Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf exclusively told Fox News' "Tucker Carlson Tonight" Wednesday that DHS was immediately suspending Global Entry and other Trusted Traveler Programs (TTP) for all New York state residents -- a dramatic move in response to the liberal state's recently enacted sanctuary "Green Light Law."
This is extremely dumb. Drivers licenses (non-enhanced at least) are simply identification documents, not proof of citizenship. I would assume you'd need to still prove citizenship to participate in one of these programs, so I don't see how an undocumented person (or any other non-citizen) having a drivers license impacts this in any way.
I mean, they probably do background checks for other, non-driving related crimes, so I assume a DWI would show up on those checks as well, making any DMV information redundant. The logic just seems incredibly thin.
I got approved in November, and planned to to it when I was in Atlanta on my mileage run, Atlanta didn't have any appointments until the end of February. For some reason MIA has appointments available literally every day, so I just drove there.
Very strange indeed. I’m sure that’s what they’ll say too. They probably have a back log of applicants that need an extra check or something like that, that the computer can’t check and an actual employee has to look over.
Here is the part you missed I bolded it for you.
" New York law prohibited state DMVs from sharing **criminal records** with Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). "
Now read the first sentence of [disqualification and revocation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Entry)
Global Entry is a program of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection service that allows pre-approved, low-risk travelers to receive expedited clearance through automatic kiosks at select airports upon arrival into the United States. As of May 4th, 2018, Global Entry was available at 53 US airports and 15 preclearance locations. More than 5 million people are enrolled in Global Entry and approximately 50,000 new applications for the program are filed monthly.
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Btw didn't mean to come off hostile, just tryna figure out this situation.
We got the shaft dude. What's bs is that I can prove citizenship with my birth certificate and passport tho?
I wonder what will happen, maybe something will over turn?
Not all crimes are [federal](https://clarifacts.com/resources/federal-crimes-list/)(assault without a weapon/petty theft) and for global entry any crime could make you ineligible. Someone pointed out to me that state crimes are open to the general public so the only thing i can think of that the DMV has would be DUI/OWI and unpaid tickets.
Then for nexus they need to be able to verify VIN and associated license plates.
odd. Maybe it's because of the location. My is JFK. They called my spouse to let her know the interview is canceled, later I called that phone number and a guy on the phone confirmed as well and told he already called my spouse. He told "let it settle down and we'll reschedule later".
Mine is also JFK.
Yeah i spoke with someone at the front, she just said theyre cancelled for today and tomorrow. Prolly confused as much as we are, I'll assume theyre cancelled until further notice i guess.
I wish there was a megathread for this tbh. I think this is important, especially when foreign nationals(Columbia, Panama, Mexico, Germany, etc) can apply but NY cant.
This is only the first step. The next step is changing insurance regulations for NYS licensees, possible retribution by other states, removal of funds for infrastructure, etc.
I don't hate immigrants, I'm not heartless, and I'm only racist when it comes to falafel (suck it, Lebanon). This law is a very bad law that was very poorly thought out and needs to be repealed as soon as possible before the consequences spiral out of control.
None of that is an issue.
Insurance is regulated at the state level so that won't happen.
I don't I'm even know what "retribution from other states" means.
And infrastructure funds are tied to complex formula and until a new infra bill passes (certainly not 2020) the formula won't change either.
You've articulated no credible objections to the law, just nonsense theories.
The states exist in a consortium with regards to certain things (like points on licenses, information sharing, etc), not all of which are regulated at the federal level. In addition, out of state coverage in New York or liability of New York drivers in other states is not federally regulated.
Most infrastructure funds are not tied to specific funding bills, but rather the federal budget.
You shouldn't be so dismissive, even on the Internet.
You're still being divisive and needlessly dismissive. It's unnecessarily rude. We're both smart Buffalonians who are civically minded.
Trump's action could motivate conservative states who do not have laws similar to this on their books to change how the liability insurance of their license holders interacts with New York liability insurance. Now, this could turn into a Mexican standoff, and it would be a stupid idea, but Ohio and West Virginia (where lots of commercial vehicles are plated) have plenty of stupid ideas.
Trump could also withhold highway funding to the state. He would almost with 100% certainty lose that case in court, it would probably be a BS abuse of power, but in the meantime it would cause a lot of consternation for New York.
This is the internet. I've not called you names, stop whining about my tone.
If other states tried to punish NY they would lose in federal court per the interstate commerce clause.
I suppose Trump could *try* to withhold highway funding but he'd immediately be enjoined from doing so by the courts and thus there would be little consternation.
Again and for the last time, you've conceived of impossible hypotheticals to argue against a law that in other states, has demonstrated public safety and budget effects.
You say you're a smart, civic minded person yet the arguments you keep making suggest otherwise.
> I've not called you names, stop whining about my tone.
> You say you're a smart, civic minded person yet the arguments you keep making suggest otherwise.
You clearly can't communicate with someone you disagree with without insulting them.
Quit making stupid arguments and people won't say you make stupid arguments.
And that's not insulting you, as sensitive as you seem, it's insulting the nonsense claims you're making.
But mostly, stop whining about someone on the internet being a little mean.
I'm trying to encourage you to be a more mature and less abrasive person. Instead you're digging in your heels, and that's fine, but it's going to make people universally less inclined to interact with you.
No what's you've done is defect from the actual discussion to lecture me about my tone and maturity ironically in a more superior and condescending way than I did you.
> it's going to make people universally less inclined to interact with you.
What a smarmy thing write. I'm sorry you're so upset that you made bad points that you needed to make this about me.
Sorry to be cynical, but this is going to hit NY'ers where it "hurts" :-/ (we new-yorkers love to travel and love convenience). I wonder how many have already started calling the governor and their reps to push for a change...
Curious about people conditionally approved and waiting for their interview (like myself). When I tried to do enrollment on arrival at JFK just last week, after waiting in line post 8-hour flight I was told the system was down...
Looking at your posting history it is pretty obvious where your political leanings are which explains you comment.
Can you explain why this is "ridiculous and completely unjustified" for DHS to restrict GE applications to those in NY because NY will not allow access to certain databases?
No you can not.
> This is ridiculous and completely unjustified.
Undocumented persons do not get on airplanes.
This is about being able to to verify the identities of people that do fly on airplanes.
That their ID is valid.
Its not 'Disgusting' and should not be too hard to understand.
Am I wrong?
There are a lot of requirements for GE. Some of which are adjudicated through DL information (citizenship, criminal records). NY won’t share information with any immigration service which is who helps adjudicate the requirements.
This is not an issue for any of the 10 other states with similar laws, because DHS does not need this kind of access. Because of REAL ID, the federal government already has access to all of the information that they would otherwise get through the DMV.
It’s not really petty where there is a totally real concern that DHS would abuse its access to NYS’s database to prosecute individuals without legal status.
That's what I thought too. Go to minute 2:43 of this video for an explanation of how it's tied together.
It is, but the Drivers licenses are not the reason. The NY DMV has criminal information and driving records that DHS wants to determine eligibility.
The reason Nexus(Canada border) is barred is again not the Drivers licenses but access to Vehicles identification numbers and license plate numbers.
I read at issue is DHS access to DMV records during a background check- like DUI. Not whether you have a valid license or as used a license as a form of id ~ but rather they want visibility to your DMV profile and history as a part of the checks. Thank goodness I have 4 years until my renewal! At least until they announce all NY’ers will be removed (which sounds like a colossal expense)
That's the main issue.
Our DMV is not providing CBP with access for the information.
You can have a DUI removed from your criminal record, but it would still be on your driver record. You can have your license suspended in NY if you owe them more than $10k in back taxes. They compare personal information on from your driver record to your application.
California lays out a lot of detail as to what it shares with DHS: [https://www.nilc.org/issues/immigration-enforcement/how-calif-dl-records-shared-with-dhs/](https://www.nilc.org/issues/immigration-enforcement/how-calif-dl-records-shared-with-dhs/)
The DHS already has access to multiple richer data sources than the DMV DB(ie Palantir. The DMV data is just one data source out of dozens utilized, like they even have datasources for things like expunged\\sealed juvenile arrest records before the 1970s, and for years folks without driving records or licenses were issued Global Entry.
You don't need a driving record for global entry, but CBP has the right to confirm the existence, or lack thereof, of your driving record.
NY DMV broke precedence and is the only state not complying with providing their DMV data.
That link is really helpful - thanks for sharing it. A lot of the PII stuff is already required for your passport application (height, weight, eye color, etc) but the DMV being the holder of exclusive criminal background info is wild.
TSA Pre-Check is not affected. Global Pre-Check (expedited clearing through Customs) is.
Our DMV is not complying with DHS information requests used for the background checking process with Global Pre-check.
Glad to know you don’t eat people only because it’s against the law. You completely missed the point and didn’t answer any of my questions. The point is what is legal and illegal and what is moral and immoral are not always the same thing. You lack empathy and clearly have no experience with immigrant or poverty stricken populations.
As a person who went through the long and lawful immigration process and a taxpayer I can't be down with people who just sneaked into the country to have a better life on my expense. What they are doing is immoral, yay.