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Source: wsj.com ·
The Chinese city at the initial center of the pandemic said it had collected coronavirus swab tests from more than nine million over the past 10 days, an ambitious response to the re-emergence of a handful of fresh cases earlier this month.
John Lilic - @JohnLilic
4 months ago
RT @justin_hart: 9 million tests in 10 days = 218 asymptomatic carriers of the coronavirus, who were put under quarantine and monitored for symptoms. Just one of those cases was later recategorized as a confirmed case
If these #s are true... the virus prob just died out.
https://t.co/aOWsjhLsfV
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Chandra Duggirala MD - @csentropy
4 months ago
By this, what they mean is that they mixed samples of 10 or more people together to run one test, if it's positive, they would individually test the group.
9 million samples = 1 million tests?
100,000 per day is still no joke https://t.co/7A8uU4AXQQ
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grando_foo
4 months ago
不是说只有四百万结果已经出来么，而且准确率可能还不太准，看微博上有人抱怨输出病例比例都不止这么点，光重庆就输出了二十多例，有没有可能是混检降低了阳性率？
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Spinkcat
4 months ago
我认为后期疫情处理是可以的，应该庆幸的是没有大规模在国内爆发，全国集中医疗人力到一个地方，但基本上都是医疗系统给行政决策错误背锅，中国医生战斗力足够强，但没法干涉行政决定，这是最大问题。
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FreedomNeverFree
4 months ago
全世界的防疫物资都被你匪搜刮回了中国，全世界主要的防疫物资生产工厂都集中在中国，就这还叫唤医疗资源匮乏，那些没口罩没呼吸机的让人怎么活？
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kenji25
4 months ago
这次疫情我对武汉市的红十字只有15人编制说一次笑一次，难怪中国的红十字会一直闹笑话。
后续处理确实可以，但我还是认为前面为了春运不封城是今天局面的最大原因
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aVneckshirt
4 months ago
我觉得是在应对这方面更加显示出整个医疗制度的问题，虽然相对affordable却不分散。一旦发生疫情，这么大的城市难以应对。反正武汉初期的问题都是很值得去反思和改进的。但是防疫真的还可以了，严格的检测和隔离，后续医护人员感染几乎没有。我昨天还看到reddit有人说方航的轻症隔离是不人道的，就老美这样的想法，难怪不相信国内疫情好转。
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Order_____66
4 months ago
This is why China will become the dominant world superpower in the next 20 years.
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EthanHu98
4 months ago
I would like to add how China can improve its testing capacity. Several samples are test at the same time. If they are negative, all are negative. If they are positive, then every sample is tested respectively. The validity of this method was confirmed by a research (not a Chinese domestic research). The validity is quite guaranteed when less than 30 samples are put together. This campaign is the first to massively use this method in Covid-19 testing. By doing this, Wuhan can get about 10x capacity and its original capacity was about 50k-80k per day. With some other support from other part of China, this is not hard to be done.
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COVID19MurderHornet
4 months ago
I think it was Stanford who did the research and proved the 30 samples accuracy, and Wuhan did it with 10 samples for better accuracy.
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ultraformaggio
4 months ago
Chiamatemi stronzo, ma ho smesso di credere ai dati epidemiologici cinesi da un paio di mesi.
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alberg_30
4 months ago
I wonder if this was partly a public stunt to rectify the massive discrimination. When I left China a couple months ago, people from Hubei were total pariahs.
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uglyraed
4 months ago
I still think the virus needs to be studied further to develop better testing mechanism. It is already hard to tell the difference between asymptomatic and people that are only shedding dead viruses from their body.
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lzghome
4 months ago
Honestly, as a Chinese person who has been in Beijing since birth, I appreciate the objectivity of reddit
I read the WSJ's original message, and some say that China has learned from Korea (in fact it's Korea that references China to some extent), some say that the Chinese government can never be trusted, but in fact people in all countries are not stupid, and China's infectious disease expert Zhang Wenhong said that infectious diseases can't be contained.
Not everyone at reddit believes in China, but I have met people who are willing to believe. We live here, are born here, in fact we are exposed to more information, at least I personally think we have more of a say than
It's more realistic to hear what a few real Chinese people and long-time Chinese residents have to say than what the Western media has to say
At least I think so.
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magic27ball
4 months ago
There's a strong need in their propaganda to setup South Korea as an example of success since it's the only country in their ideological camp that's not FUBAR, which is ironic since it's China that produces all those tests, not Korea, and if they actually asked China for help instead of writing propaganda praising Korea they'd actually have the pandemic under control and not cause China to come out the biggest winner.
Not the first group in history to fall via hubris but still amazing to witness none the less.
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lzghome
4 months ago
I agree with you.
In fact, before South Korea they set the example of Singapore, but after the Singaporean labor camp raised its voice for mass infection, the Western media quickly abandoned him
In fact, South Korea's approach is so tough that it even includes electronic shackles for those who refuse to be segregated, and foreigners who do not comply with the mandatory 14-day segregation policy will be asked to forcibly leave the country and could face up to three years in prison or a fine of up to 20 million won.
And oddly enough, I don't see media like the Wall Street Times specifically reporting on South Korea's epidemic prevention measures, nor do I see any Western countries specifically learning about South Korea's epidemic F control policies.
Praising South Korea shouldn't be about proving how advanced its ideology is, but rather about learning from its experience in dealing with epidemics to protect its own people, shouldn't it?
It's times like these when life is what counts.
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_Dildo_Shwaggins
4 months ago
So does this mean trump is not number 1 in testing anymore? I wonder how he is going to take this L? Also it appears they are doing a mouth swab test? How accurate is that?
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HAmerberty
4 months ago
One of the important reasons Wuhan is doing this, is to give people confidence. Not only the US, China also suffered a lot economically during the pandemic. Even Wuhan is open now, many people are afraid to go out, so businesses are still struggling. People from Wuhan don't want to go shopping or dining out, people from other provinces are afraid to go to Wuhan. This result will find the last few carriers, and give people more confidence. Even it will cost a lot, the benefit is far more than its costs.
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alberg_30
4 months ago
People in other parts of China are also afraid of contact with Hubei residents. This might be an attempt to alleviate those fears.
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lzghome
4 months ago
Confidence comes from public health strategies, from testing and treating all
When everyone is tested and treated, confidence naturally comes back, doesn't it?
Americans facing a new crown epidemic can only remind me of The Governor and Deanna from The Walking Dead.
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allsurrender
4 months ago
It’s called coronavirus or covid-19 . New crown epidemic is some google translated name from 新冠right?
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mikegoto
4 months ago
well, the major reason is asymptomatic patient is still carrying the disease. We filtered around 200 people with no sysmptoms but tested positive in the past 10 days here in Wuhan.
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DoYouDigItNow
4 months ago
Is anyone else catching how much makeup work this has to be if they only have so few carriers?
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BenedictCrumpledick
4 months ago
Chinese brigading. Literally no rational person supports the CCP but they have shills to go around spreading lies.
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Peralta-J
4 months ago
Imagine thinking anyone should be more like a totalitarian hellhole where they're currently exterminating ethnic minorities en masse
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Rice_22
4 months ago
The US said there were "enormous evidence" that the virus came from Chinese lab. It proved to be bullshit. US said there were WMDs in Iraq, that babies were thrown out of incubators and left to die, that Saddam threw people into a woodchipper. All lies.
Hell, the US even tried to have a CIA asset do a AMA on reddit.
https://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/e9ad4n/i_am_rushan_abbas_uyghur_activist_and_survivor_of/fajnlev/
But hey, surely this time the US mouthpieces claiming "enormous evidence" of genocide in China must be true.
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Rice_22
4 months ago
What a useless comment. I'll use my reply to cite evidence for everything I said above instead:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/03/us/politics/coronavirus-pompeo-wuhan-china-lab.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein's_alleged_shredder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda#Atrocity_story
https://medium.com/@rsahthion/a-reddit-ama-claiming-to-be-a-uiyghur-quickly-exposes-a-cia-asset-slandering-china-1d667c098b77
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Born2Bbad
4 months ago
The comments in this sub are insane. Anything remotely anti ccp is down voted to hell and even the most ridiculous pro China BS is up voted.
Look at my post history in this comment thread today.
I posted that shit just to see what would happen. Reddit is broken
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T_Ceezy
4 months ago
I think anyone who supports freedom and individual liberties would be anti China.
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Peralta-J
4 months ago
This sub is full of Chinese shills and bots. No one plays the internet game quite as well as China.
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silentlore111
4 months ago
That's why the downvote seems to always be 2 fir a while. Boycott xi Jin poo and china
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rellicotton
4 months ago
And our President still claims to have done more tests than all the other countries put together because we have done about 12-13M tests in 3.5 months! Ridiculous state of affairs in our country that is nearing 100K deaths.
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slickyslickslick
4 months ago
"anyone who wants a test can get one"
no one will want a test if they cost $$$ or you have to wait hours in line for it, and it's not mandatory.
500 IQ play by Trump.
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BinaryTimeLord
4 months ago
A lot of people are saying that "Oh if China can do this so can the US testing 1 mil per day is easy" and the simple fact is no, it's not. China here is testing every human in Wuhan, America isn't they are busy tracking the outbreak, China took time to collect all these test kits to do them all at once and they only had this time because the outbreak is under control, the US can't say the same.
So it's wrong to just point at them doing this and say "US should be doing 2 mil a day no problem" because China isn't, they squeezed their capacity into a shorter time for PR.
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EdgyMathWhiz
4 months ago
I don't think it's PR: if you know exactly who has and has not got the virus, isolating the positive cases would (in a perfect world) eradicate the virus.
Even if you test everyone, the longer that takes, the more likely it is that there were people you tested as -ve but have since become carriers because they've since been infected by someone you hadn't tested yet. So squeezing your testing into as short a period of time as possible seems to make sense.
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thesillyoldgoat
4 months ago
It's PR, but for a different purpose than many people assume.
It isn't to impress the world or the WHO in preparation for the inquiry, it's to instill confidence in their own people so that they get out and about and start spending money again.
China's domestic economy is huge and consumer confidence has taken a massive hit, this testing blitz is about getting things moving again.
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GrauGeist8888
4 months ago
Correct. Wuhan has had most restrictions lifted, but people stayed home out of uncertainty. Now, they have more clarity, that there basically weren't any cases, and what few there were are now being handled. Massive internal confidence builder.
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Million2026
4 months ago
China is doing things right. If the whole world committed to doing this level of testing we could all go back to normal minus some travel restrictions.
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danielbot
4 months ago
Vietnam has been equally successful with a fraction of the testing. Vietnam used highly targeted testing, and in the early stages when they had almost no testing available they compensated with more aggressive isolation, including asymptomatic contacts.
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liupang
4 months ago
Almost all east asian countries are doing pretty well. I wonder whether it is the culture difference, or the EU/NA are facing a different mutated strain (thus more contagious) of virus?
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hal0t
4 months ago
You know the anti mask/covid hoax group in EU/NA? They will get slapped back into their mother's womb by the citizens, not even the government. We don't tolerate people who put their individual above the society. At least from my perspective as Vietnamese.
Not gonna work in the West due to individualism.
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Faggotitus
4 months ago
High humidity inhibits the spread of the virus because it causes the exhaled droplets to quickly grow in size and fall out of the air.
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danielbot
4 months ago
Ingrained culture of mask wearing is a huge part of it. And some idiots acting out about their freedom to harm public health would not be tolerated in those cultures, it's true. So yes, culture. Good planning. Respecting the danger. All working together to fight it. So again, culture.
There is no evidence that any strain of sars-covid-19 differs significantly in transmissibility or virulence.
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slickyslickslick
4 months ago
in Asian countries the vast majority will feel ashamed if they're not doing something everyone else has to do.
in the West but especially in the US tons of people think they will die if they conform to doing what others are doing.
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GrauGeist8888
4 months ago
They made a plan, coordinated for overflow testing, and rolled it out in a matter of days.
It cost them a couple Million USD, but it's money well spent to be able to show that Wuhan is basically COVID-free.
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BevInTheShell
4 months ago
I read somewhere that the estimated cost is around 2 billion RMB (\~300M USD)
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GrauGeist8888
4 months ago
$300M for 2M tests (5:1 pooling) would be $150 per test. Is that reasonable for bulk testing?
It seems high, when I see lower commercial prices that likely have profit built in, and lack bulk efficiency.
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BevInTheShell
4 months ago
I found out where I see it:
[https://www.chinatimes.net.cn/article/96706.html](https://www.chinatimes.net.cn/article/96706.html)
Based on the article, estimated cost per test (material and service) is around 200 RMB. The calculated 2 billion cost is based on an estimation of 10 million tests.
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GrauGeist8888
4 months ago
Ah, ok, thanks for clarifying. Because they are pooling, the actual cost should be lower.
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