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Andrew Miller - @socrates1024
3 weeks ago
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gov_nor
3 weeks ago
I keep seeing this truck plastered all over reddit. Do people actually WANT one of these things? Sure, if it was cheap I could understand it, but for way less than $77k you could have a bad ass Jeep or something else off road capable. Something you could drive cross country without having to worry if you can find a place to plug it in. I'm sorry, but this vehicle is hideous. If I see you driving one I will think you are a complete idiot. I won't tell you that, but I will be thinking it.
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ohbugger
3 weeks ago
I just can't see the practicality of towing a trailer with an EV. Not a hater at all, but your range would be destroyed. I guess if you only go to locations within maybe... 100 miles max of your home?
As a city-slicker myself, this whole truck world is all relatively new to me, but 10mpg while towing is something I quickly had to adjust to.
I imagine 300 mile range on the aerodynamic EVs becomes 100 miles while towing a giant square box.
If you are the type of camper that goes to sites with power/water, I suppose you can get to a site within range and charge overnight.
If you are into off-grid camping, you need to get there and back on a charge or wait for a full charge close to arrival or soon after leaving which sounds like a major bummer.
If however you want a cool/weird truck that stays around town, then this works well.
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Lord_Dreadlow
3 weeks ago
That 10 square foot windshield and top glass are at the perfect angles for catching hail stones.
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wilnel
3 weeks ago
how is the Rivian going, is it becoming vaporware...lol I know at the price they said they wanted to make seemed impossible but I like the look of it.
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imlookingataspider
3 weeks ago
Am I the only one who thinks it looks like a car from a PS1 game when graphics were more pointy?
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Fake_account27
3 weeks ago
The payload and towing specs are really good, as is the range, and frankly the price compared to other trucks.
It's still ugly though.
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tongboy
FT - 07 Tiffin Bus 3 weeks ago
The seats are what get me. They are sports car seats. Not big comfy truck seats designed to eat highway miles.
My back already hurts
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s5fs
'94 Cherokee, '02 Suburban 3 weeks ago
Teslas are cool but they're still city kid toys imo. I live outside of Portland, Oregon and there are no superchargers in my county, so I'd either have to drive an hour into Portland to get a full charge quickly, or plug in at home and wait it out. Based on the limited number of superchargers, one has to plan longer trips around where to charge, which is manageable but still a minor inconvenience for now. Anyways, it's cool to see the prices getting more reasonable and I'm warming up to the idea of an EV but I still can't see it as the only vehicle in the family, gas/diesel still offers a ton of convenience.
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DRUNKTENNIS
arctic fox 22g 3 weeks ago
so its 77k for the max range/autopilot edition.. whats this 500 miles going to look like when my route has multiple mountain passes and the temp is 5F. will I realistically be able to recharge without unhitching? where am I going to park the trailer when I have to drive into some parking garage to recharge
all those headaches when I can just pick up a stretched megacab for 55k? http://stretchmytruck.com/for-sale/
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tongboy
FT - 07 Tiffin Bus 3 weeks ago
I want to know what mileage looks like at tow capacity.
because we know what a heavily loaded diesel gets @ max capacity - it still gets to the next station ~350 miles away with the AC blowing cold.
Now if we could do that whole battery pack swap thing... that would be badass with these
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DRUNKTENNIS
arctic fox 22g 3 weeks ago
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-x-range-impact-towing/
based on this data it doesn't look promising
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tongboy
FT - 07 Tiffin Bus 3 weeks ago
Man, that's rough, and that's only a 5k payload - ratchet that up 3x and you're looking at easy sub 200 mile range - probably ~150
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419tosser
3 weeks ago
Autopilot is included on all models - it's an extra $7k for full self driving capability which will be available... in the future
Mountain passes aren't that bad actually because you regen energy on the way down
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DRUNKTENNIS
arctic fox 22g 3 weeks ago
I included it in the base price because I wouldnt buy a tesla without it. if that self driving turns out to be awesome then thats going to be huge value.
I owned a 2017 mercedes glc43 with all the self driving features they have to offer but the self steering is garbage. it bounces around the lane like bowling with the gutters up, completely useless.
regenerative braking is really nice and Ive used it in ebikes but i feel that the amount of recharging you can expect to get out of it is almost negligible. the downhills will be easy but the uphills will be brutal
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DigitalDefenestrator
3 weeks ago
The TFL test of the Model X showed it picking up quite a bit of charge towing downhill. Not enough to match the uphill loss, but way more than negligible.
Uphill range loss was dramatic, though. "Brutal" is the right word. Regen does no good if you hit 0 before the top.
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Scizmz
3 weeks ago
Regen braking helps a lot with mountain passes. Telsa actively manages is battery temperatures. Just like with gas stations, you won't be able to pull into every recharge station, but why would you assume it's a parking garage? Yes you should be able to supercharge without unhitching. Where are you gonna park your trailer when you have to go in for oil changes? You're trying too hard to talk yourself out of why you should consider one or not. They're not for everybody, you're welcome to continue to give your family cancer as you go coal rolling down the road.
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DRUNKTENNIS
arctic fox 22g 3 weeks ago
ive never gotten an oil change in the middle of a long haul
most of the people in leadville are using engine block heaters. you really expect this truck for californians to operate at max range when its -20?
I have never seen a charging station that wasnt in a parking garage. airports, malls, ski areas. maybe I'm not looking hard enough but I pass another gas station every 20-30 miles unless im in wyoming
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CBR85
Travel Trailer 3 weeks ago
Around where I live, they are in every Highway rest stop, Wal Mart, Target, Some Grocery Stores, etc.
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tongboy
FT - 07 Tiffin Bus 3 weeks ago
They are frequent on the coasts - you see them WAY less in texas and out in the flat lands.
I certainly understand where /u/DRUNKTENNIS is coming from though - they are in ZERO way setup for a trailer - they are all parking spots designed for cars - to be space efficient. I've never seen an electric charging setup that would work with a trailer hooked up - unless you wanted to park across 5 of them and get your shit keyed.
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Scizmz
3 weeks ago
This is true, because up till now there has been no reason for any to exist. Just like when Tesla first started there weren't any chargers out there. Less than 10 years later there are thousands with more going up daily.
Personally i love the face that you can hook your trailer up to the Tesla and plug campground electric into the truck.
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unclefire
3 weeks ago
This has to be a joke. Come on. With all the swoopy curvy Tesla designs they come out with this strange angular Sci Fi movie thing?
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deck_hand
3 weeks ago
All other vehicles that Tesla made were good looking. This might be technically capable, but there is NO WAY I'd ever buy one unless someone replaced the body with a conventional pickup truck design.
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jiggeroni
3 weeks ago
I'm sorry but that truck looks sripid. Looks like some designer couldn't come up with a cool idea and saw his son playing Halo 1 and copied a Warthog
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OwlStretcher
3 weeks ago
I just want to see the trail of sewer hoses and kids' bikes erupt out of and off of the bumper the first time truck & trailer get launched to 60mph in under 3 seconds.
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maik37
3 weeks ago
Not sure what they were thinking with the look, but those specs are certainly something to stop and think!
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benagami
3 weeks ago
Pretty cool. 3500 lbs payload and 6 1/2 foot bed means a truck camper will have no problem riding in there. With all of Tesla's charging stations, this is the first viable electric RV platform.
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tongboy
FT - 07 Tiffin Bus 3 weeks ago
The weird roofline is going to mean only very specific truck bed campers will fit
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hombrent
3 weeks ago
A couple hours, some stainless tubing and a qualified welder should fix that.
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benagami
3 weeks ago
1. Welding stainless steel is very difficult. Also, it's uni body, so the steel is thin and there are no major supports to tie into.
2. The center of gravity would be too high. It would have awful handling characteristics and probably be quite dangerous.
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hombrent
3 weeks ago
Good points on the welding and unibody. Welding SS is definitely harder - that's why I said specified qualified welder. . . ;) . Without seeing a cybertruck in person and figuring out what's under the shiny shell, it's hard to really know if you could get sufficient support.
As far as the center of gravity, how would this be different than using a camper on any other truck?
On a truck camper - how much of the weight is supported by the bed walls, and how much by the bed itself ? It might not matter if the side supports are sub-optimal if all the weight and stability comes from the floor.
I don't actually know any of this stuff, i'm just enjoying talking it through and coming up with wild theories.
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djhimeh
2 weeks ago
>On a truck camper - how much of the weight is supported by the bed walls, and how much by the bed itself ?
100% bed with frame mounted tie downs.
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benagami
3 weeks ago
All weight is on the bed. The camper would be at least 2 feet higher than normal. Very dangerous.
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juiceboxzero
3 weeks ago
500 mile range, and 14,000lbs towing, but not both at the same time. Wonder how much of a hit the range takes when pulling...
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Norcan987
3 weeks ago
My friend with a Tesla car (the smaller one) can drive a bit more than 2 hours when towing his T@B RV trailer to the campground (about 1800lbs) with A/C on. The campground is a 3 hour highway drive away, so he usually stops for lunch and charges it for an hour to make it the rest of the way.
Most people won’t be towing 14,000lbs. But I’m curious what a person would get with, say, 2000 lbs being towed.
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Norcan987
Ford F150 3 weeks ago
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Range: 500+ miles
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0-60 mph acceleration: <2.9 seconds
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Towing capacity: More than 14,000 lbs
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Payload: Up to 3,500 lbs (almost the equivalent of a 2-Ton truck, or an F250)
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Box length: 6.5 feet
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Storage capacity: 100 cubic feet of exterior, lockable storage including the box, trunk, and sail pillars.
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Suspension: 4" in either direction
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2WD option (base) or AWD option for $10k more.
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Touchscreen size: 17"
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Body: Ultra-Hard 30X Cold-Rolled stainless steel.
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Seating capacity: Up to six adults
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Charging: Can be charged at home, at Destination Charging locations, and with our network of more than 14,000 Superchargers, including on our newest V3 technology, which is helpful for long hauls and towing.
Additional photos
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2020FordExplorerPlat
3 weeks ago
I put my deposit down, but never got an email back. This thing is going to rock even if you get too much unwanted attention while driving it.
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Norcan987
3 weeks ago
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Range: 500+ miles
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0-60 mph acceleration: <2.9 seconds
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Towing capacity: More than 14,000 lbs
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Payload: Up to 3,500 lbs (almost the equivalent of a 2-Ton truck, or an F250)
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Box length: 6.5 feet
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Storage capacity: 100 cubic feet of exterior, lockable storage including the box, trunk, and sail pillars.
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Suspension: 4" in either direction
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2WD option (base) or AWD option for $10k more.
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Touchscreen size: 17"
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Body: Ultra-Hard 30X Cold-Rolled stainless steel.
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Seating capacity: Up to six adults
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Charging: Can be charged at home, at Destination Charging locations, and with our network of more than 14,000 Superchargers, including on our newest V3 technology, which is helpful for long hauls and towing.
Additional photos
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Stinky_doggo
3 weeks ago
Let me correct some of these for you
Range: *up to* 500 miles
0-60 mph acceleration: *as low as* 2.9 seconds
Towing capacity: *up to* 14,000 lbs
Air Suspension: Adjusts 4" in either direction, up to 16" ground clearance
This is directly from the Tesla website. Base model (RWD) has a tow capacity of 7,500 lbs, 250+ mile range, 0-60 of <6.5 seconds, and unknown payload capacity. I would assume the payload is lower than 3500 lbs, since the specs you posted are all for their tri-motor AWD.
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mrniceguy421
3 weeks ago
What’s the range while towing? Drastically reduced I would imagine.
Additionally, depending on how heavy it is it might get tossed around a lot when towing a heavy/large/long trailer.
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tongboy
FT - 07 Tiffin Bus 3 weeks ago
> depending on how heavy
with all those batteries mounted low that thing isn't going anywhere.
That much weight mounted that low, this thing will do great in the handling department.
It will be interesting to see how it does with an empty bed though... since SO much of its weight has to be up front for payload in the rear
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HelloMyNameIsAmanda
3 weeks ago
Excellent in theory, but the numbers don't work out great, unfortunately. :( The amount of solar you'd need to recharge a battery that large in a reasonable time frame is pretty massive, and far beyond what most rigs currently carry, or would even consider reasonable to carry.
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tongboy
FT - 07 Tiffin Bus 3 weeks ago
to put it in to perspective - the model X has a 100KW battery - the truck will be about double that - an X would take 3+ days of summer with that VERY large bank to charge up from empty to full.
So if you only move once a week - and use no other power - then yes, with a massive battery bank you could recharge with solar.
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tongboy
FT - 07 Tiffin Bus 3 weeks ago
I somehow don't think that demographic is dropping 80k on an electric truck...
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oranggit
3 weeks ago
Well, number one I thought these things were around 50K. There are people dropping 35k + on a 1 ton truck to tow a fifth wheel toy hauler (RV with a built-in garage for motorcycles, ATV/UTVs) costing 50k +.
They load up the RV with solar panels and lithium batteries then they head out west to BLM lands for weeks at a time to play.
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HelloMyNameIsAmanda
3 weeks ago
If you're for sure spending weeks at each location, willing to spend the money for a huge fold-out solar array, and you're willing to make those locations within the greatly-reduced range that you'll get when towing a large travel trailer, and ok with the potential of being completely stranded by bad weather, then maybe. Some people can (and do!) make it work. But it's a narrower use case than you'd think.
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HelloMyNameIsAmanda
3 weeks ago
That's an impressive amount for an rv or a trailer... but still not the kind of scale that EV cars/trucks need to recharge in a reasonable amount of time, especially with how much power towing something that large would take. I'd encourage you to run the numbers and do the math yourself. I just know that the last time I did, I found it disappointing, though I don't have the numbers to hand right now.
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Scizmz
3 weeks ago
Yeah but then the reveal would have only been super cringe. With the window break we've gone meta.
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Norcan987
3 weeks ago
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Range: 500+ miles
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0-60 mph acceleration: <2.9 seconds
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Towing capacity: More than 14,000 lbs
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Payload: Up to 3,500 lbs (almost the equivalent of a 2-Ton truck, or an F250)
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Box length: 6.5 feet
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Storage capacity: 100 cubic feet of exterior, lockable storage including the box, trunk, and sail pillars.
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Suspension: 4" in either direction
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2WD option (base) or AWD option for $10k more.
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Touchscreen size: 17"
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Body: Ultra-Hard 30X Cold-Rolled stainless steel.
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Seating capacity: Up to six adults
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Charging: Can be charged at home, at Destination Charging locations, and with our network of more than 14,000 Superchargers, including on our newest V3 technology, which is helpful for long hauls and towing.
Additional photos
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2020FordExplorerPlat
3 weeks ago
Maybe the giant bed big enough for an ATV and the 14,000lb towing capacity?
Yes technically not a truck in my book either as it’s not a body on frame construction, just like the Honda Ridgeline, but unlike the Ridgeline this can do everything an F150 limited can do + more.
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