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Was just sent this by a few family members. Here was my attempt at a response (any feedback appreciated!):

I don’t find this article to be that compelling. There are some interesting points, but it is very one sided and misses the larger picture that has the experts very worried.

"On a per-capita basis, we shouldn’t be panicking" -this is a multiplicative process. The risk is systemic and you should be using what appears to be irrational precaution. https://www.academia.edu/42223846/Ethics_of_Precaution_Individual_and_Systemic_Risk

"COVID-19 is spreading, but probably not accelerating" -It doesn't need to ‘accelerate’ it is increasing at a steady tick. Again this dude fails to understand a multiplicative process. He shares graphs that show the increase in the growth rate is trending to zero (yay everything will be fine!). The problem is that growth rate is multiplicative. A growth rate of .2 means that the number of cases will double every 3.8 days. -Please watch this video on the subject: https://youtu.be/Kas0tIxDvrg -The video has a fantastic quote about the counterintuitive nature of the problem, “If people are sufficiently worried, there’s a lot less to worry about. If no one is worried, that’s when you should worry. “

“Both the CDC and WHO are optimizing virality and healthcare utilization, while ignoring the economic shock to our system.” -This is valid and gets to the crux of what I think you and Joe’s main argument is. What’s worse, a completely overwhelmed healthcare system and a massive # of otherwise preventable deaths (albeit low # on a per capita basis), or the financial hardship and sociological toll of a prolonged shutdown. I don’t think anyone can say for sure. My personal opinion is that we can spend The $ that we already treat as imaginary when it comes to Trillion dollar wars, corporate subsidies, bailouts, and social welfare programs. that cat is already out of the bag. I shutter to think of what the next 6 months could look like with a decimated health care system. Just think of all the health complications Peter and Sarah have had w/ their kids in the last year. If similar issues happened to a family over the next x months, people would literally die as a result of Drs having to triage care.

"A low probability of catching COVID-19" He argues the spread is not that bad and ppl are overestimating virality. -I think he’s just flat out wrong here. The first confirmed case of community spread in NYC was on March 3rd! And we now have over 10,000 case and 99 deaths in the city increasing at an exponential rate.
-In this section he also says, “ This study put COVID-19 into a spray bottle to “mist” it into the air. I don’t know anyone who coughs in mist form and it is unclear if the viral load was large enough to infect another individual As one doctor, who wants to remain anonymous, told me, “Corona doesn’t have wings”. this This is really really stupid and brings into question this guys dwindling credibility. Coughs and sneezes produce aerosolized particles https://youtu.be/wnafrAtfMzE

"COVID-19 will likely “burn off” in the summer" -I’m not convinced as it is spreading exponentially in countries with all types of climates. I think it’s way to early to make this type of claim. It makes sence that rates would decrease since usually viruses have a harder time surviving in warm air and surfaces. The studies he sites don’t account for one glaring issue with global reporting; Most of countries that are currently in their warm summer seasons are extremely poor and have terrible health care infrastructure, this much less ability to test.

"Children and Teens aren’t at risk" -This is a serious problem b/c kids are more likely to be asymptomatic, their hygiene sucks, and they are more likely to spread the disease to a more vulnerable population, their parents.

"A strong, but unknown viral effect" -R0 values are biased downnward https://www.academia.edu/41743064/Systemic_Risk_of_Pandemic_via_Novel_Pathogens_-_Coronavirus_A_Note

"1% of cases will be severe" -His #s are based off of people that are tested, not the true # of ppl Infected. CDC official # is 16% of cases are severe requiring medical attention. 5% of those that get infected will be critical requiring extensive medical intervention.

"Declining fatality rate" -Fatality rate is based off of positive cases that have died, as more ppl are tested, the true rate will stabilize. Additionally, fatality rate is biased downward as there is a lag between identified cases, deaths, and reporting of those deaths.

"So what should we do?" -I don’t know, neither does this guy. I have my gut feelings, but defer to the experts around the world that have dedicated their lives to this problem. I look to the CDC, WHO, and government experts around the world. They all seem to agree that we need to reduce the rate of spread at all costs.

Here is a Twitter rebuttal link from Dr. Carl Bergstrom evolutionary ecologist professor at the University of Washington.

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China is always watching.

I didn't have time to read it thoroughly yesterday and it's taken down now. Why I wonder...

and it's gone

Anyone got an archive link with pictures?

States are not overreacting. This is highly infectious and people are dying regardless of what you choose to believe. Do not downplay the severity of this outbreak. Removed and locked.

https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/76573/evidence-over.html

The article has been removed. Always post an archive as well.

Article already removed?

whys it deleted? o;

User name checks out.

Anyone know what happened to this article?

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TLDR: Based on a detailed statistical analysis of the worldwide COVID-19 infections, the US government and states are over-reacting.

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Basically a political piece with figures that its ultimate conclusion is please think of the economy, would no one think of the money i am losing <insert Helen Lovejoy from Simpson meme>

"COVID-19 is spreading, but probably not accelerating"

Can we just ban whoever posted this bullshit?

This is incredibly badly written. Also, claiming to be "known for popularizing the “growth hacking movement” in Silicon Valley" is a big red flag if you haven't built anything relevant.

My favorite part about this article is how the page opens up with the fact that literally anyone can post to the website and that not every article is fact checked.

https://www.researchers.one/article/2020-03-10

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Just upvoted it, let's see how long it takes for Reddit to ( over) react.

First, he says: "On a per-capita basis, we shouldn’t be panicking"

This is absolutely incorrect and irrelevant. Small numbers will become extremely large very fast. Exponential growth is incredibly deceptive. This is a great video that explains the "Paradox of Pandemics": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgBla7RepXU&t=8s

Second, "COVID-19 is spreading, but probably not accelerating"

This is completely false and he uses a very deceptive graph of the "Daily percentage increase in number of reported cases." Because the denominator is the total of all cases, it makes it appear that the number of cases is reducing. NOT THE CASE.

Third, he then says to "Watch the Bell Curve" in an attempt to say that the disease will eventually reduce. All diseases do this. The idea is to reduce death by preventing overwhelming the healthcare system. He then says that "Both the CDC and WHO are optimizing virality and healthcare utilization, while ignoring the economic shock to our system." This gets to the core of his argument. Apparently he's ok with many additional deaths in order reduce the impacts on the economy.

Forth, "A low probability of catching COVID-19"

His arguments here are weak and completely irrelevant because coronavirus has an R0 of 2.5. This means every person will pass it to 2.5 other people and it will continue to double in the population every 4 or so days.

Fifth, "COVID-19 will likely “burn off” in the summer"

Right now, it is spreading exponentially in countries experiencing all kinds of weather be it hot, cold, wet, or dry. There may in fact be some seasonality as the exponential spread dies down, but this is not currently known at all. The paper he cites is preliminary at best and much more remains to be seen.

Sixth, "Children and Teens aren’t at risk"

This is actually a major problem because they will serve to spread the disease faster into vulnerable populations.

Seventh, under the "A strong, but unknown viral effect" section, he says "Every coronavirus patient in China infected on average 2.2 people a day — spelling exponential growth that can only lead to disaster. But then it started dropping, and the number of new daily infections is now close to zero."

The reason for this was because China enacted draconian social-distancing rules to get a grip on the disease. Yet, he presents it as if it just naturally stopped spreading.

Eighth, "93% of people who think they are positive aren’t"

Completely irrelevant. People are scared and get tested. Currently the infection rate is low in the population, so few people are positive RIGHT NOW.

Ninth, "1% of cases will be severe"

He's basing this number on how many people are TESTED. Not how many people are POSITIVE for the disease. Literally right below this heading he presents data that shows that 20% of cases will be severe.

Tenth, "Declining fatality rate"

The fatality rate is the number of positive cases that have died. Right now we are focusing testing on critically ill patients but as testing increases we will start testing people with mild symptoms and the percentage of those that die will be fewer. This is simple math and is no reason for added hope.

Eleventh, "So what should we do?"

Here, this tech editor for a magazine with no medical training advises the country to go against the direction of the top medical experts in the world and to reopen schools, public spaces and the like. This RECKLESS and heartless advice could be a death sentence to many of the vulnerable and elderly in our country.

Despite the vast amount of contradictory info regarding masks use outside healthcare settings, there is currently no scientific evidence to support homemade masks as either "source control" or PPE:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

As unpopular as this info may be to some readers, please instead focus your efforts on maintaining social distancing, hand hygiene, and preserving existing Commercial PPE for healthcare personnel

There should be a database of possible cause of infections for incoming patients, which include the environmental factors at the time

There has been a strong emphasis on masks preventing transmission from symptomatic patients. I wonder how masks affect asymptomatic infections. Those people are still shedding virus through breathing and talking. Would it not be logical to think that masks prevent transmission from asymptomatic people as well?

I posted a longer comment reviewing this here

There is a recent meta study from oxford that checked 14 studies on this matter and the outcome was that face masks including respirators in the public do not reduce spread of an epidemic. Even for healthcare workers the effect was not mensurable.

So in theory of course putting stuff in front of your mouth reduce viruses in the air, you’d not need a study to confirm that. But the infection in real life is not slowed by masks. Means people don’t use them right or their effect is too small to show up in numbers

And still the lying WHO told ppl they didn’t need masks

“Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals.”

Finally, a publication doctors-for-hire can wave in the face of hospital management

Honestly, I think this is a kinda garbage paper. Certainly not deserving of Nature Medicine. The figures are poor and confusing. It’s full of grammar mistakes with horrible run-on sentences.

They also did this study years ago. Data was collected more than 6 years ago. It’s being published now because they’ve presumably had this half-done study which was abandoned and now they’ve dusted it off and published it at a time when everybody is interested.

It tells us nothing that we didn’t already know about surgical masks. But I’m sure it will be circulated a lot and cited a lot. Such is the Nature way recently.

Why did people wait for this study to act accordingly? Can't figure it out.

It says wear a surgical mask. This study doesn't talk about cloth masks that most people will wear. Also it says the surgical masks only stop droplets, not aerosols.

Smoke particles are about 1 micron. If you can smell smoke through a homemade bedsheet bandana mask, how is it going to stop a 60 nanometer virus?
Even if we’re not talking about a bare virus, human breath contains a lot of droplets < 1 micron. link

You don't say

You don’t say O_O

I live in Austria, Europe and we mandatory have to wear face masks starting Monday. 2 weeks ago officials were against it but now it seems that opinions have changed on that matter. We can either use our self made masks or you can get masks for free at your local super markets, one per person each.

Doesn't this show that sars-cov-2 / coronavirus is less contagious via coughing than the other 2 virus types?

looks like Hong Kong researchers wrote this just to prove a point to the world and people that say "masks don't work".

Wear a mask.

Wait, what? The experts lied? Say it ain't so! And here I thought they cared and had our backs because we pay their salaries.

My mask protects you, your mas protects me. Simple af.

Lol. Who didn't already know this? The research is sort of overkill for simple common sense. That's not to say that it's necessarily bad, but wearing a mask is insanely obvious.

Nature magazine is the premier science magazine across all fields of science. It is where the research that the CDC and WHO use to set policy is published. Nature magazine is essentially the final word.

Everyone should wear a mask.

Gee, I wonder why the virus spread so quickly in the US? Hmm, maybe those Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese were onto something....

How is this news? They knew this in 1918. Everyone needs to cover all breathing holes in public.

https://images.app.goo.gl/ardah8ne9obzetfn7

It's why Hong Kong has barely any local transmission, even though everyone lives on top of each other.

If we can get the entire world on surgical masks we have a great chance of beating this virus.

An acquaintance of mine works at a nursing home. Rumor is they are giving out those blue one time use masks to wear during the day, sterilizing them somehow, putting them in a name marked bag, an reusing them.

To me, one time use equals one time use. Any studies saying this is or is not effective?

If this is not a rumor, who could I anonymously contact to stop this? I am concerned for my acquaintances health, and can't believe other employees will go along with this willingly....

Bro, it says it on the box(es) I picked up in JANUARY.

How do you explain Germanys low death toll from covid19 then ?

Will the cia demand we invade Italy for lying as well?

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MILAN—In the town of Coccaglio, an hour’s drive east of here, the local nursing home lost over a third of its residents in March. None of the 24 people who died there were tested for the new coronavirus. Nor were the 38 people who died in another nursing home in the nearby town of Lodi.

These aren’t isolated incidents. Italy’s official death toll from the virus stands at 13,155, the most of any country in the world. But that number tells only part of the story because many people who die from the virus don’t make it to the hospital and are never tested.

In the areas worst hit by the pandemic, Italy is undercounting thousands of deaths caused by the virus, a Wall Street Journal analysis shows, indicating that the pandemic’s human toll may end up being much greater, and infections far more widespread, than official data indicate.

Bergamo, a city of around 120,000, has beenhit particularly hard by the coronavirus. Source: Bergamo city government (overall deaths,confirmed coronavirus deaths, average deaths overpast 10 years; WSJ (estimate of excess deaths amidcoronavirus) Overalldeaths inMarch 2020 Deaths inMarch 2019 Estimate ofexcessdeaths amidcoronavirus Confirmedcoronavirusdeaths inMarch 2020 0 200 400 600 The wider Bergamo province, which hasabout 1.1 million residents, has also beenheavily affected. Source: Bergamo provincial government (confirmedcoronavirus deaths); Eco di Bergamo and InTwig(overall deaths, estimate of excess deaths amidcoronavirus); Italian Statistics Agency (averagedeaths in March) Estimate Overalldeaths inMarch 2020 Averagedeaths inMarch2015–2019 Estimate ofexcessdeaths amidcoronavirus Confirmedcoronavirusdeaths inMarch 2020 0 2,000 4,000 6,000 Italy’s hidden death toll shows what could lie in store for the worst-hit areas of the U.S., Europe and many other countries in the weeks ahead if the coronavirus is not tamed fast. The burden that the pandemic puts on health-care systems can cause so many deaths that it is hard to gauge the full human cost.

As stretched and sometimes overwhelmed hospitals fight to save their patients, many other people die unseen and uncounted, including elderly people in out-of-the-way locations. In addition, the health-care crisis can lead to a surge of deaths from other causes that would normally be treatable.

“There are many more dead than are officially declared. But this is not a j’accuse. People died and they were never tested because time and resources are limited,” Eugenio Fossati, deputy mayor of Coccaglio, says of deaths caused by the virus.

Properly tallying the number of deaths from the pathogen can help public-health officials map out a response to the pandemic, such as making sure hospitals are adequately equipped for the emergency. It can also influence how quickly and strictly governments should impose social-distancing measures, and for how long.

But collecting accurate data is challenging for Italy and many other countries, due to the speed of the pandemic and the fact that most countries’ public-health institutions are geared toward normal times.

The Lombardy region, where this funeral was conducted in Cigole, near Brescia, accounts for 58% of Italy’s official coronavirus deaths. PHOTO: FRANCESCA VOLPI FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL Three weeks after Italy became the first Western democracy to place its whole population under lockdown, the rate of contagion is slowing. But in the northern region of Lombardy, where the epidemic started and remains centered, infections had already spiraled out of control before the lockdown.

The provincial cities of Bergamo and Brescia are the two worst hot spots, and have become symbols of Italy’s suffering.

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White House Presents Data Projecting Up to 240,000 Coronavirus Deaths White House Presents Data Projecting Up to 240,000 Coronavirus Deaths Dr. Deborah Birx presented data Tuesday, used to extend federal social distancing guidelines through April, projecting the death toll could be as much as 100,000 to 240,000 even with mitigation efforts. Photo: Win McNamee/Getty Images In and around those two towns, the real number of deaths is probably at least double the official count of 2,060 in March for Bergamo and 1,278 for Brescia since the outbreak began in late February, according to interviews with local officials, doctors and funeral-service providers and comparisons with the numbers of deaths from past years.

People are also dying of other ailments because hospitals are too overloaded with coronavirus cases to give them the treatment they need, doctors and local officials say.

Some 85 people died in the whole of last year in Coccaglio, a town near Brescia of 8,700 residents. In March of this year alone, the town’s main church bell has sounded the death knell 56 times. Only 12 of the deaths were officially attributed to the coronavirus.

Confirmed Italian coronavirus deaths Sources: Italian government; Johns Hopkins CSSE Note: Through April 1 Deaths per day Cumulative deaths March ’20 April 0 2,500 5,000 7,500 10,000 12,500 “We know the real number is higher, and we mourn them, knowing full well why they died,” says Mr. Fossati, the deputy mayor. “It’s a hard truth to accept.”

Another problem is that the number of virus carriers is also vastly undercounted. Italy has reported about 111,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus, but testing is mostly limited to those who show symptoms. Many virus carriers with no symptoms aren’t tested. Officials and health experts estimate the true number of infected people at anywhere from hundreds of thousands to six million.

The uncertainty about the death toll and the number of infected people makes it difficult to establish the true fatality rate of Covid-19, the respiratory disease caused by the virus. Estimates by epidemiologists of the fatality rate still range widely, but it is generally thought to be between 1% and 3% of those infected.

It is highly unlikely that the number of deaths *caused by* Covid-19 is higher than those being reported, as the number of deaths being reported is deaths from any cause of those patients who have tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. We know that, as of the middle of March, only about 12% of those deaths coded as "coronavirus" were confirmed to have been caused by complications of Covid-19.

So, while the number of deaths *with* SARS-CoV-2 may be higher than reported because of under-reporting, the number *from* Covid-19 is likely much, much lower.

And it will be elsewhere government leaders suppress data in the name of not looking like bad parents, for lack of a better analogy.

Another pay wall.

Those catacombs need to be maintained somehow.

"I want you to remember these people died WITH the coronavirus and not FROM the coronavirus” ---The president of the Italian Civil Protection Service in a morning briefing

What does this actually mean?

It means that the Italian death toll figures could have been artificially inflated by up to 88%. If true, this would mean the total number of Italians who have actually died of Covid19 could be as low as ~700. Which would bring Italy, currently a statistical outlier in terms of Covid19 fatalities, well in line with the rest of the world.

It means thousands of deaths currently widely attributed to Covid19, and being used to justify the introduction of measures equating to medical martial law, may not have died of covid19 at all but of their serious chronic co-morbidity (cancer, heart disease etc.).

This statistic is not a secret, or in any way controversial, it was in The Telegraph after all, but people seem to be ignoring it, or reading around it, or perhaps simply not understanding it. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/

No surprise here. Lots of deaths of going unreported. But also countless infections going unreported. The data is far from complete.

I'm in France and it's the same thing. the director general of health said that it was difficult to count outside hospitals. he said that the over-mortality compared to last year was 35%. it is starting to list deaths in homes for the aged (over 10,000 establishments), and it has already recorded almost 900 deaths that have not been counted since the start of the epidemic. we are today at 4503 deaths in hospitals + 903.

Yes yes "more experienced than anticipated" or some such. Obviously this shouldn't cone as a surprise but it's valuable to show actual examples so we can extrapolate from there. I recall reading about the Spanish army coming across an abandoned nursing home with elderly people dead in their beds. Were they tested????

Can we get anymore bad news from you? You literally live for this shit.

This means that if 60% of the city has been infected them the mortality rate is close to 1% which is insanely high.

Bodies are piling up.

Mimimimi

Makes sense. How many people go and seek help and how many already accept their fate at home. My dad is the latter and said he won't go to the hospital if he gets it, but he is taking the virus seriously and knows what to come if he gets it. Perhaps others feel the same and would prefer to die at home than go to the hospital and die and be stacked with the dead bodies

I don't think it's just Italy who are not reporting the full extent of the virus.

Pretty sure ours is as well..

Archive link: http://archive.vn/HtCnM

Let's see here, there's:

1. Faster than expected
2. Worse than expected
3. More than expected

and now

4 . Higher than reported

Archive link: http://archive.vn/HtCnM

https://youtu.be/8o_uXF9B4KI

Did hugging a Chinese girl from Wuhan help or Not? Does she still need hugs?

Can we stop posting articles that we can't read

I don't think that's what they called critical, hombre. Read it more carefully

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We really need proper masks.

My friends got theirs at this store..The N95 is sold out but they are taking preorders. Will be available on 10th April. You can get medical masks for now: mask - Riverbend Health

"Masks don't do anything".

Wake Forest Baptist Health recently did a study on masks, and there are articles all over the internet detailing their findings. They tested masks created by community volunteers to determine which masks removed particles 0.3 to 1.0 microns in diameter, the size of many viruses and bacteria. Some masks got up to 79%. Because we are in a global pandemic and we all want to slow the spread (right?) we can all wear masks to prevent from transmitting before we start showing symptoms, or if we are asymptomatic carriers. Thankfully a lot of people, especially the young, healthy people who work at Target, will be largely asymptomatic. This is LESS great for the shoppers who carry risks and could suffer immensely or die, because the young, healthy people who are carrying it asymptomatically will transmit it to them because they think they don't have it. You could actually have it right now, sorry to say. This is the numbers game we're playing right now. Masks can alter the course of the projected trajectory of these numbers. Let me know if I can help explain anything else!

https://newsroom.wakehealth.edu/News-Releases/2020/04/Testing-Shows-Type-of-Cloth-Used-in-Homemade-Masks-Makes-a-Difference

It's more of me wanting to do my part of slowing the spread as I have no idea how many times I've been exposed to it...at least once for me. Corona may have little or no impact on some people while it can be deadly to others.

no one thinks masks protect you 100%, it’s why they are recommended to be worn as part of a comprehensive package which also includes maintaining distance from other people

Keeping this in mind, obviously if EVERYONE where's a mask it'll slow the spread, but not every guest is going to wear one which means you aren't safe regardless.

Piss off, this should have been said months ago leaders. Little hard to social distance in a crowded work place.

Lied? No way! Too strong a word. Lied implies deliberate deceit. I don't believe they lied. Underestimated the need for, maybe. But lied about.. No way.

Are you wearing a mask? Is it recommended to wear a medical mask if you don't sew cloth face coverings?

Oh, isn't there a single government entity that'll use honesty in its platform?

"Yeah, masks work. But give them to medical workers, because there aren't enough."

See how easy that is?

Completely serious question, would a balaclava be effective at all? To my understanding corona is spread through droplets. Since someone wearing glasses under a balaclava should in theory be completely covered up, is the material good enough to prevent the droplets from getting through?

China has been recommending masks from day 1.

Nah, unless the CDC is shipping masks to my place of residence then I will go without. Pinching every penny as it is.

That’s because they were so busy promoting Who on Reddit as the source because they were giving money to Reddit to advertise Who.

Masks work, period. Westerners are so self-centred that they only think about the effectiveness of masks in reducing getting infected by others.

Even if you don't receive 100% protection you will lower viral load, which will lead to experiencing a 'milder' version of Covid-19.

As a matter of fact, even DIY masks work as per research by our version of the CDC which they handily have forgotten about all of a sudden.

There is a mountain of evidence that mask wearing in combination with the impact of viral load will reduce the impact of this pandemic but somehow, probably due to politics, they aren't having any of it.

If you can find one... or eggs, toilet paper & paper towels.

Removed due to endless flow of invective from other readers.

Hope you all fare well in this trying time.

Despite the vast amount of contradictory info regarding masks use outside healthcare settings, there is currently no scientific evidence to support homemade masks as either "source control" or PPE:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

As unpopular as this info may be to some readers, please instead focus your efforts on maintaining social distancing, hand hygiene, and preserving existing Commercial PPE for healthcare personnel

“Regular citizens should stop buying masks (because they don’t work) and leave them for medical professionals.” - CDC

Well why didn’t you just say there was a shortage of masks? There’s still a shortage and now we don’t trust you.

Y'all, it's not hard to make a face mask. Google it. There's even no-sew options out there, using paper towels or cloth. Y'all can do it!

Time to stop denying the fact that mask is working.

It's the same guidelines of only wearing a mask if you're infected (or in a medical setting where you're face-to-face all day with infected people) updated to reflect the confirmation that asymptomatic people are a significant vector, which means almost anyone could be infected.

"HURR HURR I CAUGHT THE LIE IM SO SMART" shut the fuck up redditor

This is sadly just icing on the cake at this point. Zoom has been caught leaking peoples' email addresses and photos to strangers, lying about having end-to-end encryption, selling users' personal data to Facebook, Google, et. al., and circumventing users' OS and browser security. They are getting sued for all of this and are attracting negative attention from the court system. Zoom has proven over and over to be a morally deficit company that has no concern whatsoever for their users' privacy and security. We need to stop using Zoom ASAP.

Edit: Forgot to include that The Zoom Windows client also has unfixed vulnerabilities to UNC injection attacks.

Edit 2: Zoom recently put out a very good blog post addressing these concerns and more. They do a great job of explaining what they are doing to fix all of these problems and how they happened in the first place. This restores a lot of my faith in Zoom, but this still serves as a good example as to why auditable and reputable alternatives are better, and open-source applications are the best.

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Some rules and laws don't make sense...

He's contaminating the fish

Comedy gold:

“Kim Prather, who works at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, told the Los Angeles Times that the beach could be one of the most dangerous places in California amid the outbreak. She said she fears the virus is being washed into the ocean and transferred back into the air along the coast.”

When government goes too far..

The police and butthurt lifeguard crated much more chance for the coronavirus to spread. The victim should demand his right to a speedy trial by jury.

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Wonderful U.S. Filled with stupid donuteating police officers and even dumber citizens with no grasp of reality ❤ I really hope you guys make it through this elitist pandemic/anarcocapitalist take over from rich people who enjoys fucking under age people on weekends ❤❤ Much love and understanding to all of y'alls 🤠❤

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The part of stay at home order people don’t talk about is not only is it to keep you from spreading or catching the disease, it’s to prevent other illnesses and injuries in order to keep the workload on the hospitals as low as possible. What if he got hit by a rogue wave and hit his head on the pier? Or he were to drown and someone had to do CPR on them? You’re allowed to go outside and exercise your body but within reasonable limits.

The problem is that we all can't be doing this. Times like this you really can't be thinking about individual liberties in the same manner. The beaches in parks can't be open for public use because that would require government resources to ensure social distancing was being upheld. You really need to focus in on the nurses and doctors who are essentially going to war with not nearly enough equipment to do so. We owe it to them to obey these state home orders. I promise you that if you disagree with what I'm saying, you would not be disagreeing if you had a loved one working in these hospitals.

Not sure why people are having such a hard time with this. They’ve made it pretty damn clear here in LA that the beaches are closed. We’d all love to be out surfing, swimming, and paddle boarding with the sunny weather we’ve been having.

When it comes to surfing, there are hundreds of people in the water, sometimes all chasing the same wave. That plus the mess of people parking and lingering on the sand gets out of control quickly. The first weekend of quarantine it looked like a damn festival at the beaches in Malibu.

This dude thought he could get a free pass to be out on the water by himself because everyone else was inside following the rules. He deserves to be penalized.

This might seem like adequate social distancing but the thing is that if something goes wrong and he needs rescuing, all his rescuers get pulled away from more pressing matters and get exposed to him. The water is closed because we can't dedicate resources to the safety of visitors.

I think the idea is more that life saving resources shouldn’t have to be used on every day accidents — if he nearly drowned, or hurt himself, or had to go to the hospital, etc. Yes, he’s social distancing, but if he had an accident it would put everyone who’d have to rescue him at unnecessary risk

My house is on the beach. I can go out to sea without bumping into anybody. As a show of solidarity to my community, I don't. Stay home and set a good example.

He broke the law where you’re not allowed to go outside in lockdown, different entirely.

Honestly the problem is and I am seeing it people are treating it like a vacation. And even if he wasn't immediately around anyone. He was going to gas station to fuel up for his excursion. Stopped by store to pickup some supplies ect.

Not to mention it pretty quick devolves into one person and then another and another and plenty of people wanted to be at beach. They just followed the rules.

Like I generally dislike cops and personally think the harassing arresting if anything is increasing the spread. Personally instead of interacting and then throwing in a crowded cell for a few hours then releasing because you aint got crap. And now they go around passing what they caught in prison to general populace.

That being said you can actually find articles about how vacation spots are becoming super hot spots. Because everyones treating this like a damn vacation.

I personally work in building supply retail. We are essential as people get burst pipe bad fuses ect. Or even just generally needing their home finished. As well as businesses and hospitals.

But honestly traffics jumped 200-300% because of the bored people treating it like a little vacation. And going and getting stuff to do remodel.

But the infuriating part is we put up sneeze shields require distancing and stuff. People are walking around the damn barrier to breath on us. Like ok your bored and to big of pos to follow health guideline and will put others at risk to alleviate your boredom.

Fine but at least be considerate keep your distance don't walk around the barrier put to protect employees. Personally if it wasn't a bigger health risk to public I would say they deserve jail.

Personally what I think they should do is anyone caught violating must out of pocket go get tested. If carrying the virus fine them 10,000-15,000 for putting public at risk.

Doesn't cause the jail problem don't financially incentivize police to go get money. As it would only occur with people that have it. With majority of money going toward testing.

Rtfm. He was not arrested for breaking social distancing rules. He was arrested for breaking a stay at home order. There is a difference. Read the fucking article before spreading lies.

See if you can figure this out, but I'm not sure you can:

1. The Governor's orders were to stay at home except when you must go for food, medicines, etc.

2. If a police officer asks you to do something like get out of the water and you refuse, you can be arrested for disobeying.

THAT is why he was arrested, NOT because he was "alone". Your title misrepresents what happened. Stop doing that.

Nobody was around because the beaches in that area are closed. Many coastal areas are doing this to prevent tourists and spring breakers from unnecessary travel and potentially spreading COVID.

Foolish remark about the virus being transferred back into the air from the ocean aside, intentionally violating an order to stay out of a public area that’s been closed is worthy of arrest. Anybody that reads the article can tell that the title is eye-rollingly misleading.

Source: beach dweller, can read.

If the beach is closed... the beach is closed.

what makes this guy so special? How did he get there? How did he transport his board from his home to the water? What happens if he needs rescue and uses resources unnecessarily? When he goes home is he stopping places? Seems like a selfish individual to me.

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It's scary to think how much American business is running through Zoom right now.

Security issues with China, traffic routed through China to the point where it's banned in Taiwan for security concerns.

Look! A political article that has nothing to do with the virus or Trump!

Consider this an olive branch, or just a breath of fresh air, but in this hit piece on the Democratic representative from Connecticut, Ars’s Dan Goodin points out a juicy bit of political hypocrisy on a topic dear to my heart: the dismantling of any chance we might have had at a right to digital privacy from our government.

I think there’s a lot to hate about the EARN-IT act; it does nothing to actually protect anyone, but instead makes it legal for the government (under the guise of law enforcement) to listen in on anyone without oversight and kneecaps the tech sector’s export of trustworthy software. Because, you know, there are indeed naughty photos of children on the internet and the feds can’t see ‘em.

Plus, as a topic this is something I feel we can all come together on: as the bill’s backed by both Dianne Feinstein and Lindsey Graham, this bipartisan bill can be dumped on by all of us in an equally bipartisan fashion.

We need an anti-dumbass bill for gating senate candidates.

This fucking guy's face is on News 12 more than that preppy d-bag looking weather guy.

God our senators suck.

"Well, if they don't have it, then none shall have it!" - his brain fart called thinking

The government means 'anti-crypto' for anyone besides themselves and their peers, who all believe privacy is only so that people can commit crimes, like they do.

Is zoom not e2e? I thought that's what the "client connection is encrypted" message meant, that the client was encrypting before sending. What does it actually mean?

Gonna try to suppress crypto so they can more easily take over with their own "official" US currency.

what a disgrace

It sounds like the problem is that the senator backing the bill disagrees with other senators that the bill would weaken encryption. It's in like the first paragraph, I don't understand why the headline would frame it differently.

Reasonable people can disagree with whether or not it does weaken encryption, which it probably does, but the bill isn't explicitly designed to do it, and another senator thinks it's really just a Trojan horse to do so, but because nobody's going to admit to that we can't know what the intention of everyone backing the bill is. Just reading the headline is definitely worthy for this sub but even skimming through the actual article will reveal that it's not that simple even if the senator backing the bill secretly just wants to weaken encryption for one reason or another. It's just the fault of the headline writer really. Also on another note, if the government IS pushing this as a Trojan horse to get access to people's data like with that Apple encryption debate, it's just not going to work because anyone actively trying to remain encrypted will still have access to services that use end-to-end encryption. Weakening certain encryption through a voluntary incentive is just going to make services that specifically advertise encryption more profitable. I don't think this bill is really going to hurt encryption in the long run, and I don't think it's the senator's intention to do so, at least not primarily.

What exactly is in the "anti-crypto bill"?

He wants the American gov to be able to access all your information and manipulate the public Not China. Evil shit.

Chutzpa!

Not just a backer. Blumenthal is one of the heads of the operation

not at all shocking for a politician "I want all my privacy safe, secured and protected, I also want to be able to open or get access to any information i deem necessary from you with ease"

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one of his staffers got the "rona"....

This is fake news.

The EARN IT Act establishes a committee to make recommendations on fighting child porn. Those recommendations will then need to pass the normal congressional procedures for becoming law.

Yes, it's possible that one of those recommendations might be to weaken or eliminate encryption. But even if that doomsday scenario happens, those recommendations will still need to go through a hell of a lot to become law.

This is "slippery slope" fear mongering

In before all the downvotes

That's how narcissism works.

PERFECTLY for ME (or what is my current scam's focus), but why do you have some notion you deserve this? How DARE you. Now accept your punishment like a good citizen. Nevermind someone is paying me to advocate for this.

Can't pay? Why do you THINK you deserve a voice? Oh, what Constitution? How quaint. It's just ME NOW BABY. DO AS YOU'RE TOLD or pony up.

Literally every Republican now has permission to do this like the abject narcissists they all are (thanks Trump!), and the rest (the rest ARE still politicians) are often so out of touch that it makes them seem like douchebags, even if they are just clueless.

This is how, after generations, we get scores of people voting against their own interest, over and over and over and over and over again, across generations of complete dumbasses.

And how a sitting President can say SO MANY things that are 'good for me and my identified group' and bad and even profane or horrifying for literally everyone else.

America is SO SO broken. Good luck in avoiding fascism when this COVID-19 is over. It's almost completely dismantled right NOW... There will exist nothing like the America I grew up in if Trump and his cronies get 4 more years to turn this into a police state.

Frankly, even Canada will likely be annexed in that 'next 4 years'.

Senators being stupid again.

Basically if you have key escrow so law enforcement can listen in, and/or decrypt later, you wind up with the equivalent of TSA luggage locks. (basically, garbage)

This isn't really accurate. He's not entirely anti-crypto, he was government back doors for law enforcement agencies. I don't support that either, but they're two different things.

He went full America.

is the government even allowed to do this?

Like this feels like a future Supreme Court case.

What does bitcoin have to do with zoom? Stupid article

Was it really an anti-crypto bill or was it some other bill that some other politician slipped an anti-crypto clause into and he supported it anyway to get the other thing passed?

When I hear stuff like this it makes me think there’s more to the story.

Not that politicians aren’t all scum, just saying headlines like this is how truth ( which may or may not be the case here) gets manipulated.

As unpopular as it sounds, you are 100% correct! People who are telling you to stay home are willfully unaware of the situation. Currently, all over the city people are going out for daily runs, walking their dogs, and getting exercise. Limiting the amount of places people can go actually makes things worse. Not only are our immediately areas more crowded, but our neighborhood streets are packed with neighbors who we know and kids who aren't following social distancing. Literally just to get to the end of my block I have to pass 30-50 people also walking on my street. Internet idealists believe that the stay at home order somehow guaranteed that people will stay at home if they can't go to beaches, parks, and trails. That's bad logic as a large portion of the population is going out daily for exercise. So we've canceled school for millions of people AND we've limited the places they'll go, when they inevitably do go outside. It's like taking a gallon of water and dumping it into a tiny cup, it's absurd to believe that the gallon of water will adhere to our bizarre perception of how physics work. If anything we should be signing up online to receive passes for using public space, not closing them all together.

The same terrible logic is applied to farmer's markets. The more you close the more people will being crowding your local grocery store. We need people to spread out, not be clustered in small spaces. Taking away spaces is seeing a problem and deciding to make that problem MUCH worse.

Now the flip side to that is you're less likely to get injured or need medical help if you go outside and enjoy your neighborhood. Just driving to parks, beaches, and trails creates an opportunity to get into a car accident or injure yourself at your intended location. That would create more strain on hospitals.

Overall, there should be some middle ground like the reservation system I mentioned above. People who say "Just stay home" are clearly blind to what is happening, or they themselves have really not taken a step outside to see the crowds on their own street. Heck, just walking my dogs around the block requires cutting through multiple impromptu tennis, basketball, or street hockey games.

brentwood loves it's coronavirus

It's clear that people can't be trusted right now. There's always those few that ruin it for everyone else

At least to people who go by themselves. Reserve fines for people who congregate and do not respect social distancing.

Nah, close the parks. Everyone stay home. Too many people will gather.

What's so hard about staying home,? Go binge watch tiger shows like everyone else.

We need to have outdoor time to stay healthy. I support this. What's next? Close the sidewalks?

This is a well presented argument, but it’s just wrong... People have demonstrated that they are not able to use these spaces responsibly. To keep these spaces open at present would be negligence.

Thousands are dying daily and our economy is in freefall, but let me get my "immune boost" from the beach with a few thousand other like-minded people and prolong the crisis? Nah, sack up and stay at home as much as possible please.

No I don’t think so , stay at home you clucks

Please don’t. Unless there is a system implemented to help keep people at a distance this would be a mess.

Nah fam keep em closed

We need access to public outdoor spaces more than ever for immune boosting exercise, sunlight and stress/anxiety relief. Losing access to the ocean, trails and parks has just confined people to smaller spaces causing neighborhood sidewalks to be more congested than any of these places were.

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....no.

This is the epitome of "this is why we can't have nice things"

I'm sure I'm not the only one that's noticed, but more than ever I can't believe how selfish and stubborn people are. I can't imagine how many cases could have been avoided if so many people didn't think they were special and none of this applied to them.

Some people think they made the ultimate sacrifice for humanity by staying indoors for a couple weeks. And now everyone will pay the price for it. I live next to a main road and judging by the traffic since the weekend, you'd assume things were basically back to normal now. Lawn care trucks everywhere, construction projects going, car after car driving by all day. Compared to a couple weeks ago the difference is huge. Did i miss something?

It's just terrifying how little most will sacrifice if it doesn't benefit them directly.

Anyone know if the Appalachian Trail is subject to the Governor's order? It is not a State or County Park.....

All this park stuff is like the old timers that don't want free health care for all because "socialism" but then protest "don't touch my social security and medicare!". Close all the stuff other people care about but I like going to the park so keep those open you jerks!

I say close the parking lots but leave them open to bicyclists/people who walk there. Would reduce a ton of volume that way but people who are going to keep moving and not just hang out can obviously walk through/bike through.

No

Two weekends ago there was about 15 cars parked at the park right before the last exit into PA on 80 at around 11am. When I was coming back home at like 3ish, there were about 30 cars and 8 Trooper cars ushering people out and closing the park down.

While the parks themselves are sizable, there’s still a focal point where people congregate. Parking lots, bathroom stalls, etc.,. Now because there’s nothing else to do, everyone and their mothers flock to these parks. My point, the whole stance of social distancing is diminished quite a bit at these focal points. We can’t flatten the curve if this continues.

Also note: this last weekend when I rode my motorcycle into PA. This park was completely cordoned off with yellow tape and cones.

Close the parks but do next to nothing about Lakewood. Our governor has botched this at every step of the way

I think a better option is limiting the amount of people allowed in parks. Close the lots, keep them half full, and only allow another car in after one leaves. That or have a lottery system. The parks provide too great a benefit to close them completely and they can be utilized while practicing safe social distancing.

Nah. People don’t have enough common sense and responsibility to be deserving of it.

I said from the beginning closing parks will be counter productive. It won't stop anyone from going outside, but instead of in a large park, they will be on sidewalks, bumping into each other.

There is a park near me, it's really more of a trail, but it has a playground at 1 end. I walk my dogs down there almost every day. It has a wooded area they like to play in, there's a creek.. There are usually 2 or 3 other people in the park, maybe on a really nice day 5 or 6. Now that park is closed and I have to walk into ditches and streets to avoid all the people on the sidewalks while waking my dogs.

Ivory tower limousine liberals: let them crowd in parks!!

If we keep the parks open we're going to have to close the playgrounds, cook areas, any narrow trails and make sure people don't congregate. I think this means a bunch of rules and a bunch of cops to enforce them.

I am not certified medical practitioner but I had heard on CNN that Coronavirus is airborne and does not need a sneeze to get infected. Even if not proven so , it would be not unsafe to wear a homemade mask!

Everyone should use mask to stop the spread. It’s simple logic. They recommend people to wash their hand, correct? That means the virus can be contracted form surfaces we touch. The next logical question is HOW DOES THE VIRUS GET ON ANY SURFACE TO BEGIN WITH? It must be coming out from someone’s bodily fluid. Then why don’t we just cover our face to completely avoid or minimize the spread to take place. Any mask can reduce the virus to get on any surface, so any form of face covering helps.

I think we should, the problem is if there is a shortage of masks and healthcare workers cannot get them

Yes and Yes.

You want to wear a mask? Wear it! You don't want to wear a mask? Don't! Stop waiting for someone to tell you what to do and make a decision for your self. You wonder why people are called sheep, this is why.

Yey ... the media finally started to use some logic and are connecting the dots between “virus spread through the air” and “masks that filtrate the air” ... two and half months later.

They started connecting the dots the moment CDC and POTUS finally seemed to be on the verge of changing their mind. Kinda to have the “we said so” article ... even after parroting the government’s “masks are useless” for two months.

I'm beginning to think no one ever changes their minds about anything concerning this outbreak. Well, except me of course.

Im really appreciating the Atlantic’s articles

Everyone should use a mask.

Not everyone knows HOW to use a mask. That's the problem - also supply of the N95 masks to the front line workers is more critical than protecting you on your weekly grocery run.

Masks and gloves provide a false sense of security - no one is actually thinking of contamination vectors but thinks that 'I'm wearing this stuff to keep me safe!'. Masks are generally single use - you put them on, don't touch them, do your job, take them off, discard. People take off masks improperly, (potentially) exposing their hands to the virus and then tuck it in their pocket for later. That's not proper mask use!!

I have a respirator from my shop work and I use it for going out - it has a positive and negative pressure seal which ensures the air I breathe is filtered. I have to wipe it down EVERYTIME I take it off, combined with cleaning my hands before and after touching it (usually sanitizer as I'm not near a sink).

If you're using a mask, use it properly...

Considering the fact that you can get it by simply being in the same room as someone who has it (and does not know, so no coughing or sneezing etc) then yeah, I think it's safe to assume it's airborne, just from breathing. If you could only get it from direct contact they would not need to be applying the social distancing rules, but rather tell people with symptoms to not go out. At least that's my take on it. It makes no sense to recommend social distancing, but at the same time say that it's not airborne.

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It doesn't matter that its not all airborne or even often airborne, that it can be airborne to a degree is enough, especially when combined with the other factors that make this spread very well.

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Define airborne. Can small droplets hang in the air? Definitely, for up to three hours. May not be the medical definition of airborne, but it means if someone sneezes up into the air, you could become infected if you walk through the droplets a few minutes later.

Should we all wear masks? Given the percentages of people who are potentially infected and asymptomatic, I would say definitely yes, if only to keep those people from unknowingly infecting others.

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Yes, wear it. If front line healthcare and first responders don't have enough, tough, right, as long as you are marginally safer ?

Paywall 😭😭

Everyone here is just debating the title, but the article itself is really in-depth and informative regarding multiple issues regarding what we know of the virus. I encourage you to read it.

and still employers ban masks in western Europe.

in the meantime, Czech and Slovakia are doing relatively good, with long borders towards highly infected areas and with high migratory routes with Germany, Swiss, Austria and Italy, due to short distances and a central position in the European geography.

while the west is getting wrecked, the masked ones like the Czechs, Slovaks, Taiwanese, South Koreans and Japanese are doing much better! this is what we get for laughing at people wearing tampons on their faces.

https://tv.idnes.cz/domaci/rouska-sacek-vysavac-vyroba.V200316_172802_idnestv_ande

you need rubber bands (strong) and staplers/sewing kit.

you can make your own masks. out of whatever that catches droplets. if you get infected, you don't need to give it to 3 more people. and you can protect yourself as well.

+ you look really cool with a Bane looking mask covering your entire jaw.

Off topic: There's something that most people don't realized. Try not to bring your shoes inside your house. The sole of your shoes may had come into contact with a surface outside your house that have the virus. In most asian countries, this is already a part of their culture. It is even considered rude to bring outside shoes inside the house. Try to regularly wipe your floor with sanitizing cleaner or whatever to kill any germs.

I don't believe there's actually a large percentage of anybody who thinks masks don't work.

Just in case someone hasn't seen my comment before and wants to make a mask:

For anyone who wants to make your own mask, here is the Deaconess mask instructions. This is the mask the hospital in Indiana asked home sewers to make for their healthcare workers. They asked for cotton fabric. They didn't ask for any non-woven filter or pocket or any other extras, so when I made my own, I decided not to bother with changing the instructions in any way. The mask is not hard to make. However, people should remember to wash and dry the fabric at least once on the highest heat settings you can before you cut and sew to ensure your mask will not shrink later (as you'll want to wash and dry on high heat after each use to sanitize them). I also made mine an intermediate size between adult and child because I'm petite and the adult size was too big for my face.

If they don't work why do doctors/nurses wear them at all?

There's solid research on this topic going back many years.

There is no question that masks have a significant benefit IF the wearer has been properly trained in how to utilize the mask, procedures for putting it on and taking if off and keeping it on when needed most especially AND IF they fully comply consistently with the training and guidance.

The only legitimate dispute is whether you can get a bunch of people to watch, understand, and accept the guidance from a video AND whether people will fully comply.

There isn't actually a question. Hospital staff wear them because they work. Don't be a dipshit.

That said, I have no masks. I am a dipshit :(

I see people with masks and I don't think they're crazy, or foolish. More than anything, I'm just jealous that they have nice masks.

It's obviously politics getting in the way of science due to the global mask shortage.

He's an animal abuser through and through. I think people have this perception that predatory animals can "take it" because of how tough they are in the wild but they can't. It's cruel regardless.

There are people defending him and staff punching tigers in the face and beating them as "part of training" in this sub

-1)they're wild animals they shouldn't be trained at all and

-2) any expert in animal behaviour and wellbeing will tell you that hitting is not teaching and it is not an effective form of training for any animal

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Joe is a piece of shit. His "larger than life personality" is a distraction from how badly he treated those animals. The babies being pulled away from their laboring tiger mama was upsetting. Then to see him bitching about the newborn cubs crying and waking him up just infuriated me.

The scale of Joe's animal cruelty was massive.

Can you imagine how great it must be to be a zookeeper for these things. You get to spend years getting harder and harder before the main event happens and you get to get off watching two bears fuck. Lucky bastards.

They need to get them good and drunk. The night will be right for love. Love gravy.

The headline is only half the story.

I guess these pandas want to stay child free.

Clearly pandas have a need for privacy.This seems to show how much more sensitive animals are to their surroundings than is generally thought.

TIL pandas are not exhibitionists

CNN missed free clicks by not posting the doggy-style pandas as their thumbnail.

Have they tried Smooth Jazz?

Everything from China is defective.

“And let me ask you this: the two pandas in the zoo. Do you care if they fuck? I don't. Why don't they stop telling me on the news the pandas didn't fuck again this year? I'm not concerned. I have no emotional stake in panda fucking, all right? If they want to, they will; if not, they'll watch "The Price is Right". Probably the only reason they're not doing it on time is 'cause some jackoff from the environmental movement has moved into the cage with them. Could you get a hard-on if some guy in a green t-shirt with a stopwatch was taking your girlfriend's rectal temperature? Leave these creatures alone!” — George Carlin

Oh the one hand... Aces are valid.

But on the other... Endangered species.

The zoo closes and the panda get busy. Who new pandas just didn't like an audience?

Can someone ELI5 this??

“If Ying Ying is pregnant, the gestation period for giant pandas ranges between 72 and 324 days.”

I am lucky if I get 15 minutes in a session!

Like high school all over again...

Pandas aren't worth sucking china's dick for

Rob Dibble?

Cue an infinite number of "my spouse" jokes.

Sounds like the setup for a bad joke

They need to name the baby Corona

You make a good point of why landlords should always enforce their rent. They're going to be criticized for being successful even if they do something huge to help. Abating all of your rents for 30 days is huge. Especially when most incomes have gone up between federal stimulus payments and enhanced unemployment. Better to keep collecting their money and add a few more units to the portfolio over time.

ALERT!!!!!

My (ex)boyfriend decided to pick up and move out today so there is officially a room open in this building. Preference for tall, single, nerds. I got board games, puzzles, and masks.

nah, if you go on r/nyc, he's actually known as an upstanding member of the community in general.

Well, good. But still a landlord.

FUUUUU-

you get the ‘not as much of an asshole as you could’ve been’ award

He’s cosa nostra

He must be rich. Good for him though that he can pass it along to his renters. A lot of landlords won’t be able to do that.

He's making himself out to be a savior like he decided to do it. Whether he wants to or not the mayor already issued a rent freeze. And any eviction processes are on hold.

This really is good news. I hope more and more landlords could do the same. 🙏 if people get fired from their jobs, how will they continue to pay rent? They'd risk their lives by going outside in order to get money to pay rent and this terrible pandemic will never slow down. By cancelling rent, this landlord now has a much better reputation, maybe it will lead to more business opportunities for him. So it's a win-win for him as well as for his tenants. I hope that more landlords decide to do the same. 🙏 thank you for sharing OP 🙏

A disgrace to landlords everywhere

Because he isn't a total piece of shit

still nice that he cancelled rent for them... most landlords are going bat*** right now because some of their tenants have lost their jobs and they want to evict in 24h

Imagine trying to do the same shit as a young and single woman in Brooklyn. You'd get harassed to death, probably sexually assaulted.

I'm sure he's a nice guy, but I want to point out that not everybody physically CAN do these things regardless of intent.

LOL, and imagine trying to run a car shop as a female in Brooklyn. You wouldn't have such nice community results, you'd be questioned endlessly on your competence and decisions.

Again, nice guy, but if you take the same kind of personality and put them in someone else, they're going to be very disillusioned.

So, why is he a parasite? Because he owns some apartment buildings? What was he supposed to do? Just buy the 3rd floor? He's not a slumlord, he's liked by his tenants...

 For the nearly four years Mr. Gentile[tenant] has lived in the apartment, Mr. Salerno[landlord] has been a model landlord... “He’s amazing.”

Not all heroes wear capes.

Hero!

Nice try.

Theres just too many paycheck to paycheck landlords who thought it would be a good idea to leverage themselves into more debt than they could handle, this dudes actually got the money to do this lol

I agree, but at least this guy is being a decent person about the whole thing.

A terrific feel-good story. Read the whole thing. Thanks for posting.

I take my car to Mario's shop. They charged me to fix my A.C.. After the first visit it worked for a bit but then stopped getting cool again. This happened twice after the first repair. He always insisted on not charging me for any repeat visits for the same problem until it was fixed and stayed that way. He does a toy drive for at risk kids every Christmas. He could easily be retired by now but he's at the shop almost every day. He's an honest, generous, hard working man. His sons work at the shop too and he's clearly imparted his virtues to them as well. And their gas prices are always the cheapest in NYC. He's the best.

You got served!

I heard a bunch of hasids died of shock when they heard about this

Man, housing is a human right. I don't believe it should cost more the 20% of minimum wage after taxes.

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Fox News?

Still waiting on Canada to join that list.

Shitty that so many people can't be arsed to wear a mask.

I went to the supermarket today and I was the only one wearing one. It also struck me that the overwhelming majority of the people shopping there was elderly, i.e. the ones more at risk of being hit the hardest by this virus.

I'm seeing conflicting info, can someone help me out (genuinely) because there seems to be two sides.. the "masks dont help you look like an idiot wearing one!" and "MAKE YOUR OWN MASK, PROTECT YOURSELF!"

I feel like masks for EVERYONE is a good idea (i realise the problem is stock) because you can carry and not show symptoms, so if everyone had one surely it'd be safer for us all? But I saw a nurse tell off an old man at the hospital last week for "unnecessarily wearing a mask" because apparently we dont need them if we arent sick?

I have a spare washable cloth mask from travelling in SK that I wear sometimes but I feel like I'd just get called an idiot for wearing it now?

Not a bad website for resources related to making your own mask. I am not across all the science regarding whether masks help or not, I just thought that I would share the resource.

Why are the masks from Irema not being distributed? Instead of importing shit from China why not purchase the entire production capacity from them and begin distribution to low risk people so they can begin returning to work?

My work doesn’t allow us to wear masks :/ and then the bosses tease employees who do

Thanks for this, it's time to have all hands on deck!

I support wearing a mask if you have one, but this image is utter bullshit.

Correlation != causation and those countries culturally wore masks before the pandemic.

No masks for general population

If you want a more effective mask you can use NEW Henry hoover or similar cloth type bags. The Henry bags are HEPA material and give better filtration