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SecureYam1 Yesterday

Just let me know where and when I can get tested. I hope this roles out quick to a visitor to your fine city.

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jphdeq Santa Clara Yesterday

I thought those infected can become re-infected and that you cannot become immune to COVID-19?

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zazaleaz Yesterday

This is a theory some have put forth based on the lack of information we have about this particular virus. Since we don't actually know, anything is possible. However, it is highly likely you do become immune after having it, since that is how most viruses we know of work. Nobody knows for how long you would be immune and it would vary from person to person. It could be years. The worst case scenario is nobody can become immune, in which case nothing we are doing would matter as far as I can tell. But that is unlikely. Next worst, you can become immune but only for a short time (months rather than years.) Worst case scenarios are scary, but in all likelihood, you will develop some immunity if you recover from Covid-19.

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jphdeq Santa Clara Yesterday

Thanks for the explanation and your time.

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hjklwarrior Yesterday

The test detects protective antibodies to the virus rather than the virus itself.

This gives scientists a snapshot of how many people in the county have already been infected, but weren’t seriously sick and didn’t realize it. And it tells residents whether they carry potentially protective antibodies – so may be immune to future infection.

Is this basically saying either "Yes you have it and are cured" or "Yes you currently have it"? Or because of the antibodies does is just mean the former?

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hpp3 Yesterday

It means you have had some immune response to it. That could mean you've fought it off and have recovered, or it could mean you are currently still battling it. You should be able to tell which based on whether you still have symptoms.

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TradeExcellence Yesterday

Pay wall

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qalejaw Yesterday

There's none. It says: >This story is available to all readers in the interest of public safety. Please consider supporting our coverage of the coronavirus outbreak by subscribing to The Mercury News. Only 99¢ for a 3-month trial.

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potentiallysumm Yesterday

Every one got h1n1 in dec Jan feb. Swine flu. It’s similar but not as deadly. Look it up.

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davidjspooner Yesterday

Hope this one works. A few weeks ago the UK government said they were testing some kits from a range of companies claiming they could do this. Recently they noted that the tests were wrong I think 25% of the time. A test that is not reliable can be worse than no test.

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burningbun Yesterday

It is useless without combining normal test you wont know if you are infected or not.

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mi-saks Yesterday

Christ. This is a test for antibodies not antigens.

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chanc2 Yesterday

The point of this test is not to test if a person is currently infected but whether they were infected in the past and have developed antibodies to the virus.

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GreenSatisfaction0 1 day ago

This is an amazing project

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jugglerted 1 day ago

This (with some time, and study) will finally settle the debate over the actual case fatality rate!

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jugglerted 1 day ago

Yay! With so much uncertainty and panic going on, these tests will finally give us the answers we need!

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YouThinkShesLumber San Francisco 1 day ago

OP has a great username.

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jMyles 1 day ago

This is the work of Eran Bendavid and Jay Bhattacharya, among others. They are co-authors of this editorial that I posted last week and Dr. Bhattacharya gave this very solid interview as well.

Strangely, it's not covered on their official website (perhaps this is reserved for therapeutics):

https://med.stanford.edu/id/covid19.html

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kestrelciel 1 day ago

I wish I had known about this. I have had a high fever three times this year, and would love to know if one of them was covid19. I hope they open up additional testing.

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Damoncorso 1 day ago

Yay Stanford uni and the state of California! Almost certain I had it early March, impossible to get tested back then. Feeling 100% now but would love to know.

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eric_reddit Yesterday

Does anyone know if you get tested a month, or two, or four, or eight, later wether anything would show?

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Damoncorso Yesterday

They say that your body creates antibodies within a few days of being infected. There is no solid proof of how long the antibodies last in your body, but they hope it’s a few years similar to other flu strains.

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eric_reddit Yesterday

At some point I would love to know wether I have infected everyone around me... That would be swell.

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bsavannah19 1 day ago

Same here

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perrochon 1 day ago

Documentation for participants below (Google Lens OCR)

==

Stanford Department of Medicine MEDICINE Primary Care and Population Health

Understanding COVID-19 Antibody Test Results

What is the test?

This test looks for coronavirus (COVID-19 or SARS-CoV-2) antibodies in your blood.

Your body makes coronavirus antibodies when you have the coronavirus.

Antibodies stay in your blood after the virus is gone.

How is this test different from the nasal swab coronavirus test?

The nasal swab coronavirus test looks for the actual coronavirus in your body.

This antibody test does not look for the actual coronavirus. It looks for antibodies which your body makes.

Why do we need this test?

We need to know how many people in our community have ever had this virus. Hospitals and public health need this information to make sure we have enough supplies and staff to take care of our community

What does this test mean for me?

No matter your result, you should continue to follow the shelter-in-place order and all the other recommendations of the Santa Clara County Public Health Department. You can find the recommendations on the back of this page.

I tested negative. What does that mean?

A negative result can mean one of these three things:

You have never had the coronavirus (COVID-19 or SARS-CoV-2). You can still get the virus in the future.

2.You got the virus in the last 7 days. Your body has not made antibodies yet, so the test did not

There is a small chance that the result is wrong and you actually do have coronavirus antibodies.

It is very important to continue to follow the shelter-at-home order and all other recommendations of the Santa Clara County Public Health Department. (See the last page of this guide for these recommendations.)

I tested positive. What does that mean?

A positive result can mean one of these three things:

You got the coronavirus (COVID-19 or SARS-CoV-2), and then you recovered. Scientists do not yet know if this means you can get sick again.
You currently have the coronavirus (COVID-19 or SARS-CoV-2). You may have gotten it at least a week ago (so you had time to make antibodies). This also means you could infect others.
There is a small chance that the test is wrong and you have never had the virus.

If you develop symptoms, you should seek medical care. Tell your doctor you tested positive on an antibody test. You should continue to follow the shelter at home order and all other recommendations of the Santa Clara County Public Health Department. (See the last page of this guide for these recommendations.)

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randbtcacct 1 day ago

How much extra would this add for transaction sizes and time to verify for Bitcoin nodes?

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adam3us Yesterday

simplicity scripts are remarkably compact. as you see from the data point even schnorr signatures which are a pretty complex program are within a factor of 2 or so verification speed of native. with more Jets that difference shrinks to marginal difference. larger or expensive to verify operations or whole scripts can be converted into Jets for size, fee cost and performance and proven equivalent to the formally verifiable simplicity version of the same script using verifiable-C also.

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fresheneesz Yesterday

What would a realistic size be for a bitcoin vault transaction using a simplicity script?

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roconnor Yesterday

Of course this is hard to say for sure without implementing a vault. However, we can look at the vault implementation we did in Elements Alpha from before. Remember a vault is a two phase transaction. In our Elements Alpha the redeem script of the first phase was 848 bytes and the second phase was 474 bytes. The recovery path would replace the second phase with a 526 byte transaction. Now with Elements, and Liquid, we have segwit style signatures. I haven't redone the vault scripts with the new signature style, but I would expect them to be somewhat simpler and perhaps more broadly applicable (perhaps supporting confidential values). Simplicity is MAST like by design and naturally supports pruning, which reduces the size of the redeem scripts further. Overall, and assuming we include a reasonable set of jets for this application, I don't see why we wouldn't be able to do better than we did in Elements Alpha.

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adam3us Yesterday

> What would a realistic size be for a bitcoin vault transaction using a simplicity script? that sounds like a u/roconnor question.

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windsok 1 day ago

If Bitcoin had Simplicity scripting today, the recent BIP proposal for Taproot & Schnorr signatures could instead have been implemented as a smart contract, without needing a soft-fork, as could the new Lightning network design eltoo.

Mindblowing.

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adam3us 1 day ago

https://twitter.com/adam3us/status/1246594448945025024?s=20

here's some more technical videos by Russell O'Connor presentations at Scale by the Bay 2019 https://youtube.com/watch?v=M4XnDrRIKx8 and CES 2019 https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pn5rySgyTQ0. and if you want to know what Russell thinks about those design issues listen to this https://thebitcoinpodcast.com/hashing-it-out-44/

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adam3us 1 day ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS47YxwxAMI

longer explainer about simplicity from Translyvania Bitcoin conf 2019.

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adam3us 1 day ago

https://twitter.com/Blockstream/status/1245466275691859975?s=20

high-level short explainer about what is interesting about simplicity.

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adam3us 1 day ago

https://twitter.com/Blockstream/status/1246589470088060928?s=20

@Blockstream CEO @adam3us will be holding a live webinar on #Simplicity next Wed, April 8th at 16:00 UTC. Learn more about Simplicity & how jets can speed up the process of developing Simplicity-based smart contracts while reducing their resource costs.

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adam3us 1 day ago

https://twitter.com/adam3us/status/1246587101442977792?s=20

interesting implication: if Bitcoin had simplicity scripts today it becomes self-extensible. Schnorr/taproot, sighash noinput would be implementable direct. Jets are a way to replace simplicity code with provably equivalent verifiable-C code.

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trilli0nn Yesterday

> if Bitcoin had simplicity scripts today it becomes self-extensible. I am very sceptical whether this is a benefit. Currently, the Bitcoin base layer is conceptually pretty straightforward. Enabling arbitrary complex systems within the base layer has severe disadvantages. * Bitcoin becomes harder to understand conceptually, slowing adoption. * The ability to inject arbitrarily complex logic in the base layer may Bitcoin be perceived as less reliable and stable due to bugs and/or unexpected behaviors. IMHO the base layer must be as simple as possible while also implementing any functionality to maximize support for second layer technologies like LN. Simplicity introduces more complexity at the base layer than is strictly required. Introducing complex constructs such as Schnorr and taproot indirectly through Simplicity makes Bitcoin more complex than it need be.

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andytoshi Yesterday

> IMHO the base layer must be as simple as possible while also implementing any functionality to maximize support for second layer technologies like LN. > One nice thing about Simplicity is that while it enables arbitrarily complex scripts, the Simplicity language itself is much, much simpler than the existing Bitcoin Script and has fewer edge cases.

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fresheneesz Yesterday

I'd love to see a discussion of this at r/bitcoinDiscussion. If we integrated simplicity, would we basically never have to fork (hard or soft) again?

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adam3us Yesterday

this is a very good technical question to analyse over the coming year. I think there is a pretty good argument that simplicity improves complexity management in Bitcoin, and gives a major leap towards plausible protocol ossification. for example the simplicity bitmachine and it's 9 combinators (operators) are extremely simple.. the simplicity interpreter has a formal proof that it will correctly interpret all possible simplicity programs. the verifiable-C version of the simplicity interpreter can have a proof of equivalence with the simplicity version, proving by inference that it also is correct. you have to balance that adding new features like schnorr and taproot written in C++, manually verified and soft-forked, and the on-going need to do more such things itself pose risks. with simplicity new operations like schnorr, can be proven correct, and replaced with effiicenct verifiable-C versions that are proven equivalent. worst case resource consumption can also be proven, as can the lack of bounds overflow of simplicity code. You could think about that as a framework for making bitcoin upgrades *safer* and less needed. A major step closer to protocol ossification.

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trilli0nn Yesterday

Adam, thank you for elaborating. > new operations like schnorr, can be proven correct What exactly is proven to be correct? Even if it’s proven that the implementation of an algorithm is correct, the algorithm itself might still have issues. > the verifiable-C version of the simplicity interpreter can have a proof of equivalence with the simplicity version, proving by inference that it also is correct. Then I’d argue that it’s apparently already possible to write provably correct algorithms in C, so that’s one less reason to bake in Simplicity into the base layer. The C code generated by Simplicity could be used instead.

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adam3us Yesterday

> What exactly is proven to be correct? Even if it’s proven that the implementation of an algorithm is correct, the algorithm itself might still have issues. mathematical constraints, generic invariants across all possible executions etc. equivalence to simpler mathematical definitions. now if someone implements an insecure signature algorithm, that is caveat emptor. but you could do something insecure via misuse of bitcoin-script today also, just in simpler ways. the use of a signature or new operation presents risk only to users of it, who opt-in to that. > Then I’d argue that it’s apparently already possible to write provably correct algorithms in C, so that’s one less reason to bake in Simplicity into the base layer. The C code generated by Simplicity could be used instead. it could but bear in mind most simple/efficient things can just be implemented inline at the risk of the coin owner or an application for a given usecase - without the need for the soft-fork upgrade and the ~2year time-frame that takes. Take as an example elltoo lightning, which is more efficient and has better reclaim semantics than current lightning - it needs sighashnoinput. In simplicity that's a simple inline use of some basic Jets and a tiny amount of glue code. I'm not sure if we'll see sighashnoinput available until 2022. That holds back permissionless innovation and the speed of protocol development.

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adam3us 1 day ago

https://twitter.com/adam3us/status/1246583363470852098?s=20

One thing that may surprise people is that there is with this release a test branch of Bitcoin introducing simplicity script (dev release for regtest). As well as elements which will be the basis for adding to Liquid later this year.

https://twitter.com/Blockstream/status/1246581437630947330?s=20

We're excited to announce a milestone in #Simplicity dev. A major new dev release with jets, premade building blocks that can be combined to create complex #smartcontracts on the #LiquidNetwork / Elements without building everything from scratch.

https://medium.com/blockstream/simplicity-jets-release-803db10fd589

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shakajumbo 55 mins ago

Lied? No way! Too strong a word. Lied implies deliberate deceit. I don't believe they lied. Underestimated the need for, maybe. But lied about.. No way.

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d1g1t4ld4d Yesterday

Are you wearing a mask? Is it recommended to wear a medical mask if you don't sew cloth face coverings?

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Tappadeeassa Yesterday

Yes. Anything that can cover your mouth and nose. Hair wraps, bandanas, scarves, fabric from old tee shirts.

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Automatic-Mention Yesterday

You don't have to know how to sew. You can use a t-shirt, bandana, scarf, [etc.](https://youtu.be/PI1GxNjAjlw) If you have dust masks or N95 masks you should consider either donating them or saving them for when you or someone you know becomes symptomatic. The cloth mask is intended to prevent asymptomatic spread and should be worn everywhere.

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Mostest_Importantest Yesterday

Oh, isn't there a single government entity that'll use honesty in its platform?

"Yeah, masks work. But give them to medical workers, because there aren't enough."

See how easy that is?

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FoughtForDevil Yesterday

Completely serious question, would a balaclava be effective at all? To my understanding corona is spread through droplets. Since someone wearing glasses under a balaclava should in theory be completely covered up, is the material good enough to prevent the droplets from getting through?

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zombiesingularity Yesterday

China has been recommending masks from day 1.

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MisterShunShine Yesterday

Nah, unless the CDC is shipping masks to my place of residence then I will go without. Pinching every penny as it is.

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WindowsCrashuser Yesterday

That’s because they were so busy promoting Who on Reddit as the source because they were giving money to Reddit to advertise Who.

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FuckMeHoldTight3 January Club 1 day ago

Masks work, period. Westerners are so self-centred that they only think about the effectiveness of masks in reducing getting infected by others.

Even if you don't receive 100% protection you will lower viral load, which will lead to experiencing a 'milder' version of Covid-19.

As a matter of fact, even DIY masks work as per research by our version of the CDC which they handily have forgotten about all of a sudden.

There is a mountain of evidence that mask wearing in combination with the impact of viral load will reduce the impact of this pandemic but somehow, probably due to politics, they aren't having any of it.

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Thrillhouse74 1 day ago

If you can find one... or eggs, toilet paper & paper towels.

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linuxunderitall 1 day ago

Removed due to endless flow of invective from other readers.

Hope you all fare well in this trying time.

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Jeroenh007 Yesterday

Damn Jaap, I knew you were reading this sub

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throwawayduo186 1 day ago

https://www.wired.com/story/its-time-to-face-facts-america-masks-work/ https://www.consumer.org.hk/ws_en/news/specials/2020/mask-diy-tips.html https://www.kuow.org/stories/even-diy-masks-block-coronavirus-here-are-tips-before-you-sew http://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-might-be-the-simplest-no-sew-diy-coronavirus-mask-2020-04-03 https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-it-time-to-wear-a-face-mask-11585855788

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linuxunderitall 1 day ago

Despite the vast amount of contradictory info regarding masks use outside healthcare settings, there is currently no scientific evidence to support homemade masks as either "source control" or PPE:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

As unpopular as this info may be to some readers, please instead focus your efforts on maintaining social distancing, hand hygiene, and preserving existing Commercial PPE for healthcare personnel

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covok48 1 day ago

“Regular citizens should stop buying masks (because they don’t work) and leave them for medical professionals.” - CDC

Well why didn’t you just say there was a shortage of masks? There’s still a shortage and now we don’t trust you.

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swirleyswirls 1 day ago

Y'all, it's not hard to make a face mask. Google it. There's even no-sew options out there, using paper towels or cloth. Y'all can do it!

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HKrumpet 1 day ago

Time to stop denying the fact that mask is working.

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BeyondTheModel 1 day ago

It's the same guidelines of only wearing a mask if you're infected (or in a medical setting where you're face-to-face all day with infected people) updated to reflect the confirmation that asymptomatic people are a significant vector, which means almost anyone could be infected.

"HURR HURR I CAUGHT THE LIE IM SO SMART" shut the fuck up redditor

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cosmicprank Yesterday

No u

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TherealChiller1 1 day ago

Nobody is getting sick all yall look like some dumb fucks wearing mask like brainwashed people

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KleinVogeltje 1 day ago

Dude, I'm not on three weeks of unpaid leave for no reason. I'm a healthy, 25 y/o male that found out just how deep the human sinus cavity is thanks to a COVID-19 swab. People are getting sick, with and without health risks. It's killing healthy people, even if less so than those who are already sick. The only brainwashed ones are the dense motherfuckers that don't take pandemics seriously.

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LoMatte 1 day ago

I briefly considered donating my pack of 10 N95's that I got after the NorCal fires but decided against it. I also have a couple of the surgical types that I've worn the 2 times I went into stores (only a couple people were in their with me and we all had them on) AND one of those heavy fabric style things that have the filters on each side and attach with velcro on the back of your head. No clue what any of them will do for me but I overprepared after the fires.

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pathfinder71 1 day ago

i knew it´s airborne since February 22 - just a random dude

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TenYearsTenDays 1 day ago

The "masks don't work :p" narrative was one of the most disgusting instances of propaganda ever perpetrated. Its whole reason for being was to quell panic when people realzied that masks do work but they couldn't get them and keep them from going to the stores to buy what little was left on the shelves. Why in the fuck governments didn't just nationalize that supply chain like Taiwan, etc. did is fucking beyond me.

Even now people are like "but cloth masks don't work" gah yes they do:

Twenty-one healthy volunteers made their own face masks from cotton t-shirts; the masks were then tested for fit. The number of microorganisms isolated from coughs of healthy volunteers wearing their homemade mask, a surgical mask, or no mask was compared using several air-sampling techniques. The median-fit factor of the homemade masks was one-half that of the surgical masks. Both masks significantly reduced the number of microorganisms expelled by volunteers, although the surgical mask was 3 times more effective in blocking transmission than the homemade mask. Our findings suggest that a homemade mask should only be considered as a last resort to prevent droplet transmission from infected individuals, but it would be better than no protection

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258525804_Testing_the_Efficacy_of_Homemade_Masks_Would_They_Protect_in_an_Influenza_Pandemic

Sure, they're the worst of all masks, but guess what? Handwashing is between 0-16% effective at reudcing respiratory diseases and we're told on fucking repeat to do that until our damn hands bleed. I sincerely doubt if a significant % of the population is washing their hands like a damn surgeon every time, so their reduction will be trending towards zero. ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16553905 , https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4177698/ )So should we stop washing our hands? FUCK NO. Do it anyway, every little bit helps. Same deal with cloth masks.

The problem is that it's true they don't offer much protection for the wearer from the environment, and the bigger point of them is to protect the environment from the wearer. This obviously works best with a high degree of adherence in the population. That the US only recommended this is almost certainly not going to be enough, especially with the idiot in charge saying he won't do it. And ofc in many European countries they're still saying "masks don't work :p".

Ugh, it's all so disgusting and stupid. I lost so much respect for so many people who brainlessly mouthed this idiotic bullshit I can't even.

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Levaant 1 day ago

This is why we should federalize healthcare. The government never gets anything wrong, giving them more money will certainly solve it and other things we depend on to stay alive.

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FruitFlavor12 1 day ago

You mean from when they said masks don't help? Or when they said that masks do help?

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Killroyomega Lvl 65: Santa's Saucy Tart 1 day ago

I'm gonna keep repeating this every single time it comes up:

Low quality or open masks will not protect you from getting the Chinese Bioweapon.

They will, however, help prevent people with the Chinese Bioweapon from spreading the Chinese Bioweapon.

I take serious issue with the CDC's word games in what kinds of masks are useful for what. It's dangerous and foolish.

n95 type masks and above will offer personal protection against the Chinese Bioweapon. A surgical mask or a bandana will not offer much, if any, protections against the Chinese Bioweapon.

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DomitiusOfMassilia ⬛ Yesterday

Genuine warning. Be careful about calling it "Chinese Bioweapon". I don't know at what point Reddit is gonna just close down subs for "misinformation about COVID-19 and threatening the safety of the general public & world at large" Remember that anti-vaxx opinions are on the same level as holocaust denial and are grounds for banning and quarantine. It would take literally nothing for them to include "COVID Misinformation" in that.

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Killroyomega Lvl 65: Santa's Saucy Tart Yesterday

> ""misinformation about COVID-19 and threatening the safety of the general public & world at large"" If Reddit Inc. decides to start banning people and subs for "coronavirus misinformation" they best be damn careful. That'll leave them open to potential lawsuits about them being a publisher and responsible for all the illegal content posted on the site wherever it operates. Be a damn shame if they started pushing Chinese propaganda and got sued by the Department of Justice. A real shame.

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DemolitionsPanda 1 day ago

Cloth will not stop a virus; but it will stop a droplet. Why do you think a mask will stop a droplet on the way out, but not on the way in? The fibers of a cloth mask have a good chance of binding with the virus capsule and rendering it non functional. Additionally, especially with glasses, it will prevent you from touching your face, transferring the virus from something that you have touched to your eyes or mouth. How am I mistaken?

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sgloux3470 1 day ago

Take a spray bottle and put a paper towel on the end. Then point it at your pantry and spray. Now put the paper towel on your face and spray your mask. See the difference between in and out?

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Killroyomega Lvl 65: Santa's Saucy Tart 1 day ago

> "Why do you think a mask will stop a droplet on the way out, but not on the way in?" The virus is not going through the mask on the way back in. It's going around it. You can get cloth masks with decent coverage, however you may have trouble breathing or will need to change it out and/or wash it much more often as it will get dirty and be useless or disgusting much faster.

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OrphanSkate3124 1 day ago

It’s the same here in New Zealand, from the start the govt had been telling everyone that masks do nothing to help stop the spread of Coronavirus, and all the media jumped on board.

I understand why a govt would lie about something like this, but they definitely made the spread worse, because your average person is going to see that and think “well, then a bandana or piece of cloth definitely won’t help me if a mask won’t” when in reality it would at least provide some protection

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prncedrk 1 day ago

I think it’s safe to say anytime you are sick with something you can spread orally, ie.. coughing, sneezing, etc.. you wear a face mask.

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notaprepper007 1 day ago

Of course and arw still lying cloth mask won't do shit. Goodluck.

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cameldrv - @cameldrv 2 days ago

The CDC has no credibility. Here's some real advice:

1. Don't go out unless absolutely necessary.

2. If you go out, wear the highest specification mask available to you.

3. If you go out, wear the best eye covering available to you. Sealed goggles are ideal, but even a pair of sunglasses will provide protection.

4. If you have to improvise a mask, try to use a filter material better than cotton. Some ideas: Vacuum Bags, HEPA filters, Furnace Filters, Car Cabin Air Filters. Try to make a mask that seals well against your face.

5. If you have extra masks, donate them. You may want to wait to donate them until hospitals start routinely disinfecting and reusing their PPE, because otherwise the masks you donate may get used once and thrown out. Masks donated later may make more of a difference.

Do not feel shame about wearing a medical mask out. The most useless mask is the one that sits on a shelf while its owner is outside getting infected or spreading infection. You are not denying a healthcare worker a mask by wearing one. You are being responsible and not getting infected. If you don't infected, you don't go to the hospital and infect a healthcare worker. If you don't get infected, you don't spread the virus to anyone else, and they don't go to the hospital either.

Look in your garage. Many people have a few masks left over from painting or sanding or wildfires.

erentz - @erentz 2 days ago

Lots of people need to be fired once this is over. This has been known for a long time. There is no excuse for it that stacks up except incompetence. You can argue about funding but being honest and factual is free.

renewiltord - @renewiltord 2 days ago

I was talking to some folks about the ill-advised CDC and WHO recommendations on masks, the resulting poor handling by the US government, and the rampant cargo-culting by people on Twitter, Reddit, and HN who decided to just signal-amplify the misinformation from US government agencies without critical thought.

While we were doing that, I decided to go see what Taiwan's timeline looked like. Pasting here for your sake.

New Year's Eve: Rumours of viral pneumonia in Wuhan. All inbound flights from Wuhan subject to inspection

Jan 5: All Wuhan travelers exhibiting upper respiratory inspections are now subject to screening

Jan 20: First positive test

Jan 21: Mask export ban, production ramp-up

Jan 31: Taiwanese government forced monopsony on masks (1/3 reserved for healthcare personnel). Announces rationing first week of Feb

Feb 2: Taiwanese defence personnel dispatched to bolster staffing at mask factories

Feb 6: Mask rationing starts

Feb 15: Mask production by end of month projected to be 10 million / day. Taiwanese population: 24 million

Mar 9: Mask production 9.2 million / day

Mar 16: Production 10 million / day

Mar 22: Production 12.6 million / day

April 3. Taiwan: Population 24 million. Density: 649 people/sq.km. First case: Jan 20. Cases: 348. Deaths: 5

April 3. Florida: Population 21.5 million. 136.5 people/sq.km. First case: Mar 7. Cases: 10268. Deaths: 170

Did we have to make the choice between the economy and lives? Did we have to choose between grandma and the dollar? Could policy have changed the outcome?

You decide.

collinmanderson - @collinmanderson 2 days ago

Official Recommendation:

Cover your mouth and nose with a cloth face cover when around others

- You could spread COVID-19 to others even if you do not feel sick.

- Everyone should wear a cloth face cover when they have to go out in public, for example to the grocery store or to pick up other necessities.

- - Cloth face coverings should not be placed on young children under age 2, anyone who has trouble breathing, or is unconscious, incapacitated or otherwise unable to remove the mask without assistance.

- The cloth face cover is meant to protect other people in case you are infected.

- Do NOT use a facemask meant for a healthcare worker.

- Continue to keep about 6 feet between yourself and others. The cloth face cover is not a substitute for social distancing.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-si...

exolymph - @exolymph 2 days ago

March 28, a mere six days ago, in response to rumors of an upcoming policy change: "CDC does not have updated guidance scheduled to come out on this topic. See current CDC guidance regarding the use of facemasks"

https://twitter.com/CDCgov/status/1243947313715961857

vehemenz - @vehemenz 2 days ago

I have 30 or so surgical masks that I bought in early January (I read the news), but now that consumers can't access those supply chains, I'm afraid to donate extras.

beaunative - @beaunative 2 days ago

CDC lied because people will panic buy, see what happened with toilet paper, it got ample supply, but still cant handle people buying them for year round quantity. They suspect our healthcare system will crash in a blink if people were panic buying masks either because medical professionals were in strike or sick

collinmanderson - @collinmanderson 2 days ago

This is really good.

exolymph - @exolymph 2 days ago

Real title is too long, so I tried for something shorter but similarly informative.

throwawaysea - @throwawaysea 2 days ago

It is tempting to blame solely the CDC, but I think there is just as much to blame to go around on the general public. Almost everyone was getting on their soapbox on social media to shame people who were wearing masks or trying to acquire a mask.

Yes I know there’s a difference between an N95 respirator and a cloth mask. But that’s beside the point. If the virus can be transmitted over an air gap, then people should be able to buy whatever face covering they want to contain the risk to themselves or their family maximally. And there’s nothing morally wrong with them trying to acquire the highest degree of protection possible, including N95 respirators.

Predictably someone is going to respond to this comment and say that the mask is more necessary for medical professionals or that it is more to prevent particles from exiting your own mouth towards others. The former might be true but it is totally okay for people to want to prioritize their own health. And as for the latter - clearly the reverse transmission is very possible (particles into your mouth/nose) and it is just a matter of time before everyone acknowledges this more openly and starts recommending N95s (most likely once supply constraints are alleviated and the lies are no longer needed).

Just as a reminder: the WHO, possibly at China’s behest, claimed even as late as the middle of January that the virus wasn’t transmissible between humans, a month after Wuhan doctors observed exactly this. It took several weeks for airborne transmission on particles to be acknowledged. And then weeks again to note that the virus can linger on various surfaces and materials.

The lesson to be learned is to trust personal judgment and common sense. Be self reliant, and don’t put faith in random authorities who’ve done little to earn your trust.

EDIT: this article discusses the WHO’s failures in this whole fiasco and how they are a political organization, more than a trustworthy medical organization: https://www.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6...

m0zg - @m0zg 2 days ago

What's going to really cook your noodle is when the CDC admits that the Trump pills work, which by all accounts they do, but you won't find it in the press: everything is very carefully suppressed.

https://www.sermo.com/press-releases/largest-statistically-s...

Doesn't matter what they say, doctors worldwide are using them anyway, in spite of the absence of rigorous, multi-year, double blind, randomized studies.

It'll probably take another week or two for them to not be able to sweep this under the rug anymore.

mnm1 - @mnm1 2 days ago

About fucking time. It's impossible to know how many people the previous advice cost. Or how much trust was lost.

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fivemangotrees 5 hs ago

Wolf leading sheep.

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HatePigeon 6 hs ago

Haven’t they been abducting people left and right? People who are not even Chinese nationals.

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mafa88 6 hs ago

Welp... there goes our rights

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Darth8 7 hs ago

Seriously!

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WilliamWyattD 7 hs ago

I'm having trouble discerning the appointment process. Was this just a rotating position, or was it voted in by any group of nations?

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Ready2Go17 8 hs ago

Well they fit right in with the criminal UN.

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ShingekiNoEren 9 hs ago

The UN is doomed. Throw it out and make a new one.

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Youareobscure 9 hs ago

Would this result in fewer human rights abuses being recognized in countries other than china?

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Claidheamh_Righ 8 hs ago

No, because all this means is that China has some input into a 50+ country process that hires special rapporteurs.

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kdude187 10 hs ago

China is the biggest threat to free society in the last 200 years......

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StarMarch 10 hs ago

It's funny how Westerners invented such things as the UNHCR when they were able to use them as weapons against oriental foes, and now that previously impoverished nations are gaining in power their weapons are turned on them.

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mrpeach 10 hs ago

This is just like the all male Saudi panel for women's rights.

In short, a bad joke.

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gustavelund 6 hs ago

What country would you like to see on the panel?

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Stained_Panda 11 hs ago

/r/geopolitics has become /r/worldnews recently.

This isn't a place to virtue signal your morals trying to highlight how authoritarian countries that oppose USA hegemony are.

It's about discussing what motivates countries to act and the impact of a countries actions on an international stage.

Comments like "we might need to make a new UN" belong in /r/worldnews.

I think we should be more strict with the rules around here. I joined this sub because /r/worldnews talking points are enough to drive a normal person insane. This place should not entertain simpleton CNN/Fox News talking points "China Bad, USA good".

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liamliam1234liam 8 hs ago

Most of reddit is in the grip of rampant sinophobia, and has been for the better part of a year, because that is what it is like in most of the United States. There is a reason both major political parties in the United States have virtually identical foreign policy, and that is extended to the population at large. China’s perpetual portrayal as an enemy just compounds itself, and without any dedicated factchecking (especially in an environment where anyone trying to factcheck is automatically labeled a brainwashed Chinese tool) there is little opportunity to counteract it.

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Gayheadmass 11 hs ago

Communism 101 - no such thing as free speech... USSR ring a bell

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Halloween_Jack 11 hs ago

Que bosta!!! É igualzinho botar a Damares como ministra dos direitos humanos... Change my mind

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stinkymatilda2 11 hs ago

Communist China is a threat to world freedom. This is horrible. China can not be trusted.

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Aquarium-Luxor Yesterday

The chineses dont know anything about universal human rights

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SwampSloth2016 Yesterday

So the wolf is in the hen house!?!?

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JBOMB-_-97 Yesterday

"China... will help pick experts on free speech," Wow, I bet their gonna do a good job...

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piperman_ Yesterday

An expert can use all his expertise to the worst possible outcomes.

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MyNameIsNotJonny Yesterday

Acho que a galera aqui não entende como funciona a rotatividade deste conselho... Nem como a ONU funcione e seus objetivos.

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0something0 Yesterday

Other commenters here are have correctly stated that the UN is meant to be a forum where all countries are supposed to be represented on a somewhat equal footing rather than a place to impose Enlightenment liberal values onto other countries, and that other countries with questionable human rights records have been on the UNHRC. However, we must look at this event in the context of wider Chinese geopolitical objectives and its impact on world events. Unlike under countries whose ambitions are regional at best, China is aiming to build a global sphere of influence, and taking further control of international institutions and maintaining its seat on the UNSC will be a critical part of building a Chinese hegemony.

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Revak158 Yesterday

So what? The point of international human rights and the whole Un System is international cooperation to define what the community of international states find important. All the existing treaties in the UN human rights system have wide ratification and countries send experts that support and uphold the ideas, China will do so as well, and has ratified all the treaties.

Are there differences in priority, interpretation, and future focus? Yeah, sure. China has a huge disagreement with Europe over who constitutes a people that have the right to self-determination and what the content of self-determination is. But that's part of the point of international cooperation. The international norms are just supposed to be what the community can agree on, not what the west can force on everyone else.

The HRC, regardless of who sits there, will follow the established treaties and it's own earlier cases and interpretations. It's a panel of experts, not of decision-makers. It has monitoring and interpretive powers based on what countries already have agreed on. These things seem to matter a lot in the media, but they really don't matter that much for human rights law, what matters there is more the general trends in the world and what the community of states agree on. China isn't looking to secretly undermine treaties which it has ratified and support. China has been a lot less oppositional to the treaties and the UN system than for example the US.

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TheRA1DER Yesterday

What a time to be alive. CHINA and Human Rights in the same sentence. Great banter.

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Vector_Strike NEW Yesterday

É o mesmo conselho que tem a Arábia Saudita.

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nuffsaid17 Yesterday

While Russia was busy buying off Republican senators and congressmen- China spent that time buying off the U.N. and the W.H.O.

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TulaFightingGoose Yesterday

This must be an April fools joke?

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uniVocity SA 6 hs ago

Shitty that so many people can't be arsed to wear a mask.

I went to the supermarket today and I was the only one wearing one. It also struck me that the overwhelming majority of the people shopping there was elderly, i.e. the ones more at risk of being hit the hardest by this virus.

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burnt_bread_ SA 6 hs ago

I'm seeing conflicting info, can someone help me out (genuinely) because there seems to be two sides.. the "masks dont help you look like an idiot wearing one!" and "MAKE YOUR OWN MASK, PROTECT YOURSELF!"

I feel like masks for EVERYONE is a good idea (i realise the problem is stock) because you can carry and not show symptoms, so if everyone had one surely it'd be safer for us all? But I saw a nurse tell off an old man at the hospital last week for "unnecessarily wearing a mask" because apparently we dont need them if we arent sick?

I have a spare washable cloth mask from travelling in SK that I wear sometimes but I feel like I'd just get called an idiot for wearing it now?

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Free_the_Radical SA 8 hs ago

Not a bad website for resources related to making your own mask. I am not across all the science regarding whether masks help or not, I just thought that I would share the resource.

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jeffftyed Yesterday

Why are the masks from Irema not being distributed? Instead of importing shit from China why not purchase the entire production capacity from them and begin distribution to low risk people so they can begin returning to work?

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wayxfinders Yesterday

My work doesn’t allow us to wear masks :/ and then the bosses tease employees who do

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CameronWoodsum Yesterday

You should share this information with them. The world health organization and CDC now recommend masks for the public.

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growflow Yesterday

Thanks for this, it's time to have all hands on deck!

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CameronWoodsum Yesterday

Agreed!

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borisbemyguide Yesterday

I support wearing a mask if you have one, but this image is utter bullshit.

Correlation != causation and those countries culturally wore masks before the pandemic.

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CameronWoodsum Yesterday

You're welcome to read through the science on the site (30+ studies support general mask usage). Given the science, it's obviously not a coincidence that countries with masks aren't hit as hard by COVID-19.

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misskarriage Yesterday

No masks for general population

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CameronWoodsum Yesterday

?

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Behemothslayer Yesterday

If you want a more effective mask you can use NEW Henry hoover or similar cloth type bags. The Henry bags are HEPA material and give better filtration

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bendygrrl Yesterday

I was looking into that too, when I came across a PSA from a doctor saying it's a bad idea. Apparently theres materials like fibre glass in it that can cause other lung issues, and materials like that when you have to cut them have particles that damage your lungs when you breathe them in. 100% cotton and a kitchen towel in there as a filter can filter 70-80% particulates anyway apparently.

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Behemothslayer Yesterday

Man ye can’t win!! One or the other is gonna get you🤨

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bendygrrl Yesterday

I know I was all set to buy a HEPA filter too. I ended up doing loads more reading on it and found this info: "It is scientifically proved that DIY face mask with [one facial tissue (inner layer on the face) and two kitchen paper towels as the outer layer achieved over 90% function of surgical mask](https://www.consumer.org.hk/ws_en/news/2020/covid-19-diymasks) in terms of filtration of 20-200nm aerosol. The Taskforce recommends that the public can consider using the above materials to make DIY face mask in time of acute shortage of surgical mask." Theres also some good info [here](https://masks4all.co/).

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OnHolidayHere Yesterday

Easiest homemade cloth face covering demonstrated by the US Surgeon General

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Phaeda Yesterday

One of the original [sources](http://blog.japanesecreations.com/no-sew-face-mask-with-handkerchief-and-hair-tie) of the no sew mask (trending for the last week or so, I might add) lists the size as 18" x 18" or about 46cm.

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Kygazi Yesterday

Real question is how much did he cut of the tshirt to make the folds

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Phaeda Yesterday

One of the original [sources](http://blog.japanesecreations.com/no-sew-face-mask-with-handkerchief-and-hair-tie) of the no sew mask lists the size as 18" x 18" or about 46cm.

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Kygazi Yesterday

This guide is really simple and clear thanks

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OnHolidayHere Yesterday

I just tried it out with an old tshirt. If you cut the entire front (or back) off a tshirt leaving off the neck band and sleeves, you can make a passable face covering like in the video. The wonky bits where the sleeves and neck were are hidden in the first folds.

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Kygazi Yesterday

I'll try this thanks mate.

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Appersonation 1 day ago

How long would we need to wear them? Six months?

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antipodalsky 1 day ago

i decided yesterday i was going to wear it for 18 months, based on predictions that's how long this will stick around for, at least. this is a great tutorial, and has three layers, which i think is important to block the nasties. [https://diyjoy.com/diy-mask-with-no-sewing-machine/](https://diyjoy.com/diy-mask-with-no-sewing-machine/)

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TheDefectiveAgency 1 day ago

Easy no sew mask just need a scarf/fabric square and elastic https://vimeo.com/403895457

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CameronWoodsum 1 day ago

Check the site! No sewing necessary.

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WitheringDaisy 1 day ago

Been trying to make some masks for my family. Realized I'm a great knitter....terrible at sewing. Might have to pay someone to make some for us. 🤦‍♀️

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CameronWoodsum 1 day ago

No sew masks on the site www.masks4all.co

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Oritinalthor 1 day ago

do you know anyone selling some?

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CameronWoodsum 1 day ago

You can easily make at home! Check the site

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Oritinalthor Yesterday

asesome.thanks so much

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CameronWoodsum Yesterday

No problem!

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TheSchaftShiftNA 1 day ago

Question to the people saying masks don't help you from getting it. How the he'll DON'T they help? I really don't see how they cannot help.

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josephgael Yesterday

Simon cunting Harris told them

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HopefulObject Yesterday

Not entirely against masks, but: 1. I've seen tons of people wear them incorrectly - e.g. cover mouth but not nose, peel off to speak, etc. 2. Fidgeting with a poorly made / placed mask can increase the amount of times you touch your face, which is counterproductive. 3. Most materials still let most virus particles through. Yes they will help a small degree, but ultimately unless you have a proper N95, even a good surgical mask will allow a significant amount of particles through, not to mention essentially wearing a scarf or a t-shirt around your face. In a world where we have a surplus of proper masks I would want everyone to wear one. This isn't the case though, so I am fine with masks being allocated on need basis, going to health professionals first over a random Joe who won't even use it right. It also worries me that people wearing makeshift masks will get a false sense of security and it will end up being counterproductive

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WhiskeyJack1984 1 day ago

I think a lot of the recommendations with regards to general public wearing (or not wearing as the case may be) PPE is so that we don't substitute hygiene and safe distancing with PPE. I mean personally I'd prefer if they said "Wear masks, wear gloves, but don't forget to wash your hands with warm soapy water and maintain at least a 2 m distance to others". Oh and I'd say governments are desperate to grab as much PPE for health care workers, who in fairness need it more than you or i. Maybe that's why this nonsense is being spouted out too? Who knows.

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CameronWoodsum 1 day ago

I think it comes from a place of ignorance. And because many government and health leaders have been pushing this false narrative. Same reason it's hard to comprehend why there are climate change deniers.

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brezhnervous 1 day ago

I don't know why the Aust govt hasn't followed the CDC's lead/advice on this. Particularly considering asymptomatic transmission.

I am wearing a surgical mask when I need to go out; having just had my elderly Mum in hospital after a couple of falls, where she then contracted HAP (hospital acquired pneumonia - tested negative for covid-19, thank god) I got used to wearing the one I was given on the ward.

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Vaywen 1 day ago

They haven't followed it because we still have shortages here and they don't want people buying them. Home made masks are better than nothing and everyone should try to get/ make one.

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brezhnervous Yesterday

Well as far as I know, you can't buy masks now so that's a bit of a spurious argument...I only got one because I was given it. So that's nil reason for the Govt not to recommend home made ones and disseminate info on their proper use/cleaning.

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ladyangua 1 day ago

I agree the issue was with shortages. Another issue is improper use can increase your risk of infecting yourself. They will need to put out some guidelines around proper and safe use.

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CameronWoodsum 1 day ago

Agreed. Yes, the US held off on recommending (bc of the shortage) but the public pressure has been too big that they can no longer push the false narrative that masks don't work

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xandaar337 2 days ago

Thanks for sharing. I'm making mine from shirts :)

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CameronWoodsum 1 day ago

Awesome! No problem.

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twoquarters 3 days ago

I made a no-sew mask using an old t-shirt, a vacuum cleaner bag and rubber bands.

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drjudgebot 3 days ago

Something seems off about that initial claim. “If 50% of the people wear masks, 50% won’t get it.” That is a paraphrase but it makes it sound like the masks are 100% effective. Am I misreading it?

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omega303 3 days ago

Just look at the cases in asia, way less when you actually wear a mask

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Sp4c3m4n819 Yesterday

I get it don't spread this shit around/stay home... but doesn't this set a fucking scary precedent?

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SenorPierre Yesterday

it's a slippery slope, for sure. not much else to say about it.

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Sp4c3m4n819 10 hs ago

I mean I'm doing what I can to limit exposure and whatnot but this kind of reaction scares the hell out me.What I keep thinking after all this is said and done. How many months of lockdowns can we actually bear and how willing will the government be to give back the their newfound power they hold over us? I'm a conspiracy theorist at heart so my gut tells me we may find ourselves in a perpetual state of emergency for quite a while. Mitigating risk I fully understand but I've kept my mouth shut on a lot of the stuff I've seen here where people are completely ready for the heavy hand of the government to imprison people for breaking curfews or orders not to assemble. It just doesn't sit right with me. I was fully on board until some of the newer data came out showing an actual adjusted cfr around .66% which mind you, is still pretty high, but nothing like the plague its being treated as. Don't get me wrong I'm not going to try my odds and see what happens I'll do my part to stop the spread but something just feels...wrong.

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SenorPierre 1 h ago

I wish I had an answer for you, friend. or even some words of wisdom, but I've got nothing. all we can do is take things one day at a time with the knowledge that it'll pass, eventually.

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thelionslaw 2 days ago

Yeah why do we even have laws or government? It should be just anarchy, natural selection

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SwillFish 2 days ago

Mah freedum to infect others is stolen because I'm too stupid to stay home! This is not Murica!

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felloffaraptor 2 days ago

OH I'M SORRY I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!!!

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DOGFORTHUNDER 2 days ago

Wait until Trump starts the Ministry of Truth to fight against all this fake news.

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rivke 2 days ago

There is a hundreds of years long history of involuntary confinement for people who refuse to quarantine themselves during outbreaks of deadly disease. And this tech has been used for ages to monitor people under house arrest. Surveillance is a worry but this isn't the harbinger the title makes it sound like.

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coldlibrarian 2 days ago

This saves lives during a pandemic and is so even more useful to society than when a judge orders someone under house arrest to wear it.

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eldred59 2 days ago

Fucking started awhile back..

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wackmagicka 2 days ago

Why'd yyouuu edit?

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wcbhkids 2 days ago

People who refuses to self quarantine should be charge w assault, battery or manslaughter as appropriate, depending on outcom Govt is here to protect everyone, not aid and abett public endangerment by a few egotistic and selfish idiots

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Broken_Doughnut 2 days ago

Yes, listen to your masters or suffer.

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wcbhkids 2 days ago

Guess you are one such idiot. Good luck kiddo, the world is not kind to idiots

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Broken_Doughnut 2 days ago

Seems like you've already bent over so far for your masters that you're eating out your own arse hole. Now be a good little slave and stay indoors. Probably not much change in your life style anyway.

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wcbhkids 2 days ago

So says the idiot

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fordmadoxfraud 2 days ago

Starts?

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matlockpowerslacks 2 days ago

Starts was my thought. I'm for more authority immediately rather than getting an avalanche all at once, with people wailing to take it all. The less we're reactive, I think, the better. Also, why is this person being listed by initials only? Have they violated a lawful order? If so, wouldn't their information be public information? Asking for a neighbor.

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duderino88 1 day ago

I used to listen to every speak AA did and this is turning increasingly irrelevant or outright ridiculous

The Davos crowd push a BullSh#t global powergrab w several strains engineered frankenstein bioweapons they'd be working on for the last 20 years (remember H5N1, SARS, Ebola, Darkwinter smallpox etc).

With the official narrative so holed that even a child can see through it, and..

.. these two hacks sit and parrot the official storyline?

Like written here, it doesn't even sound like Andreas, something happened to his brain and voice. Not to mention McCormack who now is holed up sucking thumbs and waiting for government to save him.

I'll tell you whats next:

- centralised food/water production/supply chains/distribution (forget paying for anything except central bank currency) - the key

- black markets globally for everything (like Venezula) with other currencies and non-amazon supply chain goods, here comes crypto into play

- like Hungary increasing abandonment of ordinary legislature and complete emergency powers, surveillance

- periods (months) of "waiting" and back to norm in btwn the various new strains and mutations being unleashed and dispersed "naturally"

- conventional agriculture going out of business and everything being taken over by corporations (financialised) eventually putting robots and remaining workless populus to field work at slave min wage

- massive "gold consfiscation push" for anything notably crypto, chainanalysis police force out in the open

- vaccine cards for admittance into public life and shopping

- total ban on demonstrations so as not to revive yellow wests anywhere on the globe

- disintegrating of the US empire, military and the dollar with everything it collateral damage

etc etc

Effectively Covid is a long awaited powerplay and the end of capitalism as we know it with its gigantic debt bubble.

Could be speculated: What comes next is NOT UP TO THE OLD, but the young people. If they have no vision for tomorrow, above dystopia will materialise in various forms. Bitcoin will survive as AA once noted: even the really rich ultimately have to store their stash in something you can't tamper..

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mccormack555 Yesterday

If you believe that this is a government engineered disease which governments have coordinated globally to control us, then I can understand how you have come to those conclusions. I don’t believe that. Right now I support the NHS, this is all we have to help save lives.

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1107461063 2 days ago

doesn't sound like him at all.

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mccormack555 2 days ago

He Retweeted the show

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Mr--Robot 2 days ago

Is there a video version of this?
Andreas sounds waaaaaay out and his voice is not the real one.
Did they replace him? This wasn't Andreas talking!

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mccormack555 2 days ago

I mean he ReTweeted the show

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1107461063 2 days ago

sounds like deep fake

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ninjajaguar redditor for 7 weeks 3 days ago

andreas is straight up the best speaker ive ever heard, just in general.

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Square-Banana redditor for 6 weeks 3 days ago

to be fair everybody was believing the virus was not as aggressive as it turned to be, and China played a role in concealing life saving info.

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Vaultoro_official 2 days ago

Not true, we in the office were watching this virus from January data out of China was saying it's airborne and asymptomatic for 2 weeks. The other thing that was observed is that no one in the west took it seriously. I sit in Berlin and everyone was getting angry at me when I and the office started to prep. The flights were not cancelled. Governments didn't take it seriously. Hell the WHO didn't call it a pandemic until way too late. The so called leaders of the world are now pushing blame anywhere they can. The fact is we live in the information age and the info was out there. We all had the month of February to ready our countries. We didn't because most people and governments wanted to react instead of being proactive. They would say things like, oh, there are only 20 cases here, we are fine. China is not blameless but let's not pretend things would be different if china warned the world two weeks earlier. Most people would have still said it was an Asian problem, it's not here, we only have 10 cases bla bla bla.

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Square-Banana redditor for 6 weeks 2 days ago

[https://www.theblaze.com/news/study-says-china-to-blame-for-95-percent-coronavirus](https://www.theblaze.com/news/study-says-china-to-blame-for-95-percent-coronavirus) [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-01/china-concealed-extent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-01/china-concealed-extent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says)

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Melting_Harps 2 days ago

>China is not blameless but let's not pretend things would be different if china warned the world two weeks earlier The CCP actively spread it by forcing the borders open in Hong Kong, despite local opposition, and the mainlanders who were in a panic went over in droves and overwhelmed the Medical system. They may have shutdown Wuhan but the fact that they still had Wet Markets after SARS and continual medical advisement that this would happen again and they still ignored it is the reason why I think they should be held culpable for gross negligence that has led to Crimes Against Humanity.

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Melting_Harps 2 days ago

>China played a role in concealing life saving info. Concealing? That is a very mild way of describing what the CCP actually did: arrested the physician warning about the grave nature of Covid19, dissapearing citizen journalists who were showing the amount of deaths and the the grotesque and inadequate standards people were being 'treated' in that looked more like a prison camp. Covering up the number of dead that do not coincide with locals, and possibly opening up the spread even further by re-opening the Shops the way that they have. All while expending endless amount of time and resources in Hong Kong, forcing draconian legislation, beating activists and disappearing people who protest and forcing the borders between Hk and the mainland open while the People of HK were doing their best to limit the contagion and having their hospitals overwhelmed with mainlanders. I swear if the CCP and the WHO is not investigated by the International Court of Justice for Crimes Against Humanity for all of this then they're making war, be it economic or hot, almost inevitable. I'm not in favour of War (I detest it), but seeing the utter chaos this wrought on the World, politicians will be able to foment it rather easy. Boycotting China was once deemed as impossible, after this it seems we HAVE to find ways to do without them. Reddit has major funding by China/Tencent (CCP controls all major Corps in China) so this may be something to keep in mind why all this nonsense of 'China did the right thing' narrative keeps appearing.

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IndianaGeoff 2 days ago

The WHO needs to be disbanded (China can keep it if they want to continue to buy it) and a new World pandemic organization created with proper leadership and oversight. There is no excuse for what the WHO has done.

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