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RT @cryptowords: OH! This is such a blow. Gerald was so kind to me when I was starting out in bitcoin. He taught me a lot and eventually helped me make my first btc trades back in 2014. Funny, so smart, and quietly fired up. Condolences to his family. https://t.co/wbSSWm1rPL
RT @francispouliot_: Gerald Cotten, CEO of controversial Canadian Bitcoin exchange QuadrigaCX, suddenly passed away on December 9th 2018 due to complications related to Crohn's disease while traveling in India, according to an official statement released today by his wife 🥀
Gerald Cotten, CEO of controversial Canadian Bitcoin exchange QuadrigaCX, suddenly passed away on December 9th 2018 due to complications related to Crohn's disease while traveling in India, according to an official statement released today by his wife 🥀
These guys are lowlife fucking scammers, fuck quadriga they are trying to run with everyones money. DO NOT WITHDRAW FROM THIS EXCHANGE IT IS A SCAM. who even is gerald cotten? has anyone ever seen him or seen an interview? he died in india? the place where you can give $100 to anyone and they will kill someone for you ? it would take very little money to fake a death in india. they are trying to scam everyone report the website how ever you can and contact lawyers
>These guys are lowlife fucking scammers, fuck quadriga they are trying to run with everyones money. DO NOT WITHDRAW FROM THIS EXCHANGE IT IS A SCAM.
Why would you keep your money on an exchange that you feel is a scam? I'm not understanding the logic of "don't withdraw".
To many of those in this subreddit. Someone just passed away, and you only care about a death certificate, that this story is bs, that they deserved it for running this exchange into the ground, etc
Get a grip. Take a look in the mirror. Life is much more important than you know of. Get your head out of imaginary coins for once and show some respect. Posting hate on this is showing how detached you are from reality. This could have been anyone.
>are you seriously trying to shame people here? for being scared shitless that they are trapped in a scam? you're the one who needs to look in the mirror, for real.
Telling people to be more respectful rather than thinking about their own issues isn't being shaming. People need to understand that a life is something serious, no matter people's differences, opinions and issues.
People just need to stop, take a step back, and realize that a life is gone and then direct the issues back at the company that they have issues with. Not this person that is no longer with us. Claiming they want to see the death certificate. How absurd.
if you want a bereavement rate at an airline they want to see the death certification too.
there are millions of dollars of peoples money trapped on quadrigacx right now, and given the reputation of the bitcoin space for scams its frankly just poor business management the way that quadriga is handling it. I don't think that asking for more substantiation to their official narrative is absurd or callous in the least. They have to understand that as the CEO Gerald was a public figure and the company owes people an explanation. This has nothing to do with respecting the family grieving process or anything like that.
>if you want a bereavement rate at an airline they want to see the death certification too.
And that relates to this situation...how? You are owed nothing but *money* from QuadrigaCX.
>there are millions of dollars of peoples money trapped on quadrigacx right now, and given the reputation of the bitcoin space for scams its frankly just poor business management the way that quadriga is handling it.
Thus the reason you knew going in that these were unregulated MSB's conducting unregulated fiat-to-crypto transactions, right? So you didn't do something stupid like invest your life savings right? You only invested amounts you can afford to lose if shit went south, right?
The business Cotten built is likely ruined. 2018 has crippled platforms like QCX and ezBTC. Many businesses fail.
And you're here complaining of 'poor business management'.
>I don't think that asking for more substantiation to their official narrative is absurd or callous in the least.
Hmm. Perhaps it is the money you are owed that is making you *think* that.
>They have to understand that as the CEO Gerald was a public figure and the company owes people an explanation.
You've been provided one. If it isn't to your satisfaction, submit a fucking ticket to the support centre. I'm sure they'll get you that copy of the death certificate right away Sir!
>This has nothing to do with respecting the family grieving process or anything like that.
Yes, it does, and you failed miserably...
[Coindesk reports that Global Affairs Canada appeared to confirm](https://www.coindesk.com/quadrigacx-crypto-exchange-users-say-they-still-cant-get-their-money-out)
>When contacted by CoinDesk, a spokesperson for Global Affairs Canada, the government agency that manages diplomatic relations, appeared to confirm QuadrigaCX’s account of Cotten’s death overseas, but did not mention his name or give a date.
>“Our thoughts and sympathies are with the loved ones of a Canadian who recently died while visiting India,” said the spokesperson, Sylvain Leclerc. “We are providing assistance to the family at this very difficult time.”
>This could have been anyone.
Sure, it *could* have been David Smillie. But something tells me nobody would be making a plea for condolences and respect if *that* were the case.
To be rather blunt, I don't believe either QCX or ezBTC were/are *scams*. I think they are both legitimate attempts by individuals that couldn't weather the storm. Perhaps the operators of Vault of Satoshi could foresee the inevitable obstacles that would be placed on the market and got out while they were still ahead.
So, while I recognize that those owed money are unlikely to agree, I think all the individuals making an honest attempt to increase exposure and adoption of cryptocurrencies in Canada should be commended for their *efforts*, even when they end up failing.
If it weren't for VoS and QCX and their respective leaders, I might not have the stash of crypto that I have today. So for that alone, thanks Gerald for the effort. Condolences to those that cared for him.
Edit: [Coindesk reports Global Affairs Canada appears to confirm Cotten's death in India](https://www.coindesk.com/quadrigacx-crypto-exchange-users-say-they-still-cant-get-their-money-out)
Still don't believe it, contact [Global Affairs Canada](https://www.international.gc.ca/gac-amc/contact-contactez/index.aspx?lang=eng) yourself.
I don't know too much about QCX and condolences to the CEO's family.
I agree with You in part. It seems that most of our Canadian bitcoin companies start out with good intentions like most companies and they should be commended for their efforts at that time. The challenging part is when to start labeling them scams. In the case of ezbtc You can really see the downward spiral about 10 months ago and since it hasn't looked pretty. Of course we all want to do well, but that doesn't mean You turn your company into a ponzi scheme which is what seems to be happening at ezbtc. As an example, it's like the guy helps several women get off the street and you end up marrying one of them, but later that guy end up raping your wife. I'm not so sure you would commend that individual. You would be the equivalent of the person that is owed money by dave in a sense. It seems that many lives have been ruined through ezbtc
It is clear that Bernie Madoff didn't set up his company to rip off people from day one, but what happened afterward was devastating. Same thing seems to be happening to ezbtc. We the spectators are irrelevant and of course those people that are owed money are unlikely to agree with You. They are all that matters and we need to support them as a Canadian crypto community. There is a lot of pain going on inside ezbtc's exchange (as evidenced though their exchange chatroom) and so many people have gotten hurt. It's really SAD.
>You can really see the downward spiral about 10 months ago and since it hasn't looked pretty. Of course we all want to do well, but that doesn't mean You turn your company into a ponzi scheme which is what seems to be happening at ezbtc.
Again, what evidence do you have it is a *ponzi scheme* as opposed to a failing, unregulated MSB?
You've been drinking Ron and P0ly's kool-aid. Believing bullshit rather than thinking it through, rationally.
>As an example, it's like the guy helps several women get off the street and you end up marrying one of them, but later that guy end up raping your wife.
Jesus Christ what is wrong with you. It is *nothing* "like" raping anyone's wife.
>It is clear that Bernie Madoff didn't set up his company to rip off people from day one, but what happened afterward was devastating.
He was convicted and is serving 150 years in prison. *If* Dave is up to all the things you and others allege he is, he will get his too, eventually. But a bunch of anonymous people claiming all sorts of shit on reddit that cannot be confirmed is *not* the way to make that happen. People need to file their claims and pile the legal pressure on Smillie. People need to remain diligent and patient. It is the silent and tenacious ones that will hold him responsible, not the fucking *noise* being spewed all over r/BitcoinCA.
David Smillie is going to be charged by the RCMP for scamming someone for 50k and paying with bouncing checks. He just sold his flat, but it's not even 40% of his liabilities. His mom has lots of assets but not him. https://legalbeagle.com/6581679-canadian-laws-bad-checks.html
lol this couldn't have been to anyone.
“The annual mortality rate in Crohn's disease was 1.6% compared with 1.0% in age, sex, and practice matched controls.”
“Only very rarely will a patient die from complications of Crohn's disease. Infection and cancer are the principal causes of death.”
“Life expectancy with Crohn's disease should not be a concern. This disease doesn't directly affect life expectancy.”
I am saying the possibility of dying is significantly low for crohns disease, which is the claimed reason for the death. So statistically this couldnt have been anyone. this could be only 2 people out of 100.
Lol his company owes people millions. you must be deteched from reality if you were owed from this scumbag im sure you wouldnt be paying your respects from him dying at a convenient time while his company is going down and people are starting to wonder where the fuck the money is
You fail to understand what is important in life.
You are too emotional.
It is never a convenient time to die.
Stop being dismissive to the current situation, if you think dying is funny, take your immature attitude elsewhere.
He died a month ago and the company waits till now to announce it. they were suppose to announce where everyones money is instead they announce this. so please inform yourself of the situation before trying to act smart. His company is so shady
You clearly need to be reminded that this is unregulated space in Canada. Operate at your own risk. These are not *banks* you are dealing with, you are afforded no protections on such volatile and speculative investments.
If you don't like it, your other option is to keep your fucking money in the bank, where it is "safe", and wait for regulations to be implemented by the Canadian government to protect the ignorant masses. Sure, you'll be missing out on all those gains in the meantime, but you don't get to reap the rewards while adopting *no* risk.
Dude, these are exchanges we are talking about, not friggin' investments. You are confusing two different issues.
Exchanges are a marketplace where you either buy or sell for an agreed price. What you believe will happen with the price is your business. You can Nostradamus the shit out of this, but future price has fuck all to do with the exchange. Don't confuse these exchange operators with luminaries, innovators, etc... This ain't elon friggin musk or tomas friggin edison were talkin' bout.
Horseshit! Exhanges are out there to skim off of your transactions. Some of them get greedy and forget that customer deposits aren't supposed to be used to buy blow, a new BMW, and play online poker, or worse, speculate and attempt arbitrage trading with witheld customer deposits. This is literally wagering with other peoples money without their consent. Canadians are sitting ducks because we've got an ineffective and slow court system, lazy / partial enforcement of laws, and a trusting population that allows scammers to thrive. Imagine how crypto scammers would be dealt with in China.
Let's say you want to buy your kid a swing set off your neighbor. You go to your neighbor's place, agree on a price and pay the guy. You expect to take the swingset home to your kid, instead, the guy boots you off the property and accuses you of trespassing, you call him an asshole and tell your neighbors what a friggin scumbag he is. "Don't try to buy that swingset, your gonna get burned", you warn your other neighbors. The next thing you know he orders a restraining order and threatens to sue you for character defamation. He accuses you of damaging his ultra-lucrative swingset selling business. Ringing any bells? Give me my swingset you motherfucker! Only in Canada does the thief have such privileges. We have created a paradise for sociopaths.
Having the fiat price of bitcoin fall is bad luck, but it's way different than being scammed into a sale by a con artist advertising firm withdrawal timelines and then having your savings trapped while they are at the horse races pretending to be nobility. Meanwhile your kid is crying because you promised him a swing but you are broke.
BTW, assuming Cotten's death is factual, condolences on a tragic loss of a young and bright man. When you take a look at the votes next to each comment on this thread and you will see skepticism about this news. The orphanage part was what pushed me over, kind of too much. Where are the details of this new orphanage? How could such a great philanthropist, and brilliant young CEO die without generating a single headline for over a month? Remember that this was not recent news for Quadriga, the timing of this announcement was up to them to decide. Of course, being Canadians, we are low-class scumbags to even question this news, and I suppose there is an expectation that customers spend the next couple of weeks in mourning instead of filing lawsuits.
>Dude, these are exchanges we are talking about, not friggin' investments.
So first, look up the definition of the word *investment*.
Second, yes. We are talking about *unregulated* cryptocurrency exchanges, which offer *unregulated* assets for people to *invest* their hard earned money. Until the Canadian government *regulates exchanges and the assets they offer*, you are *not* protected, you are taking a risk by choosing to do business with *any* cryptocurrency exchange. The onus is *entirely on you* to do whatever background work is necessary to confirm if a business is legitimate, and only once you are convinced should you consuder sending money.
>You are confusing two different issues.
I'm not confusing anything. Feel free to check my post history on the topic of ezBTC and David Smillie. Failing cryptocurrency exchange business aside, I *don't* believe this guy is a "criminal". People open businesses and crash and burn in a blazing trail of disgruntled customers everyday. This just happens to take the form of a cryptocurrency exchange where a bunch of ignorant people *decided* to give him their money in hopes that *investment* would increase in value.
Look at the people that come here to bitch and whine about being owed money by David Smillie. They are mostly young and ignorant of the assets they are investing in. Many became freelance crypto 'traders' on localbitcoins - a risky decision to say the least - and then they throw a fit and attack the CEO of their *selected* cryptocurrency exchange when they can't keep up with their own *unregulated* business.
How many of those people do you think read through the [terms of service](https://www.ezbtc.ca/docs-public/terms)? How many of them are aware that they basically agreed to allow ezBTC to withhold funds (both fiat and crypto) from any client, at any time, for any reason whatsoever? It's there in black and white and you all checked the *I agree* box when you registered to the platform and provided them all your KYC info.
Who is *responsible* for agreeing to these terms?
>Exchanges are a marketplace where you either buy or sell for an agreed price. What you believe will happen with the price is your business. You can Nostradamus the shit out of this, but future price has fuck all to do with the exchange.
Herein lies the point of *your* confusion. I agree. The exchange has nothing to do with price. And they also are under no obligation to pay their customers on *the customers terms*, the customers agreed to the *exchanges* terms.
So all these people bitching a whining about how their frozen assets *could* have been sold earlier, at a profit, are debating pointless hypothetical scenarios. Yes, in a perfect world with efficiently regulated exchanges, who experience little to no obstruction moving money within the current financial system framework - customers would be right to seek litigation to compensate them for losses. However, that is not the world we live in, and these exchanges remain unregulated, and will continue to operate this way until 2020 at the earliest.
Until then, people have few options. Suck it up, learn a lesson and move on if the amount isn't worth filing a claim in your respective provincial court of law.
>Don't confuse these exchange operators with luminaries, innovators, etc... This ain't elon friggin musk or tomas friggin edison were talkin' bout.
I'll pass on whatever point your trying to make here.
>Horseshit! Exhanges are out there to skim off of your transactions.
You mean just like every *other* business or service on the planet?!?
Yes, their entire business model operates on the requirement of fees charged for funds exchanged. Fees in exchange for a *service*. If you don't like their service go meet some sketchy former pot-dealer and exchange cash for crypto if you like.
>Some of them get greedy and forget that customer deposits aren't supposed to be used to buy blow, a new BMW, and play online poker, or worse, speculate and attempt arbitrage trading with witheld customer deposits.
Ah, I see...you've gone down that Smillie-hating rabbit hole where he is accused of everything under the sun from gambling to drug addiction and alleged "exit scams" and "ponzi schemes". Why the fuck did he come home to Canada from Lithuania? How the fuck did he get back in the country? Maybe it's because he's done nothing illegal...yet.
But sure, he's just there pissing away customer funds, YOLO-ing his way into further debt owed to clients. Believe whatever floats your boat buddy.
While you're right that people *shouldn't* be operating that way, but alas, who are the authorities they should be reported to? Remember, unregulated, *not yet* a Money Service Business, you agreed to *their* terms. Sounds like you're shit out of luck.
You have absolutely ZERO proof of the things being alleged against him. Gambling and doing blow on the client's dime?!? How do you know he isn't gambling and buying blow with his *own* money?
Are we learning lessons yet?
>This is literally wagering with other peoples money without their consent.
Drop it. Just because you didn't know *what* you consented to, doesn't mean you didn't consent. Also, you have absolutely no proof of those allegations. The only substantial evidence I've seen against him is *promises* made, and not kept. Where does it say in those terms of service that all of David Smillie's "promises" will be fulfilled within 5 business days?
>Canadians are sitting ducks because we've got an ineffective and slow court system, lazy / partial enforcement of laws, and a trusting population that allows scammers to thrive.
No. Again. It is Un-fucking-regulated. You have to be patient and wait for *regulation*. However if you are impatient and suffering FOMO, you necessarily assume the risks of operating in the space. The government has warnings all over the place (https://www.canada.ca/en/financial-consumer-agency/services/payment/digital-currency.html#toc4), (https://globalnews.ca/news/4615439/sask-government-warning-public-about-the-risks-of-using-cryptocurrency/), (https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/osc-cryptocurrency-warning-1.4669010). It's almost as if the people getting scammed are *ignorant* of what thy're fucking doing.
>Imagine how crypto scammers would be dealt with in China.
Irrelevant, we do *not* live *in China*.
>Let's say you want to buy your kid a swing set off your neighbor...
Yep. That's the logic employed by most of Smillie's "victims". Has anyone actually called his bluff?!? I mean, P0ly was on here unloading all Dave's "dirty laundry" by showing screencaps of text messages. He claimed he eventually got paid, but I have no idea because I chose to block him along with mondejoe1,2 and 3.
Now people are *accusing* ezBTC of illegally identifying their customers by their reddit names. Fucking morons. If you post a bunch of info on reddit about your history with ezBTC, yes, they are capable of connecting the dots and figuring out which of their customers is engaging in a campaign of bad press on reddit.
[u/ambivalentasfuck is *not* wrong.](https://coiniq.com/bitcoin-and-cryptocurrency-laws-in-canada/#Canadas_Crypto_Catch-22)
Your assessment of QuadrigaCX as "shady" has no bearing on why they are still permitted to operate in Canada, while other *actual* scam ICOs were/are being shut down.
Furthermore, it was reported that while QuadrigaCX was not *registered* with FINTRAC, that they *were* "voluntarily complying" with the requirements.
>Only in Canada does the thief have such privileges. We have created a paradise for sociopaths.
You must be young. You've grown up in an environment of over-protective parents and haven't been adequately prepared for the world outside. The same groups of over-protected and coddled minds that are now demanding safe spaces and trigger warnings in Universities. You have no context of the time and place you live in, what *privileges* you have been afforded, and taken for granted.
All effective *governments* are typically *slow* to act on paradigm shifting things. Canada has a very secure financial sector, one of the most secure on the planet, one that weathered the 2008 recession where other countries folded. Compared to the States where they are axing regulations wherever they can, merely paving the way to yet another collapse, another bail-out, and yet another recession.
If you are too quick to force regulations and adopt rules that simply cripple the emerging industry, then you're taking a step backwards while other countries proceed with caution. It is all about striking a balance between regulating and quashing the new industry, or allowing it to flourish despite the risks to ignorant masses. Once it becomes obvious which regulations are needed to protect investors but will not stunt the development and innovation, well then you need to get that legislation *passed*. So yes, it is slow. Once again, be patient or assume risk, period. Don't jump in head first, not knowing what you are doing, and then blame the fucking government when you hit bottom and suffer consequences. The Government has not yet deemed that spot "safe for diving" yet.
>Having the fiat price of bitcoin fall is bad luck, but it's way different than being scammed into a sale by a con artist advertising firm withdrawal timelines and then having your savings trapped while they are at the horse races pretending to be nobility.
Whatever pal. You can call it "bad luck", others on here knew it was coming because they've been watching cycles since 2010. So, you can keep looking at the situation as you being conned by a con artist, but he didn't *force* you to sign up on his platform and utilize his services. That decision is on you.
I agree, ignorant people need to be protected. Regulations are needed, but they aren't coming soon.
>Meanwhile your kid is crying because you promised him a swing but you are broke.
I've heard lots of sob stories from people that didn't know what they were doing. I sympathize with them, but there is a *reason* they became victims where others did not.
So to circle back around to this over-idealistic generation of hypersensitive children. Do you think everything should be equal? I mean, you seem to know all the ways *not* to run a crypto exchange, but are you willing to step up and take it on yourself? You willing to risk your reputation and savings and sanity trying to accomplish the near-impossible task of opening and operating a successful cryptocurrency exchange?
>BTW, assuming Cotten's death is factual, condolences on a tragic loss of a young and bright man. When you take a look at the votes next to each comment on this thread and you will see skepticism about this news.
I'm quite familiar with how reddit operates and *know* that karma next to posts means jack shit, did you miss my username? Try [reading up about u/Unidan](https://www.reddit.com/r/MuseumOfReddit/comments/2m5q11/a_feast_for_crows_the_fall_of_uunidan/). The same people doubting a memo posted on QCX's official website are the same one's that were pointing to screenshots of text exchanges between p0ly and Dave Smillie claiming "indisputable proof".
There is no doubt that those most vocally critical about ezBTC are engaging in such tactics of vote manipulation. Lots of new accounts posting all sorts of garbage and being "supported" by a half-dozen others. Transparent attempts to "peddle opinions" like u/wapachu1234, just to call out one of the most recent ones added to my block list.
>The orphanage part was what pushed me over, kind of too much. Where are the details of this new orphanage?
Yes, certainly suspicious that I didn't see the news of this pop up in the International Orphanage section of the newspaper /s
>How could such a great philanthropist, and brilliant young CEO die without generating a single headline for over a month?
And yet another example of how you have no grasp of *context*. As you say, he isn't fucking Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos. It *isn't* news to anyone outside the Canadian Crypto Community. Spend a little more time here on r/BitcoinCA, and you have a good sense how 'big' that community is.
>Remember that this was not recent news for Quadriga, the timing of this announcement was up to them to decide. Of course, being Canadians, we are low-class scumbags to even question this news, and I suppose there is an expectation that customers spend the next couple of weeks in mourning instead of filing lawsuits.
No, go ahead and file your lawsuit. This is your *only* recourse when being owed money from an **unregulated cryptocurrency exchange**. You *can* offer condolences while simultaneously serving them with papers. I don't think anyone would expect you to simply "drop the case" because the CEO died.
I believe you have a point to correct here?
Who doesn't seem to know what now?!?
Maybe you two should spend more time *reading* and less time *speculating*.
Now I remember why I had you two blocked. Not a useful or informative comment in your history.
No. u/ambivalentasfuck is correct.
Currently, cryptocurrency exchanges registering with FINTRAC *can* register as MSBs, but only for *services* that are *currently* regulated by FINTRAC, such as foreign currency exchange. So those exchanges that trade fiat for crypto that do so, are not *required* to yet.
It is more of an act in good faith, demonstrating that you intend to follow what regulations *will be* required, once all the legislation is passed. But until then, cryptocurrencies and their exchange for fiat are not *yet* one of those services. This is *why* cryptocurrency exchanges *can* operate without being "FINTRAC compliant".
>[On June 19, 2014, the Governor General of Canada gave his royal assent to Bill C-31, which includes amendments to Canada’s Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act. The new law treats virtual currencies as “money service businesses” for purposes of anti-money laundering provisions. **The law is not yet in force, pending issuance of subsidiary regulations.**](https://www.loc.gov/law/help/cryptocurrency/canada.php)
>[Because the federal government is already in pre-election mode ahead of the 2019 election, the final cryptocurrency or “virtual currency” regulations have effectively been put on hold, leaving the current regulatory regime in place until well into 2020, as there is an additional 12-month period after publication for any new regulations to take effect.](https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/canada-delays-regulation-cryptocurrencies-and-blockchain-companies/)
Technically, You are correct, but almost all of the exchanges are registered as an MSB under FINTRAC. They are already playing by the rules (for FINTRAC) anyways. Let's see how the Federal Rules and Regulations plays out for this or next year. The Canadian players are heading in the right direction and for the most part wish to self regulate for the time being. A lot better than most countries.
He is NOT talking about regulations and/or compliance. Your talking point really has no bearing here. What wapachu1234 is saying is that QCX should have announced the passing of its ceo a month ago, but instead is playing politics. That is disturbing. This has nothing to do with an unregulated space.
I wish that people could really be focused and discuss what the real points are. In the end, though, condolences to his family. Really hope that they will find peace without him - Just wished that QCX could have done the same by announcing and making a beautiful statement a month ago (If in fact the person passed away a month ago and the announcement was made just now)
graduated from school in 2010, died 8 years later in his early thirties. This is not how a life is meant to be lived. I wonder if it was him going to India that caused the Crohn's disease or was it genetic.
It's thought to be genetic but aggravated/activated by environmental factors. If he died from it suddenly my guess is bowel rupture. Same thing happened to me 20 years ago out of nowhere and I could have died too. It's rare, but it happens.
I can only imagine it would be a terribly painful way to go, to basically bleed out internally.
It really doesn't seem improbable that he could have consumed something while travelling through India that triggered a flare-up of ungodly symptoms.
So to those assuming this is bullshit based on what stats are posted above, I will remind them that those stats probably don't apply to *India*.
Very sketchy....i used a btc atm last night and still have yet to receive my coins ..called the company today and they said she to this guys death the exchange is backed up and to be patient....somethin smells funny....and/or I'm just super paranoid about getting stiffed