Yeah they were saying it was a hoax couple of weeks ago. I heard "it's just a regular flu". Trust me, I live in an area where trump is basically a God. I don't mess with politics, that's probably why it's annoying me.
Thats part of the point. This is the kind of thing thay needs foresight. If you are are only reacting then you are already behind. If this team was in place they could have had measures in place when it started to leave china.
Our government is failing at responding to this at every level. But there are very specific actions taken at the federal level that are making it worse and the decision made back in 2018 is one of them.
We as a community can help slow the spread too. But no one is taking it as seriously as they have to, and it mirrors the slow response of the current administration.
I understand that's part of it, I really do. But we really can't do anything about what they do. So why post stuff like that?
That's the point, we are already behind and we are all reacting now. Majority of the people here where I live are not taking it seriously. But I know I can somehow help if I do the tips that I've been getting from this sub.
To someone like me i think it is important to understand this to have a better grasp of how little we can trust or national response right now.
The majority of people might not be taking it seriously because we dont have the team from 2018 that could have let us all know how serious it is. Also because the current administration hasnt been taking it seriously. Even the current response doesnt account for the gravity of the situation already here.
What you don't understand that this happened 2 years ago?
What you don't understand that this virus doesn't care if you're a republican or democrat?
What you don't understand that this sub is about the virus and not politics? If you want to post shit like this, go to r/politics.
People like you who pushes their political views during this time are insane. Instead of blaming certain people/group, how about use that time of yours to help people out by POSTING AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE PROBLEM.
That is not how any of this works.
- what dont you understand about how our response has been poor?
- The question is why is it so poor?
Well, firing the team whose job it was to plan for this is highly relevant to that analysis. It isnt politics, its about understanding our gov response and why it has sucked.
Don't have time to read it ATM. Idk man, I didn't mean to be a dick. Even if they're planning poorly, we as a community can do something about it.
I can't control whatever the fuck the government is doing so I just do whatever I can do. You know? Stuff like not being a part of the problem. This is just not the time to be pointing fingers. Have a nice day and stay safe!
They had a lot of specialists working around the world, basically on alert should something pop up on their radar. They would have alerted and prepared the US in mid to late December. There would have been adequate stockpiles of masks and other supplies. All of this planning was thrown out the door. What we got instead was idiot MAGA thinking that ignoring science and health is the way to make america great again.
Yes, the exact team that should advise him on this, fired. He commented on this at a press conference and said he was a businessman and didnt want stuff to advise him until he needed it. Well, this shows he needed it the whole time.
Questioning political decisions from 2 years ago does absolutely no good. Question the current policies, yes. The "what if we had done this, with perfect hindsight" comments are literally less than usefulness.
Its standard procedure to clean house when a new party takes office. It happens all over the world.
Another way to confirm this is to watch Dr Anthony fauci testimony in congress. He was asked if it was a mistake to get rid of that team. He didn't answer it directly, jut says something like he works well with that team and it would be nice to have them around now.
So his answer confirmed that the team was disbanded
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Do you not understand the Pandemic Response team was eliminated and none of the positions were replaced for the last two years? I wonder who was responsible for not filling those functions?
I know, the "left" or the "libs" or some other oligarchy propaganda you have been programmed with
Sorry, my comment was misplaced and not directed at you. It was meant to be a reply to a comment down thread that repeated the idea that this is all a conspiracy to bring the markets down to prevent a good chance at re-election in November.
I don't know. I would have to look more into it. It's possible not much was being done in the agency when pandemics werent happening and they were just collecting a paycheck. Trump may have made a mistake but it took me all of 2 min to find they quit. Journalists aren't able to figure this out and spend more the 2 min? The truth is they don't care about the actual story. They just want a way to bash Trump. There is almost zero investigation done anymore in journalism. I am pretty sure most of them are unpaid or lowely paid 20 year olds with no budget to do any research. And TDS pays the newspapers bills.
You can look into it. CDC for one makes their budget requests and what they were granted as well as the difference fully public. The actual US budget is available as well. I just looked at the CDC's PDF on funding for emerging and zoonotic infectious diseases, and the president's budget cut it by $59 million. Overall CDC program cuts were $877 million. Some of that funding may have been restored by Congress somewhere in Federal FY 2019, but that's too little too late in the face of a crisis that's here now. It's not like you just apply the dollars and everything is fixed. They have to be programmed, programs have to be defined, staff has to be put in place, you name it. It's not a snap your fingers kind of thing.
They quit after the rear admiral was ousted, that position was dissolved, and all the rest of the staff were moved to other projects not related to pandemic preparedness. I don't see how that makes the statement not true?
I'll do a mea culpa only on the word "fired", with the clear understanding that that word was in the title because that is the claim they were checking. The snippets, which primarily refer back to the Washington Post article others are citing here, clearly explain that it wasn't an outright firing. but does that word matter if the effects are the same?
Also, I've seen others posting elsewhere on this thread that the current administration did not cut funding to the areas of government assigned with the responsibility to respond to a global pandemic scare. I will refer you to the not very liberal fortune.com article of a week ago spelling out exactly what was cut from where at a high level.
And circling back to my original point, it is important for people to understand whether or not government is a partner in fighting this, or whether government is absent or a hindrance to fighting this. Call me crazy, but I don't think cutting programs specifically designed for multiple agencies to respond in the face of a global pandemic crisis gives us the warm f****** fuzzies about whether or not government is on our side.
It is what it is, but it's important for people to know what it is so that they can make plans on their own. I would assume you would agree with that at least?
Referenced article: https://fortune.com/2020/02/26/coronavirus-covid-19-cdc-budget-cuts-us-trump/
"That same year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) was forced to slash its efforts to prevent global disease outbreak by 80% as its funding for the program began to run out. The agency, at the time, opted to focus on 10 priority countries and scale back in others, including China."
"Overall in 2018, Trump called for $15 billion in reduced health spending that had previously been approved, as he looked at increasing budget deficits, cutting the global disease-fighting budgets of the CDC, National Security Council (NSC), Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and Health and Human Services (HHS) in the process."
I'm certainly tired of all the "winning".
And making statements bringing TDS into this is not helpful We are where we are. I would have to look more into the reason why after they quit they weren't replaced. The CDCs funding was only cut 16% and was allegedly because they were not using the funds to do disease research.
>On the second point — funding — there’s no question that the Trump administration sought to cut key CDC budget categories that would be involved in emerging infections like coronavirus. But Bloomberg overlooks that, thanks to Congress, that funding was restored and even increased in bills that were ultimately signed by Trump.
>The statement is partially accurate but leaves out important details, so we rate it Half True.
If there is no reason and the agency was working then Trump may have made a mistake but let's not lie. What happened is some dems quit. How about putting politics above your job instead of making statements. 🤦♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
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This is new news? I thought we were cracking down on repetitive stories and reposts? Oh I forgot we needed our hourly “orange man bad” so people don’t forget. I’d much rather get new and relevant reports than seeing shit we’ve already known just for the sake of making jabs again and again, gets extremely fucking old
Yet, still relevant. People are paying much more attention to this now, which is leading to two separate and distinct issues. The first is the spread of misinformation around what has and has not happened in the past that is affecting what we are experiencing today. The second is to assemble the information to make a reasonable assessment of how well protected we are by our government here in the US with respect to this burgeoning pandemic. It is critically important for people to make their own judgment based on facts (hint: this is an informative fact) and adjust their plans accordingly based on the information at hand. I'm sorry if you don't like it, but that doesn't make it less relevant just because it's not to your taste.
Under the previous administration, the NSC had doubled in size to almost 200 people and had become unmanageable. The increase in size had also blown the budget, making it difficult to hire staff in response to world events. The current administration inherited this mess and has been acting to reduce the size back to a manageable size.
The part of the NSC being talked about here is not the "US pandemic response team" - whatever that is. The DHHS and CDC in particular can function just fine without some NSC staffers.
> Amid warnings from public health officials that a 2020 outbreak of a new coronavirus could soon become a pandemic involving the U.S., alarmed readers asked Snopes to verify a rumor that U.S. President Donald Trump had “fired the entire pandemic response team two years ago and then didn’t replace them.”
Even though Snopes rates this as "true", the article itself only cites the departure of General Ziemer. It doesn't seem feasible that this one man was "the entire pandemic response team."
The tweeter cited by the article also makes the claim:
"Trump also cut funding for the CDC, forcing the CDC to cancel its efforts to help countries prevent infectious-disease threats from becoming epidemics in 39 of 49 countries in 2018."
Snopes goes on to say that this claim is only partly true.
I'm just as shocked as anyone by the abysmal response from the administration, but putting out half-truths doesn't help the cause.
Edit: the Washington Post article includes this phrase:
> The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic [Ziemer] has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.
The Snopes article would be clearer if it quoted or otherwise cited this passage because the departure of a head of a team doesn't necessarily mean that the team was disbanded.
The Washington Post article later confusingly notes:
> Another administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the issue publicly, acknowledged it was only one of many administration priorities. “In a world of limited resources, you have to pick and choose,” he said. “We lost a little bit of the leadership, but the expertise remains.”
If the team is gone, how does the expertise remain?