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About half of Kaiser Permanente’s San Jose hospital has been filled with patients confirmed or suspected to have the new coronavirus, a hospital vice president said in an interview with a medical journal. There have been so many patients that Kaiser San Jose has had to boost its staffing, Dr. Stephen Parodi, a Kaiser executive vice […]
Christopher Wheeler - @Stocktrader
9 months ago
RT @stillgray: Nearly half of all patients at Kaiser hospital in San Jose believed to have coronavirus https://t.co/t562rARTpd
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Kevin Pham - @_Kevin_Pham
9 months ago
https://t.co/6O6va6kNRA
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autofill34
9 months ago
Missing title
Hospitals are preparing the whole hospital to receive Covid patients so they are not doing elective surgeries and other kinds of normal treatments, so the patient population is way skewed.
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shooboodoodeedah
9 months ago
Ok so I know someone who works there, and apparently this hospital is where all other hospitals (possibly only other Kaiser hospitals, not sure yet) transfer their COVID patients. So this is half full of COVID patients since they’re consolidating them all to one location. No need for too much alarm yet
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stillobsessed
9 months ago
I was wondering if this was the case -- shame the reporter never managed to mention this crucial detail.
Clusters in both Washington and Italy (and, undoubtedly, elsewhere) apparently involved spread within health care facilities; concentrating COVID-19 cases and keeping other facilities clear of them will hopefully reduce the rate at which this happens here..
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Head-Yak
9 months ago
Kaiser has really surprised me during all of this. Me and my entire family has been with Kaiser for all this time (decades) for nearly all of our healthcare needs and up until this period of time with COVID-19, they have always been efficient and good at their jobs. They were even one of the first if not the first major hospital organizations to fully computerize their patient records at a time when everything was literally still just filed away in a cabinet or on a shelf at other hospitals. But yeah they are doing a shit job. It's deplorable how they are treating their workers and managing this situation overall.
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_FANGTOOTH
9 months ago
Can confirm. Two days ago two lymph nodes on the side of my neck appeared. Over a telephone appointment my doc told me for sure it was a viral infection but couldn't test me because I have no symptoms. He said I FOR SURE HAVE A VIRAL INFECTION and proceeded to tell me it was fine to return to work.
My supervisor disagreed and sent me home. I've been home ever since. I thought it was the smarter decision. It blew my mind away how irrational that decision was on his behalf. I would have told my patient to avoid work for the time being.
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rnepmc
9 months ago
I find doctors these days make knee jerk reactions to what seems like run of the mill symptoms. And truly it is up to us to make informed decisions.
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bgog
9 months ago
Lots to rip on them about but this headline is poorly worded. The patients didn't catch Covid-19 while there for something else. They are being inundated with new covid-19 cases that need to be hospitalized.
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Yazon69
9 months ago
The county reported 375 cases, second to Los Angeles County, which has 662 cases.
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dyinginstereo
9 months ago
Well. Someone really failed.
And that's terrible for the patients and staff involved.
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bgog
9 months ago
How did they fail? The patients didn't get the virus there, these are all people who are being hospitalized for covid-19, as in they show up and are in critical condition and they are being cared for.
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PrincessFuckFace2You
9 months ago
I'm pretty sure hospitals are some of the worst spreading areas. People in there for other things can catch it easily.
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Memetic1
9 months ago
These days I'm not going to a hospital unless I'm about to die. I'm terrified to go to the grocery store. So you can imagine how I am with the idea of going to a hospital right now.
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tatabusa
9 months ago
This is why hospital visits are very heavily restricted in some places now.
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Maple-Sizzurp
9 months ago
True story. I'm not going to be able to be present to see what gender my baby is going to be or hear the heart beat because if my fiance's appointment doesn't get cancelled next month I can't attened anyways. Freaking sucks but it's for the greater good.
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_Geiger
9 months ago
Sorry about this man, but huge congratulations on the little one. Take good care of yourself and mom.
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RunRunRhonda
9 months ago
I’m currently pregnant and my next appointment was rescheduled to early May, with my husband not able to attend. Hoping he can actually attend the birth of his daughter at this point. I hope your fiancé is hanging in there alright.
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MedicalProgress1
9 months ago
Boohoo? Wtf? Try finding out when the kid is born. Then be thankful that you, your fiancé, and your baby are alive.
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Maple-Sizzurp
9 months ago
It's not just about that. It's about being there with your partner experiencing this exciting time together. These are things that I want to be part of as a father.
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xlvi_et_ii
9 months ago
Ignore the dickheads dude - you're already on the path to being an awesome father (and partner) by caring about stuff like this.
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Banguskahn
9 months ago
Let me ask. What does it matter what gender is a child. Hearing the heartbeat should be enough and one point is that life is life. Hell, if I had a kid would def change me but putting that up as a importance seems to be a big thing today. Just seeing life born should be enough. Not what comes out
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portland_jc
9 months ago
I just had a baby, 2 months ago and let me just say... that it matters. It’s probably the single best thing to ever happen to me and I know that sounds weird, shit I used to think it was weird but one of those things that doesn’t get understood till you have a baby yourself and experience those 9 months with partner
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freshpicked12
9 months ago
Most practices do not let you bring a cell phone to ultrasounds. I just had my 32w ultrasound last week and they would not let me take a video or FaceTime my husband. He was barred from coming to the appointment due to the virus.
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Maple-Sizzurp
9 months ago
That's what we're going to see if we can do! It's not the same but atleast I can be there. It's a two hour appointment because its also a full health check of the baby but it's a great idea.
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Apolojuice
9 months ago
This is the same hospital that fired a nurse for daring to wear a N95 mask.
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BeneGezzWitch
9 months ago
Very true. But they’re managed in clusters and it’s possible San Jose and Oakland have separate management. I just wanted to be sure blame was laid at the appropriate feet.
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FromOutoftheShadows
9 months ago
Silicon Valley has been one of the areas hardest hit by COVID-19. As of Tuesday, Santa Clara County had the highest numbers of deaths of any county in California, with 16 fatalities. The county reported 375 cases, second to Los Angeles County, which has 662 cases.
Huh? These are educated people, no? One would think that they would have a lower rate of infection as they are, presumably, better educated and informed than someone like me.
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1savage99
9 months ago
They work/school with a population that had a large number of people just return from the hot bed of the infection. The same reason NYC and LA are now getting hit.
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chapstickbrush
9 months ago
Programmers that make a living stealing data get to work from home, nurses and food service are not so lucky.
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TheRealPharoahKhufu
9 months ago
Hey now, looking up everything on Google is not "stealing data" !!!
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cancerface
9 months ago
For every 'educated' techbro there are literally hundreds of other people trying to lead regular lives doing regular jobs, in a place where the cost of living has led to many with multiple jobs, multiple housing partners, and nowhere near the support or resources of an actually very small number of people. You know, doing the jobs that support society.
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Tiger5913
9 months ago
I'm not sure if this article is true, but I'll ask our public relations person.
Source: I work at Kaiser, but a different location
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ependergraft1
9 months ago
Really? HIPAA would prevent you from confirming this general stat? How did we get in the first place then?
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stillobsessed
9 months ago
You asked for an update, which is usually more than just confirmation...
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elisha_gunhaus
9 months ago
Santa Clara County had an increase of 130 cases today. I wonder if this is why. It must be a large part of it.
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Parispendragon
9 months ago
Everywhere had a large increase today. Incubation numbers dictate it. If the call to quarantine went out last week Thursday night for FRI, and most people who are asymptomatic show symptoms in 3-7 days and 3-4 days after that get to a hospital/doctor when they realize 'this isn't the flu, I'm not even getting a little bit better.....The earliest people sleeping on the disease are realizing the have it now.
WE are at 6 days in, right now - there will be a noticable jump today, Fri and Monday/Tuesday.
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daggero99
9 months ago
235 beds, including 24 icu beds. https://covid-19.direct/county/CA/Santa%20Clara
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reven80
9 months ago
That is an useful link. Thanks. I wonder how close they are to capacity though.
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nonosam9
9 months ago
They should be close to full capacity right now (or full already) for beds and ICU beds.
I believe the county is building buildings with more beds to prepare and prevent them running out.
Santa Clara county is at huge risk of local hospitals being overwhelmed, but I expect they will sent some (infected) patients to other nearby SF area counties when they run out of ventilators and beds.
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MasterDood
9 months ago
So you’re saying “staffed” doesn’t mean someone’s in it? Does that mean they simply have the staff to man it?
Then is it he difference between those numbers that they don’t have the docs/nurses to “staff” a bed?
These terms don’t mean much until we understand them.
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reven80
9 months ago
I thing staffed just mean they have to staff the manage the bed if a patient is using it.
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Hadroun
9 months ago
Yeah, our county has 137 confirmed positive hospitalizations. It does appear that we are flattening the curve, but we are already banging up against bed limitations. They are going to have to shuffle people around, and I can't imagine any hospital wants to take covid transfers. 😬
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Hadroun
9 months ago
I think there's a lot of variation from hospital to hospital, but we are now at 154 hospitalizations just for COVID. According to KTVU, we have 2100 adult beds in the county and around 350 ICU beds. It's not clear how many of the hospitalizations are ICU.
They are working to move non-urgent (subacute maybe?) pts to Santa Clara Convention Center and convert more units to ICUs. Not sure where the staffing would come from for the new beds, maybe from the same federal source that will be operating the convention center as a barely-inpatient facility.
https://www.ktvu.com/news/santa-clara-convention-center-converting-into-medical-site-amid-shortage-of-hospital-beds.amp
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c73qLQVs6RV
9 months ago
No, we are not capable of saying that yet. We’re just not counting everyone. How do I know? I’m sick with the symptoms and can’t get tested or even looked at. How many other people are there out there like me?
California needs to get its shit together now and start testing so we have a full view of whether the measures are working. Not testing people and then declaring that we’ve flattened the curve is not actually flattening the curve. It’s dangerous because it will lull people into a false sense of security and then we’ll get the second wave.
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jumpingyeah
9 months ago
As frustrating as it may be for you, one of the biggest reasons to not have people tested is to avoid coming to the hospital. If you're feeling sick, stay home, rest, don't expose yourself to others or have others exposed to you. Since it's too late to try and keep contained, the best way to keep it contained is to stay home. Had we tested earlier and had more tests, it would make sense to keep testing and isolate positive infections, but with the wide community spread, testing isn't going to help a whole lot. Be sure to tell your doctor or call your local county health hotline, so that if your symptoms get worse, they can guide you on where to go. Additionally, hospitals are treating this and other illnesses symptomatically, as they always have and likely will not change.
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tooncie
9 months ago
I've tried 3 different avenues to get a test over the last 10 days. Still no availability. My whole family has symptoms.
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jumpingyeah
9 months ago
As frustrating as it may be for you and your family, one of the biggest reasons to not have people tested is to avoid coming to the hospital. If you're feeling sick, stay home, rest, don't expose yourself to others or have others exposed to you. Since it's too late to try and keep contained, the best way to keep it contained is to stay home. Had we tested earlier and had more tests, it would make sense to keep testing and isolate positive infections, but with the wide community spread, testing isn't going to help a whole lot. Be sure to tell your doctor or call your local county health hotline, so that if yo and your families symptoms get worse, they can guide you on where to go. You mentioned you've been trying to get a test for the last 10 days, which indicates your symptoms are likely minor/moderate? It'd be better to assume you and your family have it, stay home, get some rest and to **not** worry about whether you have it or not, but to focus on recovering. A few health professionals I know are saying a lot of people are coming into the hospitals asking to be tested, with minor/incorrect symptoms or no symptoms, and they are only risking their own health by being exposed. Additionally, hospitals are treating this and other illnesses symptomatically, as they always have and likely will not change.
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tooncie
9 months ago
I realize they are saving tests but I was so short of breath I thought I might die.
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Hadroun
9 months ago
I was sick and couldn't get tested at the start of March. Now I have to wait for some day when there are resources to allocate to antibody testing. But when I first asked, you HAD to have been in another country. As I continued to be sick, they expanded it to travel OR known positive contact WITH symptoms. This was nearly impossible because there were about twenty confirmed cases. Didn't matter that I work with medically vulnerable children.
It really sucks that you aren't getting tested, and I wish you the symptom recovery that I got. Testing isn't sufficient, and we won't beat this until it is. But we do know that we are slowing down, even just a tiny bit, which might give us an extra three days, an extra ten beds.
It sucks cause we passed the point of no return a long way back. But the things we have done since then ARE mitigating.
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c73qLQVs6RV
9 months ago
The frustrating thing about not testing is once people recover and get beyond that point of being contagious, they could be useful volunteers and workers in this whole thing.
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Hadroun
9 months ago
When they open schools again, I am going to have to make such a damn stink about getting tested. I have students with compromised airways. Everyone was trying to get me back to work right before schools closed. Sorry, I'd rather lose my job than KILL A CHILD??? Argh
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taylor__spliff
9 months ago
I know it’s frustrating to not be able to get tested. Hopefully soon we’ll get an antibody year so we can see who was infected, didn’t need to be hospitalized, and got better.
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eonmulti
9 months ago
True but at this point there is not much else we can do even if there was more testing. If everyone follows the shelter at home order then testing is moot and the virus will naturally die. I read an article about people in New York lining up at 5am to get covid testing, waiting half a day in line. What fools they are. If they didn’t have covid they sure as hell would have after that day.
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Parispendragon
9 months ago
> It does appear that we are flattening the curve, but we are already banging up against bed limitations.
I feel like this is where all of CA is right now. If the tornado would stop, we'd be fine and just treat people and stop them from dying over the next couple weeks but they just keep coming!
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seaQueue
9 months ago
People like my mother can't seem to stay the fuck at home so new infections just keep on rollin in.
"But Target has a SALE!" -*My 70yo Mom*
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Gnojuan7734
9 months ago
disconnect her battery cables in her car. If you don't, her chances of catching covid-19 will climb. Do it for her.
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PRINCESWERVE
9 months ago
Tell here there's going to be even BETTER sales after all this calms down because Target and everywhere else is going to need the $$$.
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YSP82
9 months ago
Well they are basically going to be giving away toilet paper because everyone has a 10 year supply.
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nonosam9
9 months ago
Having no one go to work or school will absolutely slow down the spread of this. But this county is a hotspot with huge amounts of spread before these measures.
>Is there enough testing to declare a flattening of the curve?
It doesn't matter what is declared. Having everyone in the county not go to work (except for some of course) and all children not go to school will have a huge impact to slow down the spreading.
Actually slowing down the spreading of the virus seems so much more important that declaring anything or knowing the exact change in rate of spread of the infection. Maybe after people will know how much the measures helped. But it's impossible that they will not have a huge impact. Many families who are isolated now will not get sick.
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CkEternity
9 months ago
Don't go off confirmed cases, because that's not the goal of flattening the curve. Go off the ICU/ER capacity. Hard info to find and mostly anecdotal, but it seems hospitals can still manage the current number of people infected right now. We know we're successfully flattening the curve since hospitals can keep providing care for all the currently sick people. If we continue on this trend, we might be okay.
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Hadroun
9 months ago
Santa Clara County definitely started getting community spread positives in the first days of March, so there's over three weeks of pattern, much more than most counties. Also, with the new drive-through testing, the number of tests has increased significantly. We should expect a terrifying artificial bump, but that hasn't happened. Rate of change is very close to x1.2 where before it seemed to be over x1.25.
Since testing availability is expanding, however slowly, I think it's reasonable to say that our advantages (pop more comfortable wearing masks, tech sector working from home, public fairly cooperative with health dept, very few "it's a hoax" magas) are helping us already.
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alexanderleedmd13
9 months ago
This is great news.
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May I ask how you know ICU/ER capacity is not at maximum levels at the moment?
Thanks
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Hadroun
9 months ago
I know folks who work in local hospitals (although not Kaiser). ICU running out! But we haven't hit capacity.
ER might be at capacity. I don't know anyone who works in that dept.
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CkEternity
9 months ago
Like I mentioned before it's mostly anecdotal, but articles like [these](https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/24/coronavirus-when-will-bay-area-hospitals-see-surge-in-patients/) get some comments from workers. Here's a quote from the article on the stay at home order:
> “We’re seeing so far it’s working really well,” said Good Samaritan Hospital’s chief nursing officer Mark Brown of his San Jose facility. But, he added, “time will tell.”
And another:
>“Currently there is some availability of the ICU beds and ventilators,” Santa Clara County Executive Jeff Smith, who is also a medical doctor, said Tuesday during a meeting of the Board of Supervisors, “but we’re very, very, very concerned that once a couple of weeks have expired, we will be really challenged.”
I have similar sentiments. I think we're still doing an alright job of keeping new infections down, but that's just right now. Who knows how much worse it will get, but we've definitely slowed the infection rate a little. We'll see if it's enough.
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vdek
9 months ago
Good catch, based on the growth rate in NY vs Santa Clara though, we’ve had significantly less growth.
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MoonChild02
9 months ago
Because we weren't testing everyone until yesterday. Now it will take another few days for results to come in for those who are now being tested.
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Knowaa
9 months ago
It's sad to say but the deaths are a good barometer. We have had cases for TWO MONTHS longer than them (at least) and have substantially less.
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vdek
9 months ago
I don’t think that’s true at all. You can tell how bad it is here by how many people are in the hospitals. Regardless we already started shelter in place a week ago, and most companies here started WFH 2-3 weeks ago.
I’m sure Bay Area cases will grow, but I don’t think it will grow anywhere near the same rate as NYC or other parts of the country.
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ginger_kale
9 months ago
Well, the good news is, if they convert the whole facility to coronavirus-only, it will save on PPE.
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