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Source: nytimes.com ·
Hospitals in the city are facing the kind of harrowing increases in cases that overwhelmed health care systems in China and Italy.
Balaji S. Srinivasan - @balajis
4 days ago
RT @covidperspectiv: New York's 1,800 ICU beds are expected to be full in 48 hours. Obstetrician-gynecologists and radiologists are being called in to work in emergency wards. The situation is sadly deteriorating.
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Leigh Cuen - @La__Cuen
4 days ago
RT @fmanjoo: New York City, 2020 https://t.co/EuCbc5QZyN https://t.co/kSQFjIFUe7
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Michael Casey - @mikejcasey
4 days ago
Heartbreaking. The Italian doctors' stories are now here.
This tragedy is only modestly caused by COVID0-19.
It's mostly due politicians who a) depleted investment in public infrastructure and b) were too concerned about optics to act aggressively once writing was on the wall. https://t.co/pZBifS7q4l
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Christopher Wheeler - @Stocktrader
4 days ago
RT @fmanjoo: New York City, 2020 https://t.co/EuCbc5QZyN https://t.co/kSQFjIFUe7
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GhostBalloons19
:flag-us: America 3 days ago
“We had to get a refrigerated truck to store the bodies of patients who are dying.”
I read in another article that the state of New York has ordered 85 refrigeration trucks from fema to use as morgues.
Donald Trump’s incompetence and procrastination caused this. We aren’t prepared for the worst that’s still coming.
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beef-supreme
Leslieville 3 days ago
this is outside our scope (Toronto) - discussion would go in the Megathread
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luvthe1ugot
4 days ago
I’m really disliking the use of “apocalyptic” here because it’s only the beginning. Also it’s sort of insulting to places like Lombardy and Wuhan.
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RoutineReflection9
4 days ago
Lol 8 deaths per day in NYC is apocalyptic? Jesus, 50 crackheads OD’d in that same period.
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sc2summerloud
4 days ago
13 deaths in a day? those are rookie numbers. expect them to go tenfold within a few days...
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schmidtb26
4 days ago
The deaths from the disease are bad enough. My best friends mom took her life the other day after having retired from the police force she worked at for 26 years. She bought a new condo, got a new job and was still 5 years out from collecting her pension. She lost her job 2 weeks ago and was dead by Saturday. The deaths not counted in the covid19 statistics will increase as well as the economy gets worse. We are headed for dark times.
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Sstnd
4 days ago
Guns Childmortality Corona
Basicly everything that first world countries should be able to eradicate
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putotoystory
4 days ago
OMG. I just finished watching contagion and got really really paranoid beyond this point. I really hope a vaccine will be available in 3-4 weeks.
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NoneForYouBro
4 days ago
12-18 months unfortunately. Just do your civic duty and stay at home if you have the ability to.
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putotoystory
3 days ago
Yeah, I know that's not how it works which is sad, that's why I'm hoping for a Miracle. lol
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Main-Regular
4 days ago
At this point, you have to choose to be ignorant enough to take that kind of stance. You're better than this, man. I don't know you, but you can do better than an intellectually dishonest remark like this.
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FishrNC
4 days ago
Nothing dishonest about it. Just a fact that every year ordinary influenza kills more than this coronavirus appears on a course to do. I feel for everyone who loses a loved one to any disease, but hysteria does nothing but increase the damage that already is inevitable. For your reading consideration:
[https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza](https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza)
And the NYT doesn't do anyone a favor using words like "Apocalyptic".
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LakersRebuild
4 days ago
Let’s look at facts...
Flu R0 = 1.3
H1N1 R0 = 1.3
COVID19 R0 ~ 2.5
Flu infects ~ 30 million Americans / season
H1N1 infected ~ 60 million in the US
2 virus w/similar R0 value but H1N1 infected twice as much, why? No vaccine. About 48% of Americans gets the flu vaccine a year.
COVID19 is much more infectious, and it has no vaccine. Which means it would infect a lot more than 60 million Americans.
Then let’s look at fatality rate...
Flu = 0.1%
H1N1 = 0.02%
COVID19 from 0.6% (S.Korea) ~ 10% (Italy)
Flu kills about 15k-60k Americans/year on the average.
H1N1 killed about 12,000.
So assume we don’t buy into the “hysteria” and allow the virus to run its course... and let’s assume by some miracle it ONLY infects 60 million Americans like the H1N1 did (keep in mind that it is much less infectious than COVID19). Let’s apply the best case number of 0.6% death...
That’s 360,000 death. Much, much more than the flu, in the best case scenario.
Then let’s look at what’s really going to be a problem, the collapse of the health care system.
Let’s take that 60 million infected number, and apply the 20% which will require hospital care, that’s 12 million cases. We have about 1 million beds in the US as any given time, and much much less ICU and ventilators.
This is not fear mongering, not hysteria. Especially not when multiple countries has shown it can bring even the finest health system to its knees. Medical workers dying. Patients being selected to live or die because there’s not enough resources to save them all.
To still believe the world is overreacting is to stick your head in a giant pile of shit while a forest fire is raging all around you.
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FishrNC
3 days ago
At this point no-one knows the true number of persons infected by COVID-19. Not in the US, not in Italy, not China, or anywhere. So the true mortality rate can only be surmised. And like the flu, this will eventually become a exercise in estimates. So our arguments using numbers, both yours, mine, and our sources, are at best incomplete at this time.
So my position is, and remains, that the media has hyped this up to the point where the politicians have to do something and as usual anything they do has unintended consequence. I hope that it passes quickly and the emotional and economic impact can be held within bounds.
Only time will tell what the real story is.
And I hope your other discussions and comments throughout the web don't always end in profanities and insults like they have on this thread. Goodby.
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LakersRebuild
3 days ago
Yes. Mortality rate is unknown, that’s why we take the data we have a make an educated case, which is about 2-6%. But for discussion sake, I took the lowest known ratio of 0.6% from South Korea.
The 0.6% is likely quite accurate due to the wide spread testing South Korea is doing.
But let’s not dwell on the numbers and argue over their validity. Let’s simply take a look at reality we are seeing all over the world where medical system being overwhelmed. When we lack medical resources, unnecessary deaths will be the result.
Beyond mainstream media in the US, the same information is being reported from different media sources globally, in different languages, as well as anecdotally by front line medical staffs directly. There is no arguments on whether our healthcare system is being overwhelmed. It IS happening right now.
Now you can dismiss these as a giant global co-conspiracy, meant to create this “hysteria”. Or at the very least, thinks there’s a slight possibility that this is a global pandemic and that more stringent precautions should be taken in your daily life.
Why? So we can reduce unnecessary deaths.
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Tato7069
4 days ago
I know someone who works in construction on long Island. His recent job was turning a gas station into a morgue and cutting the guard rail between the hospital and the gas station so refrigerated trucks have a direct route. This is real. Stay inside
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bye_stander
4 days ago
I feel bad that so many people are dying of no fault of their own. Their death could have been prevented if US government would have been proactive. Even until mid March there was no check at airports.
Instead of providing ways to prevent it using masks, the government was downplaying it. What's worse is no one will pay for these deaths
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noobpipesmoker
4 days ago
Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control.”
Jan. 24: “It will all work out well.”
Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it. So that I can assure you.”
Feb. 2: “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China. … We can’t have thousands of people coming in who may have this problem, the coronavirus. So we’re gonna see what happens, but we did shut it down, yes.”
Feb. 10: “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.”
Feb. 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”
Feb. 19: “I think it’s going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus. So let’s see what happens, but I think it’s going to work out fine.”
Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. … Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
Feb. 25: “You may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are … getting better. They’re all getting better. … As far as what we’re doing with the new virus, I think that we’re doing a great job.”
Feb. 26: “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done."
Feb. 28: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
Feb. 29: “We’re the number-one travel destination anywhere in the world, yet we have far fewer cases of the disease than even countries with much less travel or a much smaller population.”
etc etc etc
Remember the lies this traitor has told.
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alxkrvtzv
4 days ago
I am still scratching my head. How does 15 people who have it and 15 within a couple days, equal to zero? Anyone?
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Enkaybee
4 days ago
13? If it's this bad now I can only imagine how bad this will be when there's several hundred per day.
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raven_ra9
4 days ago
My country, has had more deaths in one month than China in this whole virus period. Prepare yourselves for a looong quarantine.
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ToastFaceKiller
4 days ago
Don’t believe the numbers out of China. There’s evidence of mass graves being dug. I’d say it’s much much worse than what they say
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vsnyder1130
4 days ago
Might be because they were told to try and get better at home before resorting to the hospital. It's a shitty situation
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Juergenator
4 days ago
As a Canadian I just want to ask do you guys still have the CDC? Used to be the go to for information but haven't heard of them in awhile.
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_randapanda_
:flag-us: America 3 days ago
It’s funny, NPR just put out an article exactly about [the lack of CDC presence](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/25/821009072/as-the-coronavirus-crisis-heats-up-why-arent-we-hearing-from-the-cdc)
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mootmagee
4 days ago
The virus is gonna become seasonal. What are supposed to do if it never goes away? Live in fear, and locked in our homes forever?
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noiness420
3 days ago
Well I’d assume eventually we’ll find an antivirus or a vaccine, then we shouldn’t have to live in fear locked in our homes. We don’t have that yet...so here we are
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Hundred50million
4 days ago
It’s sad knowing that inevitably, one day soon, 13 deaths in a day will be a reduction and reason to celebrate.
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EveningFloor
4 days ago
NY has lost control, last I heard they account for over 50% of the Chinese virus cases. Lock them down to stop the spread to other states.
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IdesOfMarchCometh
4 days ago
USA doesn't have that kind of leadership but yes that would be the best thing. Instead people are going to flee NY and spread it everywhere. 15 days left until no more ventilators country-wide. Patients are going to start leaving NY soon and being treated elsewhere as I imagine NY simply won't have enough of them much sooner. People will either die or leave NY, what would you choose.
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SpringCleanMyLife
4 days ago
To lose control you must have had it to begin with. Nowhere in the US have we had control yet.
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SpringCleanMyLife
4 days ago
Most people call it by its actual name. What will we call the next virus to come out of China? Chinese virus II? Do you also refer to SARS as Chinese virus? It's just such a feeble, transparent attempt at being edgy.
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