You’re aware the nsa tapped Merkel‘s phone too, the official statement was, no we didn’t (no spying among friends).
Does that mean you can’t trust Americans? Maybe. But the truth is every country has it’s secrets and intelligent services which developed it‘s own agenda, probably next to unknowing politics of the country. They use the incoming informations but don’t question it’s origin.
No need to accuse a whole religion for it.
The us did the exact same thing. They said exact same thing. And for sure they both lie.
Can you trust Americans? I would say in the same amount like the us can trust Israel.
We live in in a day and age intelligence agency’s try to tap everything possible, it would be counter intuitive if they didn’t and „trust“ someone.
And for real do you really think the us doesn’t spy on Israel? Do you think they could trust the US?
you arent answering. perhaps you are afraid of being accused of anti-antisemitism.
i am not asking if the US did the same thing. i wasnt asking if you can trust the US. i wasnt asking if the US lies.
you are avoiding the questions i asked. thats fine. you are not required to have the confidence to say things that you believe but might get you accused of bigotry. thats interesting.
Your question is a fucking dumb question, because you are a fucking dumb person. Everyone spies on everyone. Falling for anti-Semitic tropes (the 'sneaky jew' shit is straight 8chan galaxy brain territory) distracts you from the actual concern: how do we protect ourselves from adversarial spying, if the dumb motherfucking President will dismiss spying for political gain.
In other words, you are just another useful idiot. Congratulations.
hey man you dont have to be afraid. you can admit the jews spy on us. i know politics these days is about performative piety, and you cant say things on the restricted list. you dont have to be afraid. truth is all the defense you need.
I'm happy to admit *Israel* spies on us. I don't give a shit about the religious background. Or do you go around saying Muslims and Christians spy on us?
You seem to focus way too much on that. Again, useful idiot.
You started your comment with „you can’t trust the Jews“ oldsurehand pointed out the clear anti semitism in this statement. You didn’t accused Israel but the „Jews“.
I pointed out that the country you live in did the exact same thing with the same excuse.
But you want that I agree on you that we can’t trust the Jews.
I think I made my point. Intelligence agencies spy on other countries , that their job to ensure the supremacy of your country.
Yeah indeed I think it is damnable but we live in capitalism so it’s existential, that’s the reason all countries have intelligence agencies that try to outsmart each other, and have IT Defence.
I think not that Israel or the Jews are a solitary case and you’re fuckt if you trust them. They are like every other country. Maybe way more clever than others.
if there is anti-semitism for saying we cant trust them, is there also anti-X in your statement about not trusting the other folks you mentioned for spying?
if my country does the exact same thing, and cannot be trusted, then are we not talking about two groups who cannot be trusted, and you agree with my original point?
you just avoid the question with whataboutism. of course i know you cant trust the americans! you cant trust any people with the means to spy, inclusding the jews and their nation, israel. but i wasnt talking about the americans, or the brits, or the french, none of whom can be trusted. i was talking about the group you are scared to discuss honestly. seems anti-semitic to treat them by a lower standard, where we cannot speak the truth about them.
seems like you are pretty eager to list groups you cant trust, but not the folks i originally mentioned. thats what is so interesting.
why is it when i ask you if you can trust group X, you dont answer, but list other groups you cannot trust?
Let’s put it this way before I go to bed: you can’t trust humans in power.
Their goal is to ensure the wellbeing of your country. So they fuck all others, friends and enemies.
This includes Israel politicians,not Jews in general (and that’s the whole point of our argument) and every other country including yours and mine, but not you can’t trust Christians.
I completely agree, this should be publicized, what I meant was nobody is reporting the long history of previous attempts, like Jonathan Pollard. They’re printing Netanyahu’s denial without fact checking it.