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Sheol 1 h ago

You'd think of anyone could take action against being ripped off by anti-competitive practices, it's be the Federal government.

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ShenmeNamaeSollich 1 h ago

The real bullshit outcome here is that all the companies involved have kept all the taxpayer-funded intellectual property and designs & lessons learned w/o sharing any results.

It’s like if the govt funded years of research into renewable energy, and the people working on it solved nuclear fusion and then just quit and forgot all about it. At least if it was buried in the Indiana Jones “giant govt warehouse of forgotten stuff” somebody might stumble upon it.

All these people/companies/universities/ hospitals that have been MacGyvering cost-effective solutions in the last month or so all started at the drawing board on square one re-solving all the same goddamn problems we already paid for.

These guys had a working prototype a decade ago! Where is it??? Fucking open-source it - now!

All former engineers & designers who worked on this project - post the fucking plans online along w/any other documents you might still have. Any NDAs are null and void. That’s taxpayer-funded public research - we own it. It can still save lives.

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colloidaloatmeal 1 h ago

Damn, yeah, I hadn't even thought of that.

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ralph058 2 hs ago

Please don't post paywall articles.

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dontdoxmebro2 2 hs ago

Lol government failure? Say it ain’t so!

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Charliebush 1 h ago

Didn’t get past the headline did you?

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fitzroy95 2 hs ago

Try this alternative: The U.S. Tried to Build a New Fleet of Ventilators. The Mission Failed.

tl:dr - The project was started, designer selected, prototypes delivered. Company was then brought up by large corporation, and the project killed because it wasn't profitable enough (the corporations already made ventilators that were much more expensive)

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Goobliani 2 hs ago

Yeah I'd like to be able to read the article so I know what I'm commenting on.

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BeneathTheSassafras 2 hs ago

Paywall? Account wall? Dont need it.

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The_seph_i_am 2 hs ago

Government officials and executives at rival ventilator companies said they suspected that Covidien had acquired Newport to prevent it from building a cheaper product that would undermine Covidien’s profits from its existing ventilator business.

This is a damnation on the government’s contacting process as it is the greed of Covidien.

This is also why we need stronger Anti-trust laws.

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oniony 2 hs ago

Paywall. Downvoted.

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itsokay321 2 hs ago

Now post the behind the scenes corruption to make and dollar that is still costing lives.

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cyber1kenobi 3 hs ago

Millions of tax payer dollars thrown down the drain, or better yet thrown to these medical device making shady ass companies

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Cletus-Van-Damm 3 hs ago

paywall

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hexagonalshit 2 hs ago

Part 2/2 The government agreed to cancel the contract. The world was focused at the time on the Ebola outbreak in West Africa. The research agency started over, awarding a new contract for $13.8 million to the giant Dutch company Philips. In 2015, Covidien was sold for $50 billion to another huge medical device company, Medtronic. Charles J. Dockendorff, Covidien’s former chief financial officer, said he did not know why the contract had fallen apart. “I am not aware of that issue,” he said in a text message. Robert J. White, president of the minimally invasive therapies group at Medtronic who worked at Covidien during the Newport acquisition, initially said he had no recollection of the Project Aura contract. A Medtronic spokeswoman later said that Mr. White was under the impression that the contract had been winding down before Covidien bought Newport. It wasn’t until last July that the F.D.A. signed off on the new Philips ventilator, the Trilogy Evo. The government ordered 10,000 units in December, setting a delivery date in mid-2020. As the extent of the spread of the new coronavirus in the United States became clear, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, revealed on March 15 that the stockpile had 12,700 ventilators ready to deploy. The government has since sped up maintenance to increase the number available to 16,660 — still fewer than a quarter of what officials years earlier had estimated would be required in a moderate flu pandemic. Last week, the Health and Human Services Department contacted ventilator makers to see how soon they could produce thousands of machines. And it began pressing Philips to speed up its planned shipments. The stockpile is “still awaiting delivery of the Trilogy Evo,” a Health and Human Services spokeswoman said. “We do not currently have any in inventory, though we are expecting them soon.”

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hexagonalshit 2 hs ago

Part 1 **The U.S. Tried to Build a New Fleet of Ventilators. The Mission Failed.** As the coronavirus spreads, the collapse of the project helps explain America’s acute shortage. A U.S. Strategic National Stockpile in Texas. The government has thousands of ventilators, but not enough to cope with the coronavirus pandemic. A U.S. Strategic National Stockpile in Texas. The government has thousands of ventilators, but not enough to cope with the coronavirus pandemic. Credit...Cooper Neill for The New York Times By Nicholas Kulish, Sarah Kliff and Jessica Silver-Greenberg March 29, 2020 Updated 5:27 p.m. ET Thirteen years ago, a group of U.S. public health officials came up with a plan to address what they regarded as one of the medical system’s crucial vulnerabilities: a shortage of ventilators. The breathing-assistance machines tended to be bulky, expensive and limited in number. The plan was to build a large fleet of inexpensive portable devices to deploy in a flu pandemic or another crisis. Money was budgeted. A federal contract was signed. Work got underway. And then things suddenly veered off course. A multibillion-dollar maker of medical devices bought the small California company that had been hired to design the new machines. The project ultimately produced zero ventilators. That failure delayed the development of an affordable ventilator by at least half a decade, depriving hospitals, states and the federal government of the ability to stock up. The federal government started over with another company in 2014, whose ventilator was approved only last year and whose products have not yet been delivered. Today, with the coronavirus ravaging America’s health care system, the nation’s emergency-response stockpile is still waiting on its first shipment. The scarcity of ventilators has become an emergency, forcing doctors to make life-or-death decisions about who gets to breathe and who does not. The stalled efforts to create a new class of cheap, easy-to-use ventilators highlight the perils of outsourcing projects with critical public-health implications to private companies; their focus on maximizing profits is not always consistent with the government’s goal of preparing for a future crisis. “We definitely saw the problem,” said Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, who ran the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from 2009 to 2017. “We innovated to try and get a solution. We made really good progress, but it doesn’t appear to have resulted in the volume that we needed.” The project — code-named Aura — came in the wake of a parade of near-miss pandemics: SARS, MERS, bird flu and swine flu. Federal officials decided to re-evaluate their strategy for the next public health emergency. They considered vaccines, antiviral drugs, protective gear and ventilators, the last line of defense for patients suffering respiratory failure. The federal government’s Strategic National Stockpile had full-service ventilators in its warehouses, but not in the quantities that would be needed to combat a major pandemic. In 2006, the Department of Health and Human Services established a new division, the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, with a mandate to prepare medical responses to chemical, biological and nuclear attacks, as well as infectious diseases. In its first year in operation, the research agency considered how to expand the number of ventilators. It estimated that an additional 70,000 machines would be required in a moderate influenza pandemic. The ventilators in the national stockpile were not ideal. In addition to being big and expensive, they required a lot of training to use. The research agency convened a panel of experts in November 2007 to devise a set of requirements for a new generation of mobile, easy-to-use ventilators. In 2008, the government requested proposals from companies that were interested in designing and building the ventilators. The goal was for the machines to be approved by regulators for mass development by 2010 or 2011, according to budget documents that the Department of Health and Human Services submitted to Congress in 2008. After that, the government would buy as many as 40,000 new ventilators and add them to the national stockpile. The ventilators were to cost less than $3,000 each. The lower the price, the more machines the government would be able to buy. Companies submitted bids for the Project Aura job. The research agency opted not to go with a large, established device maker. Instead it chose Newport Medical Instruments, a small outfit in Costa Mesa, Calif. Newport, which was owned by a Japanese medical device company, only made ventilators. Being a small, nimble company, Newport executives said, would help it efficiently fulfill the government’s needs. Ventilators at the time typically went for about $10,000 each, and getting the price down to $3,000 would be tough. But Newport’s executives bet they would be able to make up for any losses by selling the ventilators around the world. “It would be very prestigious to be recognized as a supplier to the federal government,” said Richard Crawford, who was Newport’s head of research and development at the time. “We thought the international market would be strong, and there is where Newport would have a good profit on the product.” Federal officials were pleased. In addition to replenishing the national stockpile, “we also thought they’d be so attractive that the commercial market would want to buy them, too,” said Nicole Lurie, who was then the assistant secretary for preparedness and response inside the Department of Health and Human Services. With luck, the new generation of ventilators would become ubiquitous, helping hospitals nationwide better prepare for a crisis. The contract was officially awarded a few months after the H1N1 outbreak, which the C.D.C. estimated infected 60 million and killed 12,000 in the United States, began to taper off in 2010. The contract called for Newport to receive $6.1 million upfront, with the expectation that the government would pay millions more as it bought thousands of machines to fortify the stockpile. Project Aura was Newport’s first job for the federal government. Things moved quickly and smoothly, employees and federal officials said in interviews. Every three months, officials with the biomedical research agency would visit Newport’s headquarters. Mr. Crawford submitted monthly reports detailing the company’s spending and progress. The federal officials “would check everything,” he said. “If we said we were buying equipment, they would want to know what it was used for. There were scheduled visits, scheduled requirements and deliverables each month.” In 2011, Newport shipped three working prototypes from the company’s California plant to Washington for federal officials to review. Dr. Frieden, who ran the C.D.C. at the time, got a demonstration in a small conference room attached to his office. “I got all excited,” he said. “It was a multiyear effort that had resulted in something that was going to be really useful.” In April 2012, a senior Health and Human Services official testified before Congress that the program was “on schedule to file for market approval in September 2013.” After that, the machines would go into production. Then everything changed. The medical device industry was undergoing rapid consolidation, with one company after another merging with or acquiring other makers. Manufacturers wanted to pitch themselves as one-stop shops for hospitals, which were getting bigger, and that meant offering a broader suite of products. In May 2012, Covidien, a large medical device manufacturer, agreed to buy Newport for just over $100 million. Covidien — a publicly traded company with sales of $12 billion that year — already sold traditional ventilators, but that was only a small part of its multifaceted businesses. In 2012 alone, Covidien bought five other medical device companies, in addition to Newport. Newport executives and government officials working on the ventilator contract said they immediately noticed a change when Covidien took over. Developing inexpensive portable ventilators no longer seemed like a top priority. Newport applied in June 2012 for clearance from the Food and Drug Administration to market the device, but two former federal officials said Covidien had demanded additional funding and a higher sales price for the ventilators. The government gave the company an additional $1.4 million, a drop in the bucket for a company Covidien’s size. Government officials and executives at rival ventilator companies said they suspected that Covidien had acquired Newport to prevent it from building a cheaper product that would undermine Covidien’s profits from its existing ventilator business. Some Newport executives who worked on the project were reassigned to other roles. Others decided to leave the company. “Up until the time the company sold, I was really happy and excited about the project,” said Hong-Lin Du, Newport’s president at the time of its sale. “Then I was assigned to a different job.” Hong-Lin Du was the president of Newport Medical Instruments, a small company in Costa Mesa, Calif., at the time of its sale to Covidien. Hong-Lin Du was the president of Newport Medical Instruments, a small company in Costa Mesa, Calif., at the time of its sale to Covidien.Credit...Tag Christof for The New York Times In 2014, with no ventilators having been delivered to the government, Covidien executives told officials at the biomedical research agency that they wanted to get out of the contract, according to three former federal officials. The executives complained that it was not sufficiently profitable for the company.

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hexagonalshit 3 hs ago

Hm. I thought the nytimes had all articles about covid19 free for everyone?

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Paintingmyfreedom 3 hs ago

That’s what they say, but they are almost all behind a paywall

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hexagonalshit 2 hs ago

That's a shame. See above. I posted the text

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Paintingmyfreedom 1 h ago

Thanks

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qznc_bot2 3 hs ago

There is a discussion on Hacker News, but feel free to comment here as well.

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Anthro_the_Hutt 3 hs ago

But, see, the reason we need to allow capitalism in medicine is because it spurs innovation. Right? Right?

Edit: And Covidien is just too much of an on-the-nose name for a villainous corporation these days. Can we get someone in to touch up this screenplay?

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PM_ME_UR_Definitions 3 hs ago

Submission Statement

Over a decade ago people in the US government recognized the problem that a pandemic like this would require lots of cheap and easy to use ventilators. So they started a program to get them built with a contract bid on by the private sector. Everything was going great, and then the company that was designing/building the new ventilators was bought by a big medical company and the division was split up and the contract eventually cancelled.

It seems like this failure was primarily caused by the constant push for profit in the US healthcare system. Big companies want to buy out smaller ones or merge, so they have more leverage when negotiating with hospitals. And big companies want to protect their most profitable sales (like big/expensive ventilators) and so they have an incentive to keep cheaper options off the market.

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dlpfischner 4 hs ago

Of course

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deathclonic 4 hs ago

Alternate link if you hate paywalls https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-u-s-tried-to-build-a-new-fleet-of-ventilators-the-mission-failed/ar-BB11RHeI?appwebview=true

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hexagonalshit 4 hs ago

Good article on the national stockpile and the gov contractors that were trying to deliver ventilators

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wholeftthishere 7 hs ago

Where's the fuck Space Force? On Star Trek there were enough ventilators. I want to belong to The Federation. We can't build a "fleet" of shit we needed yesterday, but we got a fucked up Starliner made by a company that killed itself making self crashing 737s.

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PipingHotSoup 2 hs ago

You know in the JRE podcast with Snowden he made the interesting point that the data collected, at least that he is particularly opposed to, is mass dragnet capturing of all data. It is only accessed later if they mark you as dangerous and need to build some sort of profile.

This isn't really an issue of mass surveillance as it is an issue of digital infrastructure being too easy to capture data from. Maybe there needs to be some kind of data-retention policy we could get carriers to implement.

It's tricky too because if Google is ever in cahoots with them and they subpoena my info, they'd basically have my whole life. It'd probably be very easy to profile me, and it's a pain.

It's really interfering with my future ability to commit crimes!

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E7ernal Some assembly required. Not for communists or chil 4 hs ago

The government is just asking carriers for data they already have (and HAVE to have in order for their networks to work). If you connect to a tower, you're already triangulated. If you connect through wifi, you're probably not much better off, though home wifi is a bit trickier to geolocate without the help of every local ISP.

But the thing is, the government has ALWAYS been doing this. They're just now making it known because it's the most favorable reason to have been doing it.

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thisnameloves 5 hs ago

Fake GPS app for the win!

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Anenome5 Mod - Exitarian 5 hs ago

It's built into the hardware, so I'm not sure that would work.

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wypierdaIaj 5 hs ago

Location data is not only based on GPS signal but also wi-fi's around you and transmitters that your SIM card is connected to. And who knows what else :/

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addled-- 5 hs ago

Gotta get a faraday cage. Won’t be able to send or receive messages tho

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justinduane 5 hs ago

I used to have this board game called Scotland Yard where one player was Mr. X and he moved around the board in secret. At specific points in the game he’d reveal his location. If you had a faraday cage on your phone you could take it off and only reveal your location at specific points you decide and all the tile in between would be a black box. Better than nothing.

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MarriedWChildren256 2 hs ago

Seems airplane mode would accomplish the same.

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Old_LandCruiser 6 hs ago

So what's the gist of the article? It requires a subscription to read, and the airplane mode trick isn't working.

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Lunar_Launcher 7 hs ago

On Android: Settings->Google->Ads->Reset advertising ID->Confirm/Ok->Toggle "Opt out of Ads Personalization" on

Do this often!

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SWells679 6 hs ago

Have Android. Can't find this ...

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Lunar_Launcher 4 hs ago

Try some of the other menus under Google settings, it should be somewhere in there. Your phone/service provider might have a different menu structure.

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Old_LandCruiser 6 hs ago

Damn! That's a good tip!

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semper_veritatem 6 hs ago

IPhone Settings -> Privacy -> Advertising -> Reset Advertising Identifier (and turn on Limit Ad tracking here too)

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wordsling3r Yesterday

Imagine going outside to like...idk, see a cloud, and you get an automated text telling you to go the fck back inside..

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MalcolmLinair Yesterday

And all this time the NSA was actually a branch of the CDC. Who knew?! /s

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destenlee Yesterday

They've been doing this for years.

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InisibleContribution Yesterday

Haha fuck the government (I hope you read this)

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CMU-MI 18 hs ago

This post was removed, how is your day going?

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bbqyak Yesterday

They're probably tracking regardless tbh

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flmann2020 32 mins ago

Seems like a person could make a killing 3D printing something like this...

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pleaseEggsplain 1 h ago

I understand the need to make ventilators in these dire times, the ventilators that hospitals use are complicated with ability to regulate the amount air going in and out lungs, they adjust to each persons needs rather than just blowing air in and out. I do commend the effort but I don't think many of these will be used in mass scale.

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vgf89 47 mins ago

If the hackaday article was anything to go by, this MIT ventilator measures and controls pressure.

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kescott 1 h ago

I don't understand why we aren't taking all the veterinary ventilators before resorting to these

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Asscroft 1 h ago

Americans need to do this because we can't expect to get to a hospital.

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heyitsmeanon 2 hs ago

Fuck yeah Manukau Institute of Technology

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somatic_function 2 hs ago

This. Build these instead of splitting vents. Ambu-bags are pretty readily available and this would meet the need for what we are going to have to do by hand if we run out of vents.

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itrippledmyself 2 hs ago

“The Department of Health and Human Services released a notice stating that all medical interventions related to Covid-19 are no longer subject to liability”

This is outrageously stupid and will also kill people.

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HamishMcdougal 2 hs ago

Just like the Canadian dude did a week ago?

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keithfantastic 2 hs ago

Hospitals will still charge you $10k for them.

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mnav3 3 hs ago

I fucking love open source.

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Satonamo 3 hs ago

This is pretty cool. Everyone has a shared goal and they ain't fighting each other.

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FlyingThunder2992 3 hs ago

oh my fucking god, all the time i read that hospitals were running out of ventilators i thought they would be talking about the spinning things that make air move. i thought it is just very hot in italy so they need fresh air in hospitals

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BarryZZZ 3 hs ago

A workable ventilator for $100 when the real hospital version has a designed-in patent-protected part that has to be changed every 36 hours that costs $1100 which can be 3D printed for $1?

People are longing for "getting back to normal" when it appears to me that "normal" completely sucked.

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RobTalks91 3 hs ago

Love it!

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zardoz88_moot 3 hs ago

I can't believe its come to this. If you dont want yourself or a relative to die , you have to 3d print your own ventilator.

America #1 though.

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JordanRUDEmag 3 hs ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/UpliftingNews/comments/fr93cn/mit_will_post_free_plans_online_for_an_emergency/fluo6gi/

Details in u/songya's original comment above.

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wizardlydray 3 hs ago

These will be hell to wean with. If they’re even useful at all. (Source: am respiratory therapist)

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Pooperoni_Pizza 3 hs ago

Not to be a downer but legitimate question on the legalities of providing a bunch of $100 machines to be built by who knows being supplied to hospitals to potentially save someone's life. I so love this approach. Don't get me wrong. But what happens if a machine fails and someone dies? Who is liable? I get it's an emergency and desperate times call for desperate measures but somehow I feel the government's going to have to spend weeks approving this stuff and we're approaching an Apex in some locations.

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bananagoesBOOM 3 hs ago

I read that as MTV releases... And for a second was like, holy shit, good for them.

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planetofthemapes15 3 hs ago

They gotta do what they can to stay relevent

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FaceRockerMD 3 hs ago

So I'm glad people are thinking outside the box but this is unusable in a covid patient who will require increasing amounts of pressures this will not be able to deliver. The mechanism this could save a life would be someone who's lungs are healthy but maybe they are brain injured could be on this for some time while a real vent is used on a covid patient.

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Whosdaman 3 hs ago

UF was making one for $125, MIT topped that and published it first

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heathstonemope 3 hs ago

Thought it said emergency “vibrator” at first and I was like niiiiice

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kazarath79 3 hs ago

Except they are telling us that we shouldn't be using the Ambu or any other style bag due to the fact it could cause aerosolized particles. This would change the virus from droplet to airborne transmission

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TyrantJester 3 hs ago

can be built for 100$

till people start fucking hoarding the supplies for those too, just in case they need to build one

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pichichi010 1 h ago

Im ok if we come back in September.

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kpgalligan 1 h ago

Watch for more info on cloth masks. It's not that hard, and we really should be looking at this: https://twitter.com/jeremyphoward/status/1242894378441506816?s=20

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Faraday_Rage 1 h ago

Well shit, the timeline for this has me losing my job.

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NewTubeReview 2 hs ago

AEI is a 'conservative' lobbying organization. They have no interest whatsoever in public health.

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TheWierdGuy 40 mins ago

Judge by the content of the report.

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davey1800 2 hs ago

The vaccine will have your biometric data stored in it. Basically, a body scanner/airport style security will tell them everything about you. With 5g rolling out, they’ll be able to track you anywhere in the world, even with no cameras around. The signal will tell them where you are at all times.

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Emerytoon 2 hs ago

Slow the Spread in Phase I. This is the current phase of response. The COVID-19 epidemic in the United States is growing, with community transmission occurring in every state. To slow the spread in this period,1 schools are closed across the country, workers are being asked to do their jobs from home when possible, community gathering spaces such as malls and gyms are closed, and restaurants are being asked to limit their services. These measures will need to be in place in each state until transmission has measurably slowed down and health infrastructure can be scaled up to safely manage the outbreak and care for the sick.

State-by-State Reopening in Phase II. Individual states can move to Phase II when they are able to safely diagnose, treat, and isolate COVID-19 cases and their contacts. During this phase, schools and businesses can reopen, and much of normal life can begin to resume in a phased approach. However, some physical distancing measures and limitations on gatherings will still need to be in place to prevent transmission from accelerating again. For older adults (those over age 60), those with underlying health conditions, and other populations at heightened risk from COVID-19, continuing to limit time in the community will be important.

Public hygiene will be sharply improved, and deep cleanings on shared spaces should become more routine. Shared surfaces will be more frequently sanitized, among other measures. In addition to case-based interventions that more actively identify and isolate people with the disease and their contacts, the public will initially be asked to limit gatherings, and people will initially be asked to wear fabric nonmedical face masks while in the community to reduce their risk of asymptomatic spread. Those who are sick will be asked to stay home and seek testing for COVID-19. Testing should become more widespread and routine as point-of-care diagnostics are fully deployed in doctors’ offices.

While we focus on state-by-state reopening of activities in a responsible manner and based on surveillance data, we note that states may move forward at a county or regional level if these conditions vary within the state and that coordination on reopening among states that share metropolitan regions will be necessary.

Establish Immune Protection and Lift Physical Distancing During Phase III. Physical distancing restrictions and other Phase II measures can be lifted when safe and effective tools for mitigating the risk of COVID-19 are available, including broad surveillance, therapeutics that can rescue patients with significant disease or prevent serious illness in those most at risk, or a safe and effective vaccine.

Rebuild Our Readiness for the Next Pandemic in Phase IV. After we successfully defeat COVID-19, we must ensure that America is never again unprepared to face a new infectious disease threat. This will require investment into research and development initiatives, expansion of public-health and health care infrastructure and workforce, and clear governance structures to execute strong preparedness plans. Properly implemented, the steps described here also provide the foundation for containing the damage that future pathogens may cause.

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joshdho1 2 hs ago

First you need to keep everyone from flooding the only stores that are open.... Walmart Lowe’s hobby lobby etc etc just because there open doesn’t mean everyone and their grandmas need to go there

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-Blixx- 2 hs ago

Too early.

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Taint_my_problem 2 hs ago

Good read. Very thorough and well thought out plan. Glad to know a lot of intelligent people are working on getting us past this.

I’m not sure Americans will warm up to the face masks in public but maybe the threat of longer quarantines will help. We also need to see some celebrities step up and go around wearing some fashionable face masks. Maybe we should start bugging them on Twitter to start a trend.

Someone needs to make a mask that has “Do it for the high-risk” or something like that and give a portion to charity for buying PPE for medical workers.

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Ihaveaboot 49 mins ago

Providing guidance on how to craft and use homemade masks would be useful as part of a campaign. I have never seen anyone in my area where a mask before this week, I agree that people would really need to be sold on it.

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RahvinDragand 56 mins ago

The airlines need to be pushing PPE hard if they want to stay in business. Maybe give people "flight masks" and sterile gloves when they book a flight. Anything to get people flying again in a safe manner.

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Taint_my_problem 52 mins ago

That’s a great idea. Every business should be offering masks at the door. Something with their logo on it if they want like they’re passing out koozies or something. The point being to normalize it. Just turn it into another advertising gimmick that people can joke about. Like oh hey, free mask, with their silly logo on it.

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m63646 56 mins ago

I disagree. I think if masks were available most would already be wearing them.

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SavannahInChicago 30 mins ago

CDC has highly discouraged mask wearing from the start. I think this is part of it.

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GS_Braves94 33 mins ago

They're going to become more available in time. Also, you can literally just cut up an old t shirt and tie it behind your head. Or get a do rag and wear it over your face.

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Spocks_Goatee 1 h ago

I've already been wearing masks I have access to and nobody minds yet.

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Icy-Profits 1 h ago

They told us not to wear masks....knew it was bs the moment I heard it

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kpgalligan 1 h ago

This is a must watch, talking about DIY masks. This is totally doable https://twitter.com/jeremyphoward/status/1242894378441506816?s=20

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TheLastSamurai 1 h ago

Honestly, this is where some marketing folks could make a difference. This entire movement needs WWII era PSA posters/Nike “Just Do It” type of branding to get people bought in.

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Taint_my_problem 1 h ago

Nike and other athletic clothing companies definitely need to make some athletic masks and then athletes should be playing games wearing them. This would be huge. I could see one with a Nike swoosh and: Just Do It For The High Risk

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Sorr_Ttam 28 mins ago

Doing any kind of physical activity with a face mask on would be absolute hell. There is no way that players would agree to that.

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Taint_my_problem 25 mins ago

I’m sure there can be specially made ones that improve air flow (through a filter?) and those could be the more high-end sought-after ones that the $200 Nike shoe-buying crowd goes after.

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Spocks_Goatee 1 h ago

New Balance already is, though they look very homemade.

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Taint_my_problem 59 mins ago

This one’s pretty cool looking. https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/2900266001 We just need some bigger companies to put out some really stylish ones and market the hell out of them. And some celebrities/athletes to be trend-setters here.

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Spocks_Goatee 56 mins ago

Way better than New Balance for sure.

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TheLastSamurai 1 h ago

Absolutely! The celebrity thing is big too, would rather that than that Gal Gadot singing video

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kbBjorn 1 h ago

>I’m not sure Americans will warm up to the face masks in public but maybe the threat of longer quarantines will help. This is the key, right here. It wouldn't get everyone, but if news anchors, celebrities, etc started wearing them, it would make a huge difference in making them "acceptable".

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GS_Braves94 35 mins ago

The problem is we have so many fake tough guys who get off on being "that guy"

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CANNIBAL_M_ 1 h ago

I’m on board just so it can put a stop to random people feeling the need to tell me to “Smile!”

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Taint_my_problem 1 h ago

Yours could have a big fake smile on it. 😂

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Taint_my_problem 1 h ago

Yeah definitely. And they need to be a little more fashionable. Right now they just have a sterile “sick” look to them. But have them in different colors and designs, sports team logos, state/national flags, Calvin peeing on things (a Coronavirus?), alma maters, superhero themes, band names, tv shows, generic quotes like “Live Laugh Love”, etc. just make them extensions of your clothing/t-shirts. This sort of thing is where America would shine. For some people maybe they would want to have the name of someone close to them that is high-risk on there. There needs to be a shift away from the thinking that wearing a mask puts you in a weak position and more into putting us into a fighting and enduring position. Like a knight’s shield. Or just have them be fashionable if that’s what gets you to do it.

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SavannahInChicago 34 mins ago

I got one from Etsy that is Harry Potter themed. It’s actually kinda cute.

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Taint_my_problem 29 mins ago

That’s what I’m talking about. Warner Bros, Disney, Marvel, Lucasfilm, etc need to get on it and start selling these things. Kids can wear superhero themed masks to school.

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dante662 2 hs ago

I mean, fashion isn't the concern, it's availability. Medical workers in the US need 3.5 BILLION N95 masks alone. Now add to that 350+ million Americans and we are going to be out of masks for months

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SabretoothChinchilla 1 h ago

N95 for us is another issue, but the general public in diy cloth masks is a small step in the right direction. As a medic I'm asking: people who have the free time to make this a cool thing, please do so.

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Emerytoon 1 h ago

Not if you reuse them.

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SavannahInChicago 31 mins ago

According to what I have been seeing fabric can have COVID on its surface for 24 hours, so if people can get a few to rotate.

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dante662 1 h ago

Which we are told every day we cannot do, or risk infection.

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Emerytoon 1 h ago

30 minutes in the oven at 158° F, and you are good to go. https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/fo0rpe/stanford_researchers_confirm_n95_masks_can_be/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

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Spocks_Goatee 1 h ago

Will those small UV phone cleaners work since it's strong?

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JtheNinja 1 h ago

Cloth mask reuse is a very different situation from N95s. They don't have the same level of filtration, their main function is to trap your droplets so they don't get all over nearby people and surfaces. You can just throw them in the laundry to reuse them.

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bunkieprewster 1 h ago

They are still effective to protect you from others droplets https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/

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Taint_my_problem 1 h ago

And also to prevent you from touching your face.

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charlesgegethor 1 h ago

Exactly. Just because it isn't as good at preventing you getting, it can easily improve how difficult it is to spread.

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Taint_my_problem 2 hs ago

Yeah that’s a separate issue though. The report addresses the general public needing washable cloth masks, not N95 masks.

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wayarktz 2 hs ago

Lets contain this first, then we’ll think about reopening.

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SufficientHistorian6 2 hs ago

/u/maalbi posted this earlier, but I wanted to highlight the "endgame" of this pandemic.

Re-posted from my comment at the original post...

Similar to what I posted earlier today, but with more strings attached. Basically in order to have businesses and other establishments re-open, these are the goals that are being set:

A state can safely proceed to Phase II when it has achieved all the following:

A sustained reduction in cases for at least 14 days,

Hospitals in the state are safely able to treat all patients requiring hospitalization without resorting to crisis standards of care,

The state is able to test all people with COVID-19 symptoms, and

The state is able to conduct active monitoring of confirmed cases and their contacts.

Hmm. And in order to move onto Phase III, which is basically back to normalcy...

Trigger for Moving to Phase III

Once a vaccine has been developed, has been tested for safety and efficacy, and receives FDA emergency use authorization,30 states can move to Phase III.

So only once the vaccine comes into the picture, will we be able to go back to normal.... Great.

Oh, jeez.

Trigger for Switch Toward Mass Vaccination. Once availability of a vaccine or therapeutic is able to meet demand, > vaccination can expand beyond priority groups. The CDC, state public-health agencies, and vaccine developers should work together to plan for and execute mass vaccination of large populations in the US. This planning can > begin before Phase III because preparation can be made regardless of vaccine availability.

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OX_86 1 h ago

I thought Israel already had the vaccine in trial stage a couple weeks ago? If so, seems like pretty convenient timing. Went along with the headline "coronavirus was deemed a threat of pandemic before so its already been in the works".

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boomerpro 2 hs ago

they will vaccine and micro chip everyone. if you don't have this you will not be allowed to work, buy groceries, go out anywhere. They will have scanners to make sure you are vaccinated for "safety" purposes.

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SufficientHistorian6 2 hs ago

This isn't even, like, a conspiracy theory anymore. It's basically what they are stating they will do in order to get to "Phase III", aka back to normalcy.

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awesomemofo75 1 h ago

Why now?

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boomerpro 2 hs ago

yup and everyone will voluntarily get the vaccine so they can go back to work. If not you could stay home but eventually run out of money and be put into poverty

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SufficientHistorian6 2 hs ago

This is what's going to happen. They won't even give you a choice, it seems.

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CrazedBacon 1 h ago

There is a choice.

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SufficientHistorian6 2 hs ago

Similar to what I posted earlier today, but with more strings attached. Basically in order to have businesses and other establishments re-open, these are the goals that are being set:

A state can safely proceed to Phase II when it has achieved all the following:

A sustained reduction in cases for at least 14 days,

Hospitals in the state are safely able to treat all patients requiring hospitalization without resorting to crisis standards of care,

The state is able to test all people with COVID-19 symptoms, and

The state is able to conduct active monitoring of confirmed cases and their contacts.

Hmm. And in order to move onto Phase III, which is basically back to normalcy...

Trigger for Moving to Phase III

Once a vaccine has been developed, has been tested for safety and efficacy, and receives FDA emergency use authorization,30 states can move to Phase III.

So only once the vaccine comes into the picture, will we be able to go back to normal.... Great.

Oh, jeez.

Trigger for Switch Toward Mass Vaccination. Once availability of a vaccine or therapeutic is able to meet demand, > vaccination can expand beyond priority groups. The CDC, state public-health agencies, and vaccine developers > should work together to plan for and execute mass vaccination of large populations in the US. This planning can > begin before Phase III because preparation can be made regardless of vaccine availability.

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maalbi 2 hs ago

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my_shiny_new_account 2 hs ago

does our gov't know about this? are they endorsing/following it or is this just an independent group of experts?

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beager 36 mins ago

AEI is pretty prominent and somewhat right leaning (it’s basically the neocon think tank). This could very easily have a lot of prominent politicians’ attention.

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Sorr_Ttam 2 hs ago

Its Trumps former FDA appointee and some other academics.

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_bird_internet 3 hs ago

the trigger for a move to Phase II should be when a state reports a sustained reduction in cases for at least 14 days

We're going to be sheltering in place for a lot longer. Cases are still growing, and once they finally start dropping, it will be at least another 2 weeks before we can start to move towards normalcy.

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tdatcher 1 h ago

Do you think that by mid may that there could be external (population) driven pressure to get back to normal that may screw over this idea? I say mid may mainly due to memorial day weekend and cabin fever setting in. (I'll add that they blocked the tidal basin in DC for the cherry blossoms to prevent crowds)

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RahvinDragand 54 mins ago

If the shelter in place measures work as intended, mid-May would theoretically when we'd be seeing a downturn in cases anyway.

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TheLastSamurai 1 h ago

I think June 1 could be a good target but this app depends on outcomes.

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dzyp 1 h ago

I would guess economic pressure gets there first.

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7778645 1 h ago

Word. There are all kind of supposedly "non-critical" industries that suddenly become critical after they've been down for several weeks. And even industries that are truly non-critical are often vital revenue sources needed to balance the books for companies that ARE deemed critical. You can't just turn off big swaths of the economy without making the whole thing unstable.

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newtibabe 2 hs ago

Some places are already a plateau or even reduction in new cases/day - Santa Clara County, for one [Santa Clara County COVID Dashboard](https://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/DiseaseInformation/novel-coronavirus/Pages/dashboard.aspx)

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_bird_internet 2 hs ago

California has had really bad testing with huge delays, so hard to really tell how things are going. The whole state has 64K tests pending, and they have only gotten results for 26K total.

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newtibabe 1 h ago

They disclose that the testing data is limited on the dashboard. However, if the testing is bottlenecked, wouldn't that presumably be at a fairly constant rate day-over-day, therefore meaning the trend in the data would have statistical value? Or do you have a source that shows the tests are being batch processed by county, for example, or another inconsistent method, which would result in inconsistent data being pushed out? I'm genuinely curious as I am tracking metrics from this dashboard myself and would be interested to see any source that provides a confounding variable in this data.

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_bird_internet 1 h ago

This source has the number of pending tests at the state level: https://covidtracking.com/data/state/california/ >However, if the testing is bottlenecked, wouldn't that presumably be at a fairly constant rate day-over-day, therefore meaning the trend in the data would have statistical value? Well that wouldn't help with showing if you have reached peak. If you get back 1000 tests a day and x% are positive, it might look like it's stabilized, but with more and more tests pending each day, the growing backlog would suggest it's spreading still.

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newtibabe 1 h ago

Interesting - at least it's a B and not lower. Also, the assumption on that page that each test is an independent individual is incorrect, at least for Santa Clara County, where, A/O 3/22/2020, they had conducted 1,044 samples for 644 individuals.[Source](https://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/DiseaseInformation/novel-coronavirus/Pages/covid19-testing.aspx) I'll keep tracking our numbers and see how it goes for the next 14-21 days. You may be 100% correct and there's lots of bottlenecked positive tests and very few bottlenecked negative tests yet to come out of the labs.

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mokango 3 hs ago

Fuck off AEI.

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emoji-rick 3 hs ago

Fuck this dumb stupid ugly ass, RNA based ass, sun looking headass virus bruh....

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P3zcore 9 hs ago

This is the next big topic coming up - the proposed "monitoring" and surveillance is a bit scary:

Just one of many excerpts:

A comprehensive national sentinel surveillance system, supported by and coordinated with local public-health systems and health care providers, to track the background rate of infection across states and identify community spread while an outbreak is still small and at a stage in which case-based interventions can prevent a larger outbreak.

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RationalistFaith1 3 hs ago

Yup yup, but hopefully there will be pushback when things blow over..... "if" they allow it to blow over.

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Acesolid QC 10 hs ago

Here's a (in my opinion quite realistic) plan for how to determine when (and how) to slowly begin to re-open society and gradually lift the lock down (while keeping social distancing, testing, giving masks, etc...). It says a Country should do so when we have achieved the following:

A sustained reduction in cases for at least 14 days;
Hospitals in the state are safely able to treat all patients requiring hospitalization without resorting to crisis standards of care;
The state is able to test all people with COVID-19 symptoms; and
The state is able to conduct active monitoring of confirmed cases and their contacts.

And this ''Phase 2'' would be about:

In Phase II, the majority of schools, universities, and businesses can reopen. Teleworking should continue where convenient; social gatherings should continue to be limited to fewer than 50 people wherever possible. Other local restrictions should be considered, such as those that limit people from congregating in close proximity.

High-contact settings such as schools should continue to review and implement physical distancing measures... and input from local officials. Health officials should recommend increased social hygiene measures and cleaning of shared surfaces.

For older adults (those over 60 years old), those with underlying health conditions, and other populations at heightened risk from COVID-19, it should still be recommended that they limit time in the community during Phase II. This recommendation may change if an effective therapeutic becomes available.

And that:

The adoption of these Phase II measures will require a careful balance. We will need to constantly reevaluate the implementation of these measures based on available surveillance data, and we will need to be ready to adjust our approach over time according to the epidemiology of local, national, and global spread. This is especially true as we transition from one phase to the next.

In my opinion this is a solid plan. And I'd like to hear what some of you think about it.

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EngSciGuy mad with (electric) power | Official 7 hs ago

>Hospitals in the state are safely able to treat all patients requiring hospitalization without resorting to crisis standards of care; The level of reopening being described means accepting cases would ramp up rapidly, so there would need to enough ICU beds/ventilators to handle that surge, and the staff. I don't think there are enough qualified individuals in Canada for that, so using "a sustained reduction for 14 days" isn't a point to start off from, it would really just start the second wave and quick return to isolation.

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EconMan Fiscally Right, Socially Left 6 hs ago

> it would really just start the second wave and quick return to isolation. Interestingly enough, that's sort of what China is seeing (or at least is concerned about), although to be fair, that's probably due to foreign transmission. They re-opened cinemas a week ago just to re shut them down now.

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BringTheNoise011 8 hs ago

Sounds reasonable!

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rsanabria101 4 weeks ago

How come they don’t list the amount recovered? 18 deaths/30 recovered is horrible..is that the true death rate then..?

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Ifoughtallama 4 weeks ago

The case fatality rate is better than in China, maybe this is evidence that is less deadly than it originally seemed. Still very dangerous and disruptive.

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Harvard_Med_USMLE267 4 weeks ago

Pretty low CFR.

I think south korea is doing a great job of identifying mild cases.
If mortality from this group if 3736 eventually doubled, cfr would be around 1%. That’s my current estimate, with top-level medical care, and 3-4% when ICU resources become overwhelmed.

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NotAnotherEmpire 4 weeks ago

This early in case expansion thats not unusually low. Especially if testing asymptomatic contacts, of which the cult produced hundreds. Asymptomatic people aren't cases of disease and should not be included in CFR just for one virus. There is no reason to believe SK will ultimately have a different experience than also exhaustive testing Singapore, where 10% were ICU cases.

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salbass175 4 weeks ago

Keep the doom narrative alive!!!

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NotAnotherEmpire 4 weeks ago

It's called reality. No officials think the disease profile seen in China is wrong by an order of magnitude. WHO found no evidence, China doesn't assert it themselves, and the disease profile in Singapore and symptomatic Diamond Princess cases don't support that either. This reasoning borders on misinformation at this point. And counting asymptomatic people in *case* fatality rate is simply wrong. If you don't "get" a flu, you're not a flu case.

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ama_deo 4 weeks ago

Because they test the shit out of everyone. The number of deaths will unfortunately spike in the near future

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Harvard_Med_USMLE267 4 weeks ago

Yes, that’s why this is the best CFR data. A lot of other countries - such as the US - only test people with very specific criteria. My 1% estimate is based on a doubling of the death rate in this current cohort. I think the commonly-cited 2% rate is a little too high, as mild cases are not being detected in many settings. As noted, I think around 3% of people will die if they can’t get access to ICU-level care, which is what I expect to happen with increasing frequency as the pandemic ramps up.

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j_th 4 weeks ago

Current number of deaths is 20, not 18.

https://m.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20200301074051053?section=local/index

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outrider567 4 weeks ago

That's still only a .5% death rate so far

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MaleficentRespect3 4 weeks ago

Thanks for the update.

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team_pandemic3 4 weeks ago

The church needs to face criminal charges for intentionally spreading the virus.

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UrbanismInEgypt 4 weeks ago

but they didn't...

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hohsin1234 4 weeks ago

They did. They hide themselves and visited several government offices. They lied but caught by surveillance cameras.

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mjr1 4 weeks ago

Any evidence of intention?

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boissez 4 weeks ago

None at all.

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rabiesandcorn 4 weeks ago

Terrorism charges.

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MagFreakingNeto 4 weeks ago

This is still early days for the count too because of the sheer amount of new cases being added daily

I refuse to believe Japan doesn't have a similar situation going on but are keeping it quiet, which is disgusting, the virus here is in over 12 cities...the spread is terrible

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MaleficentRespect3 4 weeks ago

South Korea's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced 586 new coronavirus cases on Sunday, bringing the country’s total to 3,736.

Authorities also reported one new fatality, following the 17 people who had previously died.

South Korea has the largest outbreak of the virus outside of mainland China, where most cases have been recorded.

Of the total number confirmed cases, the city of Daegu has the largest share, with 2,569 cases. At least 2,113 of the cases in Daegu have been linked to the Shincheonji religious group, who have been accused by officials of hampering the fight against the virus.

Schools closed: Daegu's office of education confirmed it has delayed the resumption of 800 schools by two more weeks, as efforts to stop the spread of the disease ramp up.

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NotAnotherEmpire 4 weeks ago

So very roughly more than 1k cases not in Daegu and around 1,500 not directly tied to the cult.

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hohsin1234 4 weeks ago

Most of cases are the cult or infected from cult. I can say they are directly tied.

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Geminii27 3 days ago

Which is why those in power constantly seek to suppress and destroy it.

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CYqprASzl5FpiBph 4 days ago

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This. So many times I have used a false name registering for online services. If various services allow assumed names, then the Anon Internet can prevail. And using my assumed name, I was never banned from a service because of it. Only in some rare occasions was I asked to provide my real name, and have it backed up with a passport or utility bill, but those were usually related to high-risk financial arrangements, so I don't mind sacrificing my real identity with that.

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ahmetakkus 4 days ago

If anonymity is a prerequisite doesn't it mean we don't have real freedom of expression anyway?

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steavoh 4 days ago

It’s an ideal, and also a rhetorical statement as all headlines are. Are you saying we shouldn’t have any anonymity or freedom of expression ?

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ahmetakkus 4 days ago

On the contrary, the idealist in me thinks we shouldn't even need anonymity, but in the actual state of things, anonymity is an absolute necessity and worth fighting for till the end.

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curfew_breaker 3 days ago

> the idealist in me thinks we shouldn't even need anonymity With all due respect, idealism in this particular case is pie-in-the-sky horseshit. Human nature dictates that there's a good probability that retribution is on the way if you say particular things on the internet that piss people off. That's called common sense. So what you think 'we should need' here, is irrelevant. All due respectfully, of course...

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ahmetakkus 2 days ago

Did you even read the rest of my comment?

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curfew_breaker 4 days ago

> If anonymity is a prerequisite doesn't it mean we don't have real freedom of expression anyway? We don't. That's the purpose of anonymity.

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Cool-Witness 4 days ago

I suppose you live in a world where you offend nobody, and everybody understands and respects you. In otherwords you take no risk. Now try being a Jew in Iran, or a black guy in Alabama, or a Muslim Uiygur in China. The last one is a great example because it relates directly to information and anonymity. Some of those people were sent to camps to have the way they think fixed. Forget about this whole religion nonsense, think normally. By force. How do they track them? Their phones. Everyone who holds one of these devices I'm currently typing this on is carrying a beacon. So then you can see why software and hardware companies are watched and pressured.

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Fistocracy 4 days ago

Cops routinely photograph everyone at peaceful protests and run surveillance ops on political organisations that aren't suspected of any criminal activity. The right to anonymous speech isn't just part of a checklist of ideals to be ticked off when you're measuring the hypothetical perfectly free society, its a practical necessity *right now*.

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GoldenJoe24 4 days ago

Ha! Good point.

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DJ_DoubleU 4 days ago

No because free speech only protects you from government intervention. Doesn’t mean your free from consequences from your employer, family, or friends.

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steavoh 4 days ago

You didn't read the article

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VinCulprit 2 days ago

I didn’t either till now, gonna have to read up on the civil pseudonym thing. Find that hard to believe with places like 4chan as an example. But if I care about my online persona I could see it.

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BHOP_TO_NEUROFUNK 4 days ago

wouldn't it be nice if you didn't run the risk of getting fired by some woke megacorp for saying that there are two genders? that would be nice

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VinCulprit 2 days ago

Wouldn’t also be nice for people to be held accountable for something stupid they said or did once? While I do get your point. It 2020 people get offended by almost anything these days. We all cringe at something we did a while back that embarrassed ourselves, but that’s how we learn. If you have no recourse for what you do maybe people won’t learn? I am all for freedom an anonymity of the internet, but when you see how hateful people can be, nazis, cultists, pedos, etc. do you really want them being able to disappear into anonymity? Idk just my input. Too tired to make sense of thoughts now.

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BHOP_TO_NEUROFUNK 2 days ago

Yes. Extremists don't get deradicalized by removing anonymity. They just adapt. They're not stupid, they'll see stuff like that and feel justified because their enemy is trying to destroy the anonymity of many just to silence them.

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VinCulprit 2 days ago

Damn those extremist they ruin everything!

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DrippinMonkeyButt 4 hs ago

Bet Fentanyl supply is taking a beating.

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StonedAlbatross 4 hs ago

Take this shit down, I don’t need my plug reading this

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UnitGod 1 h ago

LMFAO

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rickjackwood 5 hs ago

Wait... cocaine is still ok right? Tell me the blow is ok!!!

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CampfireGuitars 5 hs ago

Ya I hate a meth price increase. My guy never gives me 90 days notice

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Afraid-Chest 5 hs ago

Vi bliver nød til at nationalisere heroin produktionen.

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HIVnotAdeathSentence 5 hs ago

That's a good thing, we'll finally win the War on Drugs.

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rol-6 6 hs ago

Paranoia is wrecking our whole economy

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danmac1152 6 hs ago

Damn😒😒

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SmoteySmote 6 hs ago

Picked a bad month to quit sniffing glue.

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UncleBenji 6 hs ago

The silver lining of one pandemic is stemming the flow of a drug epidemic.

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Le_Cuz 5 hs ago

Chances are it really won't.

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dethb0y 6 hs ago

It's almost as if "America's" drug problem is actually a Chinese Manufactured problem.

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giannipunawny 6 hs ago

In other words, if the government really wanted to stop drugs, they could.

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viennery 6 hs ago

I wonder if the manufacturers will attempt selling their products in China to keep the revenue flow going. Could be a good thing, because then the Chinese government might start taking them seriously and actually crack down and put a stop to them.

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RzK 6 hs ago

AKA just Fentanyl, one of many issues China mass-produced for the world.

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NormalAndy 6 hs ago

Government may have trouble surviving!

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Skibumntahoe 7 hs ago

? I wonder where they got the info? Just yesterday I heard from a meth addict that meth is at a all time low in price. He was trying to get together $125 usd for an OUNCE of meth! I was like WTF? I've never done the stuff, but run a motel in Tacoma, Wa. This blew me away. If this is how cheap that crap is it's no wonder so many people are addicted to it.

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I_Looove_Pizza 7 hs ago

Thanks China

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BruisedPurple 7 hs ago

We're they not in the stimulus package?

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MarkusPhi 7 hs ago

A doubling in price of coca leaves in columbia leads to an increase of cocaine prices in new york by about 0.5%. I doubt that the effects on consumer prices in this case are much different

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PedicularRose 7 hs ago

That's a good thing, that their supply is running low!

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FreeSpeachcicle 7 hs ago

We need a bailout for our poor drug dealers...

/s

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drleimajorz 7 hs ago

The fact that this is considered news is kinda disturbing. Like really, who is sitting around going “shit, prices are going out on drugs, better start that go fund me page now”.

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chukk27 7 hs ago

Someone needs to regulate the prices on these product. If not the consumer will pay gor it

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ghlibisk 7 hs ago

Guess I'll stick with weed, MDMA, acid, and mushrooms in these trying times.

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ndk666 5 hs ago

and in the other times too for good measure..

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justsomeotherperson 6 hs ago

Samesies! *air high five*

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MeatsimN64 Old people should die to save the stock market Yesterday

“We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

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West-Requirement Yesterday

u r retrd of the day.

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ProBenji Yesterday

Seriously, how the fuck do mods let this shit get posted? This has already been discussed a million times (and posted) today. This sub is fucking terrible because of how its managed now.

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TheGUHboyyyyyy Yesterday

Wow thanks for the breaking news.

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Wendysmanager24 Yesterday

pRiCeD iN sPy 5/15 300c

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DjangoNinja Yesterday

ALWAYS bet on Donald to say dumb shit. Bears 4eva.

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inervoice Yesterday

Nothing dumb about it, it's called *controlling the news cycle.* Don't misunderestimate the Stable Genius!

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DjangoNinja Yesterday

You forgot a /s. I know we have autists on the sub but pretending Donald can form a legible sentence much less 4d chess is just retardation.

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inervoice Yesterday

He is gifted. He has a talent. Those news conferences he has been doing have been absolutely brilliant. Listen to the words and phrases. "invisible enemy" "no one's fault" "not their fault" "wartime" "unforeseeable" Him and his team (Bannon, Miller, etc) are world-class propagandists. George Creed would be awed! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Public_Information Their work will go in the history books, it will be studied for generations, and the fact that you can't see it, that is the level of genius we are talking about!

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RssnGopnik Yesterday

You’re 7 hours too late

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bullbearlovechild Yesterday

Broken news...

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minkusmart Yesterday

It could be Great Depression 2.0 but i wish it will not.

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pepperpepper47 Yesterday

The middle class will be wiped out.

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damianlau Yesterday

I preferred to say 1929 instead of 2009

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hasad802 Yesterday

We heading towards 1930s here.

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taelien Yesterday

Guys, neo depression era will be cool. We can just eat bread and hang out while not working 69 hour weeks.

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babydolleffie Yesterday

I'll bring some jam and jailhouse alcohol everything will be FINE

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NoDD-214 Yesterday

We got the roaring 20s then fast forwarded straight to the great depression 😂

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taelien Yesterday

We both got downvoted for some reason

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NoDD-214 Yesterday

Well I'll give you an upvote. People get so butthurt and offended on this sub lol.

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Mestewart3 Yesterday

It fucking blows my mind that all the workers and all the buildings and all the actual physical goods can still be here, yet people are going to lose their homes and go hungry because rich assholes control so much of the imaginary representation of that wealth.

Seriously, if we had a competent and humane government the first step to a depression of the scale proposed here would be nationalizing all the banks, canceling all the debt, and seizing the assets of all the corporations.

There is more than enough food, and fuel, and consumable resources to put a two month pause on our economy. The only victims necessary are the pocket books of the rich.

Edit: my original comment is really emotional and aggressive so I want to outline my thoughts in a less combative/more productive way down here.

The basic issue is that recessions aren't caused by a failure in the wealth of the nation/planet. They are caused by the messy shifts in the money that represents this wealth. Our monetary system is a massively complicated beast that spans from physical dollars to investments in funds that purchase debts based on forecasts of their interest profits. Mismatches between the imaginary money and the physical wealth are what cause recessions.

If a recession like the one proposed in the article happens because the millions of individual actors whose value is made up largely of stocks and ownership of debt are acting in their own self interest. These actors are the people with the most to loose. In recessions they are often the ones who lose the least.

Nationalizing the economy at the expense of the banking class would shift the costs of this recession from the livelihoods of the common people to the excess of the wealthy. This is a vastly preferable outcome in my mind because nobody dies. The wealthy still have all their mansions, and sports cars, and yachts they will be fine. Meanwhile the people get to keep their jobs, homes, and health.

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Woodie626 Yesterday

I tried to upvote you twice.

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Vincent_Blackshadow Yesterday

Stuffing the ballot box? Get him, boys!

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gatechthrowaway1873 Yesterday

Which is why we need to end the quarantine and get back to work.

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NoDD-214 Yesterday

You realize that that will likely lead to further spread, more deaths, and consequentially an even longer shutdown, right?

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gatechthrowaway1873 Yesterday

> even longer shutdown, right? No need to shutdown, more infected = faster heard immunity which is unavoidable at this point.

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ElectionAssistance Yesterday

There is as of yet zero evidence for or against recovering from coronavirus granting immunity. It may be like trying to develop immunity to bullets. We don't know. Great plan. This is less good than your constitutional arguments.

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NoDD-214 Yesterday

You're gonna get downvoted for this comment by everyone, but the issue is that you're actually right.

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ElectionAssistance Yesterday

It is very likely that there will be immunity, or at least resistance, but it certainly doesn't always work that way. There are viruses that we can get again and again and again. Hell there are some that reset the whole immune system so even things you were previously immune to you can now get again. Looking at you, measles. Things like this are [not encouraging either.](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/822407626/mystery-in-wuhan-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positive?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR3Ala1iYc9yK5c-fMLtKcD_DLLJ0T7UtDJKJw3ndaO4c_61HDt5kTHX7_k)

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NoDD-214 Yesterday

Yeah, there was a case like that early on in Osaka.

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ElectionAssistance Yesterday

An early one with someone landing in Israel too. Was confirmed to be negative before getting on the plane, when he landed Israeli authorities tested him again, and positive.

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NoDD-214 Yesterday

I'm a little less worried about stuff like that, the first test could have just been a false negative.

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ElectionAssistance Yesterday

It could have been for sure, but there is starting to be a trend of these false negatives if that is the case, and most recovering patients require multiple negative tests to declare them to be recovered. Multiple back to back false negatives? Seems less likely, I think nCoV is doing something odd. A reservoir of a different cell type perhaps where the virus replicates much slower to cause a second wave of infection? More data needed, like just about every other aspect right now.

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burns_CEO Yesterday

copied from /r/askscience. TLDR there is apparently immunity but no one knows how long for [https://www.boston.com/news/health/2020/03/25/can-you-become-immune-to-the-coronavirus](https://www.boston.com/news/health/2020/03/25/can-you-become-immune-to-the-coronavirus) By **Apoorva Mandavilli**, The New York Times Company March 25, 2020 As the number of people infected with the coronavirus surpasses 450,000 worldwide, and more than 1 billion are locked in their homes, scientists are wrestling with one of the most pressing questions of the pandemic: Do people who survive the infection become immune to the virus?The answer is a qualified yes, with some significant unknowns. That’s important for several reasons.People who are confirmed to be immune could venture from their homes and help shore up the workforce until a vaccine becomes available, for example. In particular, health care workers who are known to be immune could continue to care for the severely ill. Growing immunity in the community also is the way the epidemic ends: With fewer and fewer people to infect, the coronavirus will lose its toehold and even the most vulnerable citizens become more insulated from the threat. Immunity may also bring an early treatment. Antibodies gathered from the bodies of those who have recovered may be used to aid those struggling with the illness caused by the coronavirus, called COVID-19. On Tuesday, the Food and Drug Administration approved the use of plasma from recovered patients to treat some severe cases. A day earlier, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced that New York would become the first state to begin testing serum from people who have recovered from COVID-19 to treat those who are seriously ill. “It’s a trial for people who are in serious condition, but the New York State Department of Health has been working on this with some of New York’s best health care agencies, and we think it shows promise,” Cuomo said. The body’s first line of defense against an infectious virus is an antibody called immunoglobulin M, whose job is to stay vigilant in the body and alert the rest of the immune system to intruders like viruses and bacteria. Days into an infection, the immune system refines this antibody into a second type, called immunoglobulin G, exquisitely designed to recognize and neutralize a specific virus. The refinement may take as long as a week; both the process and the potency of the final antibodies can vary. Some people make powerful neutralizing antibodies to an infection, while others mount a milder response. The antibodies generated in response to infection with some viruses — polio or measles, for example — bestow a lifetime of immunity. But antibodies to the coronaviruses that cause the common cold persist for just one to three years — and that may be true of their new cousin as well. A study in macaques infected with the new coronavirus suggested that once infected, the monkeys produce neutralizing antibodies and resist further infection. But it is unclear how long the monkeys, or people infected with the virus, will remain immune. Most people who became infected during the SARS epidemic — that virus is a close cousin of the new coronavirus, called SARS-CoV-2 — had long-term immunity lasting eight to 10 years, said Vineet D. Menachery, a virologist at the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston. Those who recovered from MERS, another coronavirus, saw much shorter-term protection, Menachery said. People who have been infected with the new coronavirus may have immunity lasting at least one to two years, he added: “Beyond that, we can’t predict.” Still, even if antibody protection were short-lasting and people became reinfected, the second bout with the coronavirus would likely be much milder than the first, said Florian Krammer, a microbiologist at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York. Even after the body stops producing neutralizing antibodies, a subset of immune memory cells can reactivate a response effectively, he noted. “You probably would make a good immune response before you even become symptomatic again and might really blunt the course of the disease,” Krammer said. A crucial question is whether children and adults who have only mild symptoms still generate a strong enough response to remain immune to the virus until a vaccine is available. Dr. Marion Koopmans, a virologist at Erasmus University in Rotterdam, and her team have screened antibody responses in 15 infected patients and health care workers. The researchers are also using banked blood samples from about 100 people who were known to be infected with one of four coronaviruses known to cause the common cold. If those samples show some immune response to the new coronavirus, too, Koopmans said, it might explain why some people — children, for example — have only mild symptoms. They may have antibodies to related coronaviruses that are at last somewhat effective against the new one.

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NoDD-214 Yesterday

More infected = fully overwhelming our already severely stressed healthcare system and causing avoidable deaths (not just of corona patients either).

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Giles-TheLibrarian Yesterday

Umm... yeah no. We need a bigger shutdown to stop this.

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gatechthrowaway1873 Yesterday

And go into a deep depression?

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Giles-TheLibrarian Yesterday

Whats the point if you’re dead?

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gatechthrowaway1873 Yesterday

1% death rate. A depression would kill way more.

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Giles-TheLibrarian Yesterday

First of all, that is not the death rate. Second, you can’t get an accurate death rate until the pandemic is over. Sars had a 3% death rate in the beginning then it got changed to 10% after it was over. And thats not counting the majority of the people who never truly recovered from the lung damage in SARS. We don’t know the effects of this virus long term. You want to open things back up, you push hospitals to their breaking points. That will kill way way more people. I’d rather be alive but broke for a few years than dead but rich.

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gatechthrowaway1873 Yesterday

Death rate of those infected (including asymptomatic) It is called IFR not CFR if you want to do further research.

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zefronkimmle Yesterday

Yes master, the all might dollar is more important then my life or my family's safety.

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gatechthrowaway1873 Yesterday

If you had it your way, 1 billion people would starve in a global famine . Economic policy will save lives

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Moetoefoeka Yesterday

lol

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Shnoochieboochies Yesterday

It's a throwaway, just ignore the cowards, stay safe

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Shnoochieboochies Yesterday

A bullet is no bigger than a finger nail, I fear those as well

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gatechthrowaway1873 Yesterday

My bullets are way bigger than a finger nail. 50 cal bullet weighs several pounds.

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EmoEnforcer Yesterday

Hey all, I was like 11 years old in 2009. Can someone tell me what the 2009 recession was?

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coversongx Yesterday

The 2008 financial crisis was the worst recession since the Great Depression. Basically a bunch of banks were lending out money to people who had no business getting loans, then selling them as securities. This caused housing prices to go up, propping up economic spending and people buying houses. Once these people started defaulting on the loans, the banks basically couldn't pay for anything and went bankrupt, causing the whole banking system to fail. Housing prices dropped so spending dropped, causing the Great Recession. It took 3 years to recover GDP, 4 years to recover household net worth, and 7 years to recover unemployment. Similar to this, quarantining is causing spending to drop. Businesses are shut down, manufacturers are shut down. With less money spent, more people lose jobs, which means less money spent. While this will cause a recession, luckily the government learned a lot on how to manage a huge crisis so hopefully this won't be as bad.

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NoDD-214 Yesterday

It was a fucking pain in the ass even for my 16 year old self. I remember I was worried my parents were going to lose the house and so were they. Whole lot of cutbacks and penny pinching. Hopefully this time isn't worse, if it is I'll have to re-enlist.....that would suck lol.

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EmoEnforcer Yesterday

Boy ive got some news for you then [may not have to re enlist](https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fqftat/trump_issues_order_to_bring_former_troops_back_to/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)

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NoDD-214 Yesterday

I ain't even worried about getting activated, I've still got two years left on a six year active duty contract. Some of my boys are about to get fucked hard though! Lol, stupid fuckers really thought the military wasn't gonna screw them one last time.😆

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EmoEnforcer Yesterday

For real though lmao

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1incongruity Yesterday

Shit was fucked then but you know it was a regular old recession. No jobs, mass layoffs , people out of business etc etc but most survived one way or another. Now its about to hit the fan. Because you have added a potentially life threatening pandemic and mass lockdowns in the mix.

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SirLunchmeat Yesterday

The whole model is failing in spectacular fashion

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Shnoochieboochies Yesterday

Watch "The Big Short" if you are in isolation for a complete guide. It was actually 2008, governments and banks handing out loans, credit and mortgages to anyone with a thumb, majority of people couldn't pay these loans back, government's and banks still handing money out like it has no consequence. When no-one paid the money back, recession ensued.

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GTRV95 Yesterday

Margin Call, too. Both are good for learning about CDOs/CDSs/subprime market.

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tr_24 Yesterday

Margin call doesn't really explain the whole issue.

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GTRV95 Yesterday

Allows you to see the people who caused the mass selling to start, not the people that shorted it. But I agree with you

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n_attila Yesterday

It was a small recession, nothing compared to what's about to come. The director of the IMF is playing captain obvious. To restart the economy after this will be something like restarting the economy after a big war, with the difference that you don't have to rebuild the infrastructure this time.

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Cachecash Yesterday

Lots of foreclosures

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DrunkCanadianGuy Yesterday

A recession, in 2009.

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EmoEnforcer Yesterday

I see. Thank you, kind scholar.

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poopiehands Yesterday

Flea bite compared to the bullet hole we're about to endure

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EmoEnforcer Yesterday

I mean yeah, considering the whole planet is shutting down.

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HbRipper Yesterday

We chose economy over health, we will have neither

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Amitius Yesterday

We can rebuild everything as long as we are still alive and healthy . Even if the death rate for the young people is low , many covid infected people would need years to be fully recover, that is alot manpower wasted away that can be used to recover the country economy from this pandemic .

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MrUnknownorNobody Yesterday

Where did you get this fucking information that people need YEARS to fully recover from a coronavirus infection?

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Amitius Yesterday

from FICM , you may need up to 15 years to recover from COVID 19 . the virus is not just some flu.

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z57 Yesterday

There are several reports of [breathing challenges ](https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-recovery-damage-lung-function-gasping-air-hong-kong-doctors-2020-3?r=US&IR=T) once released from hospital. Also [SARS](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41413-020-0084-5#Sec3) a close “cousin” has [reports](https://thorax.bmj.com/content/60/5/361) of people taking 6 months to 2 years to recover.

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Bobby3127 Yesterday

The US already threw what.. 8 trillion dollars at staving off a further decline in the stock market now.

And we’re probably still in the 3rd inning...

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watupboy101 Yesterday

6!

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cough_landing_on_you Yesterday

3rd inning of the first wave.

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LdarThenDeath Yesterday

Just wait until the suicides and crime start . I wonder , which will people be scared of more ?

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watupboy101 Yesterday

Trump said the suicides and crime are worse than the invisible enemy he has declared war on so..

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spicy_red_buffalo Yesterday

So downplaying again?

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Beamsters Yesterday

No, suicides and crimes are 100% worse than the virus that you can just stay home and survive.

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z57 Yesterday

Going to be a full blown depression.

Edit: a word

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OlRoy60 38 mins ago

For question 1, your answer is Trump only banned travel from the 2 hotspots at the time and by not including all countries he is a racist xenophobe. Right, ok.

Question 2. Unanswered. Why are Democrats balking at Trumps suggestion that NYC go into lockdown?

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TheyH8tUsCuzTheyAnus 53 mins ago

He failed the biggest test of his life when he lost his father's real estate empire to bankruptcy and had to get in bed with the Russian mafia to recover his wealth 20+ years ago.

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suggarstalk 1 h ago

What defined this man's existence is incoherence. His statements, his actions, his policies, his appointments, they all make me go Huh?

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epicurean56 1 h ago

March 29 Trump: It would have 2.2 million deaths if we had done nothing.

So, by keeping the deaths between 100k and 200k he thinks he's doing a good job?

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Slinger2 5 hs ago

oranGe Man BAD.

What about WHO tweeting out we all good because China told us so?

WHO no bad?

Only ORANGE maN.

Want to say anything about China’s complicity in this? Anyone? No one? Orange MAN. Grrrrr. BAD.

I can’t wait for four more years and watching you TDS folks maybe cross the finish line.

Enjoy.

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rouxgaroux00 5 hs ago

Both Trump and China are responsible for the COVID situation in the US. They are not mutually exclusive. Replace COVID with any other extra-national threat and a presidential failure is still a presidential failure. Just because China is responsible for lying to the rest of the world doesn't mean Trump isn't responsible for not listening to scientists and preparing the country anyway. In fact, if he already thinks China is untruthful, then he logically bears *more* responsibility because he still didn't prepare the country even under the assumption that China was falsifying reports.

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Wayne_Skylar 5 hs ago

When I saw videos of China WELDING fuckers in their houses in January I knew shit was going to be bad. You can blame China or WHO all you want but Trump shit the bed on this one. I wish he hadn't but this is where we are. Yeah he banned flights from China but is he fucking stupid? Did he think that nobody who was infected didn't get on a plane from Wuhan to the US? Is it really too hard to believe he was slow to act because he didn't want to ruin the economy? Can you get your head out of your ass for a fucking second and give an honest assessment of where we are, how we got here, and what we should be doing now? I am going to guess that you can't because you didn't even read the fucking article. But yeah, enjoy lapping up those 'liberal tears' while thousands die needless deaths. It's all just a Democrat hoax right?

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TheHoleInTheTree 5 hs ago

Well, there were obvious, huge mistakes that he and his administration made, and that is what the article is talking about. Should every article that is critical of one entity always criticize all other entities which are complicit? Not really. "Orange Man Bad" can be an issue when there is nothing of substance being presented against him or an issue where he had no role to play is being made about him, but the failure of a national government in handling the crisis as poorly as his has is not just "orange man bad".

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Maladal 7 hs ago

Laboratories and hospitals would finally be allowed to conduct their own Covid-19 tests to speed up the process.

Do private companies need permission from the government to create test kits? Creating actual vaccines I could see there being bureaucracy to go through, but why does just testing require it?

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SaulKD 6 hs ago

Medical tests need approval from the FDA for safety and effectiveness. I mean look as companies like [Theranos](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theranos). If you don't regulate tests then anybody can say they can test for all kinds of diseases and then just give you a bunch of nonsense test results. The South Koreans told industry that they would fast track approval and ended up giving it to them a day after submission. America didn't have any such deal with private companies nor did they adopt the German developed test adopted by the WHO. Instead they relied on a single source, the test being developed by the CDC, which ended up failing.

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eatMyNerd 7 hs ago

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." from Rahm Emanuel and every other politician.

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domestic-nomad 7 hs ago

like rise above partisan garbage and NOT refuse services because the governor is a democrat

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Stolichnayaaa 6 hs ago

Because honestly that’s why you’re there. After all the decades of eating shit and kissing ass. After all the compromises and all the disappointment. When you go back to why you wanted to do this whole fucking thing in the first place, because shit wasn’t right the way it was. Because something needed fixing and goddammit you were the one to fix it. You should be calm and ready because for fucks sake this is not your fault. It’s not about politics. It’s about what needs to get done to keep people safe and sound. And that’s why you got into this, in the first place. Right?

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profstenny 5 hs ago

For a normal politician? Yes. Trump, on the other hand, got into this to try and dig himself out of billions in debt...

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domestic-nomad 6 hs ago

yes exactly.

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Claque-2 7 hs ago

Like get PPE out in quantity to every region.

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faceeatingleopard Bernie Sanders → :Joe_button: 8 hs ago

One of the things I miss most is the humility of leaders to know what they don't know. Obama had that. I'm sure Biden will too. I don't expect Biden to sit in a lab and cure coronovirus in an afternoon, but I DO expect him to defer to experts and not just say whatever dumb thing pops into his head like trump does. He's not a doctor, nor am I nor is trump so I'd really like an administration that actually listens to the expert advice they're privy to.

Surround yourself with brilliant people and LISTEN to them when they speak, that's what they're for.

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AceTenSuited :Beto: Beto O'Rourke for Joe 4 hs ago

>Surround yourself with brilliant people and LISTEN to them when they speak, that's what they're for. That is a great point. And I would add that a good leader must surround themselves with brilliant people who tell the truth to power, not just what they want or need to hear. Surrounding yourself with sycophants and ass kissers ensures you are not likely to ever hear the truth until it's too late. Trump and his top dogs make people to afraid to speak up even if they know better so we need the opposite of that in my opinion.

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faceeatingleopard Bernie Sanders → :Joe_button: 4 hs ago

Exactly, couldn't have put it better myself. You need someone to get in your face and say "Listen, Mr. President, here's where we are" and then he actually listens to them, even if the news isn't good. Yesmen are as worthless as the narcissist who loves them.

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eatMyNerd 9 hs ago

It's worth discussing if he and his henchmen wanted a larger crisis. They're getting everything they want: bigger wealth transfer resulting in (soon) bigger cuts to entitlements plus massive deregulation. If a gift to them.

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ARandomEuropeanGuy :EU: Europeans for Joe 9 hs ago

He was more worried about the economy. So he chose to ignore it and gamble it wasn't gonna be bad.

Now he lost both gambles, the economy is tanking and the US will be the worst hit nation.

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Wayne_Skylar 7 hs ago

It's really sad that it is taking this kind of event for people to learn what competency looks like. My fear is that we won't even learn the lesson. Half the country has known he's so full of shit all these years and the other half is just blind to it.

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ARandomEuropeanGuy :EU: Europeans for Joe 6 hs ago

When Trump supporters only watch Fox news its no surprise they think hes doing a good job. Fox news went from a decent conservative news channel to a Trump speaking bubble in 4 years time.

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BeveledCarpetPadding 10 hs ago

Remember, its just a hoax from the democrats to get 'mericas Lord and savior out of office! They tried impeachment, and now ANOTHER hoax? If this bullshit virus is even real, Trump did the best he could! #MAGA /s

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garboooge 10 hs ago

It’s pretty important to understand the direct impact that the anti-intellectual/anti-science movement has had. Scientists knew what was going to happen, but the people in power consider science to be part of the deep state. Now, we pay for this both economically and in body count.

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NGC18-Cowboys- 10 hs ago

I love this we can end up with the most deaths and most people infected and trump will say he did everything perfectly

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Something_More 11 hs ago

This is very ironic.

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LeoMarius 11 hs ago

Of course he failed. Every crisis of his Presidency has been some self-inflicted wound, like firing Comey, triggering the Mueller investigation, to trying to put some hoax on Biden so that that Trump broke the law in Ukraine.

Now, he's faced with a real crisis. We elect a President to guide us through dark times like this, and we've got this evil clown in charge, more interested in his own image than the lives of millions of Americans.

Trump is completely unsuited for public office, and enough fools voted for him that he squeaked by to become President with a -3 million vote mandate. Now we have the worst Pandemic in a century, and people are going to die from his incompetence.

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Eagleglen 13 hs ago

Please, can anyone explain his current 47% approval rating? It boggles my mind. How can so many in this country be duped!

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tutetibiimperes 10 hs ago

The $1,200 checks everyone will be getting is probably improving views on him to a degree, it's the first positive thing I can think of coming from his administration.

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etherspin 11 hs ago

Others who weren't super popular 6 months ago are near 70 Percent e.g. Andrew Cuomo. Bigger emergency or war related bumps happen to , e.g. Bush going from under 50.percent to the high 80s after 9/11

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LeoMarius 11 hs ago

At the same time, he's losing to Biden by 9 points. [https://www.mediaite.com/news/fox-news-poll-shows-joe-biden-crushing-trump-by-25-points-in-swing-counties/](https://www.mediaite.com/news/fox-news-poll-shows-joe-biden-crushing-trump-by-25-points-in-swing-counties/)

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AceTenSuited :Beto: Beto O'Rourke for Joe 11 hs ago

>Please, can anyone explain his current 47% approval rating? It's a rally around the flag and people trying to show solidarity. Bush's approval went over 80%-90%+ right after 911. The fact that Trump's is STILL so low and under 50% right now seems to mean he's screwing it up and people know it even if they are cutting him some slack. Here's Nate Silver's explanation: >#Yeah this seems important and suggests that a lot of Trump's approval bounce comes from Dems and indies who are trying to express sympathy at a time of national crisis but have no intention of voting for him. >https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1243702471081541632

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Quiderite 12 hs ago

He's getting an absolute ton of press. Those not affected by the virus yet attribute that to him. When the infected totals tens of millions he might be the first president in history to have single digit approval rating.

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rraattbbooyy 13 hs ago

It’s mostly hope. Similar to Bush’s high approval after 9/11. It will likely drop back down over time, as reality sets in, as things get worse, as his administration’s failings create more dire consequences.

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LeoMarius 11 hs ago

Between the appalling death toll and the crushing economic depression, he's doomed.

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Eagleglen 12 hs ago

I hope so! And I definitely believe things are going to get a lot worse. So if there is a bright spot, this should ensure we see the end of Trump come November.

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save_the_wee_turtles 14 hs ago

This is the story that everyone in the country needs to hear repeatedly until November

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AceTenSuited :Beto: Beto O'Rourke for Joe 15 hs ago

Both the USA and South Korea got their first case on exactly the same day. The similarities end there. One president mobilized the nation, the other went golfing.

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rraattbbooyy 12 hs ago

I remember when he said it was only one guy in Washington state. Completely contained. Nothing to worry about.

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LeoMarius 11 hs ago

He lies constantly. Only a fool would believe him now.

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itsabee94 13 hs ago

His incompetence always amazes me. It shouldn’t, because he fails each time. He’s a great lesson in cowardice.

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ArcadiaBaeEconomist 16 hs ago

An explanation of the mistakes Trump made, and a potential counterfactual: if the US had elected a competent leader in 2016, what would they have done?

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Brooke ⚡️ - @bitcoinmom

RT @milessuter: This week was the one year anniversary of the founding of @sqcrypto. Amazing to see the impact we are already having, and very confident that this is only the start. https://t.co/DTg6laGZzC https://t.co/iGA6VKoVIp

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Matt Odell - @matt_odell

RT @BitMEXResearch: Who funds Bitcoin development? We analyse the main organisations funding open source Bitcoin and Lightning development. The situation is more healthy than it has been in the past, with a higher degree of distribution among financial backers https://t.co/yaPzuzAjAj https://t.co/NBRvodyM6K

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Nick Szabo⚡️ - @NickSzabo4

RT @milessuter: This week was the one year anniversary of the founding of @sqcrypto. Amazing to see the impact we are already having, and very confident that this is only the start. https://t.co/DTg6laGZzC https://t.co/iGA6VKoVIp

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Marty Bent - @MartyBent

RT @milessuter: This week was the one year anniversary of the founding of @sqcrypto. Amazing to see the impact we are already having, and very confident that this is only the start. https://t.co/DTg6laGZzC https://t.co/iGA6VKoVIp

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Paul - @paul_btc

Resilience. Decentralization. Network effect. Barriers to entry. Bitcoin is unique. No other crypto currency comes even close. https://t.co/hv2RJqVVRp

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Kyle Torpey - @kyletorpey

Current funding of top 33 Bitcoin Core contributors by number of commits – number of developers via @BitMEXResearch More details here: https://t.co/XCPBsLPlGf https://t.co/p3K2PxJdEb

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Pierre Rochard - @pierre_rochard

RT @BitMEXResearch: Who funds Bitcoin development? We analyse the main organisations funding open source Bitcoin and Lightning development. The situation is more healthy than it has been in the past, with a higher degree of distribution among financial backers https://t.co/yaPzuzAjAj https://t.co/NBRvodyM6K

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nic carter - @nic__carter

If someone ever tells you that bitcoin needs a protocol-financed slush fund, or that developer financing is a “tragedy of the commons”, send them this https://t.co/YKwQDBwiWO

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Christopher Wheeler - @Stocktrader

Who funds Bitcoin development? | BitMEX Blog - BitMEX https://t.co/dhHW2J8TdB

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Leigh Cuen - @La__Cuen

RT @JeremyRubin: Swell article on core dev funding! Under funded development is one of the biggest 'non balance sheet' liabilities for Bitcoin companies and hodlrs. Hopefully this article inspires more companies to take responsibility and fund more development :) https://t.co/E3LMJBuI11

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Jeremy Rubin - @JeremyRubin

Swell article on core dev funding! Under funded development is one of the biggest 'non balance sheet' liabilities for Bitcoin companies and hodlrs. Hopefully this article inspires more companies to take responsibility and fund more development :) https://t.co/E3LMJBuI11

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Dennis Parker⚡️ - @Xentagz

RT @BitMEXResearch: Who funds Bitcoin development? We analyse the main organisations funding open source Bitcoin and Lightning development. The situation is more healthy than it has been in the past, with a higher degree of distribution among financial backers https://t.co/yaPzuzAjAj https://t.co/NBRvodyM6K

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Samson Mow - @Excellion

Blockstream is the OG of funding #Bitcoin development. Things are good now, but try to imagine the environment back then - very hard as a dev to get a job or funding. I also saw BTCC on the list too which is nice. Credit for BTCC contributing goes to me though. 😄 https://t.co/lr9x4Z5mse

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John Pfeffer - @jlppfeffer

RT @BitMEXResearch: Who funds Bitcoin development? We analyse the main organisations funding open source Bitcoin and Lightning development. The situation is more healthy than it has been in the past, with a higher degree of distribution among financial backers https://t.co/yaPzuzAjAj https://t.co/NBRvodyM6K

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Jonas Schnelli - @_jonasschnelli_

RT @BitMEXResearch: Who funds Bitcoin development? We analyse the main organisations funding open source Bitcoin and Lightning development. The situation is more healthy than it has been in the past, with a higher degree of distribution among financial backers https://t.co/yaPzuzAjAj https://t.co/NBRvodyM6K

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earthmoonsun 16 hs ago

lol much decentralized veri satoshi

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bibone1 13 hs ago

Reporter: 'Sir, there is this new thing called email. it's fast, instant' BSVtard: 'No! Postal mail works. Set in stone. Forever. Scales = Just throw more pigeons to send post. Pigeons are free to compete in this forever fixed game = decentralised'

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eatmybitcorn 14 hs ago

A bitcoin following the white paper and where no single Dev has power over the protocol is the only decentralised protocol. Set in stone = decentralised! >The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime.

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earthmoonsun 13 hs ago

Something written down has no relation to something being centralized or decentralized. There's no relation between those two characteristics. That makes no sense. The development of BSV is the most centralized one among all cryptos. Everything is controlled by the people behind nChain. And with everything I not only mean the development, but the entire ecosystem, including most of the mining.

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eatmybitcorn 13 hs ago

What do you mean? Once version 0.1 was released miners only had to follow it. The rules of the protocol were then layed out for the rest of its existence. I don't know why we should give away the authority to a small group of developers to dictate what bitcoin is, it seems very centralised. I understand that the whole purpose of this thread is to compare apples with oranges. My remark, and the reason I chose Bitcoin sv, is that we don't need protocol developer and certainly not hundreds of them competing for attention and making up fake resons to continue developing. BTC has an very centralised power structure it was very clear during the 1 mb blocksize debacle. There isn't any ongoing development on the protocol level with bsv so I'm not sure what you mean?

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earthmoonsun 13 hs ago

> I don't know why we should give away the authority to a small group of developers to dictate what bitcoin is But that is exactly the problem with BSV. Without Calvin and Craig this project is dead. BSV is them. 100% centralized, more than any other coin. More than BTC or BCH. >we don't need protocol developer If you don't develop anything further, it dies. First, because you need to eliminate errors. The original Bitcoin protocol had bugs. Bugs which are not within today's BTC, BCH, and BSV. Second, if you don't grow, change, adapt, your competitors become better, and you disappear, too. Sticking to the original concept paper just for the sake of it wasn't Satoshi's intention. Pretty obvious when you read through is old bitcointalk posts.

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eatmybitcorn 12 hs ago

You put an equal sign between protocol development and client development You are dishonest. Bye.

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BitSoMi 12 hs ago

Code isnt allowed to develop. Bugs arent allowed to get squashed. SET IN STONE. Most bullshit narrative ever

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-uncle-jimbo- 9 hs ago

lol, ridiculous. why not fix the bugs? the protocol "development" is the issue. (limiting blocksize, rbf, segwit, ctor, whatever) and shitlord tax of course :D

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eatmybitcorn Yesterday

You are talking protocol devs now aren't you? We don't want that in Bitcoin.

The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime.

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BitSoMi 17 hs ago

I always love when people quote Satoshi, as if it would mean anything. He abandoned bitcoin a long time ago, other people picked it up and now we are here. Will lightning succeed? who knows, maybe another 18 months \^\^, but the market is telling you guys that it doesnt matter ,)

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eatmybitcorn 14 hs ago

The total savage murdering of possible use cases and the negative adoption by corporations. Has led to a market that struggle to put food on the table for miners and this in a time that bitcoin should shine. BTC is extremely weak and the only reason is that Core devs are economic incumbents and amateurs. Craig is showing you the light. I'm sorry that you are to blind to see.

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BitSoMi 12 hs ago

Miners are doing fine on btc, dont think the 1$ fee per block on BSV is putting food on the table for miners, regardless how much as you want it to be

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CityBusDriverBitcoin The busboy Yesterday

Pretty much it, those people need to get lost with Lighning Network of failed Blockstream. Holy shit, 2015 to 2020 ? Can you deliver Something ? I wish that was a video game and we could erase those stupid mistakes. FU

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eatmybitcorn Yesterday

It's really amazing how little they have accomplished in terms of value added. Somehow i think in terms of lightbulb jokes when try to describe the none value added developer situation of BTC and BCH.  How many devs does it take for Bitcoin to scale? All of them + (current date) + 18 month.  How many developers does it take for Bitcoin to scale? Hundred. Fifty to assure you that it's not possible on-chain while the rest focus on development of another network called lightning.  How many developers does it take for Bitcoin to scale? Two: one to figure out what to change Bitcoin too, and one to figure out what kind of broken scaling solution would create more need for developers.

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MrRGnome Yesterday

Another excellent piece from BitMex Research. Maybe this will be useful reading for every conspiratorial lunatic that insist blockstream controls bitcoin. They don't have the technical literacy to read the git but they might be able to read this.

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Bitcoin_to_da_Moon 14 hs ago

> Maybe this will be useful reading for every conspiratorial lunatic that insist blockstream controls bitcoin. it only got 1 upvote - so no. post a stupid price topic and you will get 100 upvotes :-x

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Bitcoin_to_da_Moon Yesterday

ty, very interesting. :)

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theexistentialdread Yesterday

Are they going door to door in every county or only in those that are popular summer vacation hotspots for New Yorkers???

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MSV34 9 hs ago

Seems like they're only going to homes where LEO can confirm NYers rent or own the property maybe by the registry of deeds or license plates. https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/rhode-island-sending-cops-national-guard-to-find-new-yorkers-seeking-coronavirus-refuge/ The way I read the article is that they aren't going to every home in coastal towns.

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captain_carrot 7 hs ago

They are visiting homes based on tax records of who has a mailing address in NY state.

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theexistentialdread 5 hs ago

Thank you both!

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Internetuser1234321 Yesterday

Last time I checked, being a New Yorker isn’t a protected class, they aren’t stopping people from coming into the state and they are enforcing health guidelines within their state. Seriously, what’s the big deal? I think this is prudent, not perfect but people really should try to be doing what’s best for the public vs themselves right now.

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voneahhh 9 hs ago

Because it doesn’t matter if they’re from New York or not. There isn’t a “New York” strain of the virus, it’s already in every state, including Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, and RI who all have done a far worse job of testing and thus have far more people with the virus than we know. This is coming off like a witch hunt for orange and blue plates rather than something done for public health.

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Internetuser1234321 9 hs ago

Seriously? Nobody is saying it’s a New York disease but we are trying to stop the spread. There are cases everywhere but it’s prudent to stop people from seeding other areas and creating more hotspots. I can’t believe people are making this isn’t a thing, it’s just smart policy.

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voneahhh 9 hs ago

> but it’s prudent to stop people from seeding other areas and creating more hotspots. Couldn’t agree more, but this isn’t doing that. This is picking out the New Yorkers while turning a blind eye to the infected from literally every other state. Honestly all states should just be locked down at this point except those with significant interstate ties, but most importantly every state needs to be doing a better job of testing so we can see the actual numbers of infected people. This is the opposite of a smart policy. New York’s only crime here is being the best at testing and having the most accurate numbers in the country. Every other state is half assing it, not testing people who clearly are infected, and toting low numbers.

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Internetuser1234321 8 hs ago

We do the same with other countries, monitoring or blocking people from counties that have high incident rates. It doesn’t mean we don’t keep our eye on people from the other countries, you’re just a lot more likely to see people come in that have the disease in an area that has a higher incident rate. If you’re trying to stop drugs on the border, do you build the same level of infrastructure to monitor in areas that have historically less people smuggling drugs? Same concept. You don’t staff 20 people in an area that has had 1 drug arrest in the past 10 years, you put 4 people and put the rest in areas that have higher incident rates. It’s basic logic.

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voneahhh 8 hs ago

Except that isn’t comparable to a virus spreading. It works with a finite resource like drugs because you can close your borders and eventually the drugs already existing in state are going to be used up. A virus is as finite as its hosts are, you can close your borders as much as you want but it’s going to spread within the existing population just as fast, especially when you create a boogeyman and people get complacent because they hear you got rid of those diseased New Yorkers that were the real problem all along. It’s legitimately a waste of resources specifically looking for New Yorkers when there are far more infected Rhode Islanders, Massholes, and Connecticut...ians? Than infected New Yorkers in RI. Not only is that futile and useless, but knocking on doors looking for people branded with Yankees hats is illegal and unconstitutional. There literally is no positive benefit to this. They should be closing the state off to everyone, branding one specific set of people because it makes for good in-state publicity is only doing more harm than good.

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Internetuser1234321 8 hs ago

There may be pockets in RI but you’re going to start getting more pockets as more infected people leave, and trust me, there are most likely infected people leaving New York. Since you are creating more pockets, your resources get spread thinner and you lose control. I get that we’ve lost containment but we are trying to get some control and to “flatten the curve” to help the burden. This is a minor thing that can help that and this should be a no brainer. Btw, I was talking about resources, not drugs vs the virus. I understand drugs are finite, virus is too to an extent, just like drugs can be produced as well as the virus reproduces, it’s just faster.

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prokcomp Yesterday

I hope people realize that this is actually forcing face-to-face (i.e., close proximity) interactions between carriers and public servants who will then go on to interact with many other people. It's literally asking to increase the spread. I mean really...you're going to go up to the homes of high-risk people, knock on their doors, and then speak to them? And this should stop the spread?

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ghazzie Yesterday

Posse Comitatus anyone?

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ibmtactful 12 hs ago

NG is not subject to Posse Comitatus

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brandnew_bitch Yesterday

😂

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jhgroton Yesterday

At least the ACLU has called her out already for this stupid plan: http://www.riaclu.org/news/post/aclu-statement-on-governors-plans-to-give-state-police-power-to-stop-cars-w

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DS617 East Providence Yesterday

So now our national guard, police, and state police have all been exposed to potential carriers.............. RIP

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hms_bollocks Yesterday

Finally! NY anf NJ need to be completely shut off until this pandemic passes.

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ass_account Yesterday

As a New Yorker, I will think twice about spending my money in Rhode Island over this. You can't suspend the constitution just because it feels like you're doing something. This wont stop any coronavirus cases in Rhode Island, it's just an authoritarian power flex.

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MSV34 Yesterday

Did you stop giving New York city money when Bloomberg rolled out stop and frisk? Asking for a friend. Thanks!

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ass_account 3 hs ago

No but I wrote to Bloomberg, called his office, and protested in the streets against it. Does that satisfy your whataboutism?

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2young2young Yesterday

Aaaaaand stay out.

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ass_account 2 hs ago

Roger that. Stay out of New York City when you're looking to get some culture.

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LongitudinalSpam Yesterday

It's just telling people to quarantine for a couple weeks, which if you're a responsible adult, you should be doing anyway. The constitution is not a suicide pact.

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ass_account 1 h ago

Don't worry, I am under the third week of my quarantine now. It's theater for intimidation purposes. It's not going to help your numbers in any noticeable way.

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heyyyinternet Yesterday

Oh no we're crushed.

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ass_account 1 h ago

Roger that. Stay out of New York City when you're looking to get some culture.

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heyyyinternet 1 h ago

Bitch I lived on Smith st in Brooklyn so I'll go where the fuck I like.

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ass_account 3 hs ago

Yeah man, when the coronavirus hits Providence look to see if NY state helps you out. I'll just say "You're welcome" in advance.

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heyyyinternet 3 hs ago

You can barely help yourselves my dude

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VS_portal Coventry Yesterday

But if rich NYers stop buying up our seaside property and inflating the prices to sit unoccupied for 3/4 of the year, then *we* might be able to live in our seaside communities, and then our cars would rust faster! Is it weird i picture the person issuing this "threat" as the monopoly man? Its a global pandemic, i think they can chill in their home for 14 days without suffering any lasting trauma. Im doing it, and my house sucks.

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heyyyinternet Yesterday

Lol. They thought we'd be like "omg no we need you."

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VS_portal Coventry Yesterday

It just wouldnt feel like home if i didnt have some random security guard kicking me off "their" beach. I think id rather be poor and surfcasting than begging for pennies from people so self centered that they are offended we ask them to quarantine when coming from the national epicenter of the global pandemic...

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heyyyinternet Yesterday

Exactly. They don't give a fuck about our coastal communities.

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Rambo1stBlood 17 hs ago

I also got that impression. I think it was when he said he wouldn't spend money in the state. anyone who likes your coast wouldn't immediately write it off for future travel lol

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VS_portal Coventry Yesterday

Not until they need a bug out shelter. Its not like we are denying them access, we just dont want to be Italy Jr. Well, at least not in the contemporary sense haha.

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VS_portal Coventry Yesterday

So we get our beaches and bars back through summer?

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ass_account 16 mins ago

Yeah and all your bars get to close because no tourists are supporting your tiny towns. Win win, right?

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deaddit64 Yesterday

This is definitely concerning.

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PravdaPaul Yesterday

Next week, people and businesses with residential rental properties in Rhode Island will get a formal notice from the state about quarantine rules: "The State of Rhode Island is instructing you to inform all property guests, renters, invitees, and occupants arriving in Rhode Island (e.g. those persons staying in hotels, vacation properties, short-term rentals, Airbnb’s, so-called, or other online rentals) of these requirements ... We also ask for your cooperation in ensuring that such persons report any applicable self-quarantines to the Rhode Island Department of Health ...

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nientedioriginale Yesterday

If this is a reminder of 1930s Germany then it's time to take a breather .

That's hyperbolic

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rigel434 Yesterday

You support national guard and law enforcement going door to door looking for people? Statist asshole

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nientedioriginale Yesterday

Hey you managed to fit a straw man and an ad hominem in sixteen words or less !!! Aces

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Brother_tempus Vote for Nobody Yesterday

Dems be Dems

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Striking_Currency Yesterday

The good news is that the national guard members who are going door to door are likely to be infected should NY residents be a legitimate risk and if there's a type of person I'm okay with getting the coronavirus, it's the people who'd comply with orders to do gestapo-esque door to door checks.

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Mist_Rising NAP doesn't apply to sold stolen goods Yesterday

Nat Guard is likely to be wearing special suits for the job.

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rigel434 Yesterday

I say just don’t answer the door or their questions. Film them too

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DynaBro33 Yesterday

Holy shit. Probable cause schmobible cause.

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rigel434 Yesterday

Jews were also seen as a “threat”

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HelloJoeyJoeJoe Yesterday

Yes, sadly still by the right-wing in 2020

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dzkrf Yesterday

It's CNN. They created the genre of FUD porn

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puddinbattle Yesterday

I think the main problem is it will do more as a “big brother play” than it will to stop there spread of disease, intentional or not.

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KJK998 Yesterday

I think people will take a military police officer more seriously when asked to self quarantine rather than a packet like CT is doing.

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Spider939 25U Yesterday

Boogaloo: Origins

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Spokker Yesterday

Rhode Island ain't fucking around lol

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WiceMan Yesterday

I think we all understand why no one wants to be in NY right now. However seeking refuge in RI of all states and coming from NY atm is risky. There's no way to know for sure you aren't coming here asymptomatic and unknowingly spreading in a state that lack the resources.

I also want to mention other states are doing the same as us so acting like it's only RI being taking precautions.

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Redstalin88 Yesterday

More like overstepping their powers this is not the 1940s you cant go door to door.

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mightynifty_2 Yesterday

I mean, if the mormons, girl scouts, and trick or treaters can go door to door I think the police can as well. Not like they're doing anything any other person couldn't do.

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Redstalin88 Yesterday

Trick or treaters and girl scouts are not going around telling people what to do.God this state is filled with morons with no common sense.

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mightynifty_2 Yesterday

I mean, trick or treaters literally show up and tell you what to do, but that's beside the point. You still haven't said what rights are being violated by having cops ring doorbells and inform people of the quarantine. They're literally *asking* for contact info, likely to keep those they visit informed on the situation.

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Heartkine Yesterday

Oh, please. By Memorial Day, Rhode Island’s population doubles. As a state we are not prepared for this influx of Coronavirus patients. Yes there have been mistakes by our government, but RI is not preventing people from coming. And they are coming, just look at the grocery parking lots. The state is just simply getting information so when ultimately there is a severe outbreak of virus it can possibly be contained.

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bonfire_bug Yesterday

It’s interesting to see the differences between her and Baker. And especially seeing the comments from the locals on how each is leading. One isn’t doing enough and someone is going overboard seems to be the general consensus.

Basically, no ones going to be happy about the solutions. Suck it up and stay home everyone, let’s ride this out as smoothly as possible.

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LongitudinalSpam Yesterday

Yeah, the Mass subreddit is so different. Then again, maybe we'll look the same in a couple weeks.

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RyanKinder 12 hs ago

Different in what regard?

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LongitudinalSpam 12 hs ago

It seemed like people were angry at Baker, and saying he wasn't taking it seriously. IDK if that's a fair criticism or not, or if it was just the few threads I saw.

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brandnew_bitch Yesterday

And now I’ll leave this disgusting group of humans. Good luck.

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ravenscroft12 Yesterday

Wait, who? RI-ers in general? People on this sub-reddit? You cant’t leave us hanging!

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- @firstadopter

Once the mask supply situation improves, let's do this! "Masks work by stopping infected droplets spewing from the wearer’s nose or mouth, rather than stopping the acquisition of virus from others" - More Americans Should Probably Wear Masks for Protection https://t.co/3wjOjKS9fB

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Bill Tai (KiteVC) - @KiteVC

RT @sunny_newsiee: Researchers found that washing hands more than 10 times daily was 55 percent effective in stopping virus transmission while wearing a mask was more effective at 68 percent. https://t.co/lJxFkfJMKQ

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Nick Szabo⚡️ - @NickSzabo4

RT @Pinboard: Buried lede in this hemming-and-hawing NYT article is that wearing masks is more effective than washing your hands ten times a day. (And yes, "Why not both?") The WHO and CDC fatwa against mask wearing in public is costing lives. https://t.co/aoM62ALwlN https://t.co/FVMAj63a5o

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Paul Walsh - @Paul__Walsh

In part, this is probably because you’re less likely to touch your face when wearing a mask. (Didn’t read the article). https://t.co/2Yz04c6L5c

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Justin - @MindsFiction

RT @normonics: Criminal the way they are pretending like this is news. The usefulness of masks follows from GERM THEORY Academics and "experts" seek to complicate to cement their "importance" https://t.co/lLHWsWFYFf

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Eric Meltzer - @wheatpond

RT @Pinboard: Buried lede in this hemming-and-hawing NYT article is that wearing masks is more effective than washing your hands ten times a day. (And yes, "Why not both?") The WHO and CDC fatwa against mask wearing in public is costing lives. https://t.co/aoM62ALwlN https://t.co/FVMAj63a5o

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Christopher Wheeler - @Stocktrader

More Americans Should Probably Wear Masks for Protection - The New York Times https://t.co/oqBdvunKfM

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Jeff Garzik - @jgarzik

Wear a mask. #Masks4All https://t.co/Dc1JGNup42

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Neeraj K. Agrawal - @NeerajKA

Bro are you serious https://t.co/i60ZQLMGgj

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speckz 10 hs ago

When researchers conducted systematic review of a variety of interventions used during the SARS outbreak in 2003, they found that washing hands more than 10 times daily was 55 percent effective in stopping virus transmission, while wearing a mask was actually more effective — at about 68 percent. Wearing gloves offered about the same amount of protection as frequent hand-washing, and combining all measures — hand-washing, masks, gloves and a protective gown — increased the intervention effectiveness to 91 percent.

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Just_be_cool_babies 10 hs ago

This is great IF we have plenty of supplies for every one. Our frontline healthcare workers are wearing garbage bags and bandanas because they don't have enough PPE.

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CommieEater 12 hs ago

So the medical professionals was just shaming plebs to die so they can have a comfortable stock of supplies.

Fuck them.

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danajsparks Ohio 8 hs ago

The medical professionals are as much the victims here as anybody else. Their *employers*—the hospitals—as well as various levels of government, all failed to maintain a large enough stockpiles of PPE to get us (the USA) through a pandemic. We *also* decided to move the vast majority of our PPE production to other countries, and we apparently did so without any contingency plans in place in the event that those countries decided to stop exporting PPE during a pandemic.

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PurplTreeFrog 11 hs ago

The medical professionals are guaranteed to come into contact with people with c19 in their jobs. You can self isolate and drastically reduce the likelihood of coming into contact with the virus. They need those supplies a hell of a lot more than you and the ones that don't get them are literally dying from the virus and overwork. Show some fucking respect.

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covidobs 8 hs ago

It was absolutely wrong for those in leadership positions, including the Surgeon General, to falsely claim masks are “NOT effective in preventing general public from catching.” (https://twitter.com/surgeon_general/status/1233725785283932160?s=21). This propaganda was pushed for weeks by our leaders, talking heads, professionals and now it’s going to take that much more time to undo the misinformation. They could have just been honest and say there’s a shortage and the health care professionals need them more then general public. All data shows that if everyone wears masks in public it will significantly reduce the rate of transmission. And we’re talking about any masks, even homemade masks have some effect. If everyone wore masks in public then the sick and especially asymptotic carriers would not be spewing their viral load on everything. Think about it, what countries seem to have this pandemic under control? South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, China. And which countries require there citizens to wear masks? South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, China.

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CommieEater 9 hs ago

They will have my "fucking respect" when they do their job right. Besides, there is no perfect "self isolate" since we all need to grab supplies and making money for that supply.

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ThePatchOnTheCouch 17 hs ago

Can someone post a link that doesn’t require creating an account?

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barkusmuhl Heinz Yesterday

They lied to the public to try to convince us that hording masks will be ineffective in the hopes that healthcare workers would have enough masks.

Result: Healthcare workers still don't have enough masks because we didn't stockpile enough and their production has been offshored due to past greed and stupidity, and now we have a public that doesn't believe masks work. How about a big fuck you to the media and the WHO and our globalist scumbag politicians.

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PaddleMonkey Yesterday

Excerpt:

When researchers conducted systematic review of a variety of interventions used during the SARS outbreak in 2003, they found that washing hands more than 10 times daily was 55 percent effective in stopping virus transmission, while wearing a mask was actually more effective — at about 68 percent. Wearing gloves offered about the same amount of protection as frequent hand-washing, and combining all measures — hand-washing, masks, gloves and a protective gown — increased the intervention effectiveness to 91 percent.

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HormelChiliShits Yesterday

Crazy thought here, if everyone was wearing PPE at the start of this outbreak we wouldn't need to ration it for hospitals. The "masks are ineffective" messaging screwed us over.

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Spydar 10 hs ago

How would there be enough masks for everyone to wear them consistently and properly? I do agree, though, we got a bunch of “just wash your hands and don’t touch your face you’ll be fine” and “masks are ineffective” advice for weeks, while we obliviously continued to stand close to each other in elevators, trains and grocery stores with neither physical barrier nor distance separating us, and that definitely screwed everyone over, including the health care workers who now have many more cases on their hands as a result.

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HormelChiliShits 9 hs ago

Just about any mask is better than no mask. Even if they don't filter every individual virus, reducing the viral load can significantly decrease the severity of infection. The virus also does not spread on its own, sick people wearing masks also greatly reduces spread. We might have a cottage industry for homemade masks and ramped up professional manufacturing if the need/demand had been properly addressed months ago.

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Spydar 8 hs ago

I agree 100% on the masks. On a hunch, I checked out Etsy today...there’s now a huge variety of handmade masks for sale. I expect a lot more people will be wearing masks in the coming weeks. Would’ve been nice had this been a trend weeks ago—would’ve significantly reduced spread.

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daroyboy 12 hs ago

Incompetence or deliberate malice?

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MondaiNai 8 hs ago

"Never assume malice when stupidity offers an adequate explanation" Only today on my facebook feed, I saw somebody presumably from Europe arguing that this is all being blow wildly out of proportion.

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HormelChiliShits 10 hs ago

Lack of foresight. Call it incompetence if you like. The plan was to control the initial outbreak with well-equipped medical services. That failed. Now PPE is in short supply. Had everyone donated their masks to hospitals, those masks would have already been used and discarded. Heck, my N95 industrial masks probably would have gone straight to the incinerator.

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MRA-automatron-2kb Metacanadian Yesterday

This is well written article giving several reasons why masks are good.

If J. Trudy hadn't given away our masks, the government could have given a box to each household to help slow down the spread of the corona virus.

They knew a pandemic was coming eventually and Trudy knew it was coming soon but he gave away our masks.

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Hazen222 Metacanadian Yesterday

Actually... https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/6651402/ontario-coronavirus-masks-medical-supplies-expired/amp/ Looks like healthcare corruption to me but... sure. Masks “expire”. Lol.

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ConfirmedCynic Metacanadian Yesterday

Even if they lose efficiency somehow as they age, they're still better than nothing in the sense that if someone who is infected and doesn't know it goes out wearing one, he's less likely to infect others.

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tarabithia22 Yesterday

I've been looking for masks since late January. Nothing. Newmarket, ON. Even called Aurora/hardware stores, salon supplies stores.

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JDWired Bernier Fan Yesterday

How MSM retains even one stitch of credibility in some people's eyes is amazing

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BanquetDinner Yesterday

Only the sick should wear masks. 2) People are contagious before showing symptoms. 3) Profit?

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edsam Yesterday

Health officials in Canada and USA continue to show misunderstanding of the purpose of the mask. It is to stop the spread, not catch, of the virus.

See Czech Republic for a success story from 100% mask usage.
https://twitter.com/jeremyphoward/status/1242572288962240517?s=20

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24-Hour-Hate Yesterday

I mean, it's a bit moot when you can't even get masks. And, as someone who is young, otherwise healthy (edit: in the relevant ways - I don't think the virus cares about issues like my stupid knee), and not working in healthcare, maybe any that are available should go to healthcare workers and the vulnerable first? I'm pretty low risk. And I barely leave the house.

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Trollz4fun Yesterday

Donning and Doffing!

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OneHungMan Yesterday

Cant find masks anywhere

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kayori1928 Yesterday

I take the bus to work (finance job) and have been trying to find some, but the quickest they can be shipped is in May

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buckie_mcBuckster Yesterday

If they tell everyone to wear a mask to be safe ....but there is nowhere near enough masks we have a worse problem.

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Hazen222 Yesterday

This might be an article about Americans... but I’m prettttttty sure it applies to everyone.

The whole media narrative about masks not helping has been fucking retarded bunk based on a few “experts” that wanted to zig when all of Asia zagged.

99% of people walking around South Korea can be seen wearing a mask and they have probably handled the virus the best and have the best information available coming out of their country that isn’t blatant lies or propaganda.

People in SK were wearing masks long before this pandemic. Maybe not 99% of people like they are now, but a large portion of a population. Walking around in any Asian airport you can see people wearing masks. There’s a reason for it and our local western “experts” were dead wrong. Well... actually other people are dead... they are just wrong.

I guess our “experts” have murdered thousands of people by their stupid “masks don’t help” message.

Key paragraph: “When researchers conducted systematic review of a variety of interventions used during the SARS outbreak in 2003, they found that washing hands more than 10 times daily was 55 percent effective in stopping virus transmission, while wearing a mask was actually more effective — at about 68 percent. Wearing gloves offered about the same amount of protection as frequent hand-washing, and combining all measures — hand-washing, masks, gloves and a protective gown — increased the intervention effectiveness to 91 percent.”

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idspispopd Yesterday

>This might be an article about Americans... but I’m prettttttty sure it applies to everyone. Definitely applies to everyone. For things like this you can change the headline to make it about Alberta if you want.

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Hazen222 Yesterday

Thanks.

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idspispopd 4 hs ago

This was another good piece about this issue: [Why Telling People They Don’t Need Masks Backfired. To help manage the shortage, the authorities sent a message that made them untrustworthy.](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html) I think it's messed up that the media has been publishing countless stories about fake news and misinformation about coronavirus when they've been the foremost perpetrator with this story that masks don't work.

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Hazen222 3 hs ago

Paywall unfortunately. I agree, the media has perpetuated misinformation and, in America, has taken every opportunity to try and turn it into orange man bad. It was only 2 weeks ago that closing borders to China and Iran was xenophobic and the local senator in New York was telling people to go to the lunar festival. (The very first outbreak in NYC came after an Iranian traveller that came into the country when New York sued the administration to prevent the ban from taking effect). It was one week ago that stopping flights from Europe was .. to quote Stephen Colbert... “locking the doors after the thief was inside” and Democrats were stalling the emergency relief bill in the House using political capital as leverage to try and push the entire Green New Deal into the $2 trillion stimulus bill - shit like “phase out fossil fuels within a certain period” and “carbon tax”. Thankfully, the approval ratings reflect the fact that people see through these moronic partisan games that are costing lives. And now, today it’s “unneighbourly and unconstitutional” to try and quarantine New York (under the advisement of healthcare professionals and the request of surrounding counties). Yet still - orange man bad. I am happy that we are mostly skipping the partisanship at the federal level here in Canada - but unfortunately it’s not really happening here at the Provincial level. In general, we need the best solutions. Not to count the number of coloured or gendered people on committees or task forces. Legitimate criticism that needs to get to the top is being drown out by nothing burgers and agenda driven activists.

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berniegfn60 Yesterday

During an epidemic one should wear a mask.

it's not rocket science.

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ThereOnceWasADonkey Yesterday

No. You are missing the point. The mask isn't to protect you. It's to protect people from you when you're infected and don't know it.

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redlollipop Yesterday

Why can't it be both though? Doesn't that make sense?

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ThereOnceWasADonkey Yesterday

It can be, but it's not. Normal people wearing masks don't protect themselves by doing it. They do protect others, because how you use it doesn't matter as much for that purpose.

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border_humper Yesterday

Etsy for hand-sewn cotton ones. Or wear a bandana.

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Praxiscat Yesterday

I am just not leaving my house. That seems to work best. I am going to be a shut in forever.

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costpermille Yesterday

The CDC's advice was suspect from the beginning: "don't wear masks, they don't help. Healthcare providers need the masks to protect them from the disease."

The Walking Dead's CDC was more effective than the one in reality, and the Walking Dead's CDC consisted of one lone survivor who ended up incinerating the CDC building along with him inside it.

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GJJP Yesterday

Where to buy masks? They have been out of stocks for weeks.

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xtine737 Yesterday

https://youtu.be/ieI7HITRm3c But N95 is best if you going to a hot spot like hospitals but i think this will do if you just will be doing a grocery run.

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Artagra Yesterday

Amazon, Etsy, eBay, home-made, etc. Key thing if you are aiming to decrease your risk to others is just to have a mask that blocks your droplet spread. If you are shopping, look for decorative, dust or construction masks.

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bigmikeylikes Yesterday

Too bad you can't get any

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ANGELIVXXX Yesterday

DIY Masks work. The Czech Republic uses them. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EWpWmyjzM4sNBF-7jp_1Y9a-pqiRg0wakGXy7kj11RA/preview

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psilokan Yesterday

My GF and I went out yesterday to pick up perscriptions and a few misc supplies that we needed from the drugstore (was a good opportunity to grab more eggs and milk, etc). We wore surgical (not n95) masks and gloves.

The store ended up having way more people than anticipated and only one other person had a mask. Most notably everyone was giving us the stink eye and staying far back from us like we were diseased (we both feel fine) so it at least did have a benefit of keeping people out of our 2m bubble.

I don't care what they think. We bought some early on back when they were first locking down Wuhan and no one thought it would be a thing here. I have some n95s stored away for when things get really bad but so far things are not too bad here in Canada. I just wish I bought more to distribute to more of my family and friends.

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xtine737 Yesterday

I am not sure why the government keeps saying that masks do not work. Since some people who are i fected with covid19 have no symptoms, you don’t know who is infected or not. If each one wore a mask, we protect each other from transmitting the virus to each other. Hubby and I did a grocery run and we were also wearing masks. We were the only ones as well .... I bought a bunch of masks (surgical, N95) when I was in Japan as it was the norm over there to wear masks when you are sick. Never thought I will be using it in Canada. I also never thought that covid19 will disrupt our lives.

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ekdaemon Yesterday

> and staying far back from us Perfect.

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songaboutadog Yesterday

Wearing a bandana would at the least help stop you from spitting large droplets on to surfaces.

Before I stopped interacting totally with public spaces, I also carried a spray bottle filled with alcohol. I'd use it to clean gas pumps and stuff.

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Memetic1 Yesterday

Exactly I do worry for people of color however. That might be misconstrued in certain contexts. I really really hate this virus. It seems to make so much even worse.

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