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Kevin Pham - @_Kevin_Pham
3 weeks ago
RT @handcashapp: HandCash: transition to Bitcoin SV
Read the full official statement:
https://t.co/DoLBitR22u https://t.co/tDDkpLcnmp
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Ryan X. Charles - @ryanxcharles
3 weeks ago
Great news, HandCash! https://t.co/KzbQseCueH
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WalterRothbard
3 weeks ago
Some of us were sounding the alarm about patents from the beginning. Many of your open source and free software heroes who built the infrastructure you are using today have been sounding this alarm since before Bitcoin existed - since before some of us were born.
In particular /u/deadalnix commented a long, long time ago that the ways nChain was proposing to use their patents did not meet the open source and free software definitions, and that this was IMPORTANT, not just some idealistic crusade.
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AdministrativeTrain
3 weeks ago
Imagine when your entire business model is being Craig Wright's bitch?
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theSentryandtheVoid
Redditor for less than 60 days 3 weeks ago
Will they be more broke if they get sued by CSW, or if SV goes to $0?
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CryptoVandal
3 weeks ago
HandCash is a nice looking wallet. Glad to be able to use it for SV. I'll keep Bitcoin.com for ABC.
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Eirenarch
3 weeks ago
Well if they have a business deal with nChain then a deal is a deal. I respect that. At least he's honest.
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libertarian0x0
Redditor for less than 6 months 3 weeks ago
"Keeping Bitcoin legal": 100% BSV narrative to allow blacklisting and censorship.
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TulipTradingSatoshi
3 weeks ago
Called it. Extra, Apagut answered to my post and we had a little chat. Enjoy:
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/9xzsb0/warning_to_bch_community/ea1hw1a/?context=3
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stale2000
3 weeks ago
Will you look at that. *Another* company that never really believed in "Nakamoto Consensus" or "hashpower" to begin with, and was just pretending they did because they incorrectly believed that their side would win. And when their side lost, we learned that they never really cared about those ideals to begin with.
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AmIHigh
3 weeks ago
The patents say they need to be used on the Bitcoin Cash blockchain , what's the problem?
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WeaponizedMath
3 weeks ago
If there is enough interest the community should just release an open source competitor to everything you do
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LayingWaste
3 weeks ago
the thing is... everyone here seems to twist the tone of this. It is not that they feel their siding with SV is incorrect... or forced. this simply says the technology is not worth giving up. because thats a choice of theirs as well....
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mtrycz
3 weeks ago
Any SV supporter now please convince me that this is better than permissionless innovation.
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bill_mcgonigle
3 weeks ago
It's permissionless ... unless you cross Fauxtoshi then he call the cops on you. Just like the real SN. :rolleyes:
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mcmuncaster
3 weeks ago
I'm furiously trying to import my private keys into a different wallet...kind of useless to have coins in a wallet that is allying with a useless alt
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BitcoinIsTehFuture
Moderator - Bitcoin Cash! 3 weeks ago
If they hadn't received money from nChain they wouldn't be building on SV. So, money was the motivating factor. Kind of amazing they ignore the fact that the chain they're building on is a dead ghost town.
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themadscientistt
3 weeks ago
>that the chain they're building on is a dead ghost town.
Yup. Maybe they are waiting for the chain to finally die, so they can start anew with no strings attached. Of course they could never say this publicly.
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BitcoinIsTehFuture
Moderator - Bitcoin Cash! 3 weeks ago
>Rayn X Charles has certainly dropped hints that is what he wants.
Where at? Could you share a specific link or time segment of a video?
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phillipsjk
3 weeks ago
EDit Oops, answered wrong question.
https://twitter.com/ryanxcharles/status/1063924723963195392
> Thank you for your incredible work, ABC. Your goal now is to wipe out SV. Nothing less.
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phillipsjk
3 weeks ago
It was informed by this exchange:
https://old.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/9y0xxa/ryan_x_charles_going_with_sv/e9xv8ob/?context=3
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BitcoinIsTehFuture
Moderator - Bitcoin Cash! 3 weeks ago
He is like Jekyll and Hyde with his changing opinions:
>ABC is the exact opposite of "stable and agreed upon"
and then
>I hope ABC wins the hash-war.
I don't know what to make of it.
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jonas_h
3 weeks ago
The unified coin proposal that many services (including ours) decided to follow has not worked as expected - hence the errors you might have experienced when sending and receiving transactions in the vast majority of the ecosystem.
No fucking way! The ABC cultists couldn't be right! \s
In all seriousness a ton of people here called this out. It was obvious from the start.
The pro-ABC ruleset side did not work in a predictable and reliable manner during this upgrade period, making all of our efforts for containing the split in the short term futile.
Trying to shift the blame on someone else instead of their own lack of foresight and ability to listen to others.
Honest Hash
Like renting hash from nicehash?
HashWar is not over yet: It could take weeks or months, but based on hashpower and economic incentives, the SV ruleset is most probably going to be the imposed ruleset for BCH in the end, and we do not wish to change chains again. There is no technical indicator that points to another possible result.
Like the case with your "unified coin" eh?
We are building and plan to build incredible tools and apps for our customers, and these patents give us a huge competitive advantage.
Like what? A competitive advantage to steal their coins either through centralized handles routes or by having 2/3 SSSS parts?
We don’t care about the ticker and never did - we just want a reliable and stable network that scales - but we are very focused on simplicity and having different coins is not an option.
That's fair. Too bad you chose the network that actively discard scaling benefits.
The Bitcoin SV side is more aligned with us in terms of global adoption, keeping Bitcoin legal and innovating on top of the protocol - not messing with it and causing splits again and again.
Everything that's possible on the ABC chain is possible on SV. Including all illegal stuff.
You also can't scale without "messing with the protocol".
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ithanksatoshi
3 weeks ago
Can you give an example of a needed protocol change for scaling besides the obvious block-limit?
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jonas_h
3 weeks ago
Graphene. CTOR makes it much better for large blocks.
It's necessary to keep propagation delays low. If they're too high orphan rates increase and big miners become markedly more profitable than small miners decreasing miner decentralization.
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awemany
Bitcoin Cash Developer 3 weeks ago
Network protocol. Not validation rules. "Protocol" is ambiguous in this regard.
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ithanksatoshi
3 weeks ago
Really? The comments in [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/9ehll3/a_technical_dive_into_ctor) do not give me the impression that it is the only way or even a safe way to scale.
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jonas_h
3 weeks ago
I have no idea how you read the OP and that thread coming away with that impression.
No there are other ways which are all similar (yet none is proposed). But one is needed, CTOR is as good as any. It's also very simple.
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ithanksatoshi
3 weeks ago
Well, the reason I am hammering on about this is that the other side is doing 32Mb blocks sustained atm without network-protocol or bitcoin-protocol related changes and probably going +32Mb soon.
The narrative here, just a few weeks ago was we cannot go over 20Mb. Then there were a few 32Mb blocks and the next line was, "oh but we can not do it sustained". And here we are now, SV is doing it sustained without CTOR or other consensus sensitive changes.
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mushner
3 weeks ago
> SV is doing it sustained without CTOR or other consensus sensitive changes
Have you missed the thread about them orphaning their own blocks left and right? It's not doing anything except demonstrating to everybody exactly why bigger blocks are dangerous right now. ABC side was right once again, how many times now?
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ithanksatoshi
3 weeks ago
Well "left and right" is a bit of an exaggeration I would say, but indeed when you are stress testing you risk hitting bottlenecks. That is the idea. Just like the 64Mb block did not propagate very smoothly. Still, I have yet to encounter a bottleneck that cannot be fixed with better hardware and bandwidth.
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