RT @politico: The Food and Drug Administration issued an emergency use authorization for decades-old malaria drugs championed by President Donald Trump for coronavirus treatment despite scant evidence
Are you a doctor, a medic, a nurse, or have any idea what htis drug can do if it's taken outside of a doctors care? Which is the situation we're all worried about with president dumbass telling people it's so good, and we've already had one death from it. You understand it can cause sudden cardiac arrest syndrome right? You understand it cannot be taken if you are on a WHOLE HOST of medicines, right? This isn't a cure, it's a shot in the dark that is yet to be peer reviewed, and at this point it isn't even evidence based medicine because the trial had about the same effeciency as no drug at all. No, you know none of that because you ate the koolaid and are functionally a knuckle dragging mongoloid that can't understand data, information, or truth. Keep dealing in lies dipshit.
Imagine posting an article and getting ass-blasted when people read the whole article and not just the headline. You're a special kind of stupid, my friend.
Your stance is entirely held up by two things. The FDA approval (which just means that its safe for proper consumption, not that it works), and an anecdotal article. You don't even have TRUMP, since he never even said it would work. What you have going against you is the WHO, the CDC, the EU, and literally any other health organization.
Also, how is being against using a drug for a disease until it's tested for that disease akin to getting your face eaten? Do you even understand what the point of this sub is?
Also also, you type like a typical Trump supporter and that's funny to me.
Lol, best part is, I don't even support him. It's just funny how anyone who aligns against you must support Trump. You really live in a world full of two types of people. I feel so sorry for you and your narrow views. But mocking you is too sweet to pass up.
I'm an individual, my ideas and opinions are my own. I know that kills you and makes you seeth.
\>I'm an individual, my ideas and opinions are my own.
I never implied they weren't. You, your ideas, and your opinions are all individually crackhead insane, and you didn't even need someone else to make you think that way. Congratulations. Now go back to burning crosses and lynching minorities.
>I am a minority, should I lynch myself? / and I'm kinda not white.
"You know how much POC joke about **us**? Fucking daily. You ever talked to one in real life about it? They are honest unlike **us**. I imagine you are one of those folks who thinks saying Black Americans eat watermelon and fried chicken is racism, but saying white people use water for seasoning is different and perfectly fine."
Well that wasn't very hard lmao. Exactly how far do you think your lies through before you say them?
>The KKK wouldn't let me join because I'm not a democrat
If you're gonna claim to be an independent thinker, try not to regurgitate myths conservatives made to excuse their own racism. And this is all before I point out the obvious intentional ignorance of the DNC/RNC platform swap.
I'm mexican bro. I look pretty white and POC = black in my world. I get tons of shit believe it or not. I'm always called white boy, it fucking sucks being mexican and looking white. I get burned on both ends.
>politifact as a source LOL
KKK was a democractic party, can't change that history buddy. Look into Jim Crow more maybe?
Lol you're so mad, I love it. Cognitive dissonance is a real pain to deal with I bet. Ignoring reality because you let yourself get so brainwashed by the tube that you become angry at others opinions. I literally, can't imagine how that feels.
Question. If the switch happened around 1820-1860, and the KKK was formed in 1868... Then the current democrats formed the KKK, so, why would the "switch" have to do with anything? Jim Crow laws started in 1878. Seems to me, once you guys firmly established your new, and **current** democratic party, the first order of business was racism, forming the KKK, and passing Jim Crows laws which stayed in effect till 1965.
>POC = black in my world
That's because your world is retarded and doesn't understand the definition of simple words. That or you're just trying to cover getting caught in a lie with another lie lmao. Probably the latter.
>KKK was a democractic party
I've already given an actual source that says differently. You've given jack-shit. Show ME a credible source that agrees with YOU.
I love how you completely ignored the party platform swap part btw :)
It's incredible that you still don't understand that nobody was "BTFO". The FDA approval doesn't prove anyone right or wrong. It doesn't mean that the drug works against COVID.
You must either be a child or senile if you're this fucking stupid. Have fun cashing in your Trumpbux without any remorse over gaining from that awful, disgusting socialism.
IVF-MDReproductive Endocrinologist and MedSchool Attendi5 months ago
It would seem that currently, massive testing of HCQ is not without cost, because it could be depriving SLE and RA patients. But once production is ramped up, then it makes sense to at least try it as long as it doesn't make doctors rely on it in lieu or other treatments. As the sample size goes up, the answer will be clearer.
Tribal malicious pieces of shit? How about the people actively hoping there's no effective treatment currently? I'd probably call those people the pieces of shit. As if the hater have the moral authority in this case. Bite me.
“Tribal malicious pieces of shit? How about the people actively hoping there's no effective treatment currently? I'd probably call those people the pieces of shit. As if the hater have the moral authority in this case. Bite me.”
Where are those people, besides inside your head, of course?
Seriously, you’re so cynical and convinced that your president is being persecuted that you genuinely believe there’re people that hope there’s no effective treatment. Dude, get professional help ASAP.
If you were diagnosed with Covid, would you take it? I notice that Dr. Fauci said in an interview that he'd prescribe it to his own patients. Given that we already have decades of experience with the side effects, it doesn't sound like it's too bad a deal to me. If you don't want yours, I'll be glad to give you an address so you can ship any you get to me, if you'd like.
Seems to be working at least minimally at our institution. I have no clue why everyone in here is freaking out about trying something new while simultaneously screeching at every opportunity that the end is nigh.
DirtyProjectorConcerned Citizen Wanting to Help The Medical Comm5 months ago
Can you say more about what you mean by it working minimally?
Rotating at a rather large institution that has many centers throughout my state. We've had several dozen cases of Covid now in our MICU. Our ID specialists have informed us that Hydroxychloroquine (and I think Azithro?) are on our treatment algorithm and most of our ICU patients have been discharged save for a single case where the individual was elderly with a very poor prognosis to begin with. They seem to have positive views of the therapy thus far.
DirtyProjectorConcerned Citizen Wanting to Help The Medical Comm5 months ago
How are you handling QT interval? And how critical were patients who were prescribed HCQ? My theory was that patients who were too advanced with high viral load wouldn’t respond well to treatment. It seems like if this is the case, and you’re getting a 95% clearance rate this should be spread around to other hospitals immediately.
These patients are on a different team handled by attendings only; all I hear is second hand/third hand from other residents/attendings. Plus we aren't allowed to peep in their charts which is ridiculous. Don't have any more information than that, other than that the hospital is a part of the clinical trials for testing efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine and Covid.
I couldn’t agree more , while I’m just a student the negative reaction is unjust. It seems as if people forget this compound was synthesized over 70 years ago. It’s not like it’s side affects and contraindications are unknown.
He mentions it under the brand name of "Plaquenil"....
"Plaquenil which has weak ACE2 blockade doesn't appear to be a savior of any kind in our patient population. Theoretically, it may have some prophylactic properties but so far it is difficult to see the benefit to our hospitalized patients, but we are using it and the studies will tell. With Plaquenil's potential QT prolongation and liver toxic effects (both particularly problematic in covid 19 patients), I am not longer selectively prescribing this medication as I stated on a previous post."
Trump won't let it go because he isn't capable of admitting he is wrong about something. Eventually what he'll do is say that "it helped many people" even if it is shown to have had no effect.
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Interesting dilemma here. CDC/FDA got crucified in the media and court of public opinion for trying to control COVID testing in order to keep standards high, which came at the direct expense of speed. Now, it appears they are getting crucified for lowering strict standards for the sake of speed.
>CDC/FDA got crucified in the media and court of public opinion for trying to control COVID testing in order to keep standards high, which came at the direct expense of speed.
Well CDC/FDA didn't just fuck up the speed, they took valuable time to produce a test that didn't work while simultaneously telling others not to use other tests.
For anyone who isn't a troll, I'd like to also point out that just because the FDA approves something doesn't mean it works. The FDA approves dietary supplements, for example. FDA approval merely means that when taken properly, it isn't dangerous.
[Ya listen to this guy, not the trolls. These crazy doctors claiming a 100% success rate with it are probably a conspiracy theory and secret Russian plot to undermine our elections in 2020!!!!](https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-ny-doctor-vladimir-zelenko-finds-100-success-rate-350-patients-using-hydroxychloroquine-zinc/5707381?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles)
Yes, we have time for that. I'm sure there will be plenty of peer reviewed findings in the coming months. In the heat of things, it's a little different. But you know that. I'll come back and post those findings too.
The thing you fail to grasp is that at this time it is essential we follow sound medical advice. When you hold the most visible stage in the world, don't use that stage to spout unfounded bullshit. Perhaps these things could be researched in a more timely manner if your fucking savior hadn't gutted every agency that serves the public interest.
**having no foundation or basis in fact.**
Ok kiddo. Neat big words though. I bet when you learn what they acktually mean you will sound smart to smart people and not just the dumb ones. There is plenty of fact and foundation to merit chloroquine. Why do you think FDA used emergency power to push it through for use against COVID-19? Because POTUS said so? You're laughably delusional and misguided. I feel bad for people like you that are bitches to their own dogma.
You're just another gullible TV brainwashed moron believing the koolaide is fresh. Time will show how stupid you really are. Too bad you're too dumb to grow from the experience.
HHS accepts donations of medicine to Strategic National Stockpile as possible treatments for COVID-19 patients
FDA issues emergency use authorization for donated hydroxychloroquine sulfate, chloroquine phosphate
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) today accepted 30 million doses of hydroxychloroquine sulfate donated by Sandoz, the Novartis generics and biosimilars division, and one million doses of chloroquine phosphate donated by Bayer Pharmaceuticals, for possible use in treating patients hospitalized with COVID-19 or for use in clinical trials. These and other companies may donate additional doses, and companies have ramped up production to provide additional supplies of the medication to the commercial market.
I have TriCare (military insurance) and Express Scripts manages their pharmacy program. I just got off the phone with the pharmacist who said that TriCare has ordered them to drop refills down from 90-day to 30-day supply, and only dispense to those with Lupus and Rheumatoid Arthritis on their records (you can update your profile on their website, I think). The rest has been ordered to be dispensed to COVID-19 patients. She also said this could change daily until the situation is stabilized. I know this doesn’t help all of y’all out there, but maybe other health plans will follow suit. I’m not telling anyone to do this, but I have cut my dose back from 2 pills a day to 1...it has a 39 day half life, so I assume this will at least help keep it in my system and out of the hospital with a flare up.
Thanks for the news. *sigh* I'm also TRICARE and Express Scripts. I couldn't afford the meds at the moment even if I could get an extra script. I did do as you are and started halving my dose nightly. I should have enough for another 6-8 weeks.
"Let's see how it works," Trump said at a press briefing on Sunday, referencing New York state's efforts. "It may. It may not."
Career scientists have been skeptical of the effort, noting the lack of data on the drugs' efficacy for coronavirus care and worried that it would siphon medication away from patients who need it for other conditions, calling instead for the agency to pursue its usual clinical trials.
However, a growing number of lupus and arthritis patients have complained that they've been unable to full their prescriptions amid ongoing shortages, and reports have emerged that some physicians are hoarding the drug for themselves.
I would like to see who at FDA's [Medical Countermeasures Initiative] signed off on this EUA despite the total lack of scientific evidence that chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine are beneficial in the treatment of COVID-19," Luciana Borio, who served as FDA's acting chief scientist between 2015 and 2017. "EUA is supposed to be issued when the evidence indicates that benefits outweigh the risks."
Every quote that proves the leopards have eaten your face already, from the story you provided.
[Let's see how it works](https://www.globalresearch.ca/report-successful-treatment-coronavirus/5708056)
Bahahahahahahaha, you guys are so insanely gullible. Media says Jump into the lava, you say:
>Right away master! Anything for you master!
Quick question: If someone shares a story that proves how high an analogy flew over their head, can they still consider themselves right? You're proof that the answer is yes.
Edit: The site you linked literally has a news section devoted to a terrorist attack from almost 20 years ago, with stories published as recently as a year ago. You say we're swayed by the leftist media machine, but you ignore your own biases by doing this. Look in the mirror.
You're an idiot. This article says repeatedly that it hasn't been proven to work and this is basically a shot in the dark. People have already overdosed on this drug after orange boy's ill informed remarks. It's weird that you site this as a victory. Did you even read the article you posted?
>I can't put the puzzle together. You linked leftist media article, but don't support leftist media... IMPOSSIBLE, wait, like, you just used it as a source for FDA approval, and you didn't want to discuss the authors opinions on FDA approval? IMPOSSIBLE
SMH. You guys are actually this dumb.
>Trump told people to drink fishtank cleaner
You're so mad 24/7, aren't you? Just mad mad mad. When you're proven wrong, which happens a lot I imagine, it makes you more mad (that's called cognitive dissonance)
Your brain is so washed, that the neuro paths don't support reality anymore. That's the truth, and it actually causes you pain and suffering which is hilarious.
>The leftist media who hates Trump and who is the one that told me Chloroquine was bad guy medicine is still stomping its feet now that the FDA has approved Chloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19
Oh no! Well if the leftist media says Orange man bad then I better check my NPC firmware and verify im on the right version!
I linked article because FDA approved Chloroquine. If you want to get sucked into the opinion of the article I linked rather then the fact this whole sub got BTFO by FDA approval, well, be my guest!
[Facts are facts boys, enjoy looking fucking stupid](https://www.globalresearch.ca/report-successful-treatment-coronavirus/5708056)
You know what drug the FDA also approved? Avastin for breast cancer. Guess what? They are now REVOKING that approval due to it not being effective and causing side effects.
The point, oh ignorant one, is that the FDA approving a drug does not mean it is safe, effective or that they won't revoke it. You trying to "mock" this sub over your lack of understanding as to how FDA approval works is making you look like a clown. It is hilarious when folks like yourself are so smug and self satisfied...*and wrong as hell*.
>I don't understand why a leftist media outlet would try to put negative spin on a story to try and make it seem like it's a bad thing.
Lol sweety we know you don't understand, and we know you probably never will.
I am trying to reason with you as an adult. Can we drop the rudeness?
> leftist media outlet
There's no such thing, but that's not important; literally no accredited health organization, not even America's, agree with Trump. ***Trump himself*** said "it might not work".
>Trump says Chloroquine might be a cure
>reddit loses its mind calling him a monster, terrorist, etc. the usual
>this sub in particular has about 10 posts on its front page about a poor family taking pool chloroquine and politicizes it because they can never waste an opportunity to be adults and politicize someones death.
>FDA approves chloroquine, Trump was right
>This sub now BTFO and eating crow
>Well, wait no, why don't we just be adults and mature about this
LOL! Ya, no.
[Nothing to discuss. We are not experts. How about reddit stop politicizing everything and getting BTFO the next day and ignoring it repeatedly.](https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-ny-doctor-vladimir-zelenko-finds-100-success-rate-350-patients-using-hydroxychloroquine-zinc/5707381?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles)
It's like you guys just go from one BS story to the next. What is it today that you will latch onto? Oh, masks right? Trump ruined masks its all his fault he ultimate bad guy #1 right? Till tomorrow when someone will show he did the right thing then you guys will ignore and move onto next BS gotcha headline.
Your whole sub was bashing Trump for discussing this potential cure. Now that the FDA has backed it, and [many examples are showing it is a cure](https://www.globalresearch.ca/report-successful-treatment-coronavirus/5708056) NOOWWWW you want to play the
>L-let's not be partisan and make this political guys
How disingenuous can you guys be?
Again, your **own** article explains that no one in the medical community believes it. The CDC doesn't believe it. The WHO, the EU, none of the international health bodies believe it. **Trump himself** doesn't believe it.
And yes, I don't believe that medicine should be made into a political issue. How am I disingenuous?
* no credible health organization - not even the CDC - believed that ***anti-malarial*** drugs can help against this ***viral*** pandemic. More importantly,
* ***Trump himself*** said it might not help. I'm not sure how why you keep ignoring this. If your sole source of its efficacy is Trump, and Trump himself doubted it, shouldn't you doubt it?
FDA approved its use ***without clinical trials***. It's stated explicitly in the article. In other words, there's no proof it works.
More importantly, the CDC did not endorse the claim. Neither did any of the international health organizations elsewhere. The only person who do - Trump - doesn't believe it himself.
I'm not trying to persuade any of you. What a fruitless endeavour that would be for me.
I'm here to call a leopard eating its own face just that.
Adults and adolescents who weigh 50 kg or more and are hospitalized with COVID-19 for whom a clinical trial is not available, or participation is not feasible.
The suggested dose under this EUA for hydroxychloroquine sulfate to treat adults and adolescents who weigh 50 kg or more and are hospitalized with COVID-19 for whom a clinical trial is not available or participation is not feasible, is 800 milligrams of hydroxychloroquine sulfate on the first day of treatment and then 400 milligrams daily for four to seven days of total treatment based on clinical evaluation.
The suggested dose under this EUA for chloroquine phosphate... is 1 gram of chloroquine phosphate on day one, followed by 500 milligrams daily for four to seven days of total treatment based on clinical evaluation.
A baseline electrocardiogram should be obtained to assess for QT interval prolongation and other abnormalities... Monitor the electrocardiogram during treatment. Baseline evaluation of renal and hepatic function is recommended.