If ISPAUK calls @Mozilla a villain for this security feature, just wait until they see what decentralized identity has in store. Decentralized identity will shroud our exchanges in a veil of darkness, restoring to us the rights declared in the 4th Amend. Contra omnes principes! https://t.co/hjXnV4IRp1
Mozilla fell in my estimation when they ousted Brendan Eich from his own company for being pro-life on his own time. And now if you try to use Bing, they tell you it's unsafe or a virus or somesuch, I forget how they put it.
I've got to say, the reason behind Mozilla's is introduction on the villains list doesn't make me think Mozilla is a villain at all. Getting around the UK's parental control system is hardly villainous
Can we distribute a way of showing disdain for the 'ISP association'? Really though. Mozilla is more evil than Donald Trump? Granted I don't hate the guy(I have my personal opinion of him) but I did Nazi Mozilla being worse than 'Hitler'.
The issue is removing control from people setting where their DNS goes. Once you could set the DNS for your system and know that’s where your queries (and therefore browsing data) went. Now you have apps that will ignore what the network settings or local PC settings say, and send your private browsing data without your knowledge to a third party.
I use Firefox all the time, I value my privacy and *do not* want to tell Cloudflare every site that I visit.
There is also the issue of centralization:
Still though it’s a bit much calling them an “Internet Villin”. Mozilla has been a champion of open and free internet and even if I disagree on this one I can see why they want to bring it in. Encrypting the DNS is a good thing, even if I feel their approach is flawed.
>The issue is removing control from people ...
>There is also the issue of centralization ...
Uh, no. The issue that earned them a nomination for a "Villain" award was clearly stated in the article, and it's neither of those. It's about UK government censorship.
And if you're going to say that an optional feature in Firefox gives me less control over my system, you should probably back that up with some actual facts, besides "censorship is OK when I agree with it."
I’m just outlining the negatives of this move.
The issue is definitely the same. Mozilla is taking the control of DNS away from network and end system admins. Sure the ISPs are using the current control they have to comply with the censorship rules, but the issue is the same as I outlined.
And don’t tell me the little bar with “ok I got it” represents a real *choice* for the average user (who doesn’t know what DNS is.)
It says in the link that Mozilla was nominated "for their proposed approach to introduce DNS-over-HTTPS in such a way as to bypass UK filtering obligations and parental controls, undermining internet safety standards in the UK".
ISP Association makes a controversial move, gets publicity.
Mozilla gets a controversial nomination, also gets a bit of publicity.
News outlets have a bit more to write about.
In a cynical way, it's a win-win situation.
It also somehow resembles me a move by a n acquaintance of mine, a professor, who wrote to his students something like: "We recommend to use [this list of expensive textbooks]; the use of free textbooks available at [list of URLs] is not officially endorsed." Because, you know, want to let the students know about the free textbooks, but can't do so in a positive way.
Wait till Google pushes the Chrome update that includes the UI for enabling DoH. Google Chrome already supports DNS over HTTPS (just the UI is not available on non-mobile) and they're working on eSNI.
Noob question, if I may. I have Cloudflare's 18.104.22.168 enabled on my devices via each device's own network settings. How does enabling Firefox's "Enable DNS over HTTPS" at browser level factor into things? Is one ignored or conflicted?
Firefox's Cloudflare DNS Resolver* collects less data than 22.214.171.124. Would be nice to use Firefox's Resolver at system level, heh.
At the risk of sounding a bit sensationalistic, I think any org that calls Mozilla an "Internet Villain" just instantly loses any credibility to discern the hero/villain status of any other organization in the future :P