Francis Boyle just reported the other day on infowars that the virus was made in North Carolina and purchased by the chinese. They also bought some other genetic engineering work from Australia according to him.
If you're unsure why people don't trust the DM have a look at some of the lawsuits against them for false claims. There are lots of other examples of why they are not generally considered a reliable source.
That being said, the story referenced in the original post may well be accurate.
I have no idea why Daily Mail has a bad reputation
they consistently write the most informative articles with the best photography, albeit with a few spelling mistakes here and there, they tend to have stories that nobody else carries and they have a comments section which is more ballsy than other media outlets who are too afraid of being corrected or challenged by their readers
but it seems people dislike them mostly because they write stories criticizing and highlighting certain social trends which people don't like to hear, so they shoot the messenger instead
I don't recall many outlets even covering the chinese mission to the dark side of the moon a few months ago, they pretended it never happened along with many other things
People don't like the mail because it's right wing. Yes it's true the mail is a tabloid, but the same redditors who complain about that are the same ones who don't mind the indy being spammed all over the place.
The difference between the independent and the mail is that the former is a left-leaning tabloid and the latter a right-leaning one.
Same could be applied to the independent who is owned by a Russian oligarch, former kgb as well.
Their headlines tend to be way more inaccurate than those published by the daily mail and even the express to some extent
>supported the Nazis back in the 1930’s.
That was like 80-90 years ago.
>People don't like the mail because it's right wing.
DING DING DING
And people who dislike the DM don't even want to know whats going on
So because the bats are from yunnan the disease couldn't have found its way to Wuhan, that's crap. There were all sorts of animals in that market that were not from hubei. Also these bats from Yunnan are the ones suspected of causing sars, which started in Guangdong - also not Yunnan. So I'd say there is no merit in that conclusion.
Then they say it couldn't have come from the market because people in Wuhan said they don't eat bats. Well duh, nobody thinks it came from eating bats.
Nothing about the source of coronavirus is anything more than speculation or conjecture. This means that all information is equally weighted until disproven.
There is also nothing that disproves the content of the OP article.
"Did coronavirus originate in Chinese government laboratory?"
Betteridge's Law Of Headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no...A headline with a question mark at the end means, in the vast majority of cases, that the story is tendentious or over-sold. It is often a scare story, or an attempt to elevate some run-of-the-mill piece of reporting into a national controversy and, preferably, a national panic. To a busy journalist hunting for real information a question mark means 'don't bother reading this bit'."
Hardly tinfoil hat territory really...Ockhams razor...the epicentre of the outbreak is a few kilometres from the highest level virology lab in China...probability would say that the chances are this is a virus that unintentionally escaped from that lab. The probability of that happening is far higher than a global epidemic originating a few kilometres down the road from china’s level 4 virology lab out of pure coincidence. Its not saying it was genetically engineered or a bio weapon or anything like that. It’s being reported in mainstream Asian and Australian media already...
Okhams razor would tilt towards natural mutation if the natural mutation didn’t just happen to occur a few kilometres from a level 4 virology lab!
Also, yes the Daily Mail is a bit of a rag but Arirang (Korea’s BBC), The Sydney Morning Herald and The South China Morning Post are reporting similar stories.
Exactly. The principle is:
> "Entities should not be multiplied without necessity."
So although the lab is worth investigating, without convincing evidence to the contrary, natural occurrence is favoured under this principle.
So, try and help me a little bit. They already had 2 coronavirus outbreaks under the same conditions, yet your suspicion for the third one goes towards lab experiments. Hmmm... it's not about sources, it's about filtering noise through logic. And let's turn the lab logic upside down. Wouldn't it be best to build a lab near the place where the virus can be found? Should they just build it far away just for lack of suspicion's sake? There have been a number of people (even here, on reddit) explaining that a manmade virus has some artefacts in their genome and it would be obvious during analysis. No such reports from serious scientists studying the virus have cone forward. This is what i would consider convincing. But at this moment, i only see speculation based on the proximity of the lab and security breaches there. But considering there were 2 previous outbreaks in the past, occam's razor still leans towards natural causes.
I read everything. And despite my opinions on quality, truth comes through all media outlets at some point.
Side note: Go back and look at how many times tabloids got it right.
It’s also not uncommon for good reporting to come from unlikely sources only to be excoriated then later acknowledge as accurate.
There is still a lot that is unknown about the newly emerged 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) and how it spreads. Two other coronaviruses have emerged previously to cause severe illness in people (MERS and SARS). 2019-nCoV is more genetically related to SARS than MERS, but both are betacoronaviruses with their origins in bats. While we don’t know for sure that this virus will behave the same way as SARS and MERS, we can use the information from both of these earlier coronaviruses to guide us.
In general, because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from products or packaging that are shipped over a period of days or weeks at ambient temperatures. Coronaviruses are generally thought to be spread most often by respiratory droplets. Currently there is no evidence to support transmission of 2019-nCoV associated with imported goods and there have not been any cases of 2019-nCoV in the United States associated with imported goods.
https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/01/31/logistical-and-technical-analysis-of-the-origins-of-the-wuhan-coronavirus-2019-ncov/ this is a compendium of research papers discussing the origins of the virus, it’s as objective as possible while bringing to light a lot of interesting circumstances.
Agreed, nothing mentioned in it points to anything specific other than it’s between 89 and 96% similar to another virus studied there, which means nothing considering our DNA is 98% identical to a chimp. Additionally, it’s unlikely that a Chinese government run university would unearth and publish a government conspiracy.
Weird thing is that Xiao has a solid publication record. No idea why he uploaded that drivel. Then again, Researchgate has a history of fake accounts. It's not really a publication platform to be taken seriously.
This would be catastrophic if true.
It also would make sense only because the Chinese government reactions using censoring and silencing of some people. China would end up owning up to this in some fashion.
According to the current data at [Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by Johns Hopkins CSSE](https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6), there are 73,335 confirmed COVID-19 cases and 1,873 total deaths.
If there's a pandemic: [As the number of coronavirus cases jumps dramatically in China, a top infectious-disease scientist warns that things could get far worse: Two-thirds of the world’s population could catch it.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-13/coronavirus-could-infect-two-thirds-of-globe-researcher-says)
There are approximately 7.8 billion people on the Earth.
Now do the math.
Of the 7.8 billion people, the two-thirds estimate means 5.2 billion will contract COVID-19. The current mortality rate of those contracting it is 2.55%. This yields a total mortality of about 133 million people.
For comparison, the infamous 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic is estimated to have killed 50 to 100 million people worldwide. It's mortality rate was also about 2.5%.
This means there is a decent probability a COVID-19 pandemic could be a "killer disease" greater than the Spanish Flu pandemic.
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Duh. It's not some conspiracy theory that China violates every international law known to man for their own gain. Biological and chemical WMD research absolutely takes place in China, because who the fuck is going to stop them? It's practically cultural for the Chinese to break every rule to gain an advantage. There is a national attitude of 'fuck you got mine'.