Californians should not be forced to present their smartphones to enter public places. But that’s exactly what A.B. 2004 would do, by directing the state to set up a blockchain-based system for “immunity passports”: a verified health credential that shows the results of someone’s last COVID-19 test...
Seems like a very good idea. Their primary arguments are "it isn't technically well defined" (bills don't often specify hundreds of functional and non functional tech requirements, "doctors aren't sure if it's okay to go out if you're not sick" (the best argument but that's far more general a problem) and "poor people don't have smartphones" (I'm not sure about the stats on this, but children in sub saharan Africa have smartphones).
My primary argument is "this is dystopian bullshit which will lead to more and more reasons why certain people cannot access certain spaces, not to mention a drive towards microchips that don't run out of battery"
Good god, on top of everything else (and there’s a lot of “everything else”) we can’t even be sure that the presence of currently known antibodies guarantees that a person is no longer contagious. No matter how convenient (which it isn’t), or legal (which it isn’t), or well-executed & strictly enforced this is (which it won’t be) the data is simply not reliable enough to make this assertion at this time.
Keeping up epidemic measures. Wear a mask and don't gather people indoors for long periods of time.
The weakest link of this is the testing part. With a school that is taking attendance, they would have to test everyone weekly to have some measure of confidence that there aren't asymptomatic spreaders present.
This bill is just a privacy nightmare that does nothing useful other than as a thought exercise on how to not do it in a stupid way.
When is enough people being vaccinated to remove masks and open indoor dining? Why can't someone who was vaccinated count the vaccine as equivalent to a mask and be reducing their risk of spreading the disease that way?
We don’t know how many people is enough for herd immunity. That biological question is super hard to answer.
Yes you still need to wear a mask after getting the vaccine because the vaccine won’t be 100% effective, just effective enough. The FDA has a minimum effectiveness requirement of the vaccine at 50%, so even after getting it, it’s basically a coin flip if you are actually immune from getting/spreading covid
Oh I thought that's what immunity passports were, you'd show it to prove you were immunized and don't need a mask and such. Clearly I misunderstood and it's just about people who tested clean recently? That idea sounds dumb af.
Yeah but it wouldn't have worked like you thought anyway. We don't have any proof that people who were sick can't get the virus anymore, in fact we have proof of one guy who 100% had it and 100% has been infected again, 4 months later. An immunity passport would give 0 guarantees, because herd immunity seems impossible with this virus. Our only hope is a vaccine, and then probably a new vaccine every year for years or decades until it's totally eradicated (it will take more time if people don't get vaccinated).
A) we'll need a new vaccine every year for different strands of the virus (this could have been avoided if the spread had been contained in the first place, but due to the huge spread now the virus has mutated and it'll probably become endemic for a few years)
B) vaccines not always just contained an inactivated version of the virus..sometimes they are made to trigger longer term responses that are slightly different from the immunity obtained from simply catching the flu yourself. I'd like to be corrected on this one, I'm no medic, but this is what I understood from reading around on the issue..it's complicated stuff and I guess we just need to trust experts on this one.
Still, getting vaccinated every 6 months would still be better than living in panic and in a few years it would make the disease completely disappear.
Contact tracing is only useful at the very start. We are way past that point.
You aren’t going to contact trace or shelter in place away a virus that is already widely out there.
Even though futile, it does let government claim to be doing something. Nevermind that in just doing something - anything - there are all kinds of other very horrible and nasty implications too. Don’t pay attention to those. Just comply.
Never thought I would see what’s been going on the last six months in America, of all places.