Wonderful news...Potentially millions of vaccine shots available by September!! Way earlier than expected. No guarantees but already 100% successful on monkeys with single shot.
Antibodies do provide IMMUNITY for #COVID19. WHO was wrong again.
Not for nothing, but if there's a working vaccine that early, on the first try, MAN will that give rise to a slew of conspiracy theories that the virus was released to manipulate the global economy, repress the citizenry, and generate $$$ for biotech firms.
Guys. Stop wasting your time tracking these vaccines. NOBODY absolutely NOBODY can give you a timeline for when this will be available. This shit may not even be the vaccine we use. I get that eventually we will have one, but everyone needs to cut out the optimism and start lowering their expectations or this year will drive you mad. One day at a time right now, let's stop pretending like anyone knows what lies down the road this year. Clearly nobody knows.
The majority of people use delusion as a coping mechanism, and it's going to kill them. They simply cant accept that reality has a lot of misery that needs to be accepted and dealt with.
When I try to tell my parents and friends that once things reopen it will just come back they go off into dreamland and talk about contact tracing and "being careful". I think they're sociopaths, but at least the "die for the economy" people aren't this deluded.
If restaurants and shit open again people will die. Stay the fuck home.
And no I'm not arguing to close essential industries that supply food and power, but we can survive a year or two without eating out, getting wasted in bars and going to the movies. Or I guess you could just roll a d20 and hope you aren't the one getting a casket or permanent lung damage....
> And no I'm not arguing to close essential industries that supply food and power, but we can survive a year or two without eating out, getting wasted in bars and going to the movies. Or I guess you could just roll a d20 and hope you aren't the one getting a casket or permanent lung damage....
There's a lot in between essentials and the kind of frivolity you describe
Not enough people have hardship in their lives. This is their first taste and they're breaking down after a month and a half. People need to toughen the fuck up. This thing isn't even bad yet. This is the beginning.
Too soon. Everyone said one month ago "hey, that's gonna take a year, minimum" and now it's "hey, we're gonna need four months and we're done" ? Something's fishy here. A year for a vaccine is already fast - it takes years in normal conditions, considering everything that hass to be done to complete one - but now it's four months ? Either they are uber geniuses, or they are rushing it to dangerous speeds. My money is on the latter.
Vaccines are very hard. No coronavirus vaccines currently exist for any type of coronavirus, whether SARS or the common cold. I doubt that trying to speedrun vaccine development by cutting a bunch of corners is gonna be the recipe for success.
They all are like that. The hope is that it covers most of the strains that are circulating now and in the future. Even if it’s only 50% effective it’s still very useful for stopping the spread as long as enough people get a vaccine.
If will be effective against all strains of the novel coronavirus, that's the current research as it seems to mutate slowly and most if not all the vaccine are targeting the spike protein, common to all strains of the virus.
Whether it will be effective or not against other human coronavirus remains to be seen. It might offer some protection but complete immunity might not be possible.
As of right now, no vaccines exist [for any Coronavirus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus?wprov=sfla1). I can't imagine the first vaccine would be that generalized.
Keep in mind SARS and MERS are also caused by different coronaviruses, meaning people have been working on vaccines for those as well for some time. The article is only about [SARS-CoV2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_disease_2019?wprov=sfla1), which causes Covid-19.
Come on.. straight up nobody has given a shit about these in quite some time. With the resource push behind this we have a much better chance with this than either of them. I think confidence around development for this is fairly high. Give it time.
People stopped working on SARS and MERS as soon as they stopped being relevant, and neither were as wide spread as COVID-19. To say they’ve been working on vaccines for them for “some time” is the equivalent to me saying I’ve been working on my Christmas lights for some time, but realistically I stopped once Christmas was over.
There's an article that references an antiviral breakthrough for treating SARS, MERS, and other Coronavirus diseases. They made the breakthrough in January of 2019, right when Covid-19 was underway. But if you think that means they hadn't been working on it for some time, then I don't know what to tell you.
If you or others know, are work still being done on other viruses and diseases, or are pretty much everyone who can working on solving CoV2?
Articles about “we’re close to solving whatever” usually reads as a call for funding, but I don’t know if it’s different in a crisis situation like this.
They are not cutting corners. They got lucky in that they had already done human safety testing on a coronavirus vaccine last year, and this vaccine for COVID-19 is similar enough that they can consider that first step done. The article only mentions monkeys because recent results show 100% effectiveness for them. So they have a vaccine that has already passed for human safety and shows very promising results for effectiveness.
Pasteur Institute in Paris has stated that human trials cannot be contracted shorter than a year. That's the only incompressible phase of a vaccine development. They plan to start those in July which means vaccine probably ready for mass use in september 2021.
That would be awesome if it all goes through by then. Two months before U.S. elections, if they could get it mass produced by then.
Edit: Elections draw mass crowds all across the country–in every single country. I don't know why people think the timing of the vaccine and a major upcoming election isn't worth mentioning. In fact, it's a gigantic elephant in the room.
I'm cautiously optimistic about this, but even if it is in production by late September, it will still take several months to make enough to innoculate everyone. Best case scenario you and I will be vaccinated by this time next year.
>...even if it is in production by late September...
September is their timeline for having a few million doses ready. FTA:
>The Oxford scientists now say that with an emergency approval from regulators, **the first few million doses of their vaccine could be available by September...**
So it would seem they’re getting a head start on production while testing, or that they already have the capability to churn out a large number of tests as soon as it gets approved (if it gets approved).
While a few million obviously isn’t enough, it’s not like they’re going to have 0 vaccines come September (according to their stated plans).
I heard India is ramping up production of this vaccine as well, which they say will give around 50 million doses by September as well. A mass trail assuming the phase 2/3 results are solid and there is reason to believe they will be, could begin in September with production amped up to give around a billion doses by year's end. Certainly doable.
I assume you're talking about the politicians who oppose vote by mail and early voting. They seem to be opposing it even more strongly now that there's a pandemic on and we need to avoid long polling lines more than ever.
Yes, those people have ballast for brains.
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This is the same Vaccine that's being backed by India's largest vaccine maker and which said they can have 40 million doses ready by October pending approval for usage.
Edit: it's called the National Serum Institute (Poonawala group).
Britain said they would want to produce 3 million units of i think it was this vaccine by September, we'll see how it pans out but going ahead this fast with such good results so early does sound pretty good..
I saw a video on it earlier, they aren't approved yet but are taking a gamble on it expecting it to be what we need and making the doses prior to approval. This way if it works the way they expect and is approved the bet pays off.
But the team has not yet reached an agreement with a North American manufacturer, in part because the major pharmaceutical companies there typically demand exclusive worldwide rights before investing in a potential medicine.
“I personally don’t believe that in a time of pandemic there should be exclusive licenses,” Professor Hill said. “So we are asking a lot of them. Nobody is going to make a lot of money off this.”
Instead of exclusive licensing why doesn't the US federal govt (Medicare) just guarantee a flat reasonable reimbursement for an effective vaccine? Taking into account production costs + some set %age of profit. I would think this would provide sufficient incentive for the manufacturers. But maybe not enough for the shareholders.