RT @josephfcox: New York governor Cuomo said would produce 100,000 gallons of hand sanitizer every week
But prison inmates actually "making" the sanitizer said doing nothing more than taking existing hand sanitizer and rebottling it into packaging labeled NYS Clean https://t.co/fR08BmJWFJ
Andrew "Not cool enough for an ETH scam" Glidden - @asglidden8 months ago
The inmates say they are packaging the sanitizer instead of making it. That sounds like inmate work. Making hand sanitizer takes a heavy industrial chemical plant. Taking bulk product and putting it in a small container would normally be a packing plant job, but isn’t hard for free labor to do with minimal capital investment into infrastructure.
Psst - most "producers" of things like this just buy it in bulk from elsewhere and bottle it. You think your supermarket has a Fruit Loops factory somewhere that makes their store-brand knockoff? No, they buy it from a central producer, repackage it with their brand, and sell it for less than the national brand.
A 2017 Gothamist report compared to New York prison work to “slave labor” on the grounds of the low wages Corcraft pays, coupled with the fact that inmates can legally be compelled to work and punished if they refuse.
So lying about making the sanitizer and using slave labor to do the bottling. Sounds like a Democrat.
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Usually the CoreCraft sanitizer I’ve seen is thin and comes in a foaming pump bottle. They hand them out in some state conference swag bags. But those bottles are tiny. I’ve never seen it distributed in bulk.
Using prison labour to contribute to society is acceptable, and really more useful than just keeping people in cells. However, using prison labour to make money for corporations who run prisons is not.
But according to workers at Great Meadow Correctional Facility in Comstock, New York where the hand sanitizer is being “made,” as well as a spokesperson for the prison system, they are doing nothing more than taking existing hand sanitizer and rebottling it into packaging labeled NYS Clean.
But according to a NYSDOCCS spokesperson, the hand sanitizer itself is being produced by an outside vendor he would not name; the Great Meadow Facility is only bottling and labeling it. Neither NYSDOCCS nor the governor's office would respond to repeated questions about why the state would need to use prison labor to bottle hand sanitizer, nor did the governor's office respond to questions about Cuomo's pitch that this was a cheaper, more effective option than buying bottled hand sanitizer outright.
Insanity. Using prison labor just for a political vanity project.
>they are doing nothing more than taking existing hand sanitizer and rebottling it
>The work, according to Michael, is relatively simple. He stands along an assembly line, turns a nozzle, and uses a hose to squirt sanitizer into gallon-sized bottles. He said other employees also stand or sit along the line, filling bottles of various sizes, but that the focus largely remains on filling the gallon-sized containers.
Yeah, that's not "rebottling".
>Using prison labor just for a political vanity project.
New York is currently the epicenter of the outbreak. (#1. NY 30,811, #2. NJ 3,675)
How is this a "vanity project"?
They are repackaging hand sanitizer into smaller packaging and labeling it with Cuomo's NY brand. Delivering hand sanitizer in original (larger) packages and delivering it directly to hospitals would save time & money.
As someone who worked putting bulk items into smaller packages.. I can tell you that’s real work.
And the hand sanitizer isn’t for hospitals, it’s for homes and businesses who need gallon size or less bottles. They don’t need 55gal drums or more likely the 275gal transport tank.
I would imagine it doesn't arrive in 40 gallon drums. I didn't see that in the article. It says its brought in "by truck" which is strange.
Surely you have seen an industrial assembly line before. It packages it as it goes pretty much. It doesn't really sit around for too long in giant drums waiting to be carted away for slave labor to bottle it.
For example: [A beer bottling plant](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekPrFT5nPvg)
The alcohol gel is being produced as a distillery byproduct. The distilleries usually dispose of it. They aren't set up to mass bottle it, so they're doing it by hand. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/local-businesses-make-hand-sanitizer-1.5505118
Okay but it doesn't clear up that this particular hand sanitzer has anything to do with repurposed alcohol gel since the article states they are getting actual ready-to-bottle hand sanitizer from "an unnamed outsourced vender" and all the inmates are doing is bottling it.
It also doesn't state WHY it would be the case that the best way to do this is to have inmates do it.
So why would hand sanitizer not be made at or near a location that bottles hand sanitizer?
And the point is that it shouldn't be arriving at all. Surely there is some sort of industrial facility as shown in the video that is actually equipped to churn the shit out at several times the volume. And with the actual label on it. Trucking in huge amounts of hand sanitizer so slave labor can fill up bottles seems pretty dumb and inefficient at best
I don't see what's so hard to understand here.
It's not unusual at all for a factory to own machines capable of producing more product than they actually need/have demand for.
Obviously, the company can make more in bulk right now, than they have employees who can bottle it.
In a medical crisis, when people are afraid to go out of their houses to go to work, why not switch prisoners from whatever widget project they were working on - to making that needed medical supply?
>Obviously, the company can make more in bulk right now, than they have employees who can bottle it.
That’s not obvious at all. Nor is it obvious that even if this was the case the next best thing is “slave labor with a Cuomo label” rather than “some other bottling plant”.
It’s not like the regular plant is running at exactly and perfectly 100% capacity up until a health crisis, when it’s overwhelmed and now it’s time for some slave labor and a misleading media narrative
Yeah even if the Prison Spokesman misspoke the semantic argument doesn't change that the Prison Labour is just taking an existing product and putting it in New York branded bottles to make the Governor look better on TV.
>But according to a NYSDOCCS spokesperson, the hand sanitizer itself is being produced by an outside vendor he would not name; the Great Meadow Facility is only bottling and labeling it.
They are not making it.
Do you really want to fill a prison with the ingredients to make alcohol, you know the flammable and explosive ingredient? Alcohol clean rooms explode sometimes and they have trained staff that aren't menial penal laborers
“We are problem solvers, state of New York, Empire State, progressive capital of the nation,” Cuomo said during a press conference, before opening a navy curtain and literally unveiling jugs of the “NYS Clean”-branded sanitizer, “made conveniently *by* the state of New York.”
Does it really matter? Store brand chicken is Tyson chicken 90% of the time, the state isn't a corporation or a factory so they are buying it from a third party and packaging it in the prisons, there isn't anything about it that makes it a dubious claim
WTF does it matter?
They aren't a production factory. They *are* capable of doing piece-work projects.
Obviously, the factory can make more in bulk than they can actually bottle. The prisoners are bottling it.
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It doesn't fit what he promised, which is that they're making it cheaper than they could buy it.
>Cuomo bragged that the NYS hand sanitizer was “superior” due to its high alcohol content (75% to Purell’s 70%) and joked that it was even floral scented, like tulips and hydrangeas. He also touted its price as a major upside. “This is also much less expensive than anything the government could buy—a gallon bottle is $6.10, the 7-ounce bottle is $1.12 our cost, and then there’s a very small size… which is 84 cents. **So it’s much cheaper for us to make it ourselves than to buy it on the open market**.”
I mean. Were people really thinking the state made a grain alcohol distillery in a state prison? In only a few days?
It makes sense the ethanol is being produced by someone else. The price gouging of hand sanitizer is due to private hoarding and a massive increase in healthcare demand for the final product. But considering only a small fraction of the ethanol produced is used for hand sanitizer, I doubt the price of ethanol has raised significantly. Same goes for the stabilizers and gelling materials.