Crap source and extremely questionable headline. Annual US suicide deaths are about half what we have seen in Covid-19 deaths in less than half a year. If more people were committing suicide than than dying from Covid-19, it would be national news in every newspaper and on every channel. The fact that you had to go to a right wing rag for this "exclusive" should have been a big tip off
"we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks."
\- Dr. Michael deBoisblanc of John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek, California
This is literally a fact from a front line worker. Please don't tell me you don't support front line workers.
Original source: [https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-during-pandemic-death-by/6201962/](https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-during-pandemic-death-by/6201962/)
Yeah, and he is a doc talking out his ass. Anecdotal experience, even if it was honest, doesn't mean much.
Nationwide, if more people had died from suicide because of the lockdown than because of Corona, that would mean that we would have had 100,000 plus suicide deaths so far this year. We usually have less than 50,000 in an entire year. That obviously isn't happening.
Again, crap source and extremely misleading headline.
I would say that it’s not quite 6 of this and a half dozen of the other. The odds that your community had literally zero connection to an outbreak hotspot then were pretty high and they’re quite low now. Ebola had never gotten out of central Africa before the mid 19th century. This would have never gotten out of China 150 years ago. The 1918 flu spread probably mostly because we were in a world war with soldiers shipping to and fro.
In any case. Your point about your province in Canada is well taken. You’re not wrong. It’s a difficult balance of principles and “which ones worse” math.
Most of my family is either in New York and LA, or scattered to the wind in the military, and I have a job I can work remotely, so that’s certainly going to influence my perception. I drove around LA this weekend and saw an uncomfortable number of people acting like things were normal - we might just be fucked here.
I gotta give you points for rational discourse in any case. You aren’t a troll or an idiot, and I wish you the best.
There is likely to be [50k suicides](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States) this year before this pandemic. After this, I wouldn't be surprised to see 75k or 100k total.
But the lockdowns themselves aren't likely to be the cause. The joblessness and poverty would be the cause.
New data from Sweden shows that [an economic collapse would still happen](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-sweden-economy-to-contract-as-severely-as-the-rest-of-europe.html) without stay at home orders.
The only option to 'have our cake and eat it too' would be to have followed [Taiwan's model](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-30/taiwan-dodges-worst-economic-impacts-of-virus-and-keeps-growing) and actually employed [effective contact tracing and widespread testing](https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/04/asia/taiwan-coronavirus-response-who-intl-hnk/index.html).
There is likely to be 50k suicides this year before this pandemic. After this, I wouldn't be surprised to see 75k or 100k total.
Work your numbers as 4.5k people commited suicide in Calofornia in 2019. So you wouldn't be surprised if suicide deaths went from 4.5k to 9.0k. California has 3.7k deaths from covid19.
My point is it's possible many doctors not in LA and SF may have seen more suicide deaths than covid 19 deaths. Sweden oh Swedwn has about the same population as Norrh Carolina and while North Carolina has 768 divided 19 deaths sweden has almost 4000. Go.figure they have the best healthcare system according to the experts. Again it is possible
It is possible many doctors would see more suicide deaths than covid19.
I would assume rural places without a dense population will see a significant increase of suicide, and zero COVID-19. The perception of the situation will be very different depending on where COVID-19 strikes. I'd bet this will dangerously divisive. Probably already is.
Prevented killing less people than will end up being killed via collateral damage.
The real fallout from mass unemployment and mental health issues due to months of house arrest hasn't even started yet.
Suicide is already up significantly in the last decade, this is just another nail in the coffin. It sped up some people's decisions to commit suicide...but I doubt it (SIP and bleak world currently) was a reason or cause. There were plenty of other nails in the coffin already.
When and how are we going to hold those responsible for the massive controlled economic demolition this fake plandemic is going to happen? Honestly surprised someone mentally unstable and out of work or something hasn't gone on a rampage or anything yet.
The lack of riots, looting, etc has really surprised me. Especially in poorer countries or places with only minor outbreaks. June should be very telling. If people are going this long without money, major problems will start piling up. Sadly it just seems like part of the plan to justify stricter measures down the line.
It’s weird that in the Washington Examiner article you posted they say:
“‘The numbers are unprecedented,’ Dr. Michael deBoisblanc of John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek, California, told ABC 7 News about the increase of deaths by suicide, adding that he’s seen a ‘year’s worth of suicides’ in the last four weeks alone.”
But when you click the link to take you to the ABC 7 article, their quote reads:
“‘We’ve never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time,’ he said. ‘I mean we’ve seen a year’s worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks.’”
Now I’m not saying it’s not bad that attempts are going up, it absolutely sucks. But I’m also less likely to believe the article that you posted seeing as how they changed a quote to say something else entirely.
The idiots who keep shouting for longer lock downs and accused people of trying to "kill grandma" for suggesting we reopen small businesses, never wanted to acknowledge or believe there were going to be huge consequences from long SIP orders.
Mental health/Suicides, poverty/bankruptcy/debt, domestic violence, drug abuse, lack of medical treatment or routine doctor check ups are just some of the things that were exacerbated by the lock downs, and they will continue to get worse the longer they go on.
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I'm sure they say a lot of things that aren't factual.
Your incompetent president should be supporting people's livelihoods and mental health during the lockdown, don't you see that other countries have been able to lock down without the effects you're all bitching about.
Standardizing is an important way of accounting for misrepresentative frequencies in data when you have different sample sizes.
I’m not crying. You keep saying I’m crying. Fake News! I made a comment about being downvoted, and I’ve been downvoted more than upvoted on this thread. But who gives a fuck. You’re crying a whole hell of a lot more about you saying that I’m crying that this is a meta-debate around a non-existent issue of your own creation.
I guess if you’d rather argue about this stuff than the BS nature of Ops post, go ahead.
“More deaths from suicide than coronavirus” would be expected in any part of the country with low rates of infection, because suicide kills nearly 45,000 Americans annually. The question is, how much has suicide changed and also how many lives are being invisibly saved by the lockdown. Normally suicide kills slightly more than 1:10,000 Americans each year. But the coronavirus in. Nee York City has already killed 0.2% of the total population (not of the infected, but of the whole population; of all the New Yorkers who were alive last December, 1 in 500 have since died of coronavirus).
So in just a couple of months of poorly controlled spread in a city, this coronavirus had 20x the impact on the population that suicide normally has in a whole year, and that’s after having time to infect only around 20% of the population, let alone the 80% who are projected to need to get infected before any form of herd immunity kicks in (assuming herd immunity is even possible with this virus, which we just don’t know for certain yet).
It is highly, highly unlikely that lockdowns are causing a net increase in deaths compared to no control measures.
I’m not sure humanity is pulling out of this one. We are too divided and too stupid to help ourselves. I’m fairly certain not even a literal God could save our species. We’d argue over the gender of it or something equally as fucking stupid.
I always like to imagine if Jesus did come back and came to America, how long would it take Christians to kill him as being a false prophet? If someone did come back and videos began surfacing of him healing people and giving people the gift of sight or the ability to walk, how many people would say “ahh that’s just bullshit special effects” 😂
Let's cut through all of the numbers and what ifs for a sec:
"I think people have found themselves disconnected from the normal supportive networks that they have, churches and schools and book clubs, you name it," Tamura said. "And that, coupled with the closure of some counseling services, people were maybe in a little bit of shock.They were trying to weather the storm a bit but as that isolation has grown people have come to realize this isn't a sprint it is marathon."
He says it's important for all of us to be reaching out to people and making connections.
Hansen says in-person meetings are even OK if it will help mental health.
"Six feet away, wear a mask, wash your hands going in, don't touch, you can see people socially distancing safely," she said.
Hansen says a focus on mental health is very important right
"They intend to die," Hansen said. "Sometimes, people will make what we call a 'gesture'. It's a cry for help. We're just seeing something a little different than that right now. It's upsetting."
This is what's important: it's on all of us to reach out to our friends and loved ones, especially those who might be at a higher risk, and see if there's any way we can give them support. Personally I need to get better at that. As an introverted personality, it's really easy for me right now to just not talk to anyone except my immediate family. I should spend a bit more time giving people I know a call just to talk and see how they're doing. Might do me some good as well as them.
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I hope we can start talking about things like this. I find myself being attacked as a non-carer of human life for asking questions about relativity and how different scenarios might change or policy decisions