RT @ARanganathan72: Oh my god. Indian scientists have just found HIV (AIDS) virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov virus that are not found in any other coronavirus. They hint at the possibility that this Chinese virus was designed ["not fortuitous']. Scary if true. https://t.co/h6xPX1gYvjhttps://t.co/kCpd1I00uE
RT @GlobalMacroZen: #Zerohedge reported this same story hours later? And got suspended for a story that was published before? Not Fair for free speech and a great information venue like twitter @zerohedge #freezerohedge https://t.co/UIXHGLrj5J
Xi Jinping personally bioengineered the virus to take down HK protests and also tried infecting his whole country to make it look less suspicious. There was one photo of a man wearing a blanket and I think 5 million HKers are already killed personally by Xi Jinping with his bare hands.
Think of a person making a phone call to a mall and saying “I left a bomb in one of the shops”. That would shut down the mall for a few hours
So, a country X that wants to temporarily harm China can release a not-so-deadly novel virus and cause enough economic harm.
Also, a warning — “Hey, next time, I can introduce a real killer.”
Just talking possibilities
Journalists, scientists, doctors.
They even published a long article right away attacking the paper!
One Indian scientist/journalist who tweeted the paper was forced to delete his tweet!
TBF HIV medicines are some of the strongest antiviral drugs out there so not exactly surprisingly that it works. Also a lot of the other HIV drugs are immune boosters which would also work here.
I think pointing fingers at a western bioattack is a little out there.
Again thats a pretty big claim to make. Im not a virologist i doubt you are either. If true forget the west chinese scientists wouldve picked up on it. And lets not forget india isnt exactly china's friend and its probably in their interest to stir up shit like this.
I am only pointing out to the paper that describes the role of the “inserts”:
🔹aligned sequences of HIV-1 with 2019-nCoV were derived from surface glycoprotein gp120 and Gag
🔹Gag protein of HIV is involved in *host membrane binding*
🔹Gp120 plays crucial role in *recognizing the host cell* by binding to the primary receptor CD4.
“all the 4 inserts have pI values of around 10 that may facilitate virus-host interactions.”
but it would boost the aids/hiv was engineered by scientists and used by the government to kill the undesirables theorists. I mean I'm not a virologist but is there hiv sequences in other viruses? if not that would kind of prove they're both engineered.
I posted in world news an article from 2006 that was about an HIV vaccine that was being made using the coronavirus.
It was my first post ever as I’m not computer savvy. I was told the article could get the world news sub Reddit quarantined. I had no idea.
Well, 'the' coronavirus doesn't really mean much since it's a broader group of viruses rather than some singular thing. A large percentage of common colds in humans are caused by various different coronaviruses, and I don't think anyone would be too shocked at disease researchers working with the flu.
SS: Can go two weeks without symptoms, enough to have traveled and be at home before showing signs. Cities of tens of millions quarantined. Now a paper showing evidence that the virus may have been tampered with.
To be more specific. They are saying the 2019-nCOV virus has spike proteins that are from HIV proteins.
If you take 2 lego pieces with different ends, you can't join them together. To join them you need a 3rd piece that can bind both ends. That third piece is the Spike protein and it's from the HIV protein.
This "is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature." Which is another way of saying, this shit was cooked up.
IF this board wasn't censoring posts that they don't like, you'd see my post and findings regarding engineered viruses.
Thx. This is interesting...can u send link to ur engineered viruses post u might hv posted elsewhere. Also how is that rest of world researchers r not seeing this...or r they deliberately being quite abt it
I believe other countries are becoming aware and as a result are closing their boarders to China. Noteworthy that this is the first boarder closing due to a pathogen in recent history. It didn’t happen for SARS, Ebola, SwineFlu etc. Singapore, Italy, US, Australia have closed their borders to Chinese passport holders. More countries will follow. Counties are just not announcing the justification as to why they are doing it, other than to ‘protect our community’. The reality is that it’s a reasonable response given that it is very likely China literally created this outbreak.
A study done by the scientists mapping the 2019-nCoV to the previous SARS virus, commenting that the type of evolution from that virus to the present is not natural and comment about a HIV virus having similarity with the new developments in the 2019-nCoV virus.
As others have pointed out: this paper is a preprint and not peer-reviewed yet (!) Take the information with a grain of salt and don't jump to conclusions.
This paper makes some very serious claims about the virus being engineered. No internationally recognized health or media organization has supported these claims as of this comment. Discussion of this topic will continue here, where we can better organize information.
Thanks for flagging this, interesting read. Far be it for me to break up a good conspiracy theory, but my interpretation of this is a little more reserved:
For reference gp120 is an HIV vaccine target, therefore assuming it was engineered, it could equally have been part of a vaccine program that really went off the reservation.
Gp120 is on the outside of HIV and quite unstable.
The paper really relies on some extremely small stretches of similarity, and I would want to see some more work done to firm this up - what else is similar? I bet quite a lot.*
Therefore, if we assume everything is as the paper suggests, there are other potential explanations than "bioweapon gone wrong". As I am not a virologist, I do not know the plausibility, but what about coinfection? Someone with HIV gets the coronavirus from the market. The coronavirus infects the lungs, and HIV infects immune cells. Not sure how close they would interact in this situation, but it certainly is as plausible as bioweapon to me at this time.
I would also strongly suggest this isn't an intentional release of an intentional bioweapon. If it is, this would be levels of incompetence not seen since Chernobyl.
*I was too curious and did a quick BLAST search with the first insert. Came back with 100 different matches, including malaria and fruitflies.
Although, there are some hits against HIV, there are also equally matching hits against bacteriophages; viruses that only target bacterias, they are completely unrelated to any viruses that target humans and animals.
Furthermore, the E value is around 170, that means that matches are statistically completely insignificant, meaning they happened by chance only. Such a high E value corresponds to a p-value of very, very close to 1 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/BLAST/tutorial/Altschul-1.html).
These guys that published such a paper are either completely clueless or nefarious in trying to stir up conspiracy theories.
This looks like a whole lot of rubbish to me. They're excited they managed to get blast hits for these short inserts.
But in the spirit of open-mindedness, what do I need to be convinced this is even interesting? First I want to see where on gp120 these inserts align to. Are they receptor/carbohydrate binding regions? Where do they map to on the coronavirus? These structures are known, so I don't know why this isn't in this manuscript.
If somehow this is engineered, I am honestly impressed that someone could take features from one protein and estimate how to engineer those same features in another protein altogether, with little homology. It's like engineering a monkey tail onto an elephant and somehow getting the elephant to swing through the trees.
I'm not saying I believe the conspiracies, but it would be a pretty scary future if a totalitarian nation decided to quietly immunize their population (or just a selected elite) from a pathogen designed by themselves, and if push comes to shove you have a bioweapon that will do the job for you, which you know the people you care about can't contract. It's like a smart nuke.
"For non-scientists, if you see something posted from a site called BioRxiv, have some skepticism. It could be a fantastic paper! (I've used it!)--but. The site is for preprints, which means they haven't undergone peer review yet."
If this is an engineered virus, why as a race do we keep doing these things to ourselves? Do we _really_ think that weapons of mass destruction won't be turned on us? Is our hubris so high that we think no one else can replicate what we built?
to someone who doesn’t know anything about the relevant science (me) the use of the word “insertions” seems to imply this was engineered. Can someone who actually understands this explain what this document is saying?
Not only that, but just last year there was a case of a Chinese scientist who was banished from a Canadian bio lab level 4 for stealing virus samples, as well as a Harvard Academic found to be taking money from the Chinese gov to help develop the lab in Wuhan.
None of this proves the lab theory, but I do believe that with enough genetic analysis the truth will come out.
I generally agree with the folks who flagged this posting on HN (I didn't though) because the thought of ... airborne, highly contagious HIV in an early phase pandemic ... is a really very un-HN-like thought ... the mere theoretical possibility it could be true is the sort of thing I'd hope might inspire a generation to make our leaders globally take a time out on heated rhetoric and the ongoing technological arms race.
My dose of speculation. So far we have strong evidence that this is a biolab virus, probably they were experimenting with this virus on animals the lab personal didn't realize on time how easy this virus could be transmitted by air, probably they were using the public transport from home to work during the incubation period thats how it boomed all of a sudden.