaway1873 15 hs ago

My bullets are way bigger than a finger nail. 50 cal bullet weighs several pounds.

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EmoEnforcer 16 hs ago

Hey all, I was like 11 years old in 2009. Can someone tell me what the 2009 recession was?

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coversongx 15 hs ago

The 2008 financial crisis was the worst recession since the Great Depression. Basically a bunch of banks were lending out money to people who had no business getting loans, then selling them as securities. This caused housing prices to go up, propping up economic spending and people buying houses. Once these people started defaulting on the loans, the banks basically couldn't pay for anything and went bankrupt, causing the whole banking system to fail. Housing prices dropped so spending dropped, causing the Great Recession. It took 3 years to recover GDP, 4 years to recover household net worth, and 7 years to recover unemployment. Similar to this, quarantining is causing spending to drop. Businesses are shut down, manufacturers are shut down. With less money spent, more people lose jobs, which means less money spent. While this will cause a recession, luckily the government learned a lot on how to manage a huge crisis so hopefully this won't be as bad.

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NoDD-214 15 hs ago

It was a fucking pain in the ass even for my 16 year old self. I remember I was worried my parents were going to lose the house and so were they. Whole lot of cutbacks and penny pinching. Hopefully this time isn't worse, if it is I'll have to re-enlist.....that would suck lol.

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EmoEnforcer 15 hs ago

Boy ive got some news for you then [may not have to re enlist](https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fqftat/trump_issues_order_to_bring_former_troops_back_to/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)

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NoDD-214 15 hs ago

I ain't even worried about getting activated, I've still got two years left on a six year active duty contract. Some of my boys are about to get fucked hard though! Lol, stupid fuckers really thought the military wasn't gonna screw them one last time.😆

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EmoEnforcer 15 hs ago

For real though lmao

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1incongruity 15 hs ago

Shit was fucked then but you know it was a regular old recession. No jobs, mass layoffs , people out of business etc etc but most survived one way or another. Now its about to hit the fan. Because you have added a potentially life threatening pandemic and mass lockdowns in the mix.

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SirLunchmeat 15 hs ago

The whole model is failing in spectacular fashion

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Shnoochieboochies 15 hs ago

Watch "The Big Short" if you are in isolation for a complete guide. It was actually 2008, governments and banks handing out loans, credit and mortgages to anyone with a thumb, majority of people couldn't pay these loans back, government's and banks still handing money out like it has no consequence. When no-one paid the money back, recession ensued.

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GTRV95 15 hs ago

Margin Call, too. Both are good for learning about CDOs/CDSs/subprime market.

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tr_24 15 hs ago

Margin call doesn't really explain the whole issue.

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GTRV95 14 hs ago

Allows you to see the people who caused the mass selling to start, not the people that shorted it. But I agree with you

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n_attila 15 hs ago

It was a small recession, nothing compared to what's about to come. The director of the IMF is playing captain obvious. To restart the economy after this will be something like restarting the economy after a big war, with the difference that you don't have to rebuild the infrastructure this time.

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Cachecash 15 hs ago

Lots of foreclosures

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DrunkCanadianGuy 15 hs ago

A recession, in 2009.

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EmoEnforcer 15 hs ago

I see. Thank you, kind scholar.

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poopiehands 15 hs ago

Flea bite compared to the bullet hole we're about to endure

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EmoEnforcer 15 hs ago

I mean yeah, considering the whole planet is shutting down.

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HbRipper 16 hs ago

We chose economy over health, we will have neither

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Amitius 15 hs ago

We can rebuild everything as long as we are still alive and healthy . Even if the death rate for the young people is low , many covid infected people would need years to be fully recover, that is alot manpower wasted away that can be used to recover the country economy from this pandemic .

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MrUnknownorNobody 15 hs ago

Where did you get this fucking information that people need YEARS to fully recover from a coronavirus infection?

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Amitius 14 hs ago

from FICM , you may need up to 15 years to recover from COVID 19 . the virus is not just some flu.

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z57 14 hs ago

There are several reports of [breathing challenges ](https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-recovery-damage-lung-function-gasping-air-hong-kong-doctors-2020-3?r=US&IR=T) once released from hospital. Also [SARS](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41413-020-0084-5#Sec3) a close “cousin” has [reports](https://thorax.bmj.com/content/60/5/361) of people taking 6 months to 2 years to recover.

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Bobby3127 16 hs ago

The US already threw what.. 8 trillion dollars at staving off a further decline in the stock market now.

And we’re probably still in the 3rd inning...

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watupboy101 15 hs ago

6!

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cough_landing_on_you 16 hs ago

3rd inning of the first wave.

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LdarThenDeath 16 hs ago

Just wait until the suicides and crime start . I wonder , which will people be scared of more ?

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watupboy101 15 hs ago

Trump said the suicides and crime are worse than the invisible enemy he has declared war on so..

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spicy_red_buffalo 15 hs ago

So downplaying again?

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Beamsters 15 hs ago

No, suicides and crimes are 100% worse than the virus that you can just stay home and survive.

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z57 16 hs ago

Going to be a full blown depression.

Edit: a word

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pendejosblancos 46 mins ago

And yet very weak, very submissive, and very obedient stupid people still support him. All current trumpsupporters are dog shit and they need to understand that the world thinks they have zero value.

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Jonamalis 1 h ago

- Barbot on Feb. 2nd: "There is no reason not to take the subway, not to take the bus, not to go out to your favorite restaurant, and certainly not to miss the parade next Sunday.” (via FNC) "As we gear up to celebrate the #LunarNewYear in NYC, I want to assure New Yorkers that there is no reason for anyone to change their holiday plans, avoid the subway, or certain parts of the city because of #coronavirus."

- NYC “Health Commissioner” Oxiris Barbot on Feb. 7th: “We’re telling New Yorkers, go about your lives, take the subway, go out, enjoy life”

Mass media:

When Americans began practicing “social distancing,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) accused them of racism.

“Honestly, it sounds almost so silly to say, but there’s a lot of restaurants that are feeling the pain of racism, where people are literally not patroning [sic] Chinese restaurants, they’re not patroning [sic] Asian restaurants because of just straight up racism around the Coronavirus,” she said on Instagram Live.

Her Democratic colleague, Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) likewise accused Americans of being “racist” for practicing what are now widely accepted as the best practices to prevent Coronavirus’ spread.

You know, since the beginning of the COVID-19 outbreak, we’ve seen not only the spreading of the virus but also a rapid spreading of racism and xenophobia,” the lawmaker said during a congressional oversight hearing. “We have witnessed it at the highest levels and, in fact, the Republican Party fanning, irresponsibly, these flames. One colleague tweeted that, ‘Everything you need to know about the Chinese Coronavirus.’ My district is home to nearly 32 percent foreign-born residents, with more than a quarter immigrating from Asia. This painful rhetoric has consequences. Restaurants across Boston’s Chinatown have seen up to an 80% drop in business. And I believe this has everything to do with the rapid spread of misinformation and paranoia.”

De Blasio on March 10th: “We want to encourage” NYers going out. "If you’re under 50 & you’re healthy, which is most NYers, there’s very little threat here. This disease, even if you were to get it, basically acts like a common cold or flu. And transmission is not that easy."

Yep supporters of democrats are mentality ill or low IQ imbeciles, they dont remember what they were saying just two weaks ago.

MASS MEDIA and so called DNC WITH PROGRESSIVE are responsible for COVID19 spread in US, they lied three months and did nothing, because "false flagging" is more important then fighting with real problems, Diversity IDEOLOGY is more IMPORTANT that SO SHIT like COVID19 and PEOPLE LIVES. GG

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captsurfdawg 2 hs ago

Let's guess, asleep at the wheel, boat crashes on the rocks, all hands lost ?

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Pahhur 2 hs ago

I swear he is trying to make this into a him or us scenario. Every move he makes has made this pandemic worse. Fuck if he had actually done his job or even done nothing we might not even have a pandemic. But no, he closed the offices built to handle this, and lied and moved people around and denied life saving medical supplies. I'm beginning to think there is weight to the conspiracy theory that he is looking to declare a national emergency, shut down elections and attempt to finally become a full dictator.

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killthenerds 3 hs ago

[Trump] said: “Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment – try getting it yourselves.”

Wow. Definitely a must read article.

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mindbleach 4 hs ago

This was the rare case where closing the borders and leaning on American manufacturing would have made total sense, and he couldn't even play his one note right.

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WTFOMGBBQ 4 hs ago

What a loser...

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DogSoldier67 4 hs ago

"When the definitive history of the coronavirus pandemic is written, the date 20 January 2020 is certain to feature prominently. It was on that day that a 35-year-old man in Washington state, recently returned from visiting family in Wuhan in China, became the first person in the US to be diagnosed with the virus.

On the very same day, 5,000 miles away in Asia, the first confirmed case of Covid-19 was reported in South Korea. The confluence was striking, but there the similarities ended.

In the two months since that fateful day, the responses to coronavirus displayed by the US and South Korea have been polar opposites.

One country acted swiftly and aggressively to detect and isolate the virus, and by doing so has largely contained the crisis. The other country dithered and procrastinated, became mired in chaos and confusion, was distracted by the individual whims of its leader, and is now confronted by a health emergency of daunting proportions.

Within a week of its first confirmed case, South Korea’s disease control agency had summoned 20 private companies to the medical equivalent of a war-planning summit and told them to develop a test for the virus at lightning speed. A week after that, the first diagnostic test was approved and went into battle, identifying infected individuals who could then be quarantined to halt the advance of the disease.

Some 357,896 tests later, the country has more or less won the coronavirus war. On Friday only 91 new cases were reported in a country of more than 50 million.

The US response tells a different story. Two days after the first diagnosis in Washington state, Donald Trump went on air on CNBC and bragged: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

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Xerebrus 5 hs ago

Unfortunately this is what happens when a spoiled rich boy who is a failure at everything he has ever done (with the exception of conning people) becomes in charge of something important. With that said, I hope everything works out for the USA and that you recover quickly and your people are ok. Good luck.

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nopulsehere 5 hs ago

Biggest test of his life? Guy has two failed marriages, a kid born out of wedlock with the woman he cheated on his first wife with. Six bankruptcies and countless failed businesses. Has the vocabulary of a first grader. Trump couldn’t pass a open book test even if the answers were highlighted.

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kelseykarnival 5 hs ago

He. Doesn’t. Give. A. Fuck. And clearly the majority of Americans don’t either! He will win by a landslide in nov now that he’s mobilized all of the crazy white supremacists and the like... and gave them the perfect platform. I’m seriously scared for our lives. Everyone.

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pipefighter1 5 hs ago

I sincerely hope everyone that voted for Donald will remember just how badly he responded to this crisis. Don’t nominate him again, I know you have someone that is not as sad as him. Remember , you’re the party that gave us Richard Millhouse Nixon.

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bad_interpreter 5 hs ago

He didn’t fail. He now has control over a $500B unsupervised slush fund. It’s a win for Trump, the public be damned.

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Samurai_gaijin :flag-mi: Michigan 5 hs ago

Missing like hell, the clown was on tv saying it was all bullshit as it was spreading, fuck trump.

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lzwzli 5 hs ago

It's only a test of Trump if he took the job of POTUS seriously, of which he does not.

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MenuBar 5 hs ago

I hope he gets corona. But keep him alive as long as possible. I can't wait to see what his last tweet will be.
"I'm in the most perfect health. More than anybody in fact. Blood and mucous are perfectly natural. I'm going to stop breathing now just to show how superior I am at holding my breath. Let's see Hillary Clinton do thi...."

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canuckoo 5 hs ago

How can any American read this article and still approve of him? It’s not “fake news”. The article is literally full of factual timelines and events and quotes from actual experts. It isn’t an opinion piece. Is there some kind of cult around him at this point? Like a conspiracy theorist cult?

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galtthedestroyer 6 hs ago

It had nothing to do with Trump. Due to past success with being much more cautious than Europe a law was put into place decades ago to make sure that we are extra cautious about medical things. Their hands were tied by this law.

https://youtu.be/gbDnUrVvkRU

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Stem357 6 hs ago

I hope you all realise that a president doesn't actually make the decisions , they're the figure head of the government, congress is who makes the decisions. We've had one of the same members in Congress for almost 60 years (that's 1960) and you can serve indefinitely. So is the problem really with who the next president is gonna be, or is it that most of congress has been in office for decades and we're to busy squabbling about who is president to take the people out of power who have been making these decisions for you since 1980

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LetGoPortAnchor 6 hs ago

Did he ever not fail a test? He even won the election without wanting to!

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NouXouS 6 hs ago

What made anyone think he would be a good president? None of this should be a surprise.

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GreatNorthWeb 6 hs ago

...and yet record high approval rating. hm.

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Pierre Rochard - @pierre_rochard

RT @BitMEXResearch: Who funds Bitcoin development? We analyse the main organisations funding open source Bitcoin and Lightning development. The situation is more healthy than it has been in the past, with a higher degree of distribution among financial backers https://t.co/yaPzuzAjAj https://t.co/NBRvodyM6K

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nic carter - @nic__carter

If someone ever tells you that bitcoin needs a protocol-financed slush fund, or that developer financing is a “tragedy of the commons”, send them this https://t.co/YKwQDBwiWO

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Christopher Wheeler - @Stocktrader

Who funds Bitcoin development? | BitMEX Blog - BitMEX https://t.co/dhHW2J8TdB

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Leigh Cuen - @La__Cuen

RT @JeremyRubin: Swell article on core dev funding! Under funded development is one of the biggest 'non balance sheet' liabilities for Bitcoin companies and hodlrs. Hopefully this article inspires more companies to take responsibility and fund more development :) https://t.co/E3LMJBuI11

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Jeremy Rubin - @JeremyRubin

Swell article on core dev funding! Under funded development is one of the biggest 'non balance sheet' liabilities for Bitcoin companies and hodlrs. Hopefully this article inspires more companies to take responsibility and fund more development :) https://t.co/E3LMJBuI11

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Dennis Parker⚡️ - @Xentagz

RT @BitMEXResearch: Who funds Bitcoin development? We analyse the main organisations funding open source Bitcoin and Lightning development. The situation is more healthy than it has been in the past, with a higher degree of distribution among financial backers https://t.co/yaPzuzAjAj https://t.co/NBRvodyM6K

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Samson Mow - @Excellion

Blockstream is the OG of funding #Bitcoin development. Things are good now, but try to imagine the environment back then - very hard as a dev to get a job or funding. I also saw BTCC on the list too which is nice. Credit for BTCC contributing goes to me though. 😄 https://t.co/lr9x4Z5mse

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John Pfeffer - @jlppfeffer

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ghazzie 25 mins ago

Posse Comitatus anyone?

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brandnew_bitch 44 mins ago

😂

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jhgroton 2 hs ago

At least the ACLU has called her out already for this stupid plan: http://www.riaclu.org/news/post/aclu-statement-on-governors-plans-to-give-state-police-power-to-stop-cars-w

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DS617 East Providence 2 hs ago

So now our national guard, police, and state police have all been exposed to potential carriers.............. RIP

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hms_bollocks 3 hs ago

Finally! NY anf NJ need to be completely shut off until this pandemic passes.

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ass_account 3 hs ago

As a New Yorker, I will think twice about spending my money in Rhode Island over this. You can't suspend the constitution just because it feels like you're doing something. This wont stop any coronavirus cases in Rhode Island, it's just an authoritarian power flex.

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2young2young 59 mins ago

Aaaaaand stay out.

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LongitudinalSpam 1 h ago

It's just telling people to quarantine for a couple weeks, which if you're a responsible adult, you should be doing anyway. The constitution is not a suicide pact.

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heyyyinternet 1 h ago

Oh no we're crushed.

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VS_portal 1 h ago

But if rich NYers stop buying up our seaside property and inflating the prices to sit unoccupied for 3/4 of the year, then *we* might be able to live in our seaside communities, and then our cars would rust faster! Is it weird i picture the person issuing this "threat" as the monopoly man? Its a global pandemic, i think they can chill in their home for 14 days without suffering any lasting trauma. Im doing it, and my house sucks.

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heyyyinternet 1 h ago

Lol. They thought we'd be like "omg no we need you."

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VS_portal 1 h ago

It just wouldnt feel like home if i didnt have some random security guard kicking me off "their" beach. I think id rather be poor and surfcasting than begging for pennies from people so self centered that they are offended we ask them to quarantine when coming from the national epicenter of the global pandemic...

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heyyyinternet 1 h ago

Exactly. They don't give a fuck about our coastal communities.

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VS_portal 1 h ago

Not until they need a bug out shelter. Its not like we are denying them access, we just dont want to be Italy Jr. Well, at least not in the contemporary sense haha.

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VS_portal 2 hs ago

So we get our beaches and bars back through summer?

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deaddit64 3 hs ago

This is definitely concerning.

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PravdaPaul 4 hs ago

Next week, people and businesses with residential rental properties in Rhode Island will get a formal notice from the state about quarantine rules: "The State of Rhode Island is instructing you to inform all property guests, renters, invitees, and occupants arriving in Rhode Island (e.g. those persons staying in hotels, vacation properties, short-term rentals, Airbnb’s, so-called, or other online rentals) of these requirements ... We also ask for your cooperation in ensuring that such persons report any applicable self-quarantines to the Rhode Island Department of Health ...

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nientedioriginale 4 hs ago

If this is a reminder of 1930s Germany then it's time to take a breather .

That's hyperbolic

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rigel434 3 hs ago

You support national guard and law enforcement going door to door looking for people? Statist asshole

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Brother_tempus Vote for Nobody 4 hs ago

Dems be Dems

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Striking_Currency 5 hs ago

The good news is that the national guard members who are going door to door are likely to be infected should NY residents be a legitimate risk and if there's a type of person I'm okay with getting the coronavirus, it's the people who'd comply with orders to do gestapo-esque door to door checks.

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Mist_Rising NAP doesn't apply to sold stolen goods 5 hs ago

Nat Guard is likely to be wearing special suits for the job.

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rigel434 5 hs ago

I say just don’t answer the door or their questions. Film them too

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DynaBro33 5 hs ago

Holy shit. Probable cause schmobible cause.

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rigel434 5 hs ago

Jews were also seen as a “threat”

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HelloJoeyJoeJoe 1 h ago

Yes, sadly still by the right-wing in 2020

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dzkrf 5 hs ago

It's CNN. They created the genre of FUD porn

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puddinbattle 5 hs ago

I think the main problem is it will do more as a “big brother play” than it will to stop there spread of disease, intentional or not.

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Spider939 25U 5 hs ago

Boogaloo: Origins

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Spokker 6 hs ago

Rhode Island ain't fucking around lol

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WiceMan 6 hs ago

I think we all understand why no one wants to be in NY right now. However seeking refuge in RI of all states and coming from NY atm is risky. There's no way to know for sure you aren't coming here asymptomatic and unknowingly spreading in a state that lack the resources.

I also want to mention other states are doing the same as us so acting like it's only RI being taking precautions.

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Redstalin88 6 hs ago

More like overstepping their powers this is not the 1940s you cant go door to door.

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mightynifty_2 1 h ago

I mean, if the mormons, girl scouts, and trick or treaters can go door to door I think the police can as well. Not like they're doing anything any other person couldn't do.

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Redstalin88 55 mins ago

Trick or treaters and girl scouts are not going around telling people what to do.God this state is filled with morons with no common sense.

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mightynifty_2 43 mins ago

I mean, trick or treaters literally show up and tell you what to do, but that's beside the point. You still haven't said what rights are being violated by having cops ring doorbells and inform people of the quarantine. They're literally *asking* for contact info, likely to keep those they visit informed on the situation.

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Heartkine 6 hs ago

Oh, please. By Memorial Day, Rhode Island’s population doubles. As a state we are not prepared for this influx of Coronavirus patients. Yes there have been mistakes by our government, but RI is not preventing people from coming. And they are coming, just look at the grocery parking lots. The state is just simply getting information so when ultimately there is a severe outbreak of virus it can possibly be contained.

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bonfire_bug 7 hs ago

It’s interesting to see the differences between her and Baker. And especially seeing the comments from the locals on how each is leading. One isn’t doing enough and someone is going overboard seems to be the general consensus.

Basically, no ones going to be happy about the solutions. Suck it up and stay home everyone, let’s ride this out as smoothly as possible.

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LongitudinalSpam 1 h ago

Yeah, the Mass subreddit is so different. Then again, maybe we'll look the same in a couple weeks.

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brandnew_bitch 7 hs ago

And now I’ll leave this disgusting group of humans. Good luck.

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ravenscroft12 1 h ago

Wait, who? RI-ers in general? People on this sub-reddit? You cant’t leave us hanging!

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puddinbattle 7 hs ago

Rhode Island was still permitting elective surgeries until Friday. Preventing people from congregating in a hospital for unnecessary reasons seems like a much more effective prevention tactic than pulling them over and unenforceably telling them to self quarantine. The car stopping infringes rights, which is fine bc we’ve been ok with permitting right infringement for 20 years now (this is by far one of the more benign policies) but more importantly, it will probably have no impact in slowing disease spread.

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BlinkerBeforeBrake East Greenwich 5 hs ago

"Elective" doesn't mean "unnecessary" - it just means the surgery is able to be scheduled and prepared for, and doesn't need to happen immediately. I had an 8 lb tumor removed in December that was pushing against my diaphragm and making breathing difficult. It was classified as elective because my doctors would have enough time to prep in advance.. Given, they put me on the books ASAP considering the circumstances. In hindsight, I'm very thankful all of that transpired before this madness.

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puddinbattle 5 hs ago

Fine. They were doing unnecessary surgeries. If your mother wants to go into a dirty hospital for surgery this week, go ahead. But definitely don’t drive across a state border, bc apparently the state believes that’s a greater risk for spreading disease.

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PettiCasey 6 hs ago

My mother’s hip replacement was considered elective. I can assure you it was necessary. That term is fairly broad.

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jflbball 7 hs ago

False. The amount of headlines this has generated is enough for New Yorkers to know they are unwelcome and discouraged from traveling to RI. THAT'S the point of this.

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2young2young 55 mins ago

Just like the headlines are preventing people from going outside and gathering in large groups /s You're forgetting a very important factor here: the human condition. Every person on the planet right now is operating under a 'rules for thee not for me' personal policy. The introverts just happen to be a clock right twice a day.

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puddinbattle 5 hs ago

I agree the headlines might help. Hopefully they have stronger tactics planned than discouraging interstate travel via headlines. What happens a when the entire police force draws down the limited mask supply making these traffic stops, gets sick, the union demands hazard pay, state gets bankrupted a little more quickly.

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ConservativeToilet 7 hs ago

This so blatantly unconstitutional, I can’t wait to see it smacked down.

States cannot impede interstate commerce.

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heyyyinternet 1 h ago

Lol the conservatives took their heads out of Trump's ass for a split second to talk about the "evil big government restricting people's movements". Lol.

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DS617 East Providence 2 hs ago

I mean we've been putting brown people in cages and letting them die, think you might have missed some stuff over the last few years bruh

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jflbball 7 hs ago

Knocking on someone's door to remind them to quarantine is unconstitutional? In what sense? This is actually trying to preserve life, liberty, and the pursuit. Do you tell your Amazon driver it's unconstitutional to put a package on your front steps?

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trabblepvd 5 hs ago

Yes, intimidating people at the border, then showing up at the homes (good by castle doctrine) asking for their papers is wholly unconstitutional. It goes against the commerce clause, Privileges and Immunities Clause, the 14th Amendment, and possibly the 4th amendment as an illegal taking when they prevent them use of their property.

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OzMan63 6 hs ago

Pulling over drivers with New York license plates and searching for people from New York in Rhode Island via knocking on doors and asking violates prohibitions against searching individuals without suspicion.

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Appraisethelord1 4 hs ago

Isn’t people coming from a place of a known outbreak enough to warrant suspicion. I mean to contain a virus you need to go into some kind of lockdown. The country is just doing it step by step for some reason

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UltravioletClearance 4 hs ago

A cop can do all the door knocking and questioning he or she wants. There's *nothing* illegal about asking questions. In the same sense, a homeowner has the right to refuse to answer questions, and doesn't even have to answer the door for police without a warrant or other court order. Currently, these rights are being respected under this policy. As for pulling over vehicles... RI evoked its state of emergency powers to issue these mandatory shelter in place orders for NY residents. Refusal to self quarantine is violating an emergency order and a criminal offense. A police officer witnessing a vehicle with NY license plates can reasonably assume the driver of the vehicle is an NY resident. Since probable cause is not absolute cause, there is probable cause to conduct a stop because there is reasonable suspicion of a crime, principally violating the state of emergency order. You can come up with all the "what about..." scenarios you want, but they are in the very small minority.

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lovegiblet 7 hs ago

It’s the cops stopping the cars that’s unconstitutional. A license plate is not probable cause.

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puddinbattle 7 hs ago

The state government does not tell the Amazon driver not to put a package on my front steps.

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jflbball 7 hs ago

So how about the mailman asking for your signature? You guys are so ultra-technical you miss the forest from the trees. There is no big-brother play here you idiots! They are literally trying to contain a fucking virus that's been raging in NYC and we don't want it to rage here! STFU and wake up you morons!! Bravo on your technical brilliance. It will save you when you're in the ER.

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m012892 8 hs ago

Don’t bury the lede...who is crossing state lines to adopt a dog right now? Especially from NY.

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Trollz4fun 27 mins ago

Donning and Doffing!

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OneHungMan 1 h ago

Cant find masks anywhere

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kayori1928 1 h ago

I take the bus to work (finance job) and have been trying to find some, but the quickest they can be shipped is in May

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buckie_mcBuckster 1 h ago

If they tell everyone to wear a mask to be safe ....but there is nowhere near enough masks we have a worse problem.

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Hazen222 1 h ago

This might be an article about Americans... but I’m prettttttty sure it applies to everyone.

The whole media narrative about masks not helping has been fucking retarded bunk based on a few “experts” that wanted to zig when all of Asia zagged.

99% of people walking around South Korea can be seen wearing a mask and they have probably handled the virus the best and have the best information available coming out of their country that isn’t blatant lies or propaganda.

People in SK were wearing masks long before this pandemic. Maybe not 99% of people like they are now, but a large portion of a population. Walking around in any Asian airport you can see people wearing masks. There’s a reason for it and our local western “experts” were dead wrong. Well... actually other people are dead... they are just wrong.

I guess our “experts” have murdered thousands of people by their stupid “masks don’t help” message.

Key paragraph: “When researchers conducted systematic review of a variety of interventions used during the SARS outbreak in 2003, they found that washing hands more than 10 times daily was 55 percent effective in stopping virus transmission, while wearing a mask was actually more effective — at about 68 percent. Wearing gloves offered about the same amount of protection as frequent hand-washing, and combining all measures — hand-washing, masks, gloves and a protective gown — increased the intervention effectiveness to 91 percent.”

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idspispopd 1 h ago

>This might be an article about Americans... but I’m prettttttty sure it applies to everyone. Definitely applies to everyone. For things like this you can change the headline to make it about Alberta if you want.

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Hazen222 1 h ago

Thanks.

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berniegfn60 3 hs ago

During an epidemic one should wear a mask.

it's not rocket science.

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ThereOnceWasADonkey 3 hs ago

No. You are missing the point. The mask isn't to protect you. It's to protect people from you when you're infected and don't know it.

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redlollipop 3 hs ago

Why can't it be both though? Doesn't that make sense?

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ThereOnceWasADonkey 2 hs ago

It can be, but it's not. Normal people wearing masks don't protect themselves by doing it. They do protect others, because how you use it doesn't matter as much for that purpose.

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border_humper 4 hs ago

Etsy for hand-sewn cotton ones. Or wear a bandana.

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Praxiscat 5 hs ago

I am just not leaving my house. That seems to work best. I am going to be a shut in forever.

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costpermille 5 hs ago

The CDC's advice was suspect from the beginning: "don't wear masks, they don't help. Healthcare providers need the masks to protect them from the disease."

The Walking Dead's CDC was more effective than the one in reality, and the Walking Dead's CDC consisted of one lone survivor who ended up incinerating the CDC building along with him inside it.

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GJJP 5 hs ago

Where to buy masks? They have been out of stocks for weeks.

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bigmikeylikes 5 hs ago

Too bad you can't get any

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ANGELIVXXX 4 hs ago

DIY Masks work. The Czech Republic uses them. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EWpWmyjzM4sNBF-7jp_1Y9a-pqiRg0wakGXy7kj11RA/preview

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psilokan 5 hs ago

My GF and I went out yesterday to pick up perscriptions and a few misc supplies that we needed from the drugstore (was a good opportunity to grab more eggs and milk, etc). We wore surgical (not n95) masks and gloves.

The store ended up having way more people than anticipated and only one other person had a mask. Most notably everyone was giving us the stink eye and staying far back from us like we were diseased (we both feel fine) so it at least did have a benefit of keeping people out of our 2m bubble.

I don't care what they think. We bought some early on back when they were first locking down Wuhan and no one thought it would be a thing here. I have some n95s stored away for when things get really bad but so far things are not too bad here in Canada. I just wish I bought more to distribute to more of my family and friends.

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songaboutadog 5 hs ago

Wearing a bandana would at the least help stop you from spitting large droplets on to surfaces.

Before I stopped interacting totally with public spaces, I also carried a spray bottle filled with alcohol. I'd use it to clean gas pumps and stuff.

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Memetic1 2 hs ago

Exactly I do worry for people of color however. That might be misconstrued in certain contexts. I really really hate this virus. It seems to make so much even worse.

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ass_dimples 6 hs ago

Along these lines I hear wearing a plunger on your head will prevent the Corona virus. I know this is true because I saw it on Facebook

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ksanthra 6 hs ago

It's kinda bizarre to me as I've lived in China for years and there's no real debate about how useful masks are because it's well-known that it's not just about the person wearing the mask. People with colds often wear them to stop themselves spreading it to others.

If I'm on the subway and someone is sneezing I want that person to be wearing a mask to stop the aerosols filling up the subway car in seconds. It's much more worthwhile having that person wearing a mask and stopping most of the problem on the spot than everyone else wearing a mask to protect themselves.

The main point of surgical masks isn't to protect the doctor but to protect the patient. When germ theory became accepted science surgeons started washing their hands and eventually wore masks and post-surgery deaths dropped significantly.

Nowadays no one would be seen outside without a mask on in China because of the social shaming. People don't see it as a way of protecting themselves as much as anyone not wearing a mask is a threat to others. I can't go into a supermarket or 7-11 without a mask on. It's also a symbol that you give a fuck about the society you're in and that you care about doing the right thing for yourself and others as well.

I know it's easy to say because there just aren't enough masks but I don't know why people have the concept of masks so arse-backwards.

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4saken4ever 3 hs ago

Because we think of ourselves first and others last, sadly. So the value of something is calculated on that assumption. When I wore my mask out a guy yelled “you’re gonna die anyway!” at me, to mock me for trying to protect myself - nobody ever thinks that maybe I’m protecting others _from_ myself and if _they did the same_, maybe we’d all be a little safer. It’s so sad but that’s America now.

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Memetic1 3 hs ago

I think we need to make it part of every day fashion long term. It's the only way I see pandemics not ravaging humanity for a while.

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SkidRowTrash 6 hs ago

It's too late, MSM and government have already lied to the people about masks being useless and to not wear them. Now the people you brainwashed furiously defend your fake news / lies. People should sue the fuck out of MSM and governments that spread these lies because people are going to die because of them.

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border_humper 5 hs ago

It is disgusting to think lies lead to greater, faster spread. Had we had honesty in the beginning, we could have ample hand-sewn masks to share with everyone now.

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SkidRowTrash 5 hs ago

Yeah it sucks.

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kabloink :flag-tx: Texas 6 hs ago

If people have masks left over from a project at home, they might as well use them. Hospitals are not accepting used dust covered N95 masks.

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4saken4ever 6 hs ago

Yeah I wore my homemade mask on a neighborhood walk and got mocked/shouted at by passers-by. It made me a bit scared to wear it out again tbh.

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iskin 6 hs ago

The CDC is expected to tell everyone to wear a mask outdoors within the next 10 days.

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4saken4ever 3 hs ago

Really! Where did you hear that?

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Memetic1 6 hs ago

That dynamic is going to change within the next month. Especially if brave people like you do what's right. Just say that you have a cough if anyone messes with you.

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Unhinged_Goose 6 hs ago

NO! The medical professionals need them! Fuck you NT Times, you should know better!

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sleepytimegirl 6 hs ago

It’s not super hard to construct a non medical mask tho. Even The Who says a bandana is better than nothing. The crafting community would work to help get every American a washable and reuseable mask made of cotton with double ply. I’m waiting on a part for my sewing machine but then plan to make a ton out of cotton sheets I have in storage.

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tehmlem :flag-pa: Pennsylvania 6 hs ago

I mean they specifically mention that n95 masks aren't available but that simpler masks still provide a degree of protection.

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r4nd0mreddituser2020 6 hs ago

first they said MAsks are not going to help, now they said wear mask?

What should we listen to?

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PresidentDucksAss 6 hs ago

Should probably.

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BringOn25A 6 hs ago

Here are a couple resources for this.

Research Paper on potential effectiveness

CDC face masks https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/ppe-strategy/face-masks.html

If everyone wore masks, even not full surgical or N95, there is still a likely benefit to make a dent in transmission and reception of the virus. Even cutting it down as little as 10% will help. Leave the surgical and N95 for those most high risk.

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africabound 6 hs ago

exactly! https://aiki.info/masks/

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BringOn25A 6 hs ago

Outstanding resource, TY!!!

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justcallmemoonstar 6 hs ago

Duh.

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