The study presents an analysis of the current smoking prevalence among hospitalized patients with COVID-19 in China, compared to the population smoking prevalence in China (52.1% in males and 2.7% in females). We identified 6 studies examining the cl...
It's sad, but I wish more users would read this and the important posts regarding everything going on over hand checks and whatnot. I know r/vaping is generally more frivolous/light fare then some other vaping subs (or definitely ALLOWS more of that, I'm glad we are trending more technical and more in depth...), and that is all good, and I have learned to enjoy seeing what other people are using etc, and especially in this time of isolation for a lot of us, hand checks and whatnot are a welcome site to the shared issues we are all facing....
but I hope users are taking a second to actually read the stickied posts on this sub, and posts like this, ....as they truly are interesting/important, and shapes policy, and when long time users of this sub act surprised that they can't get caliburn/nova pods etc, it can get a little incredulous.
Please take a moment to read these posts, as it's unfair to others to keep having recidivist posts and not being aware of something which apparently you rely on.
thanks, and I wish everyone well, and hope all of you, and those you love, are safe, sound, and sane.
"This preliminary analysis, assuming that the reported data are accurate, does not support the argument that current smoking is a risk factor for hospitalization for COVID-19, and might even suggest a protective role."
and I have read earlier versions of this brief, as I always appreciate the work of Dr. Farsalinos.
There were earlier versions of this? I only saw one study reporting the opposite, stating the ACE2 receptors were higher on smokers and ex-smokers thus increasing the risk. But again nothing mentioned about vaping.
> There were earlier versions of this?
Yes, I actually posted Rev3 last week.. :).. and it has been revised since you posted the link... now it is on Rev10 or whatnot....
but the information regarding that smoking might "even suggest a protective role" is new to me on this..
honestly, I don't think the number of vapers in China is per capita as large as one would think considering that most of what we use comes from there.
IIRC, the govt. OWNS the tobacco companies, and like other countries who do (Japan, India etc), if i am right on that, they probably strongly encourage smoking (like india and japan and others..)..
and with the pandemic, the "smoking" data probably seemed more important to include then vaping... and who knows what data the Chinese do and do not include/share etc you know?
I seriously doubt the statement that smoking might actually perform a "protective" role in this on it's prima facie level, but don't know... I am not a doctor or analyst of these things...
I've read somewhere that percentage of smokers amongst patients are less than that of the general population but that's hardly a conclusive evidence.
I've also read that if you do get COVID 19 as a smoker you're much more susceptible to have complications since we smokers have already fucked our throats and lungs.
I just went through this paper. While I can't say I'm convinced I won't say that the paper is wrong. I definitely don't know enough about this to have a definitive answer. Let's see if they get it in a good journal.
Everyone knows that smoking kills. What most are blind to: The potential medicinal and therapeutic properties of nicotone. It's a plant, like marijuana is a plant. Smoking marijuana can harm the lungs, too, but we don't complain when cancer patients are prescribed joints. This is a discussion on available study of smokers with COVID-19 versus non-smokers with COVID-19 that is worthy of discussion because it could lead to greater discoveries. Simple nuff. Don't smoke, but think smart.
I’d be interested to know if there are are any related mechanisms to a similar association seen with smoking and lower incidence of Ulcerative colitis.
Studies involving tobacco use and ulcerative colitis have suggested that nicotine can decrease cytokine activity in the bowel. Being that we are observing therapeutics able to control cytokines and inflammation seems to improve outcomes in those with COVID-19, perhaps there’s a connection, e.g. nicotine decreases cytokine activity in the lungs and protects against more inflammation induced damage?
Hm, they cite another paper showing that nicotine downregulates ACE2. That’d be ironic if it’s true.However they also point out that Chinese men >70yo are less likely to be smokers, so there may be an age confound, and also there’s a possible confound of smoking rates being different in health care workers. This was a fairly crude analysis that didn’t control for any other factor at all.
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Similar studies also showed you could prevent being infected with the virus by banding together in large groups and travelling around so the viral particles can't travel through the air past you, and breathing and coughing directly into each other's faces so the the amount of uninfected air dilutes the infected air and the virus can't take hold.
So when you look at the overall number of smokers, it's relatively low. However, the amount of smokers/ex-smokers in serious/critical condition is much closer to that 30% figure. Which is REALLY bad when you figure only 10% of patients are smokers/ex-smokers.
Also, they saw something similar with SARS. They did a follow up study where they controlled for a bunch of factors and found out that it was skewed data, not that smoking protected you. One of the controls was removing doctors/nurses from the total number because they're rarely smokers.