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Jon Matonis - @jonmatonis
4 months ago
RT @getongab: Declined by yet another bank for payment processing. Losing count at this point it is between 15-20 banks that have declined. Good thing the banks can't stop us from accepting bitcoin. No one can. https://t.co/jfCwRqKqwY
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Dennis Parker⚡️ - @Xentagz
4 months ago
RT @getongab: Declined by yet another bank for payment processing. Losing count at this point it is between 15-20 banks that have declined. Good thing the banks can't stop us from accepting bitcoin. No one can. https://t.co/jfCwRqKqwY
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Francis Pouliot ⚡️ - @francispouliot_
4 months ago
RT @getongab: Declined by yet another bank for payment processing. Losing count at this point it is between 15-20 banks that have declined. Good thing the banks can't stop us from accepting bitcoin. No one can. https://t.co/jfCwRqKqwY
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Pierre Rochard - @pierre_rochard
4 months ago
RT @stephanlivera: Bitcoin (thanks to projects like @BtcpayServer ) enables unstoppable payments https://t.co/pm8eOqZlhE
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Nick Szabo⚡️ - @NickSzabo4
4 months ago
RT @getongab: You can now purchase a Make Speech Free Again hat and GabPro via bitcoin and litecoin thanks to @BtcpayServer, which NO ONE can no-platform. https://t.co/wSWgGMWnKB
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Ragnar Lifthrasir ⚑ - @Ragnarly
4 months ago
RT @getongab: Literally NO ONE can no-platform our new crypto shop. No one.
Not banks.
Not the media.
Not activists.
Not online mobs.
Crypto= freedom.
https://t.co/wSWgGMWnKB https://t.co/yIWncZbUqf
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Kevin Pham - @_Kevin_Pham
4 months ago
RT @getongab: You can now purchase a Make Speech Free Again hat and GabPro via bitcoin and litecoin thanks to @BtcpayServer, which NO ONE can no-platform. https://t.co/wSWgGMWnKB
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target_locked
The Banana King of Mods. 4 months ago
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RPN68
rejecting flair since current_year - √(-1) 4 months ago
Been said by others already, but hubris is not your friend in the face of 3-letter agencies.
IRS, SEC, FTC
Any of these agencies, on their own, can and will be able to disrupt your world. Sometimes they can do so simply by sending you a certified letter in the mail.
Of course, you can fight back. Good luck with that. Have lots and lots and lots of money on hand. Outside counsel doesn't come cheap.
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ForPortal
4 months ago
The Chinese Communist Party physically controls 75% of your payment processor's infrastructure. One day they are going to take advantage of that fact.
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DryDrowner
4 months ago
Nothing is bulletproof. But I admire him trying to circumvent the current gatekeepers.
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HolyThirteen
Rule34K get! 4 months ago
Right up until they have some moral outrage that YOU are willing to go along with, and I doubt you would even tolerate a debate on the matter.
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0x00x0x000x0x00x0
4 months ago
Welcome.aboard. i've only been saying this for half a decade now. It's pretty simple, really.
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BubbleNigaSkeetSkeet
4 months ago
they willingly operate on an isp that no-platforms them if they dont censor themselves.
funny how the donation box is oh so conveniently secure.
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mnemosyne-0002
chibi mnemosyne 4 months ago
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- By hasapoint (oyez.org): http://archive.fo/6icAI
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LiteLiger
4 months ago
Well ive been jabbing about Crypto a lot to Gab + Bitchute, love to see Gab in the game. I would hope different currencies would be in future or native token to their platform.
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SixtyFours
Commodore 64s - Mod 4 months ago
Just letting you know that you are shadowbanned on Reddit.
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KazarakOfKar
4 months ago
Except crypto is still too volatile to be a primary form of payment. If it went up and down say even 30% in a given year that is one thing; we see fluctuations of many hundreds of percent in both directions. A business cannot live off of that kind of instability.
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ryeixn
4 months ago
What makes you think they aren't converting crypto into fiat on a daily basis?
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hga_another
4 months ago
Which is then followed by [Nemesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemesis_\(mythology\)).
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CrankyDClown
Groomy Beardman 4 months ago
The real weakness of crypto lies with exchanging it for actual money. We've already had at least one case in Norway where the bank just shut down an account and froze all assets because the guy who ran the exchange couldn't document that the money had not been involved in any form of crime. I believe that's through either an EU regulation or some other international reg.
So yeah, banks can very shut down crypto.
I'm not even going to touch on the bubble aspect of the whole shitshow.
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ryeixn
4 months ago
> The real weakness of crypto lies with exchanging it for actual money.
Note that Gab got frozen out of Coinbase for exactly this reason; presumably they're now using one of the zillions of other exchanges that handle it. In addition, they could set up a shell company that simply does a pass-through of the money, so nobody would be "doing business with Gab", they'd be doing business with "Bitcoin Payment Processor QWERTY" or whatever.
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hga_another
4 months ago
> In addition, they could set up a shell company that simply does a pass-through of the money, so nobody would be "doing business with Gab", they'd be doing business with "Bitcoin Payment Processor QWERTY" or whatever.
And now you're guilty of money laundering.
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ryeixn
4 months ago
Money laundering is when you hide *illegal* money from the feds or try it hide income for tax purposes, not when you move *legal* money around and report it to the IRS just fine
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SsaEborp
4 months ago
People don't get that even if you aren't *touching* a "bank" in your transaction path, the banks can fuck with entities for accepting crypto, or just go crying to their pet regulator in any jurisdiction and have them go after you for them.
In general, the crowd currently driving crypto are utterly naive as to the power and reach of the Owners of the pool they are pissing in.
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nodeworx
102K GET 4 months ago
Unfortunately hard crypto itself is being more and more outlawed...
What's needed is a cryptonomicon style data haven...
Neal Stephenson predicted this shit and the need for this kind of stuff almost 20 years ago...
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The alternative is to host your stuff the same way most of the piratebay etc. type stuff has been doing... In countries with loose laws and no extradition to the US or anywhere 1st world.
Crytpo itself isn't the end all be all of the story if your data is hosted in a country the requires a backdoor into anything and where strong crypto isn't even legal.
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C4st1gator
4 months ago
Well, minting your own coins from gold, silver and copper can get you convicted as a terrorist.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard\_von\_NotHaus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_von_NotHaus)
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the_nybbler
Friendly and nice to everyone 4 months ago
The funny thing is Israel is a crypto powerhouse.
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Manatee01
4 months ago
Easy to spin that too. "Well, of course, All that Jewish banking experience has got to count for something!"
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KusoShiteNero
4 months ago
If there's one thing the internet is never lacking in, it's autism. Upon reading this, there are a lot of people who will exclaim ORLY and make it their mission to destroy his payment system.
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Dzonatan
4 months ago
Sounds to me like the guy who posted that is a saboteur who is well aware of that.
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SsaEborp
4 months ago
Literally NO ONE can no-platform our new crypto shop.
As someone working with crypto, and watching the shit slog he's been on, I understand why he is hype. But the Banks are ABSOLUTELY still capable of using financial regulators and various treaties like MLAT and others to fuck with your payments.
EDIT: There was a book I read a million years ago by an investigator about concealing your your assets and dropping off the radar. This was pre-9/11 and WAY pre-smart phone, so most of the specific advice is out the window, but one part of it stuck with me. This guy would lay out each method and then point out the weaknesses and compromises that it brought with it. Nearly every one ended like this: "If you follow this advice, you should be fine. The only exceptions would be if you're wanted for murder, drugs or "they" want you really bad." The first two, or the suggestion of them would be under MLAT. That last one well, think Julian Assange.
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Gizortnik
4 months ago
Your author is correct. Most of your safety precautions are about just trying to cover your ass from people sneaking around and doing stupid shit. But if the *big guys* want to fucking hunt your ass down, you better find a big guy to get cozy with. This is why Snowden and Assange *fucking fled*. They pissed off intelligence agencies enough to make them start deploying assets to catch them.
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archangelgabriel12
4 months ago
mlat is enforced by governments and we all know if the us government wants to shut u down they will shut u down. one way or the other
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ihatesomanythings
4 months ago
Was it *Hide Your Assets and Disappear* by Edmund Pankau? That is a really good book.
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KazarakOfKar
4 months ago
If they want you real bad and it won't attract attention they will just Marilyn Monroe you.
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hasapoint
4 months ago
A cabal of neo-Liberal activists used the IRS as their personal ideological attack dog to shut down Progressive and Conservative political speech. If you think you're bulletproof, I've got three letters for you:
#I. R. S.
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CallMeBigPapaya
4 months ago
So the IRS is totally capable of freezing your regular bank accounts, and taking whatever they want, but I'm curious about the extent and how exactly they go about going after someone's crypto. Sure you won't be able to cash it out, but I wonder if it'd go anywhere.
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0x00x0x000x0x00x0
4 months ago
Not their keys, not their money. There is nothing they can do short of torturing you for your private key. Well, as long as you're not storing all your money on an exchange or online wallet.
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hasapoint
4 months ago
> Sure you won't be able to cash it out
If you can't pay your rent, or your employees, or your vendors, or your hosting company, or anyone else without fiat currency, what's the point? You'd need everyone you do business with to accept your crypto in order to make use of it, and *they* would need to be such true believers that they're willing to be paid in Monopoly™ Money, knowing they might not be able to spend it, *ever*.
It would be easier to overthrow the government outright than to get essentially the entire nation to accept a cryptocurrency that can only be spent if everyone else wants to use it too.
A true currency is worth what people believe it is. If the US Government says "That coin is worthless, and we're willing to back that statement up with lethal force." who are we to argue? They'd be correct, de facto.
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Kryvakryz
4 months ago
> "That coin is worthless, and we're willing to back that statement up with lethal force."
...how would that work, exactly? It's not like there is some secret cryptos-printing facility for them to raid. Anyone can mine cryptos and as you've just said, they have as much worth as people think they have.
Not that cryptos are untouchable. The government or it's extension could start manipulating cryptocurrencies in a way that would make them very unreliable and basically useless. They could even manufacture consent for this, too. Just get your shills in the media to smear everyone using them as pedos or drug dealers and boom, now you have the public support to do whatever you want to.
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hga_another
4 months ago
Ummm, it's right in what he said, "*and we're willing to back that statement up with lethal force*". Mine crypto, *put your transactions on an immutable blockchain*, which in the case of Bitcoin is anything but anonymous in practice, the government arrests and imprisons you using the threat of lethal force if you resist.
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Kryvakryz
4 months ago
>Ummm, it's right in what he said
Um, except it's not? What part of that sentence says *anything* remotely close to what you've added yourself in the very next, new sentence? But nevermind, there are some good points here and I no longer need the answer for my question.
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hasapoint
4 months ago
Nobody has to track down who's mining coins via the blockchain. All the government has to do is say 'muh terrorism' and threaten anyone exchanging your coins for goods or services in meatspace.
The American government successfully argued that [*growing wheat and eating it* is 'interstate commerce'](https://www.oyez.org/cases/1940-1955/317us111). They don't require facts, evidence, or even the English language to impose their shitty will on you. Nine fuckwit statists decided that almost eighty years ago, and they've been running with it ever since.
By that twisted logic, if you create your own blockchain, mine your own coins, and just hoard them for your own amusement, without even the technical capacity to give them to others, you're participating in interstate, hell, intergalactic commerce and they can send their jackboots to your door, flashbang your baby, shoot your dog, and drag you out by the short hairs.
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hga_another
4 months ago
Or as I put it, 1942's [*Wickard v. Filburn*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn) provided all the legal basis the Federal government needed to implement its own terror famine in the model of Stalin.
New Dealers didn't like it being pointed out that FDR ruled a lot more in the style of the dictators of that age than a normal President, including by that time the whole President for Life thing, that was his 3rd term, with a Soviet stooge as his VP, we were one heartbeat away from the USSR effectively owning the Executive and more than a little of the Congress.
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SsaEborp
4 months ago
>Muh books are clean!
Guess what homie, IRS/SEC/FTC/Treasury don't give a
#FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
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Aurondarklord
unwoke bluepilled shapeshifting reptoid 4 months ago
But if somebody wants to trade crypto for anime lolis on your shop, YOU'LL deplatform them, right?
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sciencemile
All terrorists are, essentially, pissbaby bitches. 4 months ago
So you're saying somebody else needs to start a payment processor specifically for that <_< which uses LoliCoin
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CartoonEricRoberts
4 months ago
If a crypto shop is actually implemented properly even the people running it wouldn't be able to deplatform someone.
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Steampunk_Moustache
4 months ago
Unironically discussing how to bring about a second holocaust: A-ok
Drawing a 4000 year old vampire loli catgirl who likes headpats and sucking dick: Forbidden
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henlp
Descent into Madness 4 months ago
Test their puritanism with the very easy test of presenting an immortal loli and a random female anime character that is canonically underage yet has a design of a developed body. Then ask them who's legal and watch 'em squirm.
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Steampunk_Moustache
4 months ago
[3-8 years old](https://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters/dizzy-acc.jpg)
[901 years old](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/48/42/86/484286275804136867ed1827f88e9d37.jpg)
Which one am I allowed draw porn of?
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henlp
Descent into Madness 4 months ago
Both, I ain't the Loli Police. Nor am I delusional in thinking that drawn lines constitute a victim of a horrendous crime.
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CartoonEricRoberts
4 months ago
Do you actually think the canonical age of the character has any bearing on whether the person jacking it is a pedo or not?
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ComplexRadish
Agent of S.E.N.P.A.I. 4 months ago
> whether the person jacking it is a pedo or not?
Question: If an actual pedophile masturbates to a porn star who is of age, but looks young, is that wrong?
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CartoonEricRoberts
4 months ago
Whether it's wrong doesn't come into it. If someone makes porn with someone of legal age that somehow looks prepubescent they are clearly going for a certain market.
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ComplexRadish
Agent of S.E.N.P.A.I. 4 months ago
So? Why does the market they're going for matter if no *actual children*, or anyone else, are victimized?
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CartoonEricRoberts
4 months ago
I'm making no statement about the morality or lack thereof of ersatz child porn or illustrated child porn. The point I'm making is do you want a platform where you can defend it with actual political speech but can't post it or a platform where you can post it but aren't free to speak for or against it?
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ComplexRadish
Agent of S.E.N.P.A.I. 4 months ago
Let me remind you that Gab banned loli while calling it "demonic garbage". A platform that bans things because they offend the owner(s) is not a free speech platform.
Also, why not a platform where loli can be both posted and defended/attacked? That's what Gab was, before they decided it was their job to make moral judgements.
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RevRound
4 months ago
The problem is that there are a ton of people who will cite the age of a character in anime and say they are underage and therefore pedo. However in anime age is basically an arbitrary number. A 13 yo anime character with a fully developed body is no more of a loli than some canonically 20 year old character. But hundred year old lolis are common enough to be a trope at this point. So when people play that gotcha game it really just exposes how much they don't get anime.
Also, and even more importantly, there is literally no victim with fictional characters. Is fapping to lolicon gross? Sure, but nobody is being harmed. Once that involves real people then gas the fuckers.
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CartoonEricRoberts
4 months ago
I don't care what they do. It's the constant smug "It'S nOt ChIlD pOrN" refrain that comes up every fucking time. There are some things that a person should not be smug about.
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Steampunk_Moustache
4 months ago
>It's the constant smug "It'S nOt ChIlD pOrN" refrain that comes up every fucking time.
But the smug "It'S ChIlD pOrN" refrain that comes up in response to the canonically 16 [hatsune miku](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d3/09/30/d30930f0f14aafc13b4028a66ce4277d.png) is fine? Canon age matters for Miku, but suddenly doesn't for other characters? Why?
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CartoonEricRoberts
4 months ago
Because that weebshit isn't drawn as a literal prepubescent child. There's a line.
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Steampunk_Moustache
4 months ago
>Because that weebshit isn't drawn as a literal prepubescent child. There's a line.
So now you're back to arguing that so long as something *looks* like it's not a prebucescent child, it's okay to wank to?
You still haven't answered this for me:
Without googling, tell me which one of these girls turns you into a pedophile if you have naughty thoughts while looking at them.
[This one?](https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1001/1466093997_e5702abfd8.jpg)
[Or this one?](http://www.rayout.cl/wp-content/gallery/saaya-irie/saaya012.jpg)
In fact, you seem to be actively avoiding providing an answer.
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Steampunk_Moustache
4 months ago
Well, the reason we have a legal age of consent is because children are generally too uninformed, and too lacking in their own agency to really consent in a meaningful way.
The reason is *not* 'cause they look like children', or it would be illegal to fuck short, skinny flat-chested 18 year olds with baby-faces, but legal to fuck 12 year olds with D-cups. ...So in case of a drawing of a fictitious person, why *shouldn't* the canon age - or at least canon *mental age* matter?
Without googling, tell me which one of these girls turns you into a pedophile if you have naughty thoughts while looking at them.
[This one?](https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1001/1466093997_e5702abfd8.jpg)
[Or this one?](http://www.rayout.cl/wp-content/gallery/saaya-irie/saaya012.jpg)
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lolfail9001
4 months ago
> Without googling, tell me which one of these girls turns you into a pedophile if you have naughty thoughts while looking at them.
Neither because both have hit their puberty a while ago.
Both are underage though, i dare bet.
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CartoonEricRoberts
4 months ago
The canon age doesn't matter because they are drawn to look like children. Not teenagers. Not young adults. Children. And sorry, but no, the short skinny adult doesn't look like a child; they just look like a short skinny adult.
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Steampunk_Moustache
4 months ago
>no, the short skinny adult doesn't look like a child
Are you referring to the one I linked a picture of, or are you saying that no 18 year old girl can look like a child?
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CartoonEricRoberts
4 months ago
That's retarded. Nobody cares the canonical age of your child waifu, Muhammad-san.
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henlp
Descent into Madness 4 months ago
All jokes aside, that is a massive point of concern. Is Torba gonna be completely hands-off the service? Will he actually default to US Law? Or will he throw a temper-tantrum and start banning people that asked him a technical question on Twitter that day?
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Aurondarklord
unwoke bluepilled shapeshifting reptoid 4 months ago
Oh I'm not kidding. Gab claims to be a free speech service, but they're no better than Twitter and just more dishonest about it if it's really "free speech except when I'M offended".
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CartoonEricRoberts
4 months ago
Porn isn't speech. At least it has never been considered so in the United States. Sorry, but you're going to have to tack on a political message to your illustrated child porn.
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Aurondarklord
unwoke bluepilled shapeshifting reptoid 4 months ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McAeQiLmEYU
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Aurondarklord
unwoke bluepilled shapeshifting reptoid 4 months ago
Go on then, cite the SCOTUS decision that says porn isn't speech. It has to actually say porn, not an ambiguous "I know it when I see it" that could mean anything.
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the_nybbler
Friendly and nice to everyone 4 months ago
> Miller v. California
All waifus have artistic value if nothing else; your cite is invalid.
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Aurondarklord
unwoke bluepilled shapeshifting reptoid 4 months ago
And where's it say that porn isn't speech? Let's see that quote.
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B-VOLLEYBALL-READY
The internet was a mistake. 4 months ago
More interested in that Patreon alternative from Gab that's supposedly in the works.
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revofire
pettan über alles 4 months ago
If that has crypto too, that'll be perfect. Finally more notice to those who don't know what crypto is and how it far surpasses what we currently have in terms of censorship.
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AntonioOfVenice
4 months ago
Sad that this is necessary, and it will have disastrous effects in the long run - terrorists, criminals, etc. will make great use of crypto.
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ComplexRadish
Agent of S.E.N.P.A.I. 4 months ago
They make good use of guns too.
Crypto is a tool; what the users do with it is on them, not anyone else.
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Loftyz47
4 months ago
>it will have disastrous effects in the long run - terrorists, criminals, etc. will make great use of crypto.
Freedom from the global banking system that enslaves countries and starts wars, fueling the military industrial complex and shackling future generations with trillions in debt without their consent.
Yea, freedom from that is terrible because of some criminal bois. Nothing to be said about the criminal bois in the global banking system?
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AntonioOfVenice
4 months ago
> Freedom from the global banking system that enslaves countries and starts wars, fueling the military industrial complex and shackling future generations with trillions in debt without their consent.
"Logic can lead you from A to B. Imagination can lead you anywhere."
- Albert Einstein
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Loftyz47
4 months ago
Was anything I said incorrect?
Is crypto not freedom from surveillance & control?
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AntonioOfVenice
4 months ago
> Was anything I said incorrect?
All of it in that rant I quoted.
> Is crypto not freedom from surveillance & control?
For good people as well as terrorists and criminals. Not sure how talking about 'criminal bankers' mitigates the actions of criminals who do far greater damage.
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Loftyz47
4 months ago
>For good people as well as terrorists and criminals.
For people. No need for any qualifiers. It provides freedom to people.
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christianknight
4 months ago
This is good. In a post modern world the truth speakers are the terrorists.
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AntonioOfVenice
4 months ago
Yes, but in an ideal world, governments would actually be interested in protecting us against threats, and we wouldn't need to use things like crypto - so they'd have a free hand in those using these things for malicious purposes.
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Red-Lantern
4 months ago
An ideal world wouldn't need government to protect the people. All people would be good and cooperative.
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AntonioOfVenice
4 months ago
You cannot change human nature. You can change human institutions. In theory, you can imagine a state where institutions are so structured that politicians are incentivized to do good.
Not saying it will happen, of course. But "politicians ruining it" seemss a more valid complaint than "human nature is rotten".
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Red-Lantern
4 months ago
The very same idealized structure you posit relies on people to operate. If you can't change human behavior under idealized circumstances then you can't have an ideal government.
In other words. Perfect govt needs perfect people. Perfect people have no need of govt.
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AntonioOfVenice
4 months ago
> The very same idealized structure you posit relies on people to operate.
If you noticed, I talked specifically about institutions that incentivize certain behavior (culture does too but it is even less malleable). If we could create institutions that operate like the 'invisible hand' in the market, things would improve, but of course, we won't. What we need to do is to improve them at the margins.
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