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I tweeted the blog poster about IOTA: https://twitter.com/itsmontoya/status/1382104711738773505

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I like how even this post doesn't mention Monero, the elephant in the room. Monero is already the private payment network for the people, with 78 times as many private transactions as Zcash and Dash combined last month. And MobileCoin uses RingCT which was invented at the Monero Research Lab.

Why have an AMA if you can write a blog post that answers 0 difficult questions?

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HashMoose 11 hs ago

Unbelievable that Signal managed to write all that without:

Mentioning Monero once, which is the only integration people would actually want and the uncredited source of all the good parts of mob
Acknowledging the financial conflict of interest involving Moxie
Addressing the insanely greedy tokenomics of mob
Mission drift and the resulting regulatory risk
Why the AMA was ditched today

Oh wait did I say unbelievable? I meant totally believable at this point. Signal's reputation does one more circle around the drain

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imateapotandsocanyou 8 hs ago

agreed, this post is basically *how they should have introduced it* not how they should respond to the massive pushback for 5 days straight. I also enjoyed the somewhat patronizing tone a the end. It helped me feel like they understood the community's concerns. Edit, i posted this below but I think its valid to add on here: Note that the article used the scare tactic of talking about sku level resolution into what you buy. Thats ALSO a valid concern, but nobody is going to be buying their sex toys off adam and eve using signal (unless your friend puts it on their credit card first and you want to pay them back)

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imateapotandsocanyou 8 hs ago

agreed, this post is basically *how they should have introduced it* not how they should respond to the massive pushback for 5 days straight. I also enjoyed the somewhat patronizing tone a the end. It helped me feel like they understood the community's concerns. Edit, i posted this below but I think its valid to add on here: Note that the article used the scare tactic of talking about sku level resolution into what you buy. Thats ALSO a valid concern, but nobody is going to be buying their sex toys off adam and eve using signal (unless your friend puts it on their credit card first and you want to pay them back)

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gotamd 10 hs ago

> Mentioning Monero Or BCH, which is fast and cheap for P2P payments while also offering very good privacy through CashFusion. However, with that said, I don't really want any cryptocurrency integration in Signal. There are plenty of wallets, mobile and otherwise, that do a good job and it's easy to send an address or payment request over Signal already. It doesn't need to be a wallet too.

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OsrsNeedsF2P 9 hs ago

I use BCH, it's fantastic, I pay for my domain names, VPN subscription, and even free-lance work in my field with it. But Mobilecoin is not based on BCH, so I understand there's a difference between not mentioning BCH and not mentioning what MOB was based on.

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gotamd 8 hs ago

They did mention ZCash and LN (BTC) specifically. I see a lot of people looking for Monero support around here and on HackerNews. I’d prefer BCH if they decide they must integrate a cryptocurrency wallet since I feel it’s the most useful cryptocurrency for P2P payments.

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ibenny87 11 hs ago

I wouldn’t say a word if they built an application for this, based on Signal’s encryption and foundation. But integrating it in the current app is not the best idea from a few perspectives. I also understand the need to raise funds, but I would be way happier with a ‘classic’ subscription fee,for Signal, I’d happily pay that even though generally being heavily against this sort of model. It’d be much more cleaner and transparent.

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digital-cash 11 hs ago

Complete and utter bias. In their own words, MobileCoin is:

opt-in, user choice
$0.60 transaction fees
wire transfer to buy / sell MobileCoin
price volatility

opt-in, user choice

if it's all about "user choice", why don't they add multiple cryptos and let me decide which one I use or don't use?

$0.60 transaction fees

Bloody hell, I can send bitcoin transactions cheaper than that. There are many other cheaper options (dash is a fraction of one cent).

wire transfer to buy / sell MobileCoin

Well, if they hadn't chosen some obscure low market cap coin, me the user might of found it much easier to buy and sell it for fiat or some other pairs.

price volatility

Not much to say about this, other than low market cap coins have more volatility. And MobileCoin is ranked #733.

Signal put in a list of other unrealistic requirements regarding speed and privacy. Really, you think on day one Signal is going to generate more payments than other networks that have been here years?

For speed, easy integration, fast transactions, cheap transactions and long term scalability, they could of just integrated dash or use the Dash Platform API. Dash has numerous on / off ramps and does many thousands of instant transactions every day.

Want better privacy? Beam has one minute confirmation times and very private because there is no transaction history stored on it's blockchain. Beam devs are also working on GhostDAG which makes transactions super fast.

Zcash will also be rolling out faster and cheaper transactions.

Alternatively, if it's really about "user choice", just manage the wallet and keys in the background, invisible to the end user, pass the payment details across the Signal network, and just launch the appropriate user mobile wallet at the time of spending i.e. no need to copy and paste long payment addresses, it just launches the wallet and all the payment details are automatically filled in.

All of this can be done today, but they didn't. They built a set of unrealistic requirements that met their own MobileCoin requirements and then failed anyway on transactions fees and on / off ramps.

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scottjb814 11 hs ago

I feel like I'm in upside-down-land. WhatsApp (!) took out an op-ed in Wired to stand against all the challenges to encrypted communication happening around the world. Signal says it's integrating a payment system that can be used to facilitate money laundering, which as u/Jaksic pointed out raises problems with regulatory risk and regulatory attention (yes, crypto-fans, I know that cash is used for money laundering too, and that there are oodles of legitimate uses of cryptocurrency that aren't speculation hoping for the next bitcoin-style rise in value, but that's not what's on the mind of most of the regulators around the world looking for backdoors in encrypted communications)

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happiness7734 11 hs ago

As the world stands today, the future of transaction privacy does not look great.

And it will never look great, should never look great. What's interesting to me about this position by Signal is how deeply rooted it is in the notion that "money is speech ergo free speech must mean free money." Money isn't speech, though, and money should not have the same privacy protections that speech does. Only a cryptoanarchist would think otherwise.

Let's be honest. The only reason big tech cares about eliminating privacy is because their advertising based business models depend scooping up data everywhere. Money is different. As a society we have spent decades flushing out hidden sources of money from fat cats in tax havens, off-shore banking account, and through thrid-party intermediary. Now Signal comes along and says, "whoah boy, we have a new way for fat cats to hide money. Isn't it grand!"

No, it's not grand. It's stupid. It makes Signal the free speech platform commingled with Signal the money laundering platform. That's bad for free speech, anyway you look at it.

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digital-cash 10 hs ago

The filthy rich have always had people and tools at their disposal to hide money and pay less tax than the poor or middle class.. and why not, tax IS theft.. theft from everyone except the rich. There is absolutely no solution that can't be solved from pure and utter capitalism. For every taxed "solution" has, by definition, an unintended counter action. Socialism produces gross distortions in markets, benefitting some at the cost of others. Cryptocurrencies level the playing field, now we all get the same benefits, equality is good. And yes, money is free speech. Clearly you don't know that all cryptocurrencies function as a protocol, a language of how to build and proceed, the computations to execute an immutable transaction. Sure, to your average person it looks like a simple balance update but that is not reality, that's just not how it works. At the end of the day, it is, in fact, just zeroes and ones - my zeroes and ones - and it's not for anyone else to dictate what I choose to do with them.

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happiness7734 8 hs ago

This is the typical cryptoanarchist line. I'm not surprised to find it here but I am relieved to know that most people don't share your viewpoint.

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digital-cash 8 hs ago

A typical socialist response. Good to know your tax is funding wars and selling arms in the name of "peace". How many nukes did your tax collector buy?

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Meeseeks-Answers 11 hs ago

I don't think any other coin had a chance. The story is something like CTO of mobcoin started signal so probably has some mobcoin which increased in value after Signal "chose" them:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/mm3iw9/mobilecoin_is_a_censored_monero_wannabe_premined/

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Sleeping_panda_ Yesterday

Why is payment option even coming to signal what’s the big picture here? And even if the payment option does comes to signal then can we just not ignore it? Or is it going to cause some major concerns over security and private messaging?

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SamsungGalaxyPlayer 10 hs ago

They only received MobileCoin VC investment with the assumption it would be added to Signal. The whole worth of the coin comes from their ability to push it on us.

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sa1 Yesterday

Something like GNU Taler, which comes without its own cryptocurrency, would have left less of a bad taste.

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godelski Yesterday

I'm not going to lie. This is a bit of a nothing statement. I do think people are too quick to call foul play, but at the same time Signal's statements aren't helping.

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OsrsNeedsF2P 9 hs ago

How is this a nothing statement? They clearly explain why Zcash/Monero/Lightning are not fit (which shuts up half this sub), then give thorough explanations on how it will be integrated, without being bloated or in the way.

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godelski 9 hs ago

> They clearly explain why Zcash/Monero/Lightning are not fit Let's be real, the people talking about those technologies aren't even remotely knowledgeable in cryptocurrencies, privacy, or security. We've stated this hundreds of times within the arguments on this subreddit. I even specifically mentioned it in my post defending Signal and people replied about this. The thing is, these things were previously mentioned. I could say the same thing about Moxie's involvement. 90% of the bashing on here is that Moxie is pushing some money making scam. Moxie already said he had no coins and people are still saying he needs to state his involvement, assuming he has coins. Thing is, he has. Let's be clear, *he can't get rich off of a pump and dump if he doesn't have anything to dump.* This is a nothing statement because it is all information that we've already know, through Signal. I'll admit that it aggregates it into a single place, which is (slightly) helpful. But half the people on here complaining are complaining about things they don't understand or acting like someone is forcing them to use an opt-in feature that in no way could even be forced on people. People that are going to complain are just going to complain. The major questions that stands are: regulatory concerns and if this will be a transactional tool or we'd have to use MOB to send payments. The former wasn't addressed here, but elsewhere, stating that they would whitelist countries where it is allowed (codebase reflects this too). So honestly this is a low concern. As to if it is just a transactional tool or we'll be trading MOB was not even discussed. So I'm calling it a nothing statement.

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9107201999 Yesterday

Maybe I’m the unpopular opinion but I’m super excited for this! Signal is a popular app that will popularize crypto, and mobilecoin is a quick and private coin. Say what you want about attack surface and Unix philosophy, this will improve convenient privacy and free speech, which is what signals goal is. I can’t wait to see this feature in the USA!

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HashMoose 10 hs ago

Dude, Mobilecoin is not coming to the USA. For the signal integration to be fully compliant, app store available etc, the wallet and transactions would need to be fully KYC'd, which would negate the privacy aspect and make mob even more worthless. Signal should just be signal, a private messenger for trading crypto wallet addresses. The integration brings so much risk and backlash with absolutely no additional benefit.

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Stunod7 Yesterday

Beta test improving image compression.

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GeorgAnarchist Yesterday

lol adoption not even happening yet and already 50 cent fees...

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tapo Yesterday

This doesn’t address my concerns.

I was donating monthly to Signal, but by being hush-hush on this feature until it was ready to roll out they’ve proven that they’re not interested in transparency.

Donations are a two-way street. Give us donors visibility into the roadmap and some voice in feature prioritization.

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SamsungGalaxyPlayer 10 hs ago

They don't care about your donation compared to the tens/hundreds of millions they can make shilling their premined coin.

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HashMoose 10 hs ago

Yeah, we aren't going to see Signal back down from this unless the price of MOB flatlines. The insider price per token was about 80 cents and each trades at about 55 dollars rn, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

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MartinBalerio Yesterday

What is MOB??

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Egon_1 Bitcoin Enthusiast Yesterday

Their centralized presold and pre-mined coin

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MartinBalerio Yesterday

That’s BS smh

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Twoehy Yesterday

Shocking that they'd find every single cryptocurrency option inferior to the one that they invented. I mean...what are the odds that every cryptocurrency is worse than the one they invented, control and stand to make obscene amounts of money off of?

Will wonders never cease...

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wildlight Yesterday

i suppose it's easier if you build a crypto currency designed to integrate with your app. hopefully they look into expanding the options.

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gotamd 10 hs ago

They use proof-of-Intel (SGX) to secure both Signal messenger and MobileCoin, so they can run MobileCoin nodes on the same servers they use for Signal. Very convenient! So much synergy!

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jarveld Yesterday

From the Link: "For now, Signal started with MobileCoin because its design does currently offer fast, private, transactions at scale in a way that is easy for Signal to integrate."

And from the feedback: "The MobileCoin transaction fee is currently around 50p ($0.60), which is kind of a lot in order to pay your friend for a slice of pizza!"

Is this not something that would work very well with IOTA? Does someone have the right connections to the devs of signal?

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temp_guyloool Yesterday

Maybe I'm just old, but is copy-pasting a QR code from a separate crypto-wallet app into Signal such a big problem that Signal had to roll their own wallet implementation? Plus, most if not all wallets even allow to "share" directly to messengers...

Best of all, that way you can immediately support all cryptocurrencies, and not just MoxieCoin 🤯

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Next_trees Beta Tester :wrench: Yesterday

What a weak statement that does ignore any real criticism of the coin.

For sure this feature needs to come and will eventually be great, just not with MobileCoin and the insane conflict of interest and the pump and dump.

Very sad they are not acknowledging the (imo) real issues.

Edit: this statement makes it more and more difficult to trust Signal in the long term...

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thebuoyantcitrus Yesterday

Hm, I see they answer a lot of "feedback" but no mention of "I like this platform for secure messaging, why are you risking having it regulated out of existence for a currency thing?" and "Mobilecoin is pre-mined, who owns it? Cui bono?" Pretty egregious when that's the bulk of the concerns being raised around this move.

However, I find it encouraging that they speak of that coin as the start, hopefully implying that support is intended to generalise to other currencies as ones emerge that fit the use case.

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Cosworth_ 11 hs ago

it also shows they are aware of the backlash and huge criticism. they will not have released a washed statement if they did not see all stuff around.  Its sad I write these words as if they were a corporation with something to hide, like any profit corporation they only release something when the wave of criticism reaches top level.

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Ok-Hair1715 Yesterday

Nice, hopefully soon available in more countries👍

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fommuz Yesterday

The most important points, in my opinion, from this blogpost are:

the repeated reminder that payments are dominated by big tech and therefore not very privacy-friendly; Signal is very keen to offer a good and fast alternative for the mass here
Mobilecoin is an opt-in feature
Mobilecoin is just the beginning, other crypto wallets can follow:

"Rather than take that on directly, we can include linked support for existing separately built and maintained cryptocurrency wallets (a “non-custodial wallet,” in cryptocurrency parlance) that allow people to interact with existing payments networks."

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happiness7734 11 hs ago

> the repeated reminder that payments are dominated by big tech and therefore not very privacy-friendly; Signal is very keen to offer a good and fast alternative for the mass here This begs the underlying question. Why SHOULD payments be privacy friendly? What is the policy case for and against that?

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OsrsNeedsF2P 9 hs ago

We need private payments because you can pound sand if you want to know the details of my finances

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SamsungGalaxyPlayer 10 hs ago

Why do we need to care about policy? Monero works worldwide today (yes, even in the United States!) and provides similar privacy. We shouldn't have to let historically disciminatory banks choose who can participate in modern finance.

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HashMoose 11 hs ago

I'm sorry, are you suggesting *increased* financial surveillance?

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happiness7734 8 hs ago

Absolutely. My entire point is that privacy surrounding speech and privacy surrounding money are different animals and should not be conflated with one another. Ask yourself whose interests such conflation serves...not the poor, not the vulnerable, not the civil rights activist in a third world country. They do not have any money and power to begin with that financial privacy could protect. Only rich people and criminals care about financial privacy.

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spideys_memes 8 hs ago

It’s literally a public ledger

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McBurger 9 hs ago

That was an excellent read. Thank you. Can’t believe there are still folks who think Bitcoin is some counterculture resistance, when you’ve got the CIA directly stating that they wish every transaction could take place on bitcoin, because it’s so much easier to thwart and analyze!

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uxgpf 6 hs ago

Bitcoin has changed a lot in last 5 or so years. There's nothing counterculture about it anymore. Only memes and price speculation.

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Tangerine_Solid 9 hs ago

You misread the graph. There are different y-values for each side. Bitcoins is on the left

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Heisenberg_USA 9 hs ago

Everyone knows they can talk shit but most politicians are right now using Monero to keep their money safe and private.

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SQPhoenix 9 hs ago

From the article:

“Blockchain technology is a powerful but underuti- lized forensic tool for governments to identify illicit activity and bring criminals to justice. One expert on the cryptocurrency ecosystem called blockchain technology a “boon for surveillance.””

Jesus Christ

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gingeropolous 9 hs ago

Oh thanks Bitcoin. Man. C'mon monero. Save us from this surveillance nightmare world.

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FartsBlowingOverPoop 10 hs ago

Great post!

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Alltoyd 11 hs ago

fantastic read thanks for posting!

this community has known about how shit bitcoin is for anonymity for 5 years. blame the media for throwing bitcoin up on such a high pedestal

first in best dressed, i guess

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ColaManiac1 9 hs ago

Right lol

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castrator21 Yesterday

This is huge! I hadn't realized that monero transaction volume had surpassed bitcoin either. It implies that monero is working as intended to prevent people from seeing all transactions and can truly be used as digital cash.

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Tangerine_Solid 9 hs ago

You misread the graph. There are different y-values for each side. Bitcoins is on the left

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castrator21 8 hs ago

Yep, totally missed that secondary axis. Still a lot of transactions, and trending in the right direction!

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yourfkdbutdontnoit 11 hs ago

It hasn’t actually. The monero scale is 1/20th of the Bitcoin.

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readyreadyreadyready Yesterday

Should post this to r/cryptocurrency. Newbs need to understand this

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readyreadyreadyready Yesterday

I think I’m banned there

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LarraXamar Yesterday

All of the experts we consulted believe that governments have been slow to recognize the forensic power of block- chain technology. This lag reflects a lack of awareness at senior and working levels, as well as the challenges understanding and working with the extreme complex- ity of the computer science associated with blockchain forensics.

Bullish🦍

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historian2020 Yesterday

Looking at the CIA's history, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they are funding some of their activities using Monero and other cryptocurrencies nowadays.

For those interested in the questionable history of the CIA, please check what investigative journalist Gary Webb uncovered. The man literally sacrificed it all for the truth. Webb was a real journalist with tons of integrity, a rare trait to find in the business today.

If 'Epstein did not kill himself' resonates with you, so will probably 'Gary Webb did not commit a suicide by two gunshot wounds to the head.'

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libertarianets 11 hs ago

[The CIA is a terrorist organization](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI&ab_channel=SecondThought)

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fosterbarnet Yesterday

420$ on 4/20.

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ozkraut Cultured Yesterday

Ah the free marketing eh?

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bawdyanarchist Yesterday

Wow ... FINALLY. Finally a govt report that gives an ACCURATE synopsis of the situation on cryptos. Finally, a govt report that doesn't say some stupid shit about "privacy coins" like zcash and Dash, and only mentions Monero. Finally, someone that doesn't appear to be coming in with an agenda and narrative to spin, and largely just lays out the facts.

One thing I found amusing:

Another went so far as to say that “if all criminals used blockchain, we could wipe out illicit financial activity.”

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farts_smell_nice Yesterday

technically he's an independent advisor now, but his name should carry a lot of weight nonetheless. edit: yea, that gave me a good chuckle too.

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farts_smell_nice Yesterday

crosspost per request. Interesting read by michael morell, former director of the CIA, on BTC and AECs (i.e. monero).

TL:DR = BTC < Monero, Cryptospace good

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PrisonOfH0pe 9 hs ago

Someone should cross-post to r/CryptoCurrency

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kaitje Yesterday

Nice, could you also post in /r/monero?

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farts_smell_nice Yesterday

sure, crossposted

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headtowniscapital Yesterday

Thank you! It's post like this I need to get even more confident in the project! 🙏

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farts_smell_nice Yesterday

If this isn't fucking bullish longterm, I don't know what is. The conclusion doesn't even take a negative stance on crypto.

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Churn Gold | QC: BCH 15 | BSV 8 | r/SysAdmin 20 1 day ago

🎶“Tiiiiiiiiiiiime is on my side. Yes it is!!” 🎶

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mardix 1 day ago

TIME will tell

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ThatDudeYaDigg Tin 1 day ago

After reading this thread, I think it's TIME we end these puns lol

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RightBlacksmith9 1 day ago

Cryptocurrency fund leader Grayscale Investments is partnering with Time Magazine on a new video series to be released this summer, announces Grayscale CEO Michael Sonnenshein.
Equally important, says Sonnenshein, Time has agreed to be paid in bitcoin (BTC-USD) and will hold said bitcoin on its balance sheet.
Time was purchased by Salesforce.com (NYSE:CRM) founder and CEO Marc Benioff for $190M nearly three years ago. The two companies' operations, however, have nothing to do with each other.

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coinfeeds-bot Platinum|5monthsold|QC:CC277,BTC105,ETH72|TraderSu 1 day ago

tldr; Grayscale CEO Michael Sonnenshein has announced that TIME Magazine will be receiving some payments in Bitcoin. The company will hold the Bitcoin on its balance sheet. TIME President Keith Grossman retweeted the news, blessing the partnership. Grayscale is a cryptocurrency asset manager that holds over 3% of the Bitcoin.

This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

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DDelphinus Platinum | QC: CC 204, LedgerWallet 34 1 day ago

Perfect TIMEing?

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jjohns91 1 day ago

The TIMES are a changing....

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kushkloudzz Gold | QC: CC 86 | VET 17 1 day ago

TIMEs have changed!

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DonutCravings 1 day ago

Corporate FOMO is unreal. The catalyst started with Microstrategy’s corporate guide on entering the space. The real FOMO will begin once the FANNGs stocks enter...soon.

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sotoyjuan 3 - 4 years account age. 200 - 400 comment karma. 1 day ago

Not FOMO, adoption!

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DonutCravings 1 day ago

This feels more like FOMO to me, but happy to know your thoughts. Adoption would indicate they’re incorporating crypto as a key part of their business model. The only corporation that truly adopted crypto are crypto-native companies like coinbase and blockfi, etc. This current environment feels more like they are throwing whatever they can and hoping something sticks. It feels more like 1) they want to stay relevant, and/or 2) trying to disrupt themselves before someone disrupts them. Adoption will come from consumers’ demand, rather than corporate pull. We’re still too early in the space for there to be a heavy consumer demand.

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sotoyjuan 3 - 4 years account age. 200 - 400 comment karma. 1 day ago

Nice, I know prefer your point of view

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pm_me_cute_sloths_ Gold | QC: CC 186, DOGE 44 | r/NFL 78 1 day ago

Imagine the FOMO when a popular online retailer lets you purchase goods and services with crypto

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DonutCravings 1 day ago

With PayPal, aren’t all retailers who accept PayPal technically accepting crypto? Long reply, but if anyone reads through it, I’m genuinely curious on what you think. My opinion is retailers accepting crypto isn’t where mainstream adoption will start. There’s too many “investors” in crypto, and not enough users. For us to be incentivized to spend crypto, we need better tax laws (no more capital gain on purchases below $X), and we need incentive to use crypto (3-5% discount on goods when using crypto for not using a credit card as the merchant no longer needs to incur that cost. As credit card companies usually charge a fixed price + percentage of sale price (ie:10 cents per swipe + 5% off sale price), merchants should be able to give discounts and still come out on top. This type of adoption will happen once we consider certain crypto as medium of exchange, rather than store of value - which I think isn’t for another 5-10 years. The next catalyst will continue to happen with “investors,” instead of users. Corporations, especially wealth management companies, have an obligation to consider all investments, else they wouldn’t be doing their due diligence/fiduciary duty. Once large tech companies begin piling in, wealth management companies will have a fiduciary duty to at least consider putting in a small percentage of their asset under management to crypto. That will be the next FOMO, and I think we’re at the start. My guess is this will happen during this bull run as we now have the corporate infrastructure to custody the asset (state street recently announced the custodying of crypto, and coinbase).

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Eur1sk0 5 - 6 years account age. 300 - 600 comment karma. 1 day ago

That's huge considering that TIME is a conservative institution. For me that's bigger news than Elon Musk's adoption. It's a clear sign that BTC is the future.

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cat_on_a_stick 8 - 9 years account age. 450 - 900 comment karma. 1 day ago

Why do you consider TIME a conservative instution? It's owned by Benioff

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Eur1sk0 5 - 6 years account age. 300 - 600 comment karma. 1 day ago

Conservative in comparison to Elon’s attitude. TIME is a conservative medium because it addresses and appeals to conservative subscribers. Their articles are about well established ideas and companies with low risk and low profit margin. On the contrary Elon’s mentality is towards high risk and high profit margin endeavour e.g. Tesla, space X, PayPal, etc. Elon’s mentality is about identifying or/and investing in the next DIET, disruptive technology emerging innovation

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robis87 Platinum | QC: CC 997 1 day ago

exactly. goes to show the very width of this rising wave

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JuiceAggressive Gold | 6 months old | QC: CC 52 1 day ago

About TIME this happened

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robis87 Platinum | QC: CC 997 1 day ago

It was only a matter of TIME:

One of the most recognizable publications in the world, TIME Magazine will now be receiving some payments in Bitcoin, according to Grayscale CEO Michael Sonnenshein. And, most importantly, it won’t be immediately converting that crypto to fiat.

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Ethan0307 Gold | QC: CC 38 1 day ago

Adoptions in the air

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pm_me_cute_sloths_ Gold | QC: CC 186, DOGE 44 | r/NFL 78 1 day ago

I can feel it coming in the air tonight *rad drum solo*

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Ethan0307 Gold | QC: CC 38 1 day ago

#i can feel it coming in the air tonight oh lord

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wheelzoffortune Silver | QC: CC 480, ADA 22 | NEO 25 1 day ago

Holy shit. Great news!

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robis87 Platinum | QC: CC 997 1 day ago

Speaking of the mainstream recognition

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sickvisionz Gold | QC: CC 82 | r/Politics 21 1 day ago

These would be a lot cooler (cooler definitely as a relative term) if they were actual video of the company ringing the bell or like some older companies, complete with like 20th century video footage of people yelling.

I want to se them go full Topps and have trader stats like baseball cards used to. Have special digi-foil "Rookie Class of 83" cards and stuff.

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r-2-eth-2 1 day ago

NYSE

When we decided to mint the NYSE's first NFTs it was fitting that we chose to memorialize that particular one-of-a-kind moment. Our first class of NYSE NFTs celebrates the First Trades of these notable listings: Spotify, which executed the first ever Direct Listing, Snowflake, Unity, DoorDash, Roblox and Coupang, the largest U.S. IPO so far this year. We are starting with these six, but we know there will be many more NYSE NFTs to come as we continue to welcome new, innovative companies to our community.

Market Conditions

ETH:    $2,143.56
BTC:    $60,168.88
Ratio:  0.0356
Date:   Apr 12 2021

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Gringo4 :Ethereum: Analyst 1 day ago

LOL :)

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guyatwork37 Silver | QC: CC 26 1 day ago

You're telling me the stodgiest of institutional money is on the NFT train now? Can this ride be over already?

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njm204 Tin 1 day ago

Yeah! As soon as institutions make enough money

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ChaosCouncil 1 day ago

Ok boomer

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Habanos_ashe 1 day ago

"Bitcoin has no unique value at all. It is a delusion, basically." -Warren Buffett, Eats McDonalds for Breakfast Everyday

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Mighty_Zen redditor for 2 weeks 1 day ago

Jolly good fun this.

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SecretlyReformed 1 day ago

Over 5 million percent wrong lmao

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slevinlopine redditor for 3 months 1 day ago

Wow...

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rooterRoter 1 day ago

Dead.

Dead set on going to the fooking moon!

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CryptoSpectacle redditor for 2 months 1 day ago

We see that these “experts” are simply not able to understand the BTC wave of change. One thing I’ve never heard on Reddit about the rise of BTC is the analogy with the music industry and downloadable music. Yet, to me it’s amazingly similar. Back in the days, you had an immensely rich music industry that trusted their model of music = physical records sales. Then downloadable music sites showed up and they fought against it by suing users (which was pathetic). They could not deal with the change and NOT ONE major label embraced the new tech. Not one! Adoption came through Apple then Spotify, etc. The music industry was forced to adapt eventually. I feel we see the same thing with the banking / financial industry. They are an immensely monopoly and there’s no reason for them to change. Hence all the FUD. But going back to music... how often do you buy a CD today? ... even asking the question sounds silly, right? Change is happening in front of our eyes, right now. What a great time to be riding the BTC wave of change!

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black-dog-pt 1 day ago

There is no excuse anymore IMO. When something is worth 1T$ and growing 100% in 3 months, if you don’t try to at least understand it, I have bad news.

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Ianyat 1 day ago

I was at least 30,000% wrong. I seriously considered buying a few when the price was like $200 for fun because I thought the technology was cool. But back then, bitcoin did not have a bright future and it wasn't that easy to buy. The main uses were black market transactions and the main black market was being investigated by the FBI. No thanks, it was not a good investment with available knowledge at the time.

The next time I considered buying in I was surprised the price had jumped so much, but several exchanges were hacked around that time and people lost their money. Nope, seemingly not a good idea at $800 either.

I made a small gain in 2017, but was never a true believer. After the huge crash and the huge transaction fees it seemed like bitcoin had failed it's mission of being a currency or a store of value.

No regrets, can't change the past.

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black-dog-pt 1 day ago

It has been 10 years at least. Probably the hardest 10 years in BTC history. I arrived very late to the party but the evidence is overwhelming.

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thewilhite 1 day ago

“Timothy Lee, precisely 5,000,000% wrong”

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black-dog-pt 1 day ago

Being 5M% wrong is like being Satoshi Nakamoto himself and not believing your own creation xD. How early was this guy to declare the death of BTC!

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Bitcoin_is_plan_A redditor for 7 weeks 1 day ago

Mike was precisely 13.817% wrong*

"Why has Bitcoin failed? It has failed because the community has failed..."

thanks for the cheap coins mike ;)

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knuF 1 day ago

First .lol domain I have visited.

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PyramidMarmoset redditor for 7 weeks 1 day ago

Second for me! Check out keys.lol :)

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black-dog-pt 1 day ago

Me too

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johnturtle 1 day ago

How did you do the chart animations?

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MrJumbo 1 day ago

chart.js with a shit ton of tweaking haha

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black-dog-pt 1 day ago

This is not mine. Just the messenger

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MrJoeCabot 1 day ago

"A bubble. I predict this one will pop once the novelty wears off." Timothy B Lee, Tech Writer 5,212,379% wrong

Article: http://timothyblee.com/2011/04/18/the-bitcoin-bubble/

The comments are great

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black-dog-pt 1 day ago

That is too good

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Sedknieper 1 day ago

The tittles of the individuals are funny, but it should have their real, self used titles. I would like to be able to show this site to non-bitcoin believers and show them how wrong these "authoritative" people have been.

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cak10e1 1 day ago

“Nouriel Roubini - old man that yells at Bitcoin” hahaha

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Nossa30 1 day ago

When the day Roubini is bullish, Sell....

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DrDankMemesPhD 1 day ago

When he's bullish Bitcoin will be the world reserve asset.

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wavycapsurfer redditor for 4 days 1 day ago

Haha nice work 😂

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black-dog-pt 1 day ago

Not mine. Just the messenger

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wavycapsurfer redditor for 4 days 1 day ago

thanks for spreading ✌

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PeteDaKat 1 day ago

This is such egg on face and so much crow to eat!

I wish I could give it more than 1 up-vote.

I'll send this to a negative buddy and tell him to spend 10 minutes with this. He believes every bit of crap coming out of the mouths of the ignorant and the FUDsters and takes it as gospel. I wish I could get him to calibrate his Bullshit Detector, but the years make me grow ever more pessimistic. I'm coming to the conclusion that he is unable to discern.

He'll believe a stranger on the internet before he'll believe the Bentley in my driveway. That's a metaphor. He sees me make a shit-tonne, then promptly launches into another bitcoin is dead meme. I've rolled my eyes up into my head so many times, I'm afraid they're gonna get stuck. Is there something in the water? Do they have intervention teams for this?

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black-dog-pt 1 day ago

This is actually a great reference to have. FUDstrer friends? Boomer family? Just share the link and say: your quote comes next. xD

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black-dog-pt 1 day ago

I just got a guy who was 53000% wrong. Anyone got higher?

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klopptimus-prime 1 day ago

23,000,000% was the highest one I saw.

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Turbulent_Effect6072 1 day ago

I got this: Timothy was precisely 5,153,770% wrong* "A bubble. I predict this one will pop once the novelty wears off." -Timothy B Lee, Tech Writer

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Hedgehog2986 1 day ago

I got one that was 760000% wrong from 2011

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black-dog-pt 1 day ago

OOf. imagine being close to 1M% wrong.

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coffee_for_dinner 1 day ago

On August 2011 Nicholas Jackson, Tech Journalist said: > "Bitcoins are nothing. You can't live in them and you can't wear them. You can't turn them into real estate or jewelry. " Nicholas was precisely 767,518% wrong.

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black-dog-pt 1 day ago

Ouch. That's a whole lotta wrong

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raumi75 2 days ago

Good job! This is a fun size

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black-dog-pt 1 day ago

Not mine, just spreading the word 😂

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MrFrancy 2 days ago

I hate that the graph doesn't start from the quotes date

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

It doesn’t? I think it plots the chart from the quote date until today

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MrFrancy 1 day ago

[This happens to me](https://i.imgur.com/4jJi2uy.png)

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PeteDaKat 1 day ago

The site worked well with Brave on Ubuntu and Safari on iOS.

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black-dog-pt 1 day ago

uhm, try a different browser, that doesn't look good

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actitud_Caribe 1 day ago

I'm having the same issue in iOS Chrome. Also there's a bit of unnecessary vertical scroll even if content doesn't go past the fold. The website is great nonetheless. Some people were really waaaay off!

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Shubingson 2 days ago

My god how many quotes are there

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

Waaay too many

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Tricky_Dragonfly_28 2 days ago

I ain’t clicking that link

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hateschoolfml 2 days ago

This is hilarious and beautifully engineered. Enjoyed it 😂

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e4109c 2 days ago

It shows quotes from supposedly famous people on how Bitcoin is ‘dying’ and how wrong they were, it’s pretty amusing

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

Fair enough. I knew most people wouldn’t but i don’t know how else to share this. It’s really cool

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black-dog-pt 2 days ago

This site is too good. Enjoy!

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Ryan Selkis - @twobitidiot

RT @NischalShetty: Good to see innovators like @NandanNilekani discussing crypto innovation in India 🇮🇳 Crypto will play an important role in helping India reach its $5T economy goal. #IndiaWantsCrypto https://t.co/wtsUIriWWH

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Balaji S. Srinivasan - @balajis

RT @RahulSanghi1: ICYMI a brilliant double-header blogpost from the @Product_nation team & @balajis on adding 'Crypto to India Stack' Read on to see how India unlocks (& accesses) future capital markets for its citizens & MSMEs via the emerging decentralised crypto-economy https://t.co/tRSMBZZ6lH

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Chris Dixon - @cdixon

RT @katie_haun: India is one of the biggest untapped crypto markets in the world. Its embracing the crypto economy would provide an important blueprint for other countries to follow https://t.co/ciAYtdiqvI

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Kathryn Haun - @katie_haun

India is one of the biggest untapped crypto markets in the world. Its embracing the crypto economy would provide an important blueprint for other countries to follow https://t.co/ciAYtdiqvI

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Emin Gün Sirer - @el33th4xor

During the post-pandemic stagflation phase, the developing countries that can attract moneyflows into their economies via crypto will pull ahead. https://t.co/VDcNiAXxbx

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Chris Burniske - @cburniske

RT @twobitidiot: It’s hard to overstate how big crypto could be for India. Super encouraging to see this from some of their leaders. The position is evolving in the direction of growth! https://t.co/KVGhH9HHmb

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Leigh Cuen - @La__Cuen

RT @arjunblj: #Bitcoin and crypto have the potential to catapult India on the global stage. https://t.co/c1jTnAxwYp

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Arjun Balaji - @arjunblj

#Bitcoin and crypto have the potential to catapult India on the global stage. https://t.co/c1jTnAxwYp

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Wong Joon Ian - @joonian

Wow bigshots in India are now waking up to crypto... they must have been reading @balajis feed ?! https://t.co/2FsBk3M6oS

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Meltem Demirors - @Melt_Dem

if India implements this, it will become a blueprint for every other nation state on the planet 🌎 economies should embrace the promise of #Bitcoin and public blockchain networks https://t.co/MztOtoSR2L

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Rachael Horwitz - @RachaelRad

“The internet connected the average Indian to millions of sources of information. Could crypto protocols connect Indians to millions of sources of capital?” https://t.co/IS62wcCpAp

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Muneeb Ali - @muneeb

Dear @ImranKhanPTI, The next frontier for economic growth is the crypto economy. India is quickly realizing the potential of Bitcoin and crypto-assets. Time for your move. https://t.co/VT20oOxPcZ

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Ryan Shea - @ryaneshea

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Kyle Samani - @KyleSamani

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Balaji S. Srinivasan - @balajis

RT @kichsr: A manifesto that can elevate India from a state of fear to the greatest beneficiary of the biggest wealth generation event in the last century Crypto, fastest growing source of capital 🤝 India, fastest growing large economy with insatiable demand for credit + foreign investment https://t.co/dXaflQuhxo

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Soona - @soonaorlater

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Daniel Ƀ - @csuwildcat

The first item and third item are the same thing - the data should live in your identity-secured personal datastore. https://t.co/PCYbGOFOVv

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Meltem Demirors - @Melt_Dem

bitcoin is value additive to national economies 💪🏾 excellent leadership from @balajis on this https://t.co/ltRESLmvR7

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Rachael Horwitz - @RachaelRad

The countries that embrace and nurture crypto now will be the winners of this next wave of innovation we’re still just at the beginning of. https://t.co/Y3Se8xpEct

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Kathryn Haun - @katie_haun

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Muneeb Ali - @muneeb

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Ryan Selkis - @twobitidiot

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Neeraj K. Agrawal - @NeerajKA

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Will Warren - @willwarren89

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Arjun Balaji - @arjunblj

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Linda Xie - @ljxie

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Preethi Kasireddy - @iam_preethi

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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Fred Ehrsam - @FEhrsam

Crypto is a generational opportunity for countries to embrace https://t.co/ucVFzuHU9u

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Brian Armstrong - @brian_armstrong

RT @balajis: How do we connect the trillion dollar cryptoeconomy to the billion person Indian economy? Add crypto to IndiaStack. Use the digital rupee for domestic commerce and crypto protocols to attract international investment. And bring India to the frontier. https://t.co/nV71OwWsnj

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donaldtrumptwat 3 days ago

I love YouTube.

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yougunnaloseyojob 3 days ago

Good for them

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Chris55730 4 days ago

Children need to wear masks. Why don’t people get variants. Even if they don’t get sick as often, it can mutate in any person and cause a variant that the current vaccines don’t work on. We need to try to keep anyone from getting it.

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tells_you_hard_truth 3 days ago

Absolutism is not a path to effective public policy.

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Chris55730 3 days ago

Other countries are doing way better than the US because they were good and everyone wore masks so don’t act like there’s something ineffective about that policy.

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tells_you_hard_truth 3 days ago

Other countries aren't as fat as the US either

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Chris55730 3 days ago

Obviously if the kid doesn’t come in contact w other people they wouldn’t need to but if we want to end this that’s how it’s done according to scientific facts.

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tells_you_hard_truth 3 days ago

You talk about science but science doesn't agree that contact contagion is a thing.

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Chris55730 3 days ago

Ok you don’t have a clue there’s no point in talking to an idiot. Less people are getting the infection. That has nothing to do with their weight. And it’s spread by air and droplets and that’s what the masks help with.

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tells_you_hard_truth 3 days ago

And that's where you lose by having a temper tantrum. I really wish just once I could have a reasonable discussion like adults.

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Coop-Master 4 days ago

Look, I don't like corporations stepping in and blocking free speech as much as the next guy, but when you use your free speech to spread disinformation that will either hurt or confuse the public, you deserve to be blocked, especially if your a political figure.

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dumbassretail 2 days ago

Everyone who blocks free speech proclaims to be the last one to want to block free speech.

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ronflair 4 days ago

I don’t know. Doesn’t sound to me though that folks like Oxford epidemiologist Dr. Sunetra Gupta, Harvard professor Dr. Martin Kulldorff, and Dr. Scott Atlas and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya from Stanford University are what you would exactly call crackpots. Quite the opposite actually if you Google their credentials, awards and research. But, then again, maybe you have more biomedical research experience behind your belt than they do.

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PunctualPoetry 3 days ago

Actually they sound like people willing to twist any sort of angle to get their name out there and further their careers.

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liptoniceteabagger 3 days ago

Not sure about the others, but Scott Atlas was one of the guys on trumps corona virus task force , and was an extremely vocal advocate for people to not wear masks, not get tested and just wait until herd immunity , which he estimated would only takes months. When questioned further, he admitted that he was not educated in immunology or virology, and therefore had no scientific basis to make those claims, he simply pulled that shit out of his ass.

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ronflair 3 days ago

You seem right about Dr. Scott Atlas. Though I’ll have to check more into his publications. His specialty is in radiology, although like you pointed out he was in the previous administrations task force. Given that, I’d still, and perhaps because of that background and given how things ended up, like to see him in a panel discussion with the other folks who do have more relevant backgrounds in epidemiology and biostatistics. As a scientist, out right censoring, especially of that sort of relevant and timely discussion really rankles me.

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liptoniceteabagger 3 days ago

The problem is that these doctors do not want to have an educated discussion. Almost everything they say is completely contradictory to known and proven science, and when actual doctors who are educated point out their false information and claims, these doctors scream about their right to free speech . What rankles me is these people are knowingly spreading false information in an attempt to sway public opinion and force politicians to make decisions that do not benefit the population, solely because they are being paid to do so. The pandemic has lasted a year and killed a million people because these false lies have been allowed to proliferate. Censoring them is the only course of action at this point .

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harrumphstan 4 days ago

Rattling off the names of a few Koch-funded scientists doesn’t change the fact that the scientific consensus is against this fringe group.

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ronflair 4 days ago

“Rattling off the names of a few...” Those are the names of the scientists on the panel. But, there are many more. “...Koch-funded scientists...” That is incorrect. Two minutes of Googling led me to find a Harvard Crimson article that stated that these researchers met at a conference held at Great Barrington, Mass., at the headquarters of the American Institute of Economic Research, which is a libertarian think tank funded by the Koch brothers. That would be like saying that you and I were funded by Reddit because we met in the comment section of Reddit. “...scientific consensus...” Last year the scientific consensus held that masks were ineffective. Now they are an absolute necessity. Scientific consensus changes based on data, which needs to be continually analyzed and debated. Also, scientific consensus does not make a scientific fact. “...fringe group..” If they are in the fringe, despite their connections, research backgrounds, awards, publications, then I guess I will be hanging out with the fringe!

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harrumphstan 3 days ago

>That would be like saying that you and I were funded by Reddit because we met in the comment section of Reddit. You’re quibbling. This wasn’t some apolitical, scientific conference where new academic research was being presented or reviewed, it was a libertarian political conference, funded by Koch, with the intent of drawing out like-minded scientists who could put their political leanings above rationality. “...scientific consensus...” >Last year the scientific consensus held that masks were ineffective. Yes, my dude. Science advances. We learn more, and science adapts. The Great Barrington Declaration wasn’t science; it was a political statement. >Scientific consensus changes based on data, which needs to be continually analyzed and debated. Yes, debated within the scientific literature, not a PR stunt. “...fringe group..” >If they are in the fringe, despite their connections, research backgrounds, awards, publications, then I guess I will be hanging out with the fringe! Yes, they’re on the fringe, despite their backgrounds. Just like MIT’s Dr. Richard Lindzen—who also a very impressive research background, awards and publications—but nonetheless aligned himself with Koch-funded climate denial organizations to spread bullshit outside of published scientific literature. Your arguments are the same, tired, denier arguments we’ve heard from the tobacco and energy industries for decades. Your selective appeal to authority games are known...

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PunctualPoetry 3 days ago

Please stop spewing elite school names like everyone has any connection to them is a beacon of truth, it highlights your ignorance. Why do you want kids to stop wearing masks? Just because you don’t want big bad government to tell you what to do?

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harrumphstan 3 days ago

Did you mean to address OP?

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ronflair 3 days ago

Saying that they are “Koch funded scientists” is highly disingenuous of you and you know it. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you were mistaken when I pointed out that it was in fact the conference that they were invited to which was funded, rather than being personally funded, which is exactly what you implied. When I corrected you, instead of a admitting the error you then called it a “quibble.” This suggests to me that you were not mistaken but rather intentionally lying and spreading misinformation. Saying a scientist is “Koch funded” means that they or their laboratory has received funds directly from the Koch brothers, which appears incorrect. Do you work at MIT? Ever been invited to speak to a conference at the MIT Media Center? Congratulations, you have been funded by Jeffery Epstein. That’s not the definition of “funding” and you know it, but you instead chose to mislead everyone regardless.

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harrumphstan 3 days ago

Saying they’re “Koch funded scientists” highlights the exact same relationship that Koch has had with other scientists to cloud the truth. This is the same, canned argument the right wing always brings to further their disinformation. But of course you’d rather continue quibbling than to address the fact that you’re parroting an unscientific, Koch-funded narrative. And the fact that you’re attempting to draw a comparison between MIT and the American Institute for Economic Research is itself highly disingenuous. Given your defense of Koch propaganda, that doesn’t surprise me at all.

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ronflair 3 days ago

Ah, I see. “Saying they’re Koch funded scientists highlights the exact same relationship that Koch has had with other scientists...” So they are not actually Koch funded but you making seem like they are is justified because their opinions are, in your mind, in line with other people who may in fact be Koch funded, and who they may have spoken with at a conference, therefore let’s just say that they are Koch funded, because ideologically, in your opinion, they are. Glad you cleared that up.

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harrumphstan 3 days ago

Quibble on, it’s all you’ve got. But tell me again how MIT is just like a Koch think thank. Maybe we can discuss how shilling for an ideology gets us closer to the scientific truth than just research, publication, and formal critique. Or you could just quibble more.

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IWant8KidsPMmeLadies 3 days ago

You can end the “quibble” by owning up to your incorrect choice of words. Don’t blame someone else for calling you out on a matter when you’re specifically enabling it by arguing back. You could have admitted your mistake or at least sidestepped it but instead you argue back over the “quibble” and then complain that the other person is quibbling. What a joke.

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ronflair 3 days ago

And yet, none of your rebuttals address my argument. Although MIT and various programs and labs there may get tons of funding from the DOD and the occasional shady pedophile, that does not mean that if you attend a conference there, or even engage in scientific discourse with a scientist there who does, that you receive such funding yourself. Receiving funding means just that, a grant that is received directly by you and the institute, that is either restricted in its scope or can be unrestricted, from another individual or institute. This funding is then recorded for tax purposes and is a matter of public record.

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HarambesTomb2016 4 days ago

This is the most civil response to a comment I’ve seen in more than a year.

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harrumphstan 4 days ago

Really? It’s dripping sarcasm and condescension.

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HarambesTomb2016 4 days ago

Which is required when you’re dealing with idiots.

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masterheater5 4 days ago

That's not called being civil. You just said he sounded "civil" because he agrees with you lmao

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HarambesTomb2016 4 days ago

You can agree or disagree, that’s why there’s the upvote/downvote feature on this site. Some people agree with me that his response was civil, some may not. Welcome to the internet. First day, sport?

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masterheater5 4 days ago

Being condescending and sarcastic isn't considered "civil" outside of your little internet bubble. Go outside.

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HarambesTomb2016 4 days ago

Apparently if I go outside I’ll kill all the grandma’s & then I’ll be considered a bio-terrorist. Can you just fuck off man. Stop trying to pick a fight on a Friday night. I’m trying to relax & get high, but nooooo here you come with your “I have a different opinion durka durka let’s start a fight” so my notifications start up. Just go away.

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masterheater5 4 days ago

Jesus christ lmao

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FleshBloodBone 4 days ago

A state elected official says something that makes total sense based on all available data. Yeah, better shit can that.

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masterheater5 4 days ago

What available data are you referring to?

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FleshBloodBone 4 days ago

That children do not spread sars2 at nearly the rates adults do. There is data from multiple countries about open schools not being a place where its spreading. For the same reason that children arent really affected by the virus, they dont then spread it.

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masterheater5 4 days ago

All of these are exceptionally dubious claims

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tells_you_hard_truth 3 days ago

That you would say that exposes how ill informed American media has left you.

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masterheater5 3 days ago

I don't use american media lmao

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FleshBloodBone 4 days ago

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/20/covid-19-schools-data-reopening-safety/ https://www.npr.org/2020/10/21/925794511/were-the-risks-of-reopening-schools-exaggerated

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PunctualPoetry 3 days ago

Should they wear masks in the school?

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FleshBloodBone 3 days ago

I don’t think so, no.

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tells_you_hard_truth 3 days ago

No

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PunctualPoetry 3 days ago

Why not?

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tells_you_hard_truth 3 days ago

Kids are neither at high risk from covid nor spread it at anywhere near the levels that adults do (and this is largely because they don't really get sick from it). This is not me saying this, it's the CDC. "Better safe than sorry" is not a meaningful argument when they - and everyone they're around - are just as safe without the kids wearing them. If anything the kids are at risk from their teachers, not the other way around. And surface spread isn't really a thing. Kids need to see faces. It's part of normal development, at least up to 5-6 years old. But even then, why normalize something that is fundamentally not normal? I don't want my kids to grow up thinking it's weird to see people's faces. I can't even wrap my head around the loss of humanity that that represents, that every person you meet is assumed to be deadly and to be cut off from 90% of our non-verbal communication. We communicate a huge amount of intent with our mouths. Here's a trick: if you go out to a public place with plenty of fresh air and open space, and you feel strange being without a mask, that isn't science that's habit, or worse.

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PunctualPoetry 3 days ago

This pretty clearly just comes down to what you think is “normal” vs what is not in America. No one in Asia is worried about their kids having some psychological development issue not knowing what faces look like, that’s just laughable. This is such a tiny ask for such a relatively small amount of time, a couple years. It’s pathetic that people can’t just comply and have to constantly worry that “normal” American values are being infringed upon.

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ItMeKoni 4 days ago

Dark Futulogy is when private company enforces TOS, and when the TOS is longer than 2 lines it's a dystopia

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ruizscar 4 days ago

If you want to create a dystopia you need mass ignorance. A few people finding alternatives to youtube is not a problem for you.

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HotNSpicyPickle 3 days ago

Ignorance is an authority figure encouraging kids to ignore basic hygiene during a pandemic. I'm glad that at least the people running youtube are deciding to be responsible and listening to science, even if DeSantis isn't.

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PunctualPoetry 3 days ago

Exactly. This guy is clearly a pig and all the right to those silencing him.

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ruizscar 3 days ago

The issue here is that people believe in science as a fact not a process. Kids wearing masks may have seemed a good idea at first. But it stunted their development and they weren't at risk anyway

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PunctualPoetry 3 days ago

Please provide proof of your claim that sounds like typical Republican desperate to be right will say anything idea. The problem with the Republican mindset is that it’s not based on facts or science, it’s based on ideals often based off tradition and religion.

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ruizscar 3 days ago

See my other, newer comment

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HotNSpicyPickle 3 days ago

Science is a process that requires supporting facts, like facts supporting the idea that masks will stunt a child's growth (???). Every single major scientific organization agrees with the idea that masks prevent the spread of contagious respiratory diseases. And despite lower rates of transmission between children, the danger posed to them still exists.

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ruizscar 3 days ago

Child dev depends a lot on interaction, and specifically communication, of which a large part is facial expression. Masks, distancing and dumb as fuck rules in school (my friend's daughter's hands raw from mandated 30-second hand washing) have stunted many kids. You have any concept of balancing pros and cons? Yes, there is a tiny danger to a tiny number of kids.

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HotNSpicyPickle 3 days ago

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're arguing in good faith, but you've got to be out of your mind to call death a 'tiny risk' compared to the horrors of too much hand washing. And regardless of the miracle that covid isn't more dangerous to children than it already is, the risk is still present. I hope your friend never has to go through what this family did: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2021/covid-children-deaths/

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ruizscar 3 days ago

First you pretended I was only talking about masks. Now you pretend I'm only talking about hand washing. My deluded friend, I'm talking about hand washing, open windows in the winter, masks, distancing, restrictions and dozens of other things. According to you, there is no apparent limit to how much we should suffer to minimise virus risk.

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HotNSpicyPickle 3 days ago

Obviously open windows in the winter isn't a great idea, but you must lead a hell of a sheltered life to bury your head in the sand and pretend like nothing is happening while people in our community are dying. Either that or you're a true coward to shirk hygiene to pretend like it's a freedom issue.

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joanna-joy- 4 days ago

Does anyone have the video archived?

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stRiNg-kiNg 5 days ago

Didn't biden answer a child's question at some point recently and assured her that she had nothing to worry about, essentially that the child had zero risk whatsoever?

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ThyKingdomCome1111 5 days ago

I just found this...sounds similar: https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/16/politics/biden-town-hall-coronavirus-second-grader/index.html >"President Joe Biden at a Tuesday CNN town hall sought to **reassure a second grader** worried about getting Covid-19, telling her that young children are the **"safest group of people in the whole world."** > **"Don't be scared, honey. Don't be scared.** You're going to be fine, and we're going to make sure mommy's fine, too," he said."

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stRiNg-kiNg 5 days ago

That's the one!

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ThyKingdomCome1111 5 days ago

Good tip!

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loveisloveislove334 5 days ago

I hate these people!!!!! My children have had recurring step throat since the masks!!! They have to wear them all day long and tell me the ways that they can drink water and have mask breaks!!!

I am so mad - Never forget!!! - All of these rules are made by people and organizations that "don't know" where the virus originated. NEVER FORGET!!! - The vaccines were created by the same people and companies that DON'T KNOW where this virus came from!

Sorry for the soapbox....MY KIDS THOUGH

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ThyKingdomCome1111 5 days ago

By the way, search for **"The Clear Mask"** -- Way better ventilation...! Maybe will help your kids...and smiles are visible too! I gave them as gifts to my whole family. ;)

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loveisloveislove334 4 days ago

Thank you!!!

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ThyKingdomCome1111 4 days ago

Anytime! There are probably alternatives as well. One I saw was more of a clear type of formed, solid mask that was washable. Search around too....! ;)

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ThyKingdomCome1111 5 days ago

This needs to get out there. No apologies needed.

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OrangePippins 5 days ago

Right on. YouTube is sick. There is no "science" here, there are just conflicting reports, hasty studies, all in the midst of a replication crisis and notorious peer review corruption. If we had any bit of journalistic integrity left, a mere crumb, the other side would be allowed to be heard out. But MSM science is so fragile that it needs the field swept clear so it can keep behaving like a tyrant. Good luck with your children.

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ThyKingdomCome1111 5 days ago

SS#: "Here are a few exchanges that caught the attention of YouTube’s censors:"

DeSantis at one point in the video asked if it was necessary for kids to wear masks in school. Dr. Kulldorff in response said “children should not wear face masks, no. They don’t need it for their own protection and they don’t need it for protecting other people, either.”
Dr. Bhattacharya said it is “developmentally inappropriate” for children to wear masks and that it “just doesn’t help on the disease spread.” He added: “I think it’s absolutely not the right thing to do… if we went back a year, a lot of experts would say that wearing masks for the general public is not evidence-based.”
Dr. Atlas later said “there’s no scientific rationale or logic to have children wear masks in schools.”

Later it reads:

"The World Health Organization’s guidance on masks says children 5 and under don’t need to wear masks; children between the ages of 6 and 11, the WHO said, should wear masks when they’re in areas of “widespread transmission,” and kids 12 and up “should wear a mask under the same conditions as adults,” like when they’re within 1 meter of the person they’re talking to and indoors."

See article: https://www.thewrap.com/youtube-purges-florida-governor-video-over-claims-children-dont-need-to-wear-masks/

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