RT @theintercept: Leaked documents reveal the China-based social media company has policies censoring various forms of political speech, and instructed moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor to attract new users. https://t.co/n8w3SsTVIY
This is pretty old news. TikTok used to do this last year and stopped.
The posts that I see on my "for you page", which are the posts by people whom I do not follow but are recommended by TikTok are usually;
Leftists, LGBTQ+, disabled people, people of colour, indigenous people, and socialists.
A lot of them would be considered "ugly" or "poor".
I've seen more positivity on the posts of these people, more people gassing them up, more people telling them how amazing their content is, than any negative comments.
And the negative comments get drowned out by positivity.
Obviously, it's a free app, so it's primary function is to treat the user like a product.
There are no "good" apps, in my opinion. But TikTok is way less toxic than Reddit to marginalized people in my experience.
In fact, I have to go on TikTok after I'm on Reddit so I don't go to bed angry, lol.
I'll edit this comment to change my opinion if I ever start getting the "kill yourself tr*nny" comments on TikTok that I frequently get on Reddit, which is a site that hosts the worst of humanity, and lets them congregate together and indoctrinate new recruits to the alt-right.
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Imagine living through the worst pandemic in recent history, millions of people about to be unemployed or homeless, eminent economic and social colapse, meanwhile private companies are yet again showing the ugly side of capitalism waking up thousands to the Left, making this the perfect moment for a united leftist movement to rise...
Turbulent times make for opportune moments for dastardly people to sneak past dastardly deeds.
"Chaos is a ladder" as Petyr Baelish would say.
Human attention is a finite resource and currently(and understandably), largely being diverted towards COVID-19. But times like these are exactly when bad people have more leeway to slip in(and get away with) questionable actions/legislation/decisions under the public radar.
I think in these moments, especially in these moments, we need to exercise the principles of Effective Altruism to the maximum. i.e. "What can I reasonably do to help minimize the damage from this pandemic?" and "Am I doing everything I can both IRL and online?"
If the answer to the above is 'yes', then I think it's perfectly okay to talk about TikTok and their evilness.
Besides, I think r/coronavirus will be more suited to discussions regarding that topic.
All the time? There's 1 post about the pandemic in the top 10 in this sub for the past week, there 4 about fucking Chelsea Manning, and now this one about what a useless fucking social network for kids is doing.
This sub is a joke, which isn't exactly new information, but this entire situation just showcases what the priorities of the "leftists" of breadtube are.
Ok, fair. I think you're right, there should be more discussion about COVID-19 here, but I believe it can coexist with other stuff too. As this is a video focused sub I guess that more will be posted as leftist YouTubers make videos about the pandemic, although why this article was put here I have no idea.
It just seems ridiculous, seeing such a strong anti-capitalist sentiment in random main subreddits, people are being faced with the flaws of the system that oppresses them, for as horrible as the situation is, it's also the perfect time to mobilize people to the left, and people in this sub don't seem to care.
Maybe because people here are mostly americans and it's still not as bad as in other places.
Watch Christina Ps Instagram stories. Poor and ugly people are hilarious. I owe my sense of humor to growing up with them. They don’t give a fuck because they have nothing to lose. It’s freedom really.
Yeah, the Intercept is famously a pro-capitalist source.
This is a Chinese app and the particular approach at work here is a reflection of the tastes of the Chinese market and pressures from their government. The Intercept has reported thoroughly on the greater evils of American social media companies.
Yes. And the average American isn’t buying any of the talk about the risks of TikTok because they were always told their data doesn’t matter. When their data was used as a business model for Google and Facebook they were told its fine. When their data was used by the advertising industry they were told its fine. When their data was used in the 2016 election they were told its fine. Even when their social security numbers and all of their most personal info was compromised they were told its fine- and no one was punished. But now they should be worried about an app they open that has.... memes? That they don’t even post on? That a billion people use and they find legitimately funny? *That app* is the end of the republic?
Yes it’s a complete failure of policy. Even if you’re a capitalist, it’s a failure. The market is no longer competitive. The best ideas are bought at gunpoint or killed in the crib. And no one will invest into an idea in the segment regardless of how good it is so there’s no other viable path forward for anyone anyway.
The part no one is saying is the reason no one’s wanted to stop it is because people in power are either paid to benefit or hope to use it in their own interests. They all lied to themselves that it’s OK to have a system like this.
Well that lie is now coming to cost them. TikTok is here and hugely popular. And the average American doesn’t care - because they’ve been told not to care. And even if they are a bit more educated, what will they think? [That this meme app is somehow worse than an app that was used to commit the Myanmar genocide](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/technology/myanmar-facebook-genocide.amp.html)? [That this meme app is somehow worse than an app that was used to perpetuate segregation](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/28/hud-charges-facebook-with-housing-discrimination/)? [That this meme app will be used to unwittingly put them in a social experiment and make them personally unhappy](https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/28/facebook-manipulated-689003-users-emotions-for-science/)? Yeah that argument will fly.
To be fair China runs a pretty efficient form of state capitalism. The government are nominally Communist, but in practice they invest heavily in markets and their social welfare systems are seriously lacking.
"Just another 30 years of profit then we'll switch over to real communism I swear" says Xi
China is the singlest greatest threat to American hedgemony. I'm no fan of the West, being indigenous myself, but America in charge is a hell of a lot better than having China in charge. A severely flawed republic with lip service to equity and equality is better than a blatantly authortiarian, fascist state.
You’re getting downvoted even though we see how shitty America is compared to China now during the crisis. Plus I can’t believe people are saying a country that is literally founded on genocide and slavery is better than China.
The problem with that view is that it fails to include the imperialism that is absolutely central to the American state. Make no mistake, I’d much rather live in the US than in China. But it isn’t about me or my comforts. It’s about the literal hundreds of millions of people that have been oppressed by the US. All the democratically elected governments they’ve overthrown and established dictators in. All the mining and the resource extraction carried out by American companies at the behest of the government. The millions of people killed in pointless wars. Is China better? Well, I don’t think of China was the top dog for the past several decades, the world would be better. But that is no excuse for America. The hegemony of the US needs to go, and China is one of the several ways to make sure that happens.
> Is China better? Well, I don’t think of China was the top dog for the past several decades, the world would be better. But that is no excuse for America. The hegemony of the US needs to go, and China is one of the several ways to make sure that happens.
You're not being fair here at all. They didn't say "the US is good because China is bad", which is exactly what you're making it out like they said in the above quote.
They explicitly stated that the US is severely flawed, but a much better controller of power than China. You didn't argue against this at all, you just strawmanned.
As an aside:
> The hegemony of the US needs to go, and China is one of the several ways to make sure that happens.
What on earth does this mean? You think empowering China to take the place of US on the world stage is a good idea? lmao zedong
And when America goes and China is back up, what happens? People like me die. LGBT rights? Gone. Feminism? Gone. Modern medical science? Replaced by the Voodoo bullshit Xi is trying to promote. Fuck off with your privileged bullshit, you haven’t a clue what goes on in China.
That just makes him more insidious. In China we read about his promotion of TCM on a regular basis, trying to elevate it to the same level as “Western Medicine”, as if scientific knowledge has allegiances.
Haha, that's fucking stupid. Instead of Banana republics and pointless wars in the middle east, it's the resources of Africa raped from the land and their people subjugated. It's not an excuse for current imperialism, it's the danger of future imperial. Especially given their track record of ethnic cleansing of their muslim and non-han peoples, what makes you think China will act more humanely than the US has, given their current policies?
Their genocides? Their invasions of other countries sovereign waters in the south china sea? Their complete and total invasion of their citizen's privacy?Their theft of African soil? Their blatant assassination of common citizens? Their shameless autocracy?
Don't come back with a whataboutism about America, I make no apologies for them. China is a country which does not deserve to guide the world's policies. It's not the fault of the Chinese people, mind you, it's entirely the fault of the fascist regime in charge.
In all fairness, China would most certainly act the same, if not worse, if they could. In fact, that's what they're attempting to do right now, indebting African goverments and exploiting their resources, the same way the western neo-colonialists did(and do). You shouldn't get bogged down in thinking "The Enemy is the US", instead of thinking "The Enemy is Imperialism and Capitalism". It does not make any difference to the dead and the miserable if the imperialists are Americans or Chinese.
If you can’t be bothered to give a damn about the most deprived people in the world in Africa and Asia, why are you a fucking leftist then? The migratory workers clogging up the world’s biggest rail network every year, the 农民工, would certainly benefit from an abolition to the near-feudal system of Hùkǒu that ties them to their land and away from social mobility. But ok, it’s America that’s the biggest problem.
Tell that to the people fleeing actual dictatorships. It might not matter to your privileged ass on the top quadrant of the global wealth scale, but it matters to the literal slave laborers who are abducted off the streets for filing complaints in China. It matters to Muslims in camps. It matters to people dying from traditional Chinese medicine peddled by the CCP. Tell them that America is just as bad as China. Fuck off.
> it matters to the literal slave laborers who are abducted off the streets for filing complaints in China. It matters to Muslims in camps. It matters to people dying from traditional Chinese medicine peddled by the CCP. Tell them that America is just as bad as China. Fuck off.
What about the slave labourers in the US? What about the people dying in the US due to the absurdly high cost of medical care?
It’s simple, really. In a world dominated by the US, democracy and welfare survives somewhere in the world. There’s a place in American hegemony for that. And at least they call Pinochet a bastard, “our bastard” or not. They are at least on some level guided by the principles of humanism. Chinese hegemony has no place for democracy.
Maybe start with gay marriage? Or is minority rights just western decadence to you? People like me who don’t fit in in China find Europe and even America to be much more accepting of us. I feel far more at home here in Britain than I was where I grew up, just because I’m feminine and have uncommon interests. Imagine what it would be like for people with actual characteristics they can’t change. It seems to me like a lot of western leftists can’t see beyond their borders and their Eurocentric worldview, where America has to play the supervillain, but there’s plenty more fascism to be found in China, and it intends on spread that fascism all over the world. It has made puppet states of Pakistan and Bangladesh, and is intent on exerting its influence all over the world. Even here in Britain I feel Chinese influences creeping in like an eldritch abomination. So don’t you tell me America is just as bad as China, you sound like Assad.
If the business model requires moderation that cannot be supplied, then it’s a flawed business model.
It’s like saying “it was just easier to dump this waste into the river instead of properly disposing of it.”
Just because it’s digital, that shouldn’t give them a pass from cleaning up their own mess.
Thought this was going to be an overblown piece on AI and algorithms unwittingly optimizing for the wrong things, but the headline is pretty accurate. On how moderators choose content to recommend to people in the “For You” section (not a user — I assume this is something highlighted to users):
Under this policy, TikTok moderators were explicitly told to suppress uploads from users with flaws both congenital and inevitable. “Abnormal body shape,” “ugly facial looks,” dwarfism, and “obvious beer belly,” “too many wrinkles,” “eye disorders,” and many other “low quality” traits are all enough to keep uploads out of the algorithmic fire hose.
A TikTok spokesperson seems to confirm they are real guidelines, but won’t confirm how they were used.
TikTok spokesperson Josh Gartner told The Intercept that “most of” the livestream guidelines reviewed by The Intercept “are either no longer in use, or in some cases appear to never have been in place,” but would not provide specifics.