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Source: governor.ny.gov ·
Recognizing that their states have one integrated regional economy, New York Governor Cuomo, New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy, Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont, Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf, Delaware Governor John Carney and Rhode Island Governor Gina Raimondo announced Massachusetts Governor
Vinay Gupta - @leashless
5 months ago
RT @balajis: The American Devolution appears underway, with regional coalitions forming to coordinate a response.
- West Coast: CA, OR, WA
- Northeast: NY, MA, NJ, CT, PA, DE, RI
- Midwest: MN, MI, OH, WI, IL, IN, KY
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lawson baker : 88发 babafa - @lwsnbaker
5 months ago
RT @balajis: The American Devolution appears underway, with regional coalitions forming to coordinate a response.
- West Coast: CA, OR, WA
- Northeast: NY, MA, NJ, CT, PA, DE, RI
- Midwest: MN, MI, OH, WI, IL, IN, KY
https://t.co/zbVK3GBOeV
https://t.co/uyuhAmwOh0
https://t.co/SHB5aAoNgX https://t.co/T032ovMzV4
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Balaji S. Srinivasan - @balajis
5 months ago
The American Devolution appears underway, with regional coalitions forming to coordinate a response.
- West Coast: CA, OR, WA
- Northeast: NY, MA, NJ, CT, PA, DE, RI
- Midwest: MN, MI, OH, WI, IL, IN, KY
https://t.co/zbVK3GBOeV
https://t.co/uyuhAmwOh0
https://t.co/SHB5aAoNgX https://t.co/T032ovMzV4
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someone_aaaabbbbcccc
5 months ago
While they are all working together why can't we stop the stupid time changes every fall and spring? Massachusetts was the major holdout, for no reason that makes sense.
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otakugrey
5 months ago
Wait, but I don't understand. The pandemic is not over yet. And isn't NY the worst hit by it?
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StrawberryLetter22
5 months ago
What do you do when the federal government is as useless as an asshole in an elbow? Join other states to form your own council!
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purpleyellowredblues
5 months ago
This is a great idea! So great in fact I hope this coalition eventually grows so that there is one union that represents all of the states. In order to make sure all of the states interests are properly represented at this union meetings they could each elect delegates that ensure no state is left out. However each state has a different population so they could make it like a two pronged thing where in one prong each state gets the same number of delegates and the other prong the number of delegates based on population, we could even name this union something catchy, I personally vote for calling it a federal government!
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Creidy384
5 months ago
No! Not until there is a vaccine or treatment! Do we want the plague? Stay home! Don’t open up until we can safely do so! Oh the numbers are down! You know why?! Because we are staying home. I get we need the country to move, but if we all die, there’s no country. Be smart. I want to go back to normal as much as the next person but if we do that before treatment or vaccine, we are basically as bad as folks opening the wet market again. Stay. The. Fuck. Home.
That is all
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PumaGranite
5 months ago
They’re not talking about immediate opening. They’re talking about developing a set of standards that indicate opening. And really, this is about filling a power vacuum that’s been left by the federal government. It’s a fuck you to Trump. They’re taking control of their respective regions and providing actual leadership.
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KWEL1TY
5 months ago
No, this isnt about Trump lol cmon. This is about reopening, we are not waiting for there to be a vaccine.
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Termin8tor
5 months ago
I guess these states have forgotten something quite important.
The businesses that have closed their doors aren't just going to magically resurrect from administration and business death just because people can go back to work.
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Snirbs
5 months ago
In my town the local shops and restaurants have a ton of business. Almost too much to handle - many have taken a vacation week due to the outpouring of support. They’ve gotten really creative about how to continue providing their products and services.
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Dranj
5 months ago
This is disconcerting. So far the statements we've received have been focused on regional groups setting their own schedules regarding economic recovery, basically preemptively telling Trump's rumored task force to shove it. But we've also witnessed the federal government force states to battle each other for medical supplies on the open market, then swoop in to seize those supplies and distribute them as the feds see fit, often with little or no transparency. How long until these multi-state councils decide that they need to wield their combined economic power as trade blocs in the interest of securing at least some medical supplies for themselves? Because I'm almost certain Trump would retaliate by continuing to seize as many shipments as he can and directing them to his supporters.
Just, holy shit. Our country needs some genuine leadership right now on the federal level.
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Nexlore
5 months ago
Fed: Weed is still illegal because it is super dangerous so much worse then both alcohol and smoking mkayy.
Also fed: We should leave this pandemic up to the States they can decide how to handle it.
Takeaway: Either marijuana is really dangerous, or COVID-19 is not as bad as people are making it out to be.
/s
the answer is actually that the Federal government is being inconsistent and irresponsible.
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lrg1ne
5 months ago
Trump: we will need to reopen the economy at some point. Reddit: boooooo he wants to murder us
Cuomo: We will need to reopen the economy some point. Reddit: yay! Isnt that a great idea. Wow. Much impressed.
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Mephisto506
5 months ago
So the point of this council is to make sure that restriction are only eased when the health situation allows it.
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Account_3_0
5 months ago
Trump’s idiocy notwithstanding, he has said he would listen to the experts regarding the federal recommendations to lift restrictions. What he will actually do remains to be seen.
I think both groups, the Governors and feds, are targeting May 1 or thereabouts as date to rollback restrictions. Not necessarily eliminate, but crack things open a bit to allow for some commerce and re-employment. There just going about through different messages. One looks measured and well-thought, the other looks like the madman ramblings.
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Timey_Wimey
5 months ago
Trump said Easter. He didn't say Easter if it's prudent from a public health perspective. Tell me - who is the public health expert on his reopening task force? He sees this entirely from an economic perspective only.
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lrg1ne
5 months ago
He said he would “love to open on Easter”
Why do you take that as a definitive statement, and not a goal?
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Timey_Wimey
5 months ago
Why give people that false hope if it's not possible from a public health perspective? Why does it matter what he would love? Of course he would love that, who wouldn't? Why say it if it's not a goal?
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lrg1ne
5 months ago
Because leading with fear causes panic. Like we saw with toilet paper etc.
What do you think the public response would be if the word from the president was “this is really bad. There is no end in sight. There is no hope right now. Stay home and good luck”
That is the message you prefer? Not one of we will get through this? Really?
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Timey_Wimey
5 months ago
You can't envision any message between false hope with no basis whatsoever and absolutely nihilism? Nothing at all, huh?
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lrg1ne
5 months ago
What message do you want then. A message with any hope you disagree with. As you said.
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Gamegis
5 months ago
Stop straw manning that other poster. It’s incredibly rude and disingenuous. You have, I’m pretty sure purposefully, misrepresented his argument on several occasions.
Can’t you make your point without doing that? He never said anything about not providing hope. You have presented a false choice between 2 extreme messages of “were fucked” and “everything is great!!!”.
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birds_of_berlin_ny
5 months ago
Is it possible you missed the Governors' point: The president does not control the states, and our governor, along with many others, are reminding him of that fact.
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mrgmc2new
5 months ago
Do governors have the power to close state borders? Asking from Australia, this is something we have done here.
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Account_3_0
5 months ago
No. Generally speaking, there is freedom of travel between the states that is recognized as an individual right. A state cannot bar the resident of one state from traveling to or through the state, even in a pandemic. Stories of police stopping only vehicles with out-of-state license plates is likely untrue or reported in an incomplete manner. That would be a clear constitutional violation.
That’s different than what Florida is doing with its checkpoints at the border. Every passenger vehicle including Florida vehicles must stop at the checkpoint. They are asked ‘where are you traveling from?’ If the answer is one of the COVID hotspots, they are required to sign a firm acknowledging the mandatory quarantine. The people are still allowed to travel.
The federal government has used the “commerce clause” of the Constitution to regulate interstate matters. If the federal government wanted to exert force over the states to implement a nationwide shutdown, restrict travel, or to “open the economy” it would have to stretch the commerce clause into a shape it has never taken (an wasn’t intended to take, imo)
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800meters
5 months ago
You should check out what Delaware has done. They’ve essentially closed the state to nonresidents and have police officers at all of the big nonresident hotspots (Delaware is a no sales tax state, so all of the liquor stores and grocery stores just over the border are oftentimes swamped by nonresidents).
It’s most probably in violation of the commerce clause, but it’s being enforced.
Here’s an article about it https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/04/state-police-checkpoint-near-total-wine-home-depot-aims-to-end-influx-of-out-out-state-shoppers/
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Janneyc1
5 months ago
So long as it doesn't affect interstate commerce they can. That said, NY's favorite way to figure out if a law is constitutional is to pass it and then wait for it to get slapped down by SCOTUS.
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Creidy384
5 months ago
Governors are mini presidents. They decide state wise. The president, despite what he thinks, can not force states to open.
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Creidy384
5 months ago
I was referring to forcing states to open all Jon essential business. Really, noting that the governors are mini presidents of their states. POTUS has no powers, to my understanding, to force a state governor to do what he wants. The governors will decide, by state, if they want to reopen. It can not be forced by the president. I may have misunderstood what OP was looking for.
Edit: I don’t know what Jon essential business is but I certainly meant NON essential:)
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freshlysaltedwound
5 months ago
Yes, you're correct, he wouldn't be able to force them to open non essential business. He could try to fight it but I doubt he would get very far and ultimately there's no way he could forcibly make them.
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mrgmc2new
5 months ago
If some states are doing the right thing and some aren't it will be necessary or you'll never stamp out this thing.
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darkenthedoorway
5 months ago
Yes I know. I meant it's rare to close state borders historically, and so it has a certain dread to hear talk of restricting Americans movement domestically.
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justlogmeon
5 months ago
Wait...You mean?!?!?
A regional group of leaders, representing people in their own local areas, getting together to decide what's better for all their combined areas, instead of letting a far-flung, self-serving politician decide is somehow right?!?!?
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txgunlover
5 months ago
Not if it is about abortion, gun control, freedom of speech or religion or...
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Nuf-Said
5 months ago
I’m pretty worried that as the numbers start to plateau, the pressure to open up the stores etc will cause people to become careless and start a second wave.
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12footjumpshot
5 months ago
So are these governors, that’s one of the reasons they are coordinating.
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Ninotchk
5 months ago
We need to have a second wave, and a third and a fourth. But the whole point is to try and keep them small, but as our increased number of ventilators, increased knowledge, maybe a treatment, more testing to contain outbreaks can reduce the mortality.
There was an article called the hammer and the dance in Medium that goes into some details of what it will involve.
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constantino2
5 months ago
We also can't wait 18months for a vaccine though...
Keep the masks and social distancing, maybe skip large social events.
Restaurants are the real sticking point, lot of people in food service industry.
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resistible
5 months ago
> We also can't wait 18months for a vaccine though...
You say this as though there's a good alternative. There isn't. Last I read, Covid has a 60% infection rate. That means that, if the cashier at your local grocery rings up 50 customers during their shift, he is handling cards and cash from 30 people who either already have it or *will* have it **every shift he works**. If we open everything up without being ready, we end up right back where we started. If a million people die because we opened up too soon, our economy takes a beating anyway because that's a million people who aren't buying groceries, cell phones, cars, and houses. It's lose/lose for the economy, so let's choose the one where our loved ones don't die unnecessarily.
Hopefully, our Universal Basic Income -- the stimulus -- will keep things going.
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constantino2
5 months ago
then you mandate touchless payment, well within our capabilities and already in place at most retailers.
some people will die. sorry, thats the cold truth. we've only committed to flattening the curve to not overwhelm our medical system. To that end, we've succeeded so far, and with every recovery, we improve our immunity and reduce the potential carriers.
Good chance that our actual immune population is orders of magnitude greater than our confirmed cases. I dont think its unreasonable to say that 10+% of our population has probably had covid, especially in densely populated cities. by the time we think about easing the restrictions in another 2-4 weeks, that number might very well be more like 20%+. That should help to temper the spread.
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resistible
5 months ago
> some people will die.
They already are. You're placing an argument on me that I'm not making. Herd immunity has already been debunked as a reasonable response, so you need to catch up with the science.
The question isn't whether people are going to die or not -- again, they already are. The question is whether people are going to die *needlessly* because we make poor decisions.
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constantino2
5 months ago
source on herd immunity being debunked?
needlessly means different things to different people. we all have levels of acceptable losses. Most people dont have the knowledge and understanding of what the lockdown is costing us either. Its easy to say to extend it indefinitely to minimize loss of life when you have no comprehension of the costs. Which leads to fundamental disconnects in our views on the subject.
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resistible
5 months ago
Sure, there are plenty.
[Here's one from an epidemiologist](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19). Should be all you need to read, but I'll add more.
[Source](https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-pandemic-herd-immunity-uk-boris-johnson/608065/)
[Source](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/03/uk-backed-off-on-herd-immunity-to-beat-coronavirus-we-need-it/)
[Source](https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/17/britain-uk-coronavirus-response-johnson-drops-go-it-alone/)
"Needlessly" in this context means "die because we made stupid decisions." A number of deaths are unavoidable. A number *are* avoidable. We should avoid those.
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constantino2
5 months ago
your link does not dispute herd immunity, only calls out the risks associated with it.
thats obvious, I certainly didnt suggest we all go have a chicken pox party in the mall and rip it off like a bandaid.
But many have gotten infected despite our precautions, and many more will be infected. We cant avoid that, and we cant afford to stay in our houses for the next 18 months while we *hopefully* make a vaccine.
And hence, flatten the curve. the broadly accepted strategy by the bulk of the scientific community, which still states that most of us will suffer through this, some will die, but hopefully everyone is at least able to get the best treatment possible to maximize their chances of survival.
To that end, the more people who become immune, the slower the spread will be even as restrictions are lifted.
I cant model the specifics, but its possible that we are approaching a threshold where we can resume some normalcy without spiking the active infections above what the medical system can handle.
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BrogenKlippen
5 months ago
The stimulus won’t keep things going for 18 months. We could very well be facing a decade of intense economic suffering when we finally emerge from this.
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wrtcdevrydy
5 months ago
\> We could very well be facing a decade of intense economic suffering when we finally emerge from this.
We already will... this isn't an option.
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derstherower
5 months ago
If this goes on for too much longer we are going to need to start having conversations about what the number of "acceptable" deaths is, because this is not sustainable. People gave Trump a lot of shit for saying this, but he's right. The treatment should not be worse than the disease, and we are rapidly heading towards that. Shutting things down for a year and a half would *undoubtedly* be worse than starting to ease up on restrictions.
We are getting towards a breaking point, I feel. My girlfriend's little sister was caught by her parents sneaking out of their house a few days ago because her high school's senior year was cancelled and she misses her friends. My roommate's birthday is at the end of the month and he's started asking me if I would be okay if we had a few friends over to our apartment for some beers and stuff. And honestly, I *am* fine with it. This cannot go on for much longer. We're going to get to a point where people just stop caring about the lockdowns and try to return to "normal" on their own, and that would be well before a vaccine is developed. It sounds horrible but we are going to need to have this conversation sooner or later. If we had lockdowns like this every winter, we would drastically decrease the amount of flu deaths. If we stopped people from driving except for essential reasons, we would drastically decrease the amount of deaths in car accidents. But we do not do these things, because we know that keeping society running is more important. Sure, we could lock things down for 18 months...but at what cost? If we save a million lives, but *ruin* the lives of well over twenty million people, is that "better"? People need to go back to work. Businesses need to function. We are already starting to see businesses fail, and it will only get worse.
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resistible
5 months ago
What you're suggesting is ridiculous, even on its face. Who decides which deaths are acceptable? I decide you and your family don't get hospital beds, and my family gets ventilators reserved for them. Or let the racists decide that brown people don't get hospital beds. Or, ooh, even better, only people who have enough money get medical care. How's that sound?
It's nice that you're fine with it, but the vast majority of Americans are NOT fine with it. You're the person who isn't taking it seriously enough, and will cause us to be locked down even longer. People interests > business interests. I don't care if Jeff Bezos makes an extra few million dollars. I don't want my parents to die for it.
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Munchkin_Ninja
5 months ago
Dude, listen to yourself. You're literally advocating for profit over people.
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derstherower
5 months ago
You're missing my point. It's not just "profit". This *is* about people. Millions upon millions of people are hurting *now*. Locking everyone down for 18 months *is* worse than people dying. Sure, we'll save lives doing it. But what if for every life we save from coronavirus ten people lose their homes because they were laid off, or develop a drug addiction due to the isolation they're experiencing, or commit suicide because of the stress of all of this? If we only cared about saving lives we could lock everyone in a padded room and be done with it. But we don't.
18 months of this is not feasible. People will not stand for it. We are already seeing people start to ignore the current measures and it has only been a month.
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wrtcdevrydy
5 months ago
\> This cannot go on for much longer
It totally can.
\> start having conversations about what the number of "acceptable" deaths is
The second wave of Spanish Flu was worse than the first but higher than the third. Stand on a country with a mass grave of 10 million people and rethink the word 'acceptable'
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tehmlem
5 months ago
Will we look back on this moment as the beginning of the Balkanization of America?
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sacredblasphemies
5 months ago
Bro, bro, bro....you need more gold chains with your track suit, bro.
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thinkB4WeSpeak
5 months ago
I mean there is jobs in demand right now like wearhouses, manufacturing, trucking, grocery stores, etc. The real question is if people actually want to do that.
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seventhirtyeight
5 months ago
Risk catching a fatal illness and pass it to everyone I love for $10/hr? Sign me up!
Unemployment is paying way above and beyond any of these front-line jobs. You can even quit and self-certify that you quit because of Covid and still get unemployment.
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resistible
5 months ago
> The real question is if people actually want to do that.
No. This is false. Many of these facilities use temps, and the temps get no sick leave and no time off. So if you are sick, you still have to go to work. Even if they do hire their own employees, they're still being forced to come to work because they are essential. Cargill closed its plant in Hazleton, PA, because 130 of its 900 employees tested positive for Covid. My neighbor works for a trucking company that is contracted for a well known grocery store, and he said people are walking off the job because their coworkers are getting sick and are being told to still come to work because they're essential. The healthy employees are just walking off.
So, no, you are wrong about what the real question is. The *real* question is this: Do poor people need to die so that wealthy people can keep enough money? Being forced to get a job that exposes you to a very real consequence of death because you need to feed your family is a disaster. We're right back to the situation with [coal mines in the 19th century](http://slaverybyanothername.lunchbox.pbs.org/tpt/slavery-by-another-name/themes/life-coal-mine/).
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RossinVR
5 months ago
The real Question is, can we keep people safe doing those jobs or are a bunch more people going to drop dead?
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anticerber
5 months ago
There certainly are. I know many people looking for jobs right now.. a lot of people would rather risk exposure than be homeless. It’s a real damned if you do damned if you don’t situation honestly
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seventhirtyeight
5 months ago
If it's because they've recently lost their job, the unemployment benefits are going to be higher than ever this time. I hope anyone eligible to file has filed.
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PandasaursHex
5 months ago
Ok, so... we've got the NCR now and the Commonwealth.
How many stars on the courier's jacket again?
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jschubart
5 months ago
I'll be damned if I am going to allow Cascadia to be a part of the NCR.
https://www.falloutcascadia.com/
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bunnylover726
5 months ago
It's a reference to the Fallout video game series. The NCR is the New California Republic and the commonwealth is an area that includes Massachusetts.
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darthrubberchicken
5 months ago
If you're talking about Ulysses' jacket it had 13 stars. But that's cause it's based on Pre-war American design, and it's actually based on the real Betsy Ross flag.
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PandasaursHex
5 months ago
well, it was really just a conversation starter.
more a comment on how current affairs are bearing an uncanny parallel to a fictional history.
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hamakabi
5 months ago
Since you bring up the Institute.. MIT has already spent 50 million in the last 4 weeks on rolling out tech to support remote work, financial aid and fee reimbursement for displaced students, and financial assistance to local business and the homeless. The president and Vice President have both taken 20% paycuts and a lot of faculty/admin staff have donated part of their salary to a relief fund.
No vaults as of yet, but I'm sure it's in the pipeline.
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cambeiu
5 months ago
Funny to see the whole "state's rights" discussion flipped on its head.
it shows how it was never about principles, but about what was politically expedient for both sides.
I think the same applies for this whole mail voting debate too.
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marylandmike8873
5 months ago
The left is for states rights on Marijuana, against them on guns and abortion.
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Krewtan
5 months ago
The left or liberals?
Most leftists and some liberals I know strongly support gun rights. You can also support gun rights and sensible legislation too as I see it.
Clearly the issue has evolved beyond gun ownership into involuntary internal bullet ownership. I think there's probably a lot of different factors we can
address within the issue of gun violence.
It's a pity they aren't simple or comfortable topics. Its much easier to invoke the idea of right wing militias and gang violence than it is to discuss mental health care and media coverage
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gairloch0777
5 months ago
It was about which rights the states have. One is the right to protect citizens using a science based method to determine reopening of the state economic centers in the middle of a pandemic.
The other was the (incorrect) "right" to use slaves and subjugate a group of what should have been fully recognized American citizens.
Don't try to pull a bullshit "both sides" here.
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cambeiu
5 months ago
If you think the contemporary debate about states rights involves slavery or it was only restricted to 19th century emancipation issues, you are truly misinformed.
It has to do with gun laws, the scope and power of the Dept. of Education, environmental laws, immigration issues (e.g. Sanctuary cities) and so forth.
And both sides have always been extremely opportunistic about it, basing their position on what is convenient at the time, not on principle.
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Marston_vc
5 months ago
Oh god, another one of these. Multiple state letters of succession literally cited slavery as the reason for leaving. Specifically slavery. There’s no debate here my guy.
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true_spokes
5 months ago
Is this the start of urban coastal states beginning to keep their own council within the union? It’s an interesting development to see them forming these coalitions almost explicitly in defiance of federal declarations.
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shawhtk
5 months ago
The future countries that rise out of the USA when it dies similar to the nations that rose from Rome.
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HashtagDadWatts
5 months ago
This is what happens when there is a complete failure of national leadership.
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Eat-the-Poor
5 months ago
I guess they just don’t have too much faith in Ivanka and Kush’s task force.
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imperfectchicken
5 months ago
Pretty much every Trump message that sticks out to me is way too casual, contradictory, blame shifting, abandonment and/or denying things he said days earlier. I don't fully understand how American governance works (Canadian) but it looks like governors are stepping into a role that their President really should be doing because he can't go two sentences without rational listeners going "what?".
Just...say something straight. He could have stopped at "CDC recommends voluntary mask wearing", but no, "I'm personally not going to do it". Why.
I think the governors have to give some kind of hope. Realistically I see people locked in all summer to give hospitals a chance, but economically and psychologically it's not doable, not unless some kind of martial law and extensive support services are included.
There's a difference between "we're going to get the ball rolling on what's best by asking local leaders and different professionals" vs. "Easter sounds good!" Big yikes right there, waiting to see if Trump ever furiously denies this.
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TinyFugue
5 months ago
Denies what exactly? He's already denied what he's denied not doing previously and then he's denied that the denials were actually about denying those denials that belied anything worth denying.
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Rysilk
5 months ago
Hehe, Repubs have always been about State rights vs. Federal rights. It would be hilarious if it took Trumps idiocy to get the Left to agree with them.
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Aazadan
5 months ago
Their version of states rights here that you're getting at is basically filling in a power vacuum due to the federal government more or less doing nothing here/collapsing.
It's not some triumph of Republican ideology, rather it's indicative of an impending failure of the entire country.
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Rysilk
5 months ago
Use whatever terminology you want, I just applaud the left for doing things on a state level vs. federal.
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Rysilk
5 months ago
That is a morbidly twisting of what I was saying.... I wasn't applauding the government of Republicans and Democrats failing to act, I was applauding the governors for acting on a state level in an appropriate manner. Your comment is an indictment on what people will do to see the world the way they want to see it...
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HashtagDadWatts
5 months ago
> I wasn't applauding the government of Republicans and Democrats
The branch of government in charge of emergency response is the executive, which currently consists solely of extremist Republicans.
>I was applauding the governors for acting on a state level
As noted by myself and others above, they're banding together to act on a regional level instead of acting on a state level. They're basically doing the federal government's job for it since it has failed so spectacularly.
Your desperate narrative pushing couldn't be more obvious.
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Ag0r
5 months ago
They are creating a mini federal because the real federal can't get it's shit together.
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the-incredible-ape
5 months ago
>almost explicitly in defiance of federal declarations.
Not federal declarations, just outbursts from the president. And the fact that governors are forced to form ad-hoc unions that are considered comparable in some way to outbursts by the president is extremely worrying.
The federal government has completely abdicated its role here. Republicans like this, but this is not even remotely how it's supposed to be.
All credit to the governors, but this isn't really their job and it's not supposed to be.
The governors' role should be to encourage their citizens to follow CDC / Federal guidelines and help coordinate a federal response with their own state's resources.
Not... scramble to figure out how to fix the whole thing without federal help.
If you find that a neglected 8-year-old can cook their own dinner and put themselves to bed, the first reaction isn't "Way to go, little guy!" it's... "where the fuck are your parents??"
And this is basically the situation we're in.
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Neethis
5 months ago
>Not federal declarations, just outbursts from the president.
I mean courts have already declared that these are the same thing...
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Barbarake
5 months ago
You may be right - or it may be more akin to adult children coming in and taking care of their parents because the parents are no longer capable.
Or - going back to your eight-year-old situation - the neglectful parents should have their parental rights taken away since they're not doing their job.
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clark116
5 months ago
Have you noticed how OLD these politicians are? Don't most publicly traded corporations have mandatory retirement ages? Why is the fate of our country in the hands of grandparents??? Are WE the adult children?
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IntrepidDreams
5 months ago
In the US, a company having a mandatory retirement age would, with some exceptions, be illegal under Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967. An amendment in 1986.
Source [1](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_Discrimination_in_Employment_Act_of_1967), [2](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_retirement)
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FlametopFred
5 months ago
simply cutting the very useless Trump and his incompetent sycophants out of the picture. Work needs to be done. Things need getting on with. Trump is a useless idiot. His family even more useless.
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12footjumpshot
5 months ago
This isn’t about politics, this is about responding to the science and data and saving lives. These states are all connected economically and via major transit routes, it’s smart for them to coordinate. If you’re looking for someone politicizing this crisis look no further than Trump.
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InABigCity
5 months ago
You don’t think using science and data is political in 2020?
(Everything is political.)
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12footjumpshot
5 months ago
It can be made to be political but in this case these states are coordinating because they have shared workforces and transit routes, if they don’t coordinate the reopening of businesses and schools they risk undoing all the good work they have done by flattening the curve. If people like you or CNN or Trump want to then say this is a political act then that’s on you.
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Tehpunisher456
5 months ago
Yeah look over here in the west with Washington Oregon and California bending up too bit in favor of protecting hoomans
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bunnyfuk
5 months ago
Oh, wow! Look! States uniting. Almost like.... almost like... snapsnapsnap almost like... aahhh... you know!!
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LeChief
5 months ago
"We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men and women created...by...go...you know, the thing."
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FlametopFred
5 months ago
like .. yeah ... totally ... like states uniting for a common cause and to share resources ... on the tip of my tongue ... something to do with the continent .... the ... Cohesive Provinces of Canada
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Mooseisabitfat
5 months ago
They're actually creating their own little union, because the actual federal government is failing them.
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Colmanaburn
5 months ago
The south is going to rise again they said. Little did they know it rose so high it became the north.
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AverageIQMan
5 months ago
As long as it is well understood that we need to get below a certain threshold rate of infections with the population in circulation, we shouldn't have a problem. I hope that they pick the right health expert and not some hospital executive for this decision.
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