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@ferrisjabr has this incredible new story in @WIRED on why widespread mask wearing is an essential public health measure. He writes, "The collective evidence makes a strong case for universal mask wearing during a pandemic."
@wpegden/a-call-to-honesty-in-pandemic-modeling-5c156686a64b">If your package of restrictive policies only manages to "slow down" the growth, it saves virtually no lives I can understand the logics of this argumentation, but once health care system gets overwhelmed by number of infections so that it refrains to "socialized medicine", then even slowing the infection rate may save lives substantially.
The memo: every logic can be only as good as good and complete are its premises.
Doctors Say Hospitals Are Stopping Them From Wearing Masksadministrators told her if she wore her own N95 mask, others would want to wear the masks as well and the hospital didn't have enough And they haven't enough of masks because of high infection rate because of lack of them: positive feedback look of time reversed causality, LOL...
I guess that high mortality of Covid-19 in Italy between elderly was induced just by doctors who infected them in hospitals (and by application of "socialized medicine" later) due to lack of protective resources.
When you look at photos of Americans during the 1918 influenza pandemic, one feature stands out above all else: masks
Yet they still died out in much higher numbers (675,000 occurring in just the United States) than today (6,000 deaths). They died out mostly of pneumonia induced by bacteria, which the wet masks would help to spread instead. But H1N1 virus of Spanish flu is quite different from coronavirus genetically and it induces pneumonia on its very own, so that these objections may not be directly transferable to Covid-19.
Hospitals can only get masks from authorized distributors. There have been reports nationally that masks donated to hospitals have either been turned away or put in a locked cabinet and deemed unacceptable for use. There are sanitary and substandard source concerns that are valid. If you want to donate you should give it directly to the medical professional. They can distribute it as needed.
That being said the random joes you see can get the masks from other sources that hospitals/police are not authorized to purchase from. It does not Impact the supply lines going toward official use. The random joes also have the right to protect themselves and their families while helping to prevent the spread of the virus who’s shopping for groceries.
Stigmatizing mask users helps nothing. If you look now there are more and more. In Asian countries especially national use of masks are credited as helpful in curbing the spread. They are baffled at Europeans and Americans general disdain with the use of masks.
You also forgot how we literally burnt down square blocks to eradicate the spanish flu. Burning shit also works. I'm not against general mask usage but not at the expense of health care providers, first responders, front liners.
They have been scientifically tested as 90%+ effective at blocking aerosol (in the air) virus particles, and use a disposable filter of 2 sheets of kitchen roll or 4ply tissue.
They are especially effective because of their ability to provide a good fit around the face - this is achieved by using 2 cords/ ties around the head instead of elastic straps around the ears, and also the wire at the nose, which can be fitted to the nose to provide an airtight fit.
Again, better not to focus on the % efficacy because the site doesn't reference any published study report that can be used to validate this claim. If you are aware of any, then please share the reference. However, it uses three layers of material and so is surely much better than a single layer household fabric mask which too provides around 50% as much protection as a three layer commerical surgical mask. thanks!
- CDC, BBC news, other well-accredited websites and sources: No need to wear a mask unless you're sick or have been in close contact with someone who is/was sick. Masks are only intended for healthcare providers or for sick people, because they make it much harder to spray droplets and infect others.
- Other websites: Well actually the CDC is reconsidering it, as of late March / early April, and here's some other equally official-sounding information that says you should wear a mask at all times while outside.
This is idiotic. Now anytime I go outside I'm going to feel paranoid if I don't wear a mask, nor did I stock up on Masks until now because I was certain that the CDC was right. I'm still unconvinced they were wrong in any case, because of course this thread, and Wired, are yet another example of "X person said masks are necessary" versus "Y person said masks aren't necessary unless you're sick".
Which group has more scientific studies on their side? From searching the literature, I found the "everyone wear masks" group to be the correct one. That was enough for me.
Also the fact that there are asymptomatic spreaders indicates that we can't assume we can identify and mask the sick, so the only option given substantial asymptomatic spreaders is to ensure that everyone wears masks. That said, even without that factor, the available information favors wearing masks broadly.
I do not leave the house without a mask, and I try not to leave the house except for an essential task (groceries). We are living during a respiratory infection pandemic. My area is hit hard and getting worse on a daily basis. I've accepted that life will be very abnormal for several months at a minimum.
I can't argue with how that's sensible; using the surgical mask isn't physically hurting you or anything.
The only question at this point is where to get surgical masks from, and is it doable for every American to buy a stack of masks so they can do groceries / handle basic needs outside their front door once every week or two.
I'm just mad at contradictory information out there from reputable experts. The *Center for Disease Control* says a thing, you expect to be able to take that to the bank.
Anyways now I'm just venting. Thank you for the advice / frank, calm statement of your assessment.
Nobody is disputing that. What's being disputed is if COVID is actually airborne or contact/dropplet. Because the WHO and the CDC are both classifying it as contact/dropplet and my hospital won't give us masks because of short supply.
This is bullshit. Most people aren't helped by wearing a mask. Maybe in a clinical environment used by people trained in their efficacy. They wear them wrong, it increases them touching their face, it gives them a false sense of safety, etc...
Just checked and OP is a shill. 11 year old account, 10k karma, started posting end of last year.
> Just checked and OP is a shill. 11 year old account, 10k karma, started posting end of last year.
What? How the hell does that make a shill? Also, you're wrong about at least three things in that statement.
First, no one would feasibly pay me to post what I post, from dozens of random sources about issues that appeal to or concern me personally. That makes no sense whatsoever.
Second, I've been posting for nearly a decade, in the 11+ I've been on reddit. Apparently, [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/cstek/the_wtf_moment_of_a_reporter/c0uzm2n/?utm_term=26173438079&utm_name=null&utm_content=timestamp&utm_source=embed&utm_medium=comment_embed&context=3) was my first post (or comment) on reddit 9+ years ago, according to snoopsnoo. Couldn't find my first post or submission, considering how frequently I post and how old my acct is, however if you look at [all of my posts](https://www.reddit.com/user/quantumcipher/posts/?sort=top) sorted by 'top' and by 'all time' you can see quite a few that are at least as old as [five years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/304f58/with_85_trillion_unaccounted_for_why_should/) and some at least as old as [six years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1yc2fj/if_medical_marijuana_laws_cause_a_surge_in/). Clearly, you are full of shit, and have no idea what you're talking about.
Additional stats, since I was curious about them as well:
I would, because they are not observing the physical distancing rules, which are in place to prevent infection, and proven to be effective. That they are close to me and I can potentially inhale droplets is how I would get sick, not through my eye.
Also spit is 100% gross, so I would mind, a lot.
Think critically and stop spreading misinformation. You're wrong. Get over it.
> You can make and wear HOMEMADE masks. Even homemade masks are AT LEAST half as effective as surgical masks. You should also learn proper handling of masks from instructional videos and guidelines available online.
> As regards efficacy, of the commonly available types, N95 masks are more effective than surgical three layer masks which are more effective than homemade cotton masks. N95 masks effectively filter out at least 95% of COVID-19 sized viral particles. A research study reported that household masks made from vaccum cleaner bags (86% filtering efficacy) are nearly as effective as surgical masks (90% filtering efficacy) in filtering out COVID-19 sized viruses. Other materials found in the study to provide good protection against virus sized particles are tea towels (73% filtering efficacy), cotton mix (70% filtering efficacy), antimicrobial pillowcases (69% filtering efficacy), linen (62% filtering efficacy), pillowcase (57% filtering efficacy), silk (54% filtering efficacy), 100% cotton t-shirts (51 % filtering efficacy) and scarves (49% filtering efficacy). It is important to note that the least effective homemade mask materials are also 50% as effective as surgical masks so even they provide some protection.
> Although vaccum cleaner bags are very effective, they drastically reduce air flow (to about half that of surgical masks) so you will have to make a lot effort while breathing. However, they should be comfortable enough for short trips to the shop for purchasing essentials. The key thing to remember is that it is best to spend as much time as possible inside your house, Go out only when it is absolutely necessary and then only for a short while.
> To reiterate, using a mask is always better than not using a mask provided you learn how to properly use a mask. But it is essential to also follow good hand hygiene measures and physical distancing guidelines, even when you are wearing a mask.
America will have a hard time with this. You get gawked at if you wear masks. When I went through the city I only say maybe 4 people with masks on. People will laugh or you'll get told "you're scaring the children".
I also know some people making homemade masks. So not everyone is selfish.
Was out yesterday out of 50 or more people I saw at bookers and on the drive home literally only a few staff at bookers with gloves and as for masks I saw literally two people wearing them, social distancing only at the check out although it was only 20 people in the store only some going out there way to avoid each other going around the shop.
Just a thought for those with FFP3 and other half face respirators... if they have exhale vents and only filter on inhale then they’re only protecting you, not others around you if you are asymptomatic. I’ve got an FFP3 half face mask with filter element that’s rated to 99.975% filtration but is also vented so would do nothing for those around me if I were carrying, which I could be and be blissfully unaware!
I completely agree however that ANY mask is better than no mask. I wonder why the government here in the UK are not really pushing the use of masks, surely if everyone had to wear some form of mask when out in public then we could return to normal much quicker? I’d happily wear a mask out, my wife and daughter are both classed as high risk and there is no way I’d put vanity over their well-being.
A very good point about masks with exhaust vents. Yes, masks with vents will not protect others if you are already infected so one should keep this in mind. You can try covering vented masks with cotton ones to reduce this risk however since one can't provide any scientific evidence to back up this statement, this is just a sensible suggestion.