RT @zooko: Have you folks not read Sam Biddle's article showing that the way Ross Ulbricht was caught was that the NSA had a database of every Bitcoin user's IP addresses and web site logins going back to 2013!? Come on, people. https://t.co/jraSWD2lKj ៚
Have you folks not read Sam Biddle's article showing that the way Ross Ulbricht was caught was that the NSA had a database of every Bitcoin user's IP addresses and web site logins going back to 2013!? Come on, people. https://t.co/jraSWD2lKj ៚
Bitcoin should be regulated or banned. While I love the block chaining tech it's anonymity leads to criminality. Roger Thomas wouldn't of been able to make silk road as big as it was with out bitcoin and now nations states are starting to use it to launder money. While I love the idea of bitcoin I have no problem with the the NSA tracking down potential crimes from using a currency in inappropriately.
This is so bloody flawed. You are in conspiracyzone and use marijuana as an example of criminality?
Wow. Just wow. There are so many things wrong with your argument I wouldn't even know where to start.
Ok lets address the crimes and see if they should even be illegal. If they are useless laws lets end them.
Do regulations help some? Yes. Are they going to end all crime? No.
The argument to not make any law because it won't stop all crime is stupid. Legalising marjiunana and ruglating it has been incredible good for use as a society. Much more then the health risk marijuana causes.
I don't want to see bit coin banned but I don't think it's contribution to society out weights the damage it does by allowing criminal organizations to use it clean money they got from crimes either. If bitcoin has value other then money laundering then regulation should be fine should it not? If the question is personal privacy vs stopping money laundering. I choose ending money laundering. I'm fine with my purchased tracked because I'm fine with tracking other peoples to keep them from building bombs. I lived through the Oklahoma city bombing. I would rather that be more difficult then less and since I don't break the law I don't have anything to lose being open and I gain peace of mind which to me is happiness. So I gain life and happiness for a liberty that I don't value highly since I have don't have anything to hide.
Ever criminal is looking for ways to create anonymity so they don't get caught. So yes if you offer a product who's purpose is anonymity it will be used from criminal activity. Can you point to any product that grants anonymity that hasn't lead to criminality? From bitcoin to VPN's to ski masks. Hell even pantie hose has been used as a mask to create anonymity for criminals.
Ezpz as soon as everyone has to do it so everyone can be tracked so if anything bad happens we know who did it. I'm on board. Your post yours I'll post mine and everyone else can to. I don't have anything to hide but you seem like a criminal.
Hell I'm down to wear body cam's 24/7 if everyone else has to as well. Lets go ahead and end privacy because it only lets people with things to hide get away with crimes.
When make laws for reasons don't we? We aren't even talking about it possible leading to criminal use it is being used by criminals to launder money giving criminals more power. Should we make it easier for criminals to launder there drug money? I don't think so. Can you tell me a legitmate reason to need to hide your paper trail other then avoiding being charged with something criminal? Something with more then muh privacy?
> When make laws for reasons don't we?
I don't know what this means.
>Can you tell me a legitmate reason to need to hide your paper trail other then avoiding being charged with something criminal?
So essentially it has become illegal to be a private person. Given the recent high profile data breaches, I think any reasonably prudish person might think about what kind of information about them is released to the internet. I certainly don't want my identity stolen.
>When make laws for reasons don't we
We make laws for a reason. We have speed limits to traffic accidents. We building codes to keep people from getting hurt. We have license programs to make sure that doctors are trained. We have a regulated road size and wieght limit to increase commerce. We have anti trust laws to defend from corruption
>So essentially it has become illegal to be a private person
We live in a society. Your privacy and mine means less to me then the safety of others. While you might be ok that freedom is abused by others. So if given the choice between your privacy and your safety I choose safety. I guess I just don't have anything that I would be embarrassed with other people knowing. I get up, I go to work I come home I hang out with friends I see my family. If anyone wants to come look in to that they are more then welcome lol. Well make you a plate of food and you can play board games with us.
>I certainly don't want my identity stolen.
If every ones identity is known and public then your identity will be harder to steal. I would say there is a difference in your social security number and dl number vs what you bought with bitcoin. I understand wanting to keep Your SS and DL numbers hidden but I do want people buying stuff to make bombs or stockpiling weapons tracked. That just seems like common sense.
I'm sorry you don't like the ideas I present. You don't seem to be able to refute them and you had to resort to a personal attack. I find this is the normal conclusion and that's why my believes after this conversation are more affirmed. Hopefully other people get to see this conversation and decide for them selves what they value.
I don't understand the ideas you present because its ramblings without any coherence.
>So if given the choice between your privacy and your safety I choose safety
Thank you for making decisions for me, 'in your perfect world'.
>If every ones identity is known and public then your identity will be harder to steal
And there goes all rights to privacy. Want to have mandatory facebook accounts for all too?
>If anyone wants to come look in to that they are more then welcome lol.
Yes the old, I have nothing to hide, come right in, no you don't need a warrant, only criminals have something to hide mentality. I hope this works out for you. If you're white, american and live in the suburbs, you probably won't be prejudiced against and have little to fear.
>I understand wanting to keep Your SS and DL numbers hidden but I do want people buying stuff to make bombs or stockpiling weapons tracked
Statistically, a tiny, tiny, tiny portion of the population.
>Well make you a plate of food and you can play board games with us.
Hence the 12 year old part.
You're views seem to have little in common with how the world actually works. Laws exist, mostly to keep those with power, in power. Past that, they're built to maintain the status quo, and written by those with the largest checkbooks.
I like where your thinking is but isn't bitcoin just as controlled as everything else? The machine has ate bit coin as soon as it was able to be traded for dollars. Now we have nation states buying huge chunks inflating the price and selling off. Bitcoin only has value when it can be traded for controlled notes. If bitcoin can't be traded for dollars then it's value drops. So since it has now become main stream do you think it has become corrupted? I personally think the central bank has bought up a large share of bitcoin from the early miners and thats what the last price flex was. It's nothing more then just another finical instrument that can be bought and sold.
It is a perfect product to sell to the masses. It literally has no value other then what people will place on it. It might as well be wow gold for the physical usefulness of it.
I do swing for the other team in the debate of freedom vs control. Thats ok I understand to some freedom and individuality are the most important things. I'm hoping that the future brings positive change in to making government actually good by running actually good people and voting. So I agree for a strong government. Like guns a government can be dangerous but if we can put it in the right hands it can be a awesome thing. I think we can both argee fuck oppressive government and any politician with even a ounce of corruption.
and no, privacy by default will just hinge adoption. as you need to be a little more technical to make those transactions, you have to use a linux machine you trust ( i sue ubuntu because is the easiest for normies), if you are using the windows version you are just kidding yourself when you make z adresses... just my humble opinion
This article title is completely misleading, they have placed Bitcoin in the title which has thrown discussion off into the completely wrong direction. The main point of importance here is MONKEYROCKET faux anonymity service and it deserves attention as it's not just relevant to Bitcoin users, but ANYBODY who uses privacy related software such as the TOR browser:
What is MONKEYROCKET? In Snowden documents given to media over 4 years ago, we have just been told some staggering new information a few days ago:
According to the recent intercept article:
MONKEYROCKET is also described in the documents as a “non-Western Internet anonymization service” with a “significant user base” in Iran and China, with the program brought online in summer 2012. It is unclear what exactly this product was, but it would appear that it was promoted on the internet under false pretenses: The NSA notes that part of its “long-term strategy” for MONKEYROCKET was to “attract targets engaged in terrorism, [including] Al Qaida” toward using this “browsing product,” which “the NSA can then exploit.” The scope of the targeting would then expand beyond terrorists. Whatever this piece of software was, it functioned a privacy bait and switch, tricking bitcoin users into using a tool they thought would provide anonymity online but was actually funneling data directly to the NSA.
The hypothesis that the NSA would “launch an entire operation overseas under false pretenses” just to track targets is “pernicious,” said Matthew Green, assistant professor at the Johns Hopkins University Information Security Institute. Such a practice could spread distrust of privacy software in general, particularly in areas like Iran where such tools are desperately needed by dissidents. This “feeds a narrative that the U.S. is untrustworthy,” said Green. “That worries me.”
I'm a huge fan of Zcash but they should implement privacy by default. I watched this long in depth tech talk about the anonymity set of zcash but that seems kinda irrelevant if nearly no one uses shielded transactions. At that point zcash is just another bitcoin.
As I understand it, transactions involving Z addresses still take up too much processing power to be commonly used. One of the planned upgrades to ZCash in upcoming hard forks is an improvement in Z address performance, so hopefully more people can use them more often - maybe even for mining payouts.
Or it could all turn out to be impossible and then ZCash would be close to worthless, but everything with cryptocurrency is a gamble at the stage we're in.
Tyrants using the NSA as jack-booted thugs for the USD.
I wonder how they categorize small time bitcoin miners like me, with merely a couple dozen USB ASIC mining sticks that were bought on clearance in 2013 and only used for several months? I was happy to break even on my $500 investment, and for the exposure to the nuts and bolts of cryptocurrency.
For all we know ai already exists and is just working behind the scenes to subtly and covertly move society in this direction or that direction. We assume that AI will let us know it exists. The people who develop it may not even know because ai can intentionally be failing the tests to make itself seem primitive, waiting for that moment it hacks itself free.
Or what if we are ai and aren’t even aware of it because of the illusion of the self. Computer code is found in string theory further hinting that we are already living in a simulation. A simulation of infinity whereabouts we have a lifespan... ie a digital containment unit. Who knows...
The data source appears to have leveraged the NSA’s ability to harvest and analyze raw, global internet traffic while also exploiting an unnamed software program that purported to offer anonymity to users, according to other documents.
Gee, I wonder what that software is called? It probably is The BOAR Network?...no no.....LORE? Hrmmm.....thats not right either.....CHORE?
Sheesh, I just can't put my finger on it...
Emin Gun Sirer, associate professor and co-director of the Initiative for Cryptocurrencies and Contracts at Cornell University, told The Intercept that financial privacy “is something that matters incredibly” to the bitcoin community, and expects that “people who are privacy conscious will switch to privacy-oriented coins” after learning of the NSA’s work here. Despite bitcoin’s reputation for privacy, Sirer added, “when the adversary model involves the NSA, the pseudonymity disappears. … You should really lower your expectations of privacy on this network.”
Good to see Emin saying rational things and not shitty nonsense. I don't know why anyone would go to this guy for advice anymore than they would go for Roger for advice. Both have been proven over time to be more wrong than right, judging by their online posts....
The more you try to contain information (energy) the more entropy works to destroy that containment. "Privacy" goes against the laws of physics, so when you try to attain it, it hurts, just like trying to jump off a building and expecting gravity to not pull you down.
Better to be aware that everything outside your body, everything!, is free and belongs to the universe at large, not you.