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NEW YORK (AP) — More than 4,300 recovering coronavirus patients were sent to New York’s already vulnerable nursing homes under a controversial state directive that was ultimately scrapped amid...
Daniel Ƀ - @csuwildcat
8 months ago
Someone help me here, because I'm trying to figure out by what logic such an obviously terrible decision was made. I literally can't think of a single thing that could override the insanity of sending COVID-infected people into a places composed entirely of high-risk folks 🤦♂️ https://t.co/eNYkgT2GDB
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John Lilic - @JohnLilic
8 months ago
RT @JackPosobiec: Coverup https://t.co/3Jo4c2Ga7x
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Infinitedismissal
8 months ago
So the media praises a governor as a brilliant responder for this pandemic when he enabled this as his policy? Imagine if there wasn't a "D-" next to his name.
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MeatsimN64
Covfefe-19 8 months ago
>So the media praises a governor as a brilliant responder. Imagine if there wasn't a "D-" next to his name.
You're literally posting a link to the Associated Press, one of the most important news outlets in this country and its not praising him at all.
What the fuck is "the media" if not AP?
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Blawoffice
8 months ago
> “I just want to reiterate once again that the policy that the Department of Health put out was in line directly with the March 13 directive put out by (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services) that read, and I quote, 'Nursing homes should admit any individuals from hospitals where Covid is present,'" said Secretary to the Governor Melissa DeRosa on Saturday during a briefing. "Not could, should ... that is President (Donald) Trump's CMS and CDC.
> “There are over a dozen states that did the exact same thing, many of whom were concerned about hospital capacity. ... Obviously any death is an unfortunate death," DeRosa said, listing the totals from other states amongst New York's. "It's been a national and international tragedy that everybody has had to grapple with and it is something that we're trying to learn from every day and move forward."
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jme365
8 months ago
[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuomo-blames-trump-nursing-home-debacle-new-york-coronavirus](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuomo-blames-trump-nursing-home-debacle-new-york-coronavirus)
"[CDC guidelines](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/nursing-homes-responding.html) require any newly admitted and readmitted resident with a COVID-19 case to be placed in a designated COVID-19 care unit, while those who have met the criteria to have recovered can return to a regular unit in the nursing home. The March 13 guidance that Cuomo's office cited says "a nursing home can accept a resident diagnosed with COVID-19.***.. as long as the facility can follow CDC guidance."*** New York – along with California and New Jersey – went further and turned the guidance into state directives and said at the time that nursing homes cannot refuse to take patients from hospitals solely because they have the coronavirus."
Effectively, New York's homicidal policy ignored the bolded and italicized text I include above.
And NOW, they falsely complain that they followed Federal instructions.
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bluefootedpig
Consumer Rights 8 months ago
I keep seeing people say what you posted but I can't find a case that a car facility accepted covid that didn't have those facilities.
If all 4500 were put in proper case facilities, then your point is moot.
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jme365
8 months ago
You are merely speculating. Your statement implies you know much more than you probably do.
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Squalleke123
8 months ago
That seems akin to the reason some products need 'idiotproof' instructions (you know, like toilets with pictograms depicting not to stand on the seat and the such).
Apparently Cuomo is one of the persons those pictograms are intended for...
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beggsy909
8 months ago
What doesn’t fly? I’m not a MAGA dunce. I’m a liberal.
You honestly think Cuomo doesn’t deserve any blame for nursing homes being forced to take covid patients in NY?
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beggsy909
8 months ago
It is Trumps fault. We would have far less deaths if his administration acted sooner.
But Cuomo has done an awful job and the directive to nursing homes is just inexcusable
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chimesickle
8 months ago
They were flying patients upstate by helicopter, when it wasn't necessary. I believe that transporting them spread the virus to the most vulnerable. We should mutiny against the governor. But insurance companies were probably behind it,
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bflobob88
8 months ago
I really think Cuomo has shown real leadership through all this, magnitudes better than the orange nightmare but this is really hard to explain.
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cantstandthemlms
8 months ago
Oh my. That’s scary. His leadership was whining on TV. His leadership put covid positive patients in ill equipped nursing homes. His leadership called for a lockdown way too late. His leadership didn’t recommend masks until way after other less afflicted cities. His leadership didn’t focus on sanitizing the subways until way late in the game. I have no clue how his leadership is see as good at all.
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WasabiEyemask
8 months ago
Whining on TV? You forget trump whines every day that everyone hates him?
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cantstandthemlms
8 months ago
He does try to duck when responsibility flies at him...:but cuomo has horrid policies. Just horrid.
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WasabiEyemask
8 months ago
Horrid policies? Like ignoring the pandemic for months and not having medical supplies and tests prepared in January? Trump killed thousands by ignoring the problem
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cantstandthemlms
8 months ago
Yes. Trump sucked at that part. He and the MSM and the WHO and a Fauci all thought it wasn’t going to be an issue here. They all were severely incorrect. And once it was here.. Cuomo helped kill the old people. The one piece of data we were clear on is it hits old and sick hard.
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WasabiEyemask
8 months ago
No, that’s rewriting history. Trump was told in January that it would be catastrophic. Do you not remember the memo debacle? Pay attention. The US notified Israel about the virus in November. Sending the old and sick to nursing homes is federal policy and the Florida Governor did the same thing. Stop being a partisan hack man
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TheEpicPancake1
8 months ago
So when is Cuomo going to be charged with crimes against humanity? Waiting...
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johnnydangr
8 months ago
You can blame Cuomo and de Blasio for many things including shutting down NYC too late (it turned into a herd immunity experiment) and fixing the nursing home policy too late.
But, this policy of sending sick elderly back to nursing homes was from the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services - the federal regulator of nursing homes. It was followed all over the country, including Florida. It just wasn’t as obvious elsewhere because cases were concentrated in NYC.
Also remember a lot of states pressured nursing staff to go back to work while still positive. Hopefully that has changed.
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NickDanger3di
8 months ago
Well, that's what nursing homes are often commonly used for. But for a highly contagious virus, a little common sense should have told the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services that using facilities dedicated to covid patients should have been done.
That's what happens when there is no central authority with the clout to manage a crisis. The whole point of having a team of experts, creating a coherent response to managing a crisis (like a pandemic), is that "the way we always do it" isn't going to be effective. If it is, then it isn't a crisis to begin with.
From where I sit, our country simply isn't capable of handling any kind of crisis that isn't the standard FEMA handbook. That's been obvious from the beginning, and continues to be obvious every day, with leaders at all levels of our governments - State and Federal, conservative and liberal - pointing fingers and squabbling instead of acting effectively and in concert.
If we, as a country, learn anything from covid, it must be that we need to be far better prepared for the next crisis. Because the next one may be a lot more costly.
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TheChinchilla914
8 months ago
So can we at least praise Gov DeSantis in FL for recognizing how fucking stupid that idea was and refusing to send COVID patients to homes?
No instead we should focus on attacking him over a bogus "data coverup" story that continues to fall apart.
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Dolphinsunset1007
8 months ago
Exactly this. It’s common practice to discharge recovering patients to nursing homes/rehab facilities in normal times because insurance won’t pay for people to spend weeks recovering in the hospital if they do not need acute care. I’m not saying the decision was correct, I think New York should have used emergency pop-up facilities/college dorms/hotels for recovering patients instead of sending them to infect all of the nursing homes. I said at the time of the mandate as well that I thought this was a horrible decision.
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HighGround24
8 months ago
I agree with this. Looking on the outside of political choices , it's easy to analyze a situation through emotion. The policies being followed were problematic. My aunt in New Jersey had to go to a nursing home while she was positive, so this isn't just NY.
But to also include that nursing homes were only allowed to accept Covid Patients if they had the proper way of caring for them. but if you know the medical field, every patient is a very large amount of money. I think this is where the problem was. Having this policy would have worked if it had actual goverent enforcement and I think that that was Cuomo's main error. He left it entirely up to nursing homes to take the precaustions of Hospitals and believed that they would be able to handle this issue. Sure some nursing homes took proper precautions but they weren't as capable as hospitals.
I personally wouldn't say that Cuomo is the direct and sole reason for these deaths but he played a part. And to note, I've watched almost every Cuomo briefing since the start of this. I live in NY, reporters were asking this question for weeks.
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Dolphinsunset1007
8 months ago
I think covid is exposing the cracks in the foundation of nursing homes that many have known existed. They’ve always been known for poor care and management. The nature of nursing homes means they are often susceptible to large outbreaks (ex flu). Nursing home and rehab patients are constantly being bounced back and forth to hospitals. They are awful and they’ve been awful. Assuming they could have handled it was silly for anyone whose ever been to a nursing home. I do understand it’s also common practice to discharge recovering patients here. I don’t think it’s Cuomo fault for the condition of our nation’s nursing homes and I don’t think now is the time where issues at these centers are going to improve.
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FormulaChinese
能，明白 8 months ago
想起了意大利按照expected lifetime排治病顺序的事情。
虽然文章提到的是把轻症患者运出去，给重症患者腾地方，但是还是让人揪心。
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SonictheManhog
8 months ago
OK so Gov. Andrew Cuomo was the main proponent of a policy where mildly ill covid patients were moved from hospitals to old age homes, so that the hospitals could free up some capacity for more serious cases.
“It was the single dumbest decision anyone could make if they wanted to kill people,” Daniel Arbeeny said of the directive, which prompted him to pull his 88-year-old father out of a Brooklyn nursing home where more than 50 people have died. His father later died of COVID-19 at home.
“This isn’t rocket science,” Arbeeny said. “We knew the most vulnerable -- the elderly and compromised -- are in nursing homes and rehab centers.”
This happened in Italy too, which is why the death rates are so high there.
This is the first I've heard of it in New York. I'm shocked that there hasn't been more press on it in the past. And really... this means that Cuomo has a lot of blood on his hands. There's no other way to say it. It's a dumb policy and was only stopped on May 10th. I mean everyone knew who the vulnerable populations were. Why this policy continued for months is just mind boggling. What a disaster.
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KTAWAY1991
8 months ago
When CNN gets his own brother to interview him what do you expect? This is the same media that treated Cuomo as a king for his bungling of the pandemic, while spending weeks criticizing Flordia and it's government, despite being one of the most successful responses in all of America. Its baffling.
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legionnaire32
8 months ago
> I'm shocked that there hasn't been more press on it in the past.
You are? Even knowing that Cuomo has a (D) next to his name?
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NLC40
8 months ago
Wait what? Is this the first time you've heard about this? I've known about this for weeks, and when people were skeptical. I showed the the document on the NY health website showing this.
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BJJIslove
8 months ago
It happened in every state. We couldn’t get the hospital to test residents they wanted to send us. We had a 30 person outbreak that we traced back to one person sent from the hospital who they refused to test.
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cantstandthemlms
8 months ago
That’s the first you have heard about it. I have posted about it almost everyday in the subreddit. It’s a huge huge issue!! They did this is Los angles too! This caused the numbers to skyrocket....and somehow Cuomo is a hero!!???!!?? No! Seriously deadly policy decision!
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StrangeFood
8 months ago
And cuomo announced that it “WAS TRUMPS FAULT” for the deaths of elderly people in nursing homes in New York!!! Nobody is talking about this .
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kronner777
8 months ago
Inslee of Washington does the same shit. They are both licking balls for their 2024 presidential bid. Absolutely pathetic pandering to the media and to those who are dumb enough to believe they actually give a shit.
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grapecolajuice
8 months ago
I don't understand how anywhere with NY's death toll could be seen as anything but a failure. Cuomo and De Blasio both seemed incompetent in handling the coronavirus crisis. Cuomo seemed good at the sound bite and politics. He seemed like he was trying to Guilani his way to a future run at the presidency despite his denials.
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pinknacobe13
8 months ago
You won't hear about it either because it doesn't fit the media's angle which is that we should stay on lock down and that only Democratic governor's have handled this correctly.
It also reveals that the deaths are mostly occurring in people over the age of 70.
It's too bad the corporate owned, main stream media, is just as unreliable and untrustworthy as the government.
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Dolphinsunset1007
8 months ago
Idk what you mean by “you won’t hear about it either.” I’ve been following this story literally since Cuomo set the mandate to send recovering covid patients to nursing homes. I didn’t go seeking out this information either, it’s been available through multiple news sources. Sure, other sensationalized stories get more attention, but it’s been widely reported on.
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uphillinthesnow
8 months ago
What do you mean “you won’t hear about it”? The right has been been publicizing this for weeks and this article is proof
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TheChinchilla914
8 months ago
No significant mainstream media time (other than Fox News) has been devoted to this story while the bogus "Florida Coverup" story has saturated coverage.
It's obvious there's an agenda.
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uphillinthesnow
8 months ago
a simple google search shows that WSJ, NBC, CBS etc are all reporting this as well. I like Cuomo and would prefer this wasn't true but it seems like it has merit.
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TheChinchilla914
8 months ago
We have a story showing that decisions by the NY administration caused the tens of thousands of deaths while the FL admin protected it's nursing homes probably saving tens of thousands of lives.
If the parties were reversed you know DAMN WELL that we wouldn't hear the end of it. [I went and compiled screenshots of some MSM homepages to prove my point.](https://imgur.com/a/AGtNcpZ) This story is on NONE of them while most still blather on about the orange buffon's "miracle drug"
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ConspiracyofFools
8 months ago
I agree - this is stunning from Cuomo and his administration, and deserves A LOT more scrutiny from the press.
I don't know what is scarier - they were aware of the risks but didn't care, or that they were so ignorant of the risks and therefore thought this was ok.
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MysteriousControl3
8 months ago
> and deserves A LOT more scrutiny from the press.
Good luck with that
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auhsoj565joshua
8 months ago
They’re intentionally clearing out people that hamper society’s funds, elderly, sick, disabled, criminals.
Jokes on us every one still thinks it’s red vs blue, it’s 99 % vs 1 % and we still let them control us 😂😂😂
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SonictheManhog
8 months ago
Ignorance might have been an excuse during the first week, but not when it goes to May 10th. Somebody had to have known and I'm just shocked there has not been any news being released about this earlier. I wouldn't be surprised if this ultimately resulted in over a thousand deaths. Hits the most vulnerable demographic right at the weakest of weak spots.
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BPFortyEight
8 months ago
I don't think being ignorant of the risks is even an excuse. The entirety of the government knew assisted living facilities were the highest risk. The first deaths in the US came from one in Washington. There is absolutely no reason they can claim "we didn't know it would make things worse."
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BigPapaWokelord
8 months ago
I think that's exactly right - because the one thing we knew for ABSOLUTELY sure about the virus early on is that old people were extremely at risk. If we knew nothing else, we absolutely knew that was going to be a problem.
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jdorje
8 months ago
The Washington home had something like 30% mortality. We definitely knew this in early-to-mid March.
But it's not definitive that this dumb decision would actually have caused many deaths. If we're finding people in a nursing home that are positive, taking them to the hospital, then sending them back to the home, we have bigger problems than just that last step. Everyone in the homes needed to be isolated immediately - particularly from their caretakers - after that first positive test. Isolating them just from the fellow residents who happened to have symptoms isn't really going to slow things.
Without any PPE it's not really a solvable problem.
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