How do you know that the trolls are incels? If we absolutely have to shove le evil incels in there somewhere, then it seems more likely that it's the men who need pay women to whisper into their ears who best fit the bill. Clearly, if you wanted a woman to do that to you, and you were able to get one, you wouldn't need to pay for it.
> seems more likely that it's the men who need pay women to whisper into their ears who best fit the bill.
Sounds like an incel to me.
Figures the "Not an incel btw" guy would jump into this thread to defend them like always.
You said you're not an incel and gave the dumbest arbitrary requirement to be one that you claim excluded yourself, so if you're totes not an incel, why do you constantly jump into every conversation about them desperately defending them with all your might? If you're not an incel but I am according to your definition, why must you Chadsplain the topic for me when I can clearly handle myself without you playing white Knight to us "true" incels.
> why do you constantly jump into every conversation about them desperately defending them with all your might
That's just what we SJWs do.
> If you're not an incel but I am according to your definition
It's not my definition, I would prefer another definition, perhaps one about being unable to find a relationship partner rather than just a sex partner. The definition I presented was coined by actual researchers from Georgia State University.
At the old "well if you look at the text book definition of a Nazi, they were X and Y and I'm clearly not X and Y, I'm just looking out for the future of white children"
>That's just what we SJWs do.
Incels believing they are SJWs is about as insane as a race realist claiming they want what's best for Black people.
I'm going to respond one last time, out of good will, even though I know you can't be reasoned with.
You have your fantasy good vs evil picture of the world, and every time you come across some information that can't perfectly fit that picture, you ignore it and instead just reiterate how the things would look if they did perfectly fit. Then you assert that as the truth.
"That dude doesn't have incels in his 'evil' bracket, and yet he claims he's not an incel? Sorry, the only explanation is that he's in the 'evil' bracket with them. What's more, he posts on the subreddit that I know is 100% incels (because it's either 100% or 0, and it can't be 0), so he must be lying about not being an incel."
"He says that you don't have to be incel to acknowledge and fight problems incels face just as you don't have to be gay to acknowledge and fight problems gay people face? Is he seriously trying to compare a group from the 'evil' camp to the group from the 'good' camp? That doesn't make any sense."
"Some researchers have said that 'involuntary celibacy' means 'involuntary celibacy'? That's absolutely ludicrous, because it would mean I'm an incel, and yet incels are all in the 'evil' camp while I'm in the 'good' camp. Conclusion: the definition is bullshit."
"The dude that I'm now sure is an evil incel says he wants to oppose racism? That clearly can't be, because anti-racists are good, and he's an incel, so he's evil. If anything, he's probably a race realist, an alt-righter, and a Nazi, because he's in the 'evil' bracket right with them, and all the people there are basically the same."
"So supposedly it's likely that a lot of men who pay women to produce vaguely sexual content for them are involuntary celibates? That's incel talk and a lie, because the guy who said it is an evil incel liar. Besides, it would mean that the good guys in this conflict are evil incels, and they can't be both good and evil, so they're not incels. Got 'em!"
I think you get the point. Or rather, I think you still don't and never will.
> You have your fantasy good vs evil picture of the world, and every time you come across some information that can't perfectly fit that picture, you ignore it and instead just reiterate how the things would look if they did perfectly fit. Then you assert that as the truth.
Gonna have to ask for examples now. Please show me any good or evil black and white statements I just made in this argument. I said you incels are disgusting, that has nothing to do with good or evil. You're clearly self centered sexist entitled pigs with freaking insane beliefs, but it stems from very normal psychological problems that every human can fall victim to and can easily be helped with therapy. You're no more evil than I am, you're just a piece of garbage to other people which makes me have no value for your life or give you moral consideration until you change your ways, upon which all will instantly be forgiven.
You are the one working in black and white world views and can't even engage anything I said without strawmanning me horribly.
>"The dude that I'm now sure is an evil incel says he wants to oppose racism? That clearly can't be, because anti-racists are good, and he's an incel, so he's evil. If anything, he's probably a race realist, an alt-righter, and a Nazi, because he's in the 'evil' bracket right with them, and all the people there are basically the same."
You're not even trying to understand what I said, that wasn't even in the same ballpark. You're just straight up making up an argument to combat.
>I think you get the point. Or rather, I think you still don't and never will.
Again ironically said by the incel who literally can't even be honest enough to properly restate my position. I've had enough of you people poisoning this subreddit anyway and am just going to block all of you. Enjoy your pity party and feel free to strawman my argument further since you apparently cannot reason your way around it without it.
Hey, I see you also regularly post in the braincels subreddit. Isn't that wishful thinking? I find it very hard to believe you're too smart to find a girlfriend with the ignorance that you just displayed.
Maybe take your stupid false world views somewhere people will give a shit and play the pity party game with you. You're not going to find any sympathy here.
Try reading my posts there, you insecure loser. Only time I commented was when a user killed himself. I love how all you have to do is see the name braincels and you get so mad because you're such a miserable piece of shit. Grow the fuck up.
You post all day everyday, get a fucking life.
How would you know he killed himself if you didn't go there regularly? I guess the people in all the other incel subreddits like the tears one you post in must have just killed themselves also then for you to post there?
On a scale of 1-Incel how miserable would you say I am?
You have absolutely no idea what you're on about, stop embarrassing yourself
The guy who killed himself made a suicide post before he did it. Judging by his post history there's very little reason to assume he's lying, he was low-key, reserved and polite, not the attention seeker type. Actually he even made a couple of posts on here before he died.
Anyway the thread about his suicide got sticked so everyone would be able to see it, you don't have to be a braincels regular to see what happened.
"Inceltears" is a board for mocking incels you blithering idiot. Just like how nice guys is a board for mocking niceguys, not a board for actual nice guys
That is like saying you can't be an incel because you post in /r/Destiny that typically hates Incels.
He went there to defend them retard. He posts in braincels and jumps to their aid just like the rest of you weird freaking cult members who act like you don't know what you're doing. This is basic gamer gate tactics here. To pretend not to be what you obviously are. You don't regularly lurk in Braincels for four months if you're not an incel or making a documentary on them.
lots of people on braincels aren't incels. and lots of people not on braincels are incels, like you
braincels is the top board on reddit, by far the best humour and spicey posts
you can't look at [this](https://old.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/985o7x/mrw_when_a_girl_tells_me_she_likes_me_and_thinks/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=user&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=frontpage) and tell me it's not a top tier meme
> lots of people on braincels aren't incels. and lots of people not on braincels are incels, like you
I already tried to explain that and much more to him. He doesn't care, he's stuck in denial. Just let him cope in his fantasy world.
Then why were you only defending or jumping to their aid there?
I'm just gonna copy and paste the other response since you're all equally delusional hive mind members and all post alike. https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/9hqspd/the_incels_at_8chan_created_a_sex_panic_about/e6fej09/?utm_content=permalink&utm_medium=api&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=Destiny
I know of a Twitch streamer who is unable to receive donations through Paypal because they used to make porn (they even tried to appeal pretty publicly and lost), so that may merely be because they were never reported. It's kinda crazy to think that you can't even make a normal income as a Twitch streamer because you used to be a sex worker years ago or whatever.
In their eyes, Porn is monitored and "kept" from the eyes of children(so everyone knows what porn intends to do) , while ASMR is "hiding sexual stuff" behind the claim that its supposed to be relaxing. So, ASMR->Malicous Intend, but yeah its retarded.
That goes both ways though, I've seen way more instances of companies being scared of outrage based on SJW hate storms, just look at the me too movement.
inb4 "UUHHHHH WHEN WE DO IT IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT"
Found the retard.
Tell me, who is defending the girl? Please show me all the hypocrisy around the metoo movement when the girl is literally having her incriminating text messages shared regularly. Also tell me how her having sex with one underage boy is comparable to dozens of women being raped and assaulted? You also realize men are a part of the metoo movement as well right? So please tell me how this movement is at all hypocritical or reply to this post admitting you're just a moron.
Looking now, I think I understand you're retarded and jump from topic to topic and you weren't calling the metoo movement hypocritical, but us "lefties" or "SJeWs" or Destiny followers. Maybe practice some sentence flow in the future. 'They' without proper context will refer to the last noun or group of people mentioned, in this case, the metoo movement.
As for your intended argument. "Muh both sides" do you think witch hunting and exposing pedophiles, Russian agents, and Nazis are the same as making up fake stories to get a person you disagree with politically fired? Or character assassination based on old posts from years ago that they apologized for and disavowed?
I know you're stupid so let me know if I need to spell it out for you how monumentally dumb that argument is.
"ASMR stands for autonomous sensory meridian response, and people who experience it describe feeling "tingles" or "brain orgasms" -- a pleasant sensation that travels from the crown of the head down the spine. "
What about an abortion doctor? Whether that's good or bad for society is based on your personal opinion, so then whether you class it as a job or a real job also depends on your personal opinion. So basically what a real job is, is simply your opinion.
I got banned from /r/asmr for calling out a blatant cam whore. All of her videos were variations of "ASMR gone sexual" and she was always begging for donations.
I feel like the asmr community, especially those who chose to mod it, only have themselves to blame for this situation. The community as a whole has done very little to discourage sexual content, and often openly supports it. By allowing more and more perverse artists, you make the entire genre seem more and more like porn.
/r/asmr is the biggest forum for the asmr genre and the mods have turned a blind eye towards videos that are clearly sexual, and ban those who call it out. Now we get articles like this when really its the community's own fault for letting the problem go unchecked.
For some people it would be. The problem with most cryptocurrencies including Bitcoin is that it's still too complicated dealing with everything as a regular non-technical person. But if you have the patience to do a couple of days of reading up, Bitcoin, Monero or Ethereum absolutely are great alternatives. There are also "stablecoins" now if you don't want the volatility - which most content creators probably wouldn't. Of course there is the problem of getting their customers (sorry, I really don't understand ASMR and don't know who pays for it) to switch to using cryptocurrencies. Many people already have paypal, but are they going to make a new account somewhere else?
People should be better protected by the law, otherwise PayPal act like they are the law.
ASMR can be erotic (not pornographic), but more than that it is MEDITATION and DISTRACTION. Noone who doesn't suffer from anxiety or insomnia will ever understand how helpful and healthy ASMR really is. I'm sick of people treating it like it would be something dirty. It is the exact opposite of it.
The law online sex trafficking law does nothing to fight sex trafficking and is vague enough to shut down anything that can be construed as "adult". Businesses are scared. Patreon has moved some of their payment processing overseas and is moving all of the payment processing for NSFW flagged creators to those platforms to avoid losing access to US processors for the rest. This is bad.
I posted about FOSTA and SESTA about five months ago when it was coming up. The post was removed from /r/Podcasting as it engendered complaints that I was using my position to push politics.
Now, I requested a quick pre-approval on a different forum that I don't control to post the same submission and never got it. As such, and since this and similar posts aren't actually partisan issues, the internal rule was removed by me.
When the first link in the chain is forged, the first voice silenced; it harms all of us in measurable ways.
Between this and Patreon flagging some LGBT creators as adult, thus removing them from search and delaying payout since the patron charges are handled in the EU, this is getting quite concerning. I also know of one podcaster who was booted from Twitter for complaining about misogyny. I'm a straight white cis man so the odds of me getting targeted are slim, but my podcast is definitely "controversial" and would be offensive to many and the very people that are getting targeted are people I try to advocate for and like to have on my show. I'm trying to avoid picking up my tin foil hat, but I can't help wonder when they're coming for me.
Did you see the think tank piece that hit big today that threw everyone on Youtube that was right of people that voted for the Green Party into the Alt-Right pit? Bernie voters, trans, PoC, Jewish, all racists and it's YouTube's fault that did it with there dirty-dirty SuperChats and Patreon support? Mother Jones and the Guardian are running with it and demanding action!
I may be confusing two things but isn't Stripe just a large credit card processor that services merchant accounts? I wouldn't surprise me that they would dabble in micropayments, though.
Stripe's ToS are the sources fo some of these sorts of stories of I recall.
They can be used for subscriptions and have a 3%+$0.30 fee for all credit card transactions. They then transfer the funds to a bank about. I can't say they would be better on principle, but since they aren't holding money the impact of those policies would be lessened.
While I'm sure some fraction of the viewer population is getting a little more out of the videos than just anxiety relief, the absolute venomous woman-hating behind the actions of those targeting the creators is just disgusting.
This sounds like it's 4chan's doing. Yes being a target of 4chan and 8chan can ruin your life. What can we do about that though? Stand up to them? Help support the ASMR creators by sending emails to PayPal letting them know the complainers are just a handful of trolls? What's my action here?
You do realize China cracked down on this a few months ago as well, right?
While the author of the article is from the left-wing politically and paints this as a right-wing attack, that's just her editorializing her biases.
It is, however, another troubling attack on content creators and one that is going after them through their income. This should worry anyone who is in any way more than a straight hobbyist.
China is insane with their censorship. They block all porn period from everyone. They block Google and Twitter and Facebook too. It's extremely repressive with online content.
This PayPal thing is likely because the 4chan army wanted to bring these women down and coordinated a complaint flood to PayPal to get it removed. And PayPal buckled to the pressure unsure how to react.
PayPal has been doing this sort of thing for years. I had a very beneficial relationship with PayPal in the early 2000's using them for both personal activities and business activities.
When they launched their service to function as a website payment processor, I made use of that as well and it was fantastic.
Then ebay bought them and and they were no longer interested in providing service to anyone that they deemed to be undesirable.
Over the years since then, anyone doing business through them could wake up one day and find that they were the next company / interest / whatever that they decided they didn't like and the story was all the same: held funds, lifetime ban, no discussion, no debate, no recourse.
While it's unfortunate that this particular group of individuals have been targeted by a bunch of jerks, this is known behavior of PayPal as a company. The long and the short of it is that anyone doing business through PayPal is doing business on borrowed time from day one, and it's been that way for over a decade.