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Tystros 2 hs ago

I think it isn't fair how you mention the old Curl issue, and CFBs stupid claim of "copy protection" followed by talking about sueing the researchers. CFB is just 1 individual, and because of all his stupid behavior, he is no longer a part of IOTA now. I think if you'd be interested in writing a fair article, you should mention that, and not make it sound like the IOTA foundation would have a bad track record, when it's really just that 1 stupid guy who no longer works for them now.

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HolgerKoether Holger Koether - Director of Partnerships 7 hs ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/Iota/comments/hre17q/add_test_vectors_to_demonstrate_kerlissions_by/fy59w7l/

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WachtmeesterB 14 hs ago

My take away: Dickhead collision alarm! CfB collided with some other dickhead. For something that happened 2 years ago, the timing of this post stinks to high heaven. Haters with long toes. I think we can expect some more of these in the next 6 months.

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Santatoshi redditor for < 1 month 14 hs ago

DCI please leave IOTA alonneeee

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Soatok 14 hs ago

...What's DCI mean?

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real-or-random 8 hs ago

(MIT) Digital Currency Initiative, the institution of the researchers who found the Curl flaws.

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Soatok 7 hs ago

Oh, thanks! Yeah, I'm not affiliated with them.

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bambinka 14 hs ago

The last trit of the seed is not used when creating private keys and addresses so this does not have any implications on the security of IOTA.

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Soatok 14 hs ago

You missed this part of the blog post: > Even if this isn’t exploitable within Iota, it’s still a huge fuck-up in the design of Kerl. > > I’ve lost count of the number of projects I’ve encountered that used secp256k1 as their elliptic curve choice simply because it was also the curve Bitcoin used. These are protocols doing ECDSA for JSON Web Tokens, or ECDH for use in ECIES schemes. > > The probability of someone eventually using Kerl outside of Iota is 1, and they will be vulnerable to collisions because of that choice.

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bambinka 10 hs ago

Yes, you are right, but this implementation of Kerl was designed specifically for IOTA and the binary<->trinary conversion. It was not meant to be used in other projects. So if even someone decides to use it in another project - it is their responsibility to read the documentation and take notice. The documentation is here: [https://iotaledger.github.io/bee-rfcs/0034-ternary-hash.html#design-of-kerl](https://iotaledger.github.io/bee-rfcs/0034-ternary-hash.html#design-of-kerl)

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kanripper 15 hs ago

Why is there a fox speaking?

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Soatok 15 hs ago

My fursona is a dhole, actually. https://animals.sandiegozoo.org/animals/dhole

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muchosiotas 15 hs ago

Interesting look back at the past. What prompted your article? You talk about trinary but I believe iota has now transitioned to binary. Also the founder you correctly highlight for bad behaviour has left iota now. Beyond that I don’t really understand the intricacies of your article as I don’t understand the subject of hash functions.

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NeverSeenBefore12345 15 hs ago

What i find most interesting about the article is the fact a zadress is listed for donations tbh. I oppose tin foil stuff, but remember curl-p?

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Soatok 14 hs ago

If I actually receive anything after posting this address, I'll probably donate it all to an LGBTQ+ charity. I don't expect to. I just included that to be sassy. :P

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NeverSeenBefore12345 13 hs ago

Fair enough! Thanks for clarifying. This community is used to back&forth between members of the IF as well as lots of ppl with ties to ZEC/ECC. I followed the entire thing back in the days and to me, while the if looked way worse with their copy protection claims, both sides looked bad. So this is dangerous grounds, but you probably know. As someone (you?) deleted the post, i‘m going to refrain from commenting on the other one..as i said, i oppose tin foils ;) And yes, sassy it is :)

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Soatok 15 hs ago

> You talk about trinary but I believe iota has now transitioned to binary. No, it hasnt. > Beyond that I don’t really understand the intricacies of your article as I don’t understand the subject of hash functions. Hash function collisions are considered "game over" for most contexts. The whole point of hash functions is to have a predictable security level against collisions (in the case of Keccak-384, it should take 2^192 computations to find a collision, not 2 computations).

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Antana18 15 hs ago

They do not focus on trinary logic anymore, better get your facts right!

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Soatok 15 hs ago

What do you mean by "They do not focus on"? * It's still used in Kerl, the hash function that Iota is using. * It's still [implemented in the Trinity wallet](https://github.com/iotaledger/trinity-wallet/blob/develop/src/shared/libs/iota/converter.js). Regardless of what they "focus on", it's still being used in Iota.

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SuperSainSanic18 2 hs ago

This is scary. This is what I’ve worried about since the technology came out, that someone or an organisation will attack opponents with deepfaked footage.

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TheDrunkenAmateur 4 hs ago

I hate to be that old guy that told you so, but can we please go back to days when posting personal information was moronic and nobody trusted anything they read.

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fickleferrett 5 hs ago

https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/

refresh to see a new picture. Technology is wild.

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MizzRizz77 5 hs ago

I mean how can we believe anything that the technology to prove it's real how do you get that technology

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SuccessfulOperation 6 hs ago

this is wild. A firm linked to NSO was used to generate a deep-fake of a college student that harassed Palestinian activists.

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AngelaMotorman 6 hs ago

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Funny_Horsie 7 hs ago

Interesting that whoever’s behind it protested the removal of their articles. I’d think if they could generate infinite free personas they’d just cut losses and run rather than stick to that one character.

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insanityfarm 7 hs ago

Great article, but it needs some clarification: the term “deepfake” typically refers to the transfer of an existing person’s face onto a video of someone else. Synthesizing images of nonexistent people using StyleGAN or something similar is a related concept but not the same thing.

I feel like this article frames the “Oliver Taylor” persona as a uniquely sophisticated psyops campaign. Which it may be; who know who’s behind it. But anybody can go to a site like This Person Does Not Exist, hit refresh until they find an image they like, and submit that as their headshot to accompany a pseudonymously published article. This takes nearly zero technical ability. The fact that the image contains telltale GAN artifacts actually comes across as pretty amateurish to me; a skilled and motivated disinformation campaign would’ve photoshopped that out to avoid such easy detection.

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wiwoo 4 hs ago

What's interesting to me isn't the tech of the fake images, but the activity of creating fake journalists and getting stories planted in various publications. Presumably the idea is to seed search engines with negative news about people so that when someone searches them, they are sucked into certain narratives. What's most interesting is that it's a lot of effort (relatively speaking) for a very minor target and narrative (claimed some activists were terrorist sympathizers). Knowing that this activity is being deployed for such minor items implies there might be a lot lot lot more of this activity.

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Hazzman 7 hs ago

Operation Earnest voice

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batSoupSuprise 7 hs ago

As soon as the first deepfake was discovered forums full savvy scammers have probably built an army of fake characters.

Targeting Palestinians through a Jewish newspaper... I wonder who's behind that... I'm starting to realise a certain nation is very much evil scum now, I think I used to like them too; fell for their propaganda over the years I suppose.

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WildWetMarketWhoops 8 hs ago

Is Israel using everything possible to gain support for the West Bank Genocide they seem so obsessed with pulling off!? Considering what Jewish culture had faced in the past it's ironic they're so willing to culturally persecute people; straight out of Hitler's playbook?

helped launch an Israeli lawsuit against the surveillance company NSO on behalf of alleged Mexican victims of the company’s phone hacking technology.

In an article in U.S. Jewish newspaper The Algemeiner, Taylor had accused Masri and his wife, Palestinian rights campaigner Ryvka Barnard, of being “known terrorist sympathizers.”

Masri and Barnard were taken aback by the allegation, which they deny. But they were also baffled as to why a university student would single them out.

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reddituse3800 8 hs ago

fascinating

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LM1120 8 hs ago

This is legitimately terrifying.

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ArtLounge 49 mins ago

I'm so tired of seeing these bot comments that don't add anything constructive to the discussion.

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itjustis3333 6 hs ago

This is making me want to scrub all my online profile photos. Who knows what they can be used for

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I_Frunksteen-Blucher 7 hs ago

On the other hand, the fraud was uncovered and it's probable that the more influence a piece has, the more people will look into its background. The faked photo may be new but articles are ghost-written all the time and frontmen are persuaded to push others' views and though it's unwelcome I don't see it being as insidious or influential as the vastly more numerous organized trolls on social media.

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GraffitiJones 8 hs ago

Shit's getting real. Deep fakes are actively being used to spread propaganda now.

Reuters was alerted to [made-up human Oliver] Taylor by London academic Mazen Masri, who drew international attention in late 2018 when he helped launch an Israeli lawsuit against the surveillance company NSO

In an article in U.S. Jewish newspaper The Algemeiner, Taylor had accused Masri and his wife, Palestinian rights campaigner Ryvka Barnard, of being “known terrorist sympathizers.”

Taylor appears to have had no online presence until he started writing articles in late December. Editors at the Jerusalem Post and The Algemeiner say they published Taylor after he pitched them stories cold over email. He didn’t ask for payment, they said, and they didn’t take aggressive steps to vet his identity.

“We’re not a counterintelligence operation,” Algemeiner Editor-in-chief Dovid Efune said, although he noted that the paper had introduced new safeguards since.

After Reuters began asking about Taylor, The Algemeiner and the Times of Israel deleted his work. The Jerusalem Post and Arutz Sheva have kept Taylor’s articles online, although the latter removed the “terrorist sympathizers” reference

Last week online publication The Daily Beast revealed a network of deepfake journalists - part of a larger group of bogus personas seeding propaganda online.

Big yikes.

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Roxxagon 9 hs ago

Deepfake technology is the most terrifying shit in the world to me. There should be legal consequences to using this shit.

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AngoPower28 4 hs ago

Can anyone say why are allowing people to do this ? Is there any good use for deep fake technology ?

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Roxxagon 3 hs ago

I can imagine a few, but to me they massively outweigh the threat of worldwide propaganda campaigns that might come form it.

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G3N5YM 10 hs ago

"it's some pretty cool tech, too bad it's mostly used for floggin the knob"

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SlavojVivec 6 hs ago

"Deepfake" is probably the wrong term used by Reuters, but I guess "GAN-generated faces" might be comparatively unrecognizable to the public.

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sonofmichael 10 hs ago

Finally, some actual chat about propaganda

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onestrokeimdone Redditor for 2 months. 3 hs ago

Its like all the complaints and opposition to brave are slowly starting to melt away. I wonder where the next goalpost will be moved to.

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mickmon Silver | QC: CC 35 | NANO 22 5 hs ago

Isn’t Gemini just for the US?

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Mcgillby Platinum | QC: CC 153, BTC 62 6 hs ago

Is there a way to have my wallet setup at gemini if I am already verified with uphold?

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bat-chriscat Philosopher 5 hs ago

Yes, in your creators.brave.com dashboard, you can disconnect your Uphold account. Once you do so, you'll see the option for Gemini. You can only have 1 wallet connected at a given time, so just disconnect/connect whichever one you would like to use!

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Mcgillby Platinum | QC: CC 153, BTC 62 4 hs ago

Will the brave already in Uphold be transfered out of uphold automatically or would that have to be done manually.

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okean123 Gold | QC: CC 101 6 hs ago

Holy shit, finally no more Uphold. Does Gemini also require KYC?

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Arauator Tin 6 hs ago

What about withdrawing your funds from mobile, still locked?

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bat-chriscat Philosopher 5 hs ago

You can withdraw from Android already with an Uphold account. Gemini support for user wallets coming next.

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Mcgillby Platinum | QC: CC 153, BTC 62 6 hs ago

Update to latest brave version on android and it can be verified and you can withdraw. Not sure about apple yet.

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Arauator Tin 6 hs ago

Yeah I’m on iOS, hopefully soon.

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GaltRepos Redditor for 4 months. 6 hs ago

BAT is such a scam. They must be desparate.

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Northenwhale Silver | QC: CC 68 | IOTA 76 6 hs ago

What's the scam ?

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GaltRepos Redditor for 4 months. 6 hs ago

Why does it have value?

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Northenwhale Silver | QC: CC 68 | IOTA 76 5 hs ago

Costs associated with advertisement purchases on the brave browser.

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legochemgrad Tin 7 hs ago

This is useful as hell if you already use Gemini or live in New York.

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Chyeadeed Bronze 8 hs ago

Withdrawal method? Meaning we no longer have to use uphold?

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renegadellama Platinum | QC: BTC 43, ETH 38, XLM 36 | TraderSubs 6 hs ago

I haven't used Brave or BAT, so excuse the noob question but why do you need to withdraw to Uphold and now Gemini? Can't you just transfer from Brave to the exchange of your choice?

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Mcgillby Platinum | QC: CC 153, BTC 62 6 hs ago

You have to do KYC at one of the exchanges before you are able to withdraw funds. You are only able to send BAT as tips or donations without being verified to other brave users and websites.

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renegadellama Platinum | QC: BTC 43, ETH 38, XLM 36 | TraderSubs 5 hs ago

So Brave uses their own integrated wallet to manage this? I can't just send earned BAT to my Ledger? Not gonna lie, I was pretty excited by the concept but having to choose between Uphold and now Gemini is kind of a bummer.

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Chyeadeed Bronze 6 hs ago

You would assume that. But no you have to go through some form of KYC. You should try it by the way. Its great.

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bat-chriscat Philosopher 7 hs ago

Correct, **Uphold is no longer the only option**. Gemini is now another option, and it supports NY. Starting with BAT Creator wallets, and coming next to user wallets.

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polarbearsarereal Tin 7 hs ago

I used brave as my old browser and had like 40 bat or something from ads, been using it for quite a while. I recently reinstalled windows and noticed there was no BAT left. I logged in with my email and it didn’t help, I never used Uphold, is there any way of retrieving it? Sorry I’m commenting here and not with support but I couldn’t figure out or I didn’t look hard enough when I tried to find support.

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bat-chriscat Philosopher 7 hs ago

Did you by any chance save your wallet's recovery key? :)

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Mcgillby Platinum | QC: CC 153, BTC 62 6 hs ago

[According to the response](https://i.imgur.com/Mnw4kMk.png) I received a couple weeks ago when I re-installed windows, the recovery key does not backup the balance. Only the pending rewards. Is there a way to re-install windows and retain your balance using the recovery key without being verified? Most users are unaware of this and are unknowingly at risk of losing their funds.

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aSchizophrenicCat 2013 Veteran 1 h ago

Did reinstalling windows wipe any of your old files / did you delete any old Brave files before reinstalling? If not let me know

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polarbearsarereal Tin 7 hs ago

Nope! 😂 oh well

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dwin31 Redditor for 3 months. 7 hs ago

Thats how I'm reading it. Pretty cool although I feel like I don't generate a ton of BAT even though I use the Brave Browser for like 80% of my browsing.

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barenakedbeerbear Bronze 2 hs ago

Have you tweaked the 'x ads per hour' setting? Unsure if you mean mobile or desktop Brave, but on Android I recently noticed this setting, moved it to 5 (max) and now get way more ads

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dwin31 Redditor for 3 months. 2 hs ago

Hey, thank you for pointing that out! I was talking about on my PC, so I found that if you go to brave://rewards there is a section right at the top that says "Ads" and there is a little settings icon to the right that if you click on it, it gives you the option to adjust the # of Ads per hour.

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bat-chriscat Philosopher 8 hs ago

Official Tweet from Gemini: https://twitter.com/Gemini/status/1283431746302869507

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